Michael Douglas Says No To Roman Polanski - Woody Allen Says Yes
It figures that Woody Allen, the guy who married his daughter or adopted daughter or step daughter or whatever Soon Yi was when they started messing around, thinks that Roman Polanski is a great guy. "It's something that happened many years ago... he has suffered.... He has paid his due," Allen told French radio station RTL. He's an artist, he's a nice person, he did something wrong and he paid for it. They (his critics) are not happy unless he pays the rest of his life. They would be happy if they could execute him in a firing squad. Enough is enough."
This was after the new allegations made by Charlotte Lewis (above)on Friday who said Roman Polanski abused her every way imaginable when she was 16. Polanski's supporters are giving her an awful time for coming forward because she appeared in a movie of his 3 years after the alleged abuse. Why is that so hard to understand? She was 16 when it happened. You don't think something like that would mess you up when you are 16?
Meanwhile, the French seemed to think Michael Douglas would be happy to sign the famous petition to keep Roman Polanski from being extradited. They would be wrong. Michael refused to sign. Mr. Douglas you just got yourself a customer to go see Wall Street 2.
65 comments:
Not a MD fan, but kudos to him.
Way to go, Michael Douglas.
yes, because all victims of rape(the worst way possible,no less) go work for their accusers 3 years later.
i know you want to nail this guy enty,but that doesn't make any kind of sense.
16 yo may be naive,but they aren't stupid.i don't know anyone willing to work for a guy who allegedly raped and sodomized them while drugged.
Can't say I'm too surprised about Woody Allen.
Charlotte Lewis was a stunningly beautiful woman.
To see her now, at 42, unrecognisable as the girl from the "The Golden Child", her face tells the story of great unhappiness.
I read this on Drudge over the weekend, and my first thought was, "Of course Woody Allen supports Polanski. Of course."
It sounds like the petition isn't exactly going over very well at Cannes.
I bet most of the Hollywood folk don't want to get involved in this situation. Quite honestly, if I had a film premiering at Cannes, I would be pissed that this issue is overshadowing the artistic endeavours that are supposed to be the focus of the event. Actually, as a little old piano teacher in suburbia, this does piss me off.
and i'm not defending anything here but the truth.
it just seems very odd.
You've never heard of Stockholm Syndrome then?
I think Michael Douglas is a pretty good actor and would definitely go see a movie that he stars in. I don't know the real reason why he chose not to sign the petition but am glad that he didn't.
I can't stand this perv Allen. Doesn't surprise me he is supporting another perv.
I dislike WD so much that I don't even watch his movies.
Good for Michael Douglas. I wouldn't expect anything else from Woody Allen, he's part of the same club as Polanski. He still hasn't recovered from the whole "marrying my adopted daughter". Sick bastards.
Some people are weary of the new allegations that are coming out. I am not one for blaming victims in anyway but Charlotte Lewis's story is a little weird if only for the fact that she went to work for the person who assaulted her three years later.
Jax, I remember the same argument during the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill hearings. Hill followed Thomas from job to job, even though she testified he had been sexually harassing her at each stop.
Why didn't she quit? people asked. Why didn't she find another job, or was she just so eager to use Thomas that she put up with it to further her career?
Not agreeing or disagreeing - just saying the events remind me of each other. And Hill was a highly educated grown-up, not a teenage actress.
Oh, it's not weird she went to work for him at ALL. Grown men who prey on young teenaged women above all seek control of them.
Here's how they start: "Oh, you're so beautiful, you're really special. You're as smart as a grown woman. You're so special that I can treat you like a grown woman and tell you stuff I could never tell an ordinary teenager."
Then: "Since you are so special and we have such a special relationship, we can do this. This is how grownup people behave. I thought you were so grownup. I guess you are still a little baby. Oh, you're not? Then let's do . . . THIS.
Finally it becomes: "We did a really bad thing together; no one ever better find out. You'd better stay with me now because only I can help you, and I'll help you as long as I can help myself to you. If you leave me no one else will ever want you.
ETC.
