Saturday, October 27, 2012

Blind Items Revealed


January 2, 2008

#1 Lots of fights during the holidays among family members. Fights during the holidays are not the exclusive domain of Tyra Banks staffers. Well during one family fight outside the restroom of a bar, a female singer who does some acting from time to time, got her wig pulled straight off her head. She's bald. Completely, without a hair on her head bald. I so wish there were a picture. It would be the most popular photo ever.

#2 I guess she is an actress. I am trying to think of something she has been in recently, but can't. Now she is known more for just making headlines. She made a recent one, and could make another if anyone ever finds out that she took a guy she met one hour earlier into the restroom at a party she was hosting and f**ked him on the couch there. I wish men's restrooms had couches, but we would probably just lay on them and wait for our dates to leave and wish we had a remote control.

#1 - Whitney Houston
#2 - Tara Reid

132 comments:

EmEyeKay said...

Didn't we know Whit was bald? I think so.

No surprises here!

Sugar said...

What does the reference to Tyra Bank's staffers mean. Don't remember there being a kerfluffle.

bobbi_1025 said...

OT- I have a question for you guys. So, I'm staying at my grandparents helping out due to grandfather being bedridden and things like that. They have a dog. I'm sure you can guess where this is going. He just but my son on the hand and 2 fingers are cut. That part is ok and all, what I want to know is what should I say about the dog? When he bit him, mema just said oh he's a bad boy and that's it. I know my son had fault in it and he got a talking to, but this dog is crazy. You walk by and he growls or barks. He will chase the kids snarling and barking and when they close the door he attacks the door. I don't know what I can do and not piss grandma off but I can't do nothing.

katsm0711 said...

Is it easier for black women (bc of the hair type) to be completely bald or to grow a little hair so a weave can be sewn in?

MM said...

The Tyra Banks mention was about the time she gave her staff McDonalds food for their holiday party.

http://www.celebitchy.com/8325/tyra_banks_really_did_serve_mcdonalds_at_staff_christmas_party/

Del Riser said...

@bobbi, holy crap, that's scary. Make sure you wash the cuts with lots of soap and warm water and hydrogen peroxide.
Can the dog stay in the room with your grandfather? This dog is not going to change in any meaningful way in a few days. Your grandmother has to be told to make the dog mind or you may have to leave for the safety of your kids.
Your kids need to be respectful of the dog and not try to engage it in any way.
The kids should not run around the dog, dogs chase whatever runs.
Your best bet at this point is to get grandmother to curtail the dog, and to keep your kids as far away from it as possible.
Good luck.

Sugar said...

Thanks, MM. McDonalds at a Christmas party??? I mean holiday party, scuse me. How gauche!

Gtzisshe said...

@Bobbi, lock that dog away. being that aggressive just spells trouble. Either you be uncomfortable when the dog does some serious harm or you can be uncomfortable telling her to please have the dog somewhere else when you are around with the kids.
Be compassionate but firm. Dog bites hurt and can cause some serious infection.

Lola said...

Since behavior training isn't going to solve your problem immediately, personally, I'd muzzle the dog. Even if you put him in a room, you run the risk of him getting loose; there is also the real possibility that he will bark continuously. Muzzles sold today are very humane, they allow a dog to drink, pant, whatever while making the dog safe for your kids to be around. (the cage type are slightly better but the mesh type are readily available at pet stores like Petsmart and Petco)

Rickatoo said...

Dear Abby,

What used to be my favorite celeb blog keeps getting thrown off on ridiculous tangents. What to do?

Signed,
Frustrated Follower

Rickatoo said...
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Gtzisshe said...

Dear frustrated follower,

I have rxd you one pill of ”get over it.” Please take it and call me in the morning.

Hollyweird said...

@bobbi Obviously doggie is not socialized with children but you are now is his home and he is feeling defensive and territorial. As others have stated you need to keep them separated but you should also make sure your child doesn't make eye contact