PREDATORS FUCK WITH KIDS' HEADS!! The kid ends up believing that it's their fault, that they are bad and no one else would want them, and that the only way out is to stick with the abuser, so they do.
It takes a long, long, long time to work through a mindfuck of this size. I'm not surprised one bit.
And here starts the newest round of victim blaming. Apparently, Roman Polanski's first victim was not the right kind of victim because she had already had consensual sex with a same-age partner by the time Roman got around to raping/sodomizing/drugging her. Now, the second victim to come forward is not the right kind of victim either, because she took an acting job where he was the director.
I wonder what people will say when the third victim comes forward? How many victims do you people need to see before you are convinced that this man is a public health risk? And if you don't think he is guilty of rape, do you feel safe leaving him alone with your teenaged daughter? If not, should he really be free to walk the streets?
Butterfly
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Thank you, Jenny. Your post says everything I wanted to say & more.
Charlotte has made herself very clear on why she gave in to his advances.
She was a 16 year old trying to make it in show business.
She and her mother were living in council housing (the english equivalent of the projects), and for this film she was being paid £1,200 per month - a life changing sum for her family.
It's really not hard to understand why she would continue to work with him afterwards, it's a very common defence mechanism.
Feelings of overwhelming shame and disgust are so destructive, that an individual that has been traumatised will devalue the traumatic situation, or deny that anything wrong occurred at all, in order to be able to cope with the experience and live with him/herself.
When she made the choice to give in to him, because he told her it was something she had to do and she thought it would be worth it in the long run, it must have damaged her self-image and self-esteem profoundly.
Now she knows it wasn't worth it, and she doesn't have to pretend any more, and she has the chance to let it all out and hopefully help his victims get some measure of belated justice.
I say more power to her. Secrets rot the soul.
The other day I was browsing Youtube and came across this video of The Word from 1994. It's her (next to Snoop Dogg) being interviewed, and all she talks about is how she is a financially and emotionally independent woman who does not depend on sleeping with men to get ahead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMEqaZSAe8M
Freud would have a field day with this...
I suppose Lewis' delay in coming forward could raise eyebrows, but who are we to judge? Victims of sexual assault behave in varied ways. There's no right or wrong way to react to the abuse. She may have been blaming herself for a long, long time.
I suppose it is possible that she's not telling the truth, but to me it seems a greater possibility that Polanski had way more than 1 victim. Seriously, do you really think he only took advantage of 1 underage girl in his day?
No-one's surpised that sick pedophile Woody Allen would support another sick bas%ard ! Way to go, Michael !
She was only 19 years old three years after the rape. He still could have had control over her, and pushed her into being in the film. Maybe she thought she would never work again if she didn't.
these sick pedos should really start a club. bastards.
and go michael douglas...how refreshing!
Glad someone told them no. Good for you MD. Woody gave an interview about why he never stars in movies anymore. It's because he thinks he is too old to get the girl. No kidding Woody. You are older than dirt.
Woody has two daughters with Soon Yi. Isn't it time for him to move on from her??????????????
Sometimes it takes years (or a lifetime) for a VICTIM to even admit to themselves that they were abused. Until that day arrives the VICTIM (who is in denial) will continue to allow the abuser to control his/her life.
Even if they leave one abuser if the VICTIM doesn't acknowledge the abuse they will become the next abuser's VICTIM.
Here is her full account of the what happened (as published by The Daily Mail), if there's anyone here who has not read it.
It provides a horrific insight into this man's modus operandi, and there is nothing about it that doesn't ring true - including her earlier attempts to explain the events as an "affair", and that she was the one who had "wanted" him.
I won't apologise for the long post. If doubt is being cast on someone's claims, the least one can do is know what exactly those claims are, before dismissing them.
"Charlotte had only just turned 16 when she first encountered Polanski.
She had left school at 15 and by her own admission thought she was ‘pretty grown-up and street smart’ at the time.
Looking back, she recognises that, though she may have been precocious and ambitious, she was anything but.
She had no acting experience but knew that she wanted her future to lie in film.
She modelled a bit while she searched for her big chance and, in 1983, she got it when a mutual acquaintance, 23-year-old model Eliza Karen, asked her to come with her to Paris to audition for a role in Polanski’s film Pirates.
Polanski had fled to the French capital five years earlier to escape the American courts over the Geimer case.
Charlotte recalls: ‘We had come over to Paris on the boat with not much money so that I could meet Roman. I was with Eliza, a friend of his. She was also a model and a couple of years older than me.
She had put me up for a part in Roman’s new film. Apparently he wanted someone exotic-looking and because of my Hispanic look he wanted to see me.
I didn’t know at the time, but I later found out that they had already found a French actress to play the role so I don’t know why he still wanted to see me.
‘We had checked into a hotel which was pretty central and very reasonable but when we told Roman where we were staying he said the hotel was not good enough and invited us to stay in his spare penthouse on the Avenue Montaigne, which seemed like a great offer.’
That night the girls went straight to Roman’s house for pre-dinner drinks. The first thing Polanski did on seeing Charlotte was to frame her face with his hands, as if shooting her through a camera.
She felt uncomfortable, she now admits, but given the purpose of their meeting this in itself could hardly be described as odd.
She says: ‘The very first thing he asked me was, “How old are you?” I told him I was 16, but only just. This was in September and I had turned 16 that August.’
After dinner Polanski checked the girls out of the hotel room that he had dismissed as substandard and took them back to his apartment. While her friend retired to a neighbouring flat, Charlotte stayed chatting with the director on the sofa in his living room.
‘We were drinking Moet and Chandon, I’ll never forget that, and I still can’t drink that champagne to this day.
He told me he wanted me to stay the night with him and then he made a pass at me. He tried to kiss me and touch my breasts.
I pulled away and told him that I had a boyfriend, which wasn’t true. It was an excuse, but he didn’t care.
‘He just said very coldly, “If you’re not a big enough girl to have sex with me, you’re not big enough to do the screen test.
I must sleep with every actress that I work with, that’s how I get to know them, how I mould them.”
‘I was shocked and got very upset and started to cry. I said I didn’t want to sleep with him, he was 50 and I found him disgusting.’
But as she recalls this today, Charlotte admits that she felt conflicted. ‘I saw this opportunity slipping away,’ she says softly.
‘My mother who had been working as a legal secretary had just been made redundant and although I was doing a lot of modelling I didn’t have a lot of money.
I saw this film as my chance to make it. All these things were going through my head and I was getting more and more upset.
I told him I didn’t want to sleep with him and I left.
‘I went to the other flat to see my friend and tell her what had happened.’
Charlotte says that, in her naivety and confusion, she became concerned that she was letting a professional opportunity of a lifetime pass her by, so returned to the director’s apartment.
‘Roman opened the door and led me to the bedroom,’ she recalls.
"Charlotte says that the following morning, Polanski invited her and Eliza to join him for breakfast in his living room, and she accepted.
She says now: ‘All I remember was wanting a bath. I needed to clean myself and I went to get fresh clothes.
‘After breakfast he wanted to show us the Mona Lisa so he took us to the Louvre and some other museums in the centre.
We had lunch, then I went back with him to his apartment to collect my things as I was flying back to London that afternoon. I don’t know where Eliza was, I can’t remember.’
She claims that a further incident took place before she left for home."
"Some might find it difficult to square her allegations of an ordeal that she claims was terrifying with her decision to return to Paris two weeks later for the Pirates screen test.
But she did return and she got the part that would launch her career.
‘I never told my mother what had happened,’ she said.
‘I was just too ashamed.
I needed to do this movie, the money was good – I was being paid £1,200 a month.
My mother and I were living in housing association accommodation and this was a life-changing amount of money.’
Charlotte’s Irish mother raised her alone and the actress never knew the Iraqi-Chilean father to whom she owes her looks.
Speaking in a promotional interview for the film in 1986, Polanski himself said of Charlotte: ‘She had what I needed for the film. Dark hair, dark eyes – and the look of innocence.’
Back then Charlotte spoke of the experience of filming as a ‘nightmare’.
‘Polanski tried to dominate me right from the start,’ she said.
‘He swore at me and shouted at me. There was such pressure on me that I became a nervous wreck.’
Today Charlotte recalls: ‘The mental abuse started as soon as I started filming.
I always felt that as soon as I started the movie he wanted to fire me.
‘I developed a serious eating disorder.
He would play mind games with me and tell me I was too fat and then too thin.
I developed bulimia and lost so much weight I passed out five times during filming.
I had turned 17 and Roman had been told by the producer Tarak Ben Ammar and MGM to stay away from me.
I was very alone. They wouldn’t allow me to have an agent.
Roman continued to emotionally bully me and would joke to other people onset that I was frigid.
‘I remember he made a bet once with a very famous American male actor that there was no way he could get me into bed because I was so cold and frigid.
The producer flew my mother out to Tunisia [where Pirates was filmed] and I remember her hating Polanski. She said he had dead eyes.’"
But though little has changed in how she remembers the miserable process of filming itself, her version of what happened between her and Polanski on a physical level has altered with the years.
In 1986 Charlotte claimed: ‘I found him very attractive, I’d love to have had a romantic relationship with him – and a physical one.
You can’t help falling in love with him. But he didn’t want me that way.’
Though it is worth noting that at the time she was speaking she was still working for Polanski and, it could be argued, in thrall of him.
Today she says: ‘There was nothing about him I could have found physically attractive.
He was short and stout and very strong.’
In another interview in 1999 Charlotte went on to claim that she did have a relationship with Polanski. But that it started after she had been cast in the film and when she was 17.
‘I wanted him probably more than he wanted me,’ she said then, claiming that they were lovers for six months in an affair that ended only when they began filming Pirates in Tunisia.
She claimed afterwards that she’d been misquoted.
Ultimately this case must come down to one person’s word against another’s.
Charlotte did not keep in touch with Eliza, the one person who could corroborate her account and, despite The Mail on Sunday’s strenuous attempts, we have been unable to trace her.
What is clear is that what Charlotte had hoped would be the start of a great Hollywood dream, instead set her on a path that led ultimately to addiction and despair.
Following her appearance in Pirates, Charlotte was hailed the new Nastassja Kinski – a former protege of Polanski who is said to have started an affair with him at the age of 15.
Charlotte split her time between the UK – where she had a long-running role in Grange Hill – and Hollywood, where she starred opposite Eddie Murphy in The Golden Child in 1986.
She eventually moved to America and was swiftly linked with a string of eligible A-listers and hell-raisers, including Charlie Sheen and Mickey Rourke.
Professionally her star was on the rise but personally she was in serious trouble.
‘Living in Los Angeles is like being at one long party,’ she later admitted. ‘It’s difficult to get away from it. I got to the stage where I was wondering, “What is the point of living here?” All I have is temptation.’
But she never lived up to her early film promise and in 1997, 14 years after she met Polanski, Charlotte returned to Britain and checked into the Priory to be treated for cocaine addiction.
She had tried to give it up twice already, she said, but only ever in a ‘half-hearted’ way.
She tried to resurrect her career but whatever attraction Hollywood had held seemed to have gone.
Eight years ago she quit acting for good and today she says her only ambition is to be a good mother to her five-year-old son, Miles, with whom she lives in a flat in Hampstead, North London.
‘We have a normal life,’ Charlotte says, a flicker of pride in her voice.
‘We wake up, watch cartoons, shower and I take him to school.
'I am happy but it’s true to say I have never been able to have a normal relationship with a man.
I have spoken to my vicar and my GP about this and I am now having counselling.’
Charlotte has many reasons for speaking out now but money is not one of them and she has not been paid for this interview.
Instead, she insists, her abiding desire is simply to tell the truth that she has concealed for so long.
Last summer she made two trips to Paris and tried to contact Polanski.
She says: ‘I wanted to see him. I wanted him to apologise. But he was away making a movie.
‘I’d heard that Polanski’s daughter had turned 16 and if I could ask him one question it would be, “How would you feel if this was your daughter?”
‘I will never forgive Polanski,’ Charlotte says as tears threaten to fall.
‘I’ll never know if my life would have been different had this not happened.
There needs to be some justice. I’m telling the truth and Roman knows I’m telling the truth.’
Yay for Michael--I have always had mixed feelings about him (i.e., his womanizing), but I do respect him as a performer. I'm glad there are some in H-wood that are taking a stand against this guy. Polanski is probably a great director (I've seen very few of his films), but this thing that happened 30 some years ago is just . . . well, really icky.
I believe her.
Thanks Shmooey and no your post is not too long.
Finally Michael Douglas does something we can respect him for.
I agree with Jenny and Butterfly. I don't think it's strange that she continued working for him, he had power over her, and often the victim of a sexual crime is led to believe it's all their fault. And often they will have had some feelings for their molester - although not THAT SORT of feelings. I also don't think it's odd that it took her 30 years to tell it. I didn't learn about my child's molestation for 20 years. They repress it out of guilt and shame. Guilt because it has to be their fault, and shame because no matter how your brain feels about what someone is doing to you, your body responds.
Roman Polanski is a piece of crap. I don't care how brilliant he is supposed to be, or how nice. He ruined his victims' lives, as much as if he'd murdered them. His punishment will never be enough.
I guess I will have to forgive Michael Douglas for that HJ incident.
she also had a father she never met which left her even more vulnerable to an older man's manipulation.
Back to Woody Allen for a sec: I'm not saying what he did with Soon-Yi was appropriate, but she was 22, so to call him a pedophile is inaccurate. He also never lived in the apartment Mia and the kids lived in and all agreed he was never a "father figure." I know Mia said he molested their young adopted daughter, but that allegation was never proven and could have been one of those custody battle allegations to keep him from getting any custody rights with the kids. (A moot point it turned out, 'cause neither his biological son or the adopted daughter want to have anything to do with him.) Also, I saw that documentary of him playing his clarinet in Europe, and I'm not at all convinced that he initiated the relationship with Soon-Yi. She's a Dragon Lady. But, agreed, as an adult man, he handled the whole thing poorly.
HOWEVER, poor old Roman Polanski wouldn't be in this pickle if he'd faced the music oh so many years ago and just gone to jail like he should have. Then he'd be able to flit from Europe to US whenever he wanted to. I hate that him being a so-called film-making genius is supposed to give him an automatic pass. I hate that.
Thanks Shmooey.
I remember an interview she did a few years ago, after she quit Hollywood and got herself cleaned up. She alluded to something or someone and at the time, and as I only knew her from The Golden Child and had hoped Eddie Murphy wasn't the one who had screwed this girl up.
I believe she's being truthful. And I believe this guy is a predator. Nastassja Kinski probably won’t ever come forward, but the fact that he started a relationship with her at 15, Charlotte at 16, his current wife at 17, speaks volumes.
listen, woody allen is a creep. what real man would want to date, then marry, the woman your ex-wife raised as her DAUGHTER. plenty of other fish in the sea.
Sounds like jax has never known anyone in an abusive relationship.
Thanks for the post Shmooey. I didn't know her side of the story.
The three year gap makes sense to me. The first incident took place at 16 when she was "auditioned," and by the time filming got underway (working in Hollywood, I know pre-production can last months, sometimes years), and the movie came out... three years could've easily passed. I hope she's enjoying her life now with her son and getting the help she seems interested in receiving.
Is anyone surprised @ Allen? He's apart of the Hollywood Pedo crew, they always defend their own. Although he should be the last guy popping his gums on the subject.
I'm sure there are more victims, Polanski is SICK.
Finally, Douglas did something right.
Can't believe that a RAPIST and MOLESTER has supporters. What kind of world do we live in?
Does anyone REALLY believe that Woody's interest in Soon-Yi began as soon as she turned "legal"?
He's defending a PEDOPHILE, ask yourself that question again.
I really, really hate that I'm defending Woody Allen, because it wasn't right what he did. However, I do not believe he had a relationship with Soon-Yi prior to her being an adult. So I don't think he's a pedophile, he's just a really, really creepy old man. And there's a lot of movie people defending Polanski who are not pedophiles, this site's favorite, Johnny Depp, among them.
OH, and I have to say that I'm totally not defending Polanski either, or those that defend him. He's the worst kind of pedophile, one who doesn't think he did anything wrong. Well, if there could be a worst. I don't guess there are degrees to pedophilia. It's all wrong.
I have to say that I agree -- I doubt very much that Allen's interest in Soon-Yi began later than has been described. In other words, I seem to recall very public media hints that he had begun flirting with her at age fourteen.
So Woody Allen just hung around as Soon-Yi's mum's long-term boyfriend, and the father of her siblings, but only actually put his dick in her when she was 22? My goodness! That totally explains the situation and makes it non-paedophilic. I'm sure all her siblings are completely comfortable with that. 'Mazemerizing' (?), the line you are trying to draw between 'paedophilic' and 'really, really creepy old man' is insane. I mean, really, why would you bother? And your comment "as an adult man, he handled the whole thing poorly" is definitely in the running for Understatement Of The Year. What about saying "as an adult man, he should have avoided putting his dick in the adoptive daughter of his girlfriend, who was also the adoptive sister of his children"? This hair-splitting is embarrassing to you, and very revealing of what you consider decent morality to everyone who's reading it.
Jax always seems to take the man's side in any situation involving a woman so her attitude is utterly predictable.
And yes, absolute kudos to Michael Douglas.
Good for Mr. Douglas. He has scruples afterall.
Even though I, too, had no desire to see Wall Street 2, I will now since he didn't sign that ridiculous petition.
[Sounds like jax has never known anyone in an abusive relationship.]
[Jax always seems to take the man's side in any situation involving a woman so her attitude is utterly predictable.]
Here's one more: Jax's posts are really written by a five yr old. Or so we hope!
He offered her the role as hush money and possibly penance for his deeds. It happens all the time, but nowadays there are legal agreements to keep this quiet.
It's not shocking at all and doesn't raise any questions by normal people not living in the cesspool known as Hollywood.
@lollydarling. Yikes. I think we're gonna have to disagree about that one. I'm just not gonna jump to the conclusion that Allen's a pedophile, or paedophile if you prefer, just because you say so, or Jenny remembers media hints that said he is. Unless or until Soon-Yi writes a memoir specifically saying he behaved inappropriately and/or sexually molested her when she was a teenager, we won't know for sure.
But Roman Polanski is an open and shut case. So, sorry to have digressed and gone off on the Woody Allen tangent. My comments usually don't inspire such controversy.
And I love Jax.
The Cannes Film Festival was going to highlight the plight of an Iranian director named Panahi who is in jail in Iran. When Bernard Henri Levy set up the Roman Polanski petition, he highjacked that. It was deliberate. Levy, a French philosopher who is well known in France, is skilful at getting media attention.
When the media asked director Tim Burton, head of the Palme d’Or jury, what he thought about Panahi and Polanski’s situation (both incarcerated, though not with the same degree of comfort), Burton didn’t take the bait. He said he was in favour of freedom of expression.
Then Levy, in a videod French interview, attacked Burton:
" Eh bien c'est un immense cinéaste et c'est un caractère médiocre. Qu'est-ce que vous voulez que je vous dise ! Quand on est président du Festival de Cannes, quand on a cette occasion de dire à un camarade, à quelqu'un que l'on connaît, par ailleurs, dont on sait très bien qu'il n'est pas un pédophile, quand on a l'occasion de lui dire son soutien et qu'on se contente de dire parce que c'est ça qu'il a dit : "Je suis pour la liberté d'expression" "
Roughly translated it means:
<<Well, he’s a great film maker and a mediocre person. What do you want me to tell you! When you're president of the Cannes Festival, when you have an opportunity to tell a fellow, someone that one knows, moreover, that one knows very well is not a pedophile, when one has the opportunity to give him your support and that one is who we support ... because that's what he said: "I am for freedom of expression"
If the documents on the Smoking Gun are copies of the genuine court documents, then Polanski admitted under oath that:
* he had sex with a 13 year old girl
* the judge had made no decision about sentencing at that point when Polanski was pleading guilty, and
* if the court later did not accept the plea deal, Polanski could withdraw his guilty plea.
When Polanski thought that the judge would not accept the plea deal, Polanski chose to flee from the US instead of withdrawing his guilty plea and going to trial.
Lines 17-19: Polanski agrees he had sex with a female person under the age of 18 who is not his wife
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0928091polanskiplea6.html
Line 18: Polanski believed she was 13 year old
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0928091polanskiplea10.html
Lines 4-10: the court hasn’t made any decision as to what sentence Polanski will receive
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0928091polanskiplea8.html
Lines 1-7: Polanski agrees that no one has made him any promises “such as a lesser sentence or probation” to get him to plead guilty
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0928091polanskiplea11.html
Lines 1-6: the plea deal is not binding on the court and the court can withdraw its approval, and if that occurs, Polanski is permitted to withdraw his plea
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0928091polanskiplea12.html
There was awful testimony in the Woody Allen custody case involving his very young daughter which I won't go into here. Very nasty stuff, testified to - as I remember - by their son as well. I simply don't believe that a very loving mother who by all accounts is doing a very good job of raising all those kids would make that up, get her son to lie too, and put it on record if it weren't true. Farrow has been dignified about this entire horrible situation and not constantly sought publicity; she doesn't at all fit the profile of someone who would accuse her ex of something so horrendous if it weren't true (particularly as his conduct with her adopted daughter already speaks volumes as to his character).
And anyone who 'loves' Jax certainly can be assumed to share her general misogyny.
I've seen mothers lie about all manner of things, lolly.
That said, Woody Allen definitely committed emotional if not literal incest. There's no way Allen's "interest" in his stepdaughter happened, presto change-o, when she turned 18. He's not a pedophile, btw, he's an ephebophile, meaning he seems to be drawn to 15-16 year olds.
Polanski seems to be a hebephile AND an ephebophile. He's also a sex criminal and needs to be caged like the animal he is.
You guys are way off-base. The reason for Jax's strong opinion about this case is that she believes the wishes of the victim should take precedence even over justice in this case. I happen to not agree with her opinion, but it is certainly not a misogynistic one.
^^^shut up. yes, i am being rude.
I LOVE Michael Douglas. THe girl was 19 and thought her career was over if she didn't. Wouldn't be the first time a rape victim has talked to the attacker after, but only when the rape victim is known to thmem.
Fuck Polanski and Fuck Allen. That's all I really wanted to say.
i am NOT defending allen, and polanski should be strung up by the balls.
but mia farrow has never been the outstanding contender for what good mental hostess of the year.
in other words, she's got the crazy going on, too, and did even before she hooked up with allen.
jax i WILL defend. because of what mooshki said. and also, lolly, because we're here to talk smack about celebs, not each other. most of us consider ourselves more intelligent than that.
I totally agree, bionic bunny.
Lolly, despite what Mia said or what the kids "witnessed" the judge did deny Allen custody and showed no love for Allen or his parenting skills. However, Allen was cleared of any molestation charges. Molestation charges against spouses happen all the time in divorce/custody cases. I'm not going to defend Woody sleeping with the adult daughter of his girlfriend, really, but that still doesn't make him a pedophile, nor does having an ex-girlfriend accuse him of it when they're battling over custody of the kids.
I do not agree with his statement supporting Polanski's release. He was probably not the best person to come to Polanski's defense, as is obvious by the maelstrom created, especially on this site.
And I see you have strong feelings about this subject, you've done a lot of research to prove your point, but as said before, let's agree not to agree on this and move on. And, really, Jax is a misogynist and I'm one because I like to read her posts? A far stretch on both accounts.
Please, just don't say "The French seemed to think..." I'm french and I can't wait for R.Polanski to be sent back to face his judge !! Believe me, lots of people here are disgusted to see some "famous" people and even a government minister take Polanski's defense. I totally agree and respect M.Douglas position on the subject and I'm of course not surprised to see W.Allen take Polanski's defense when he has himself married his own "adopted" daughter...Sick world !
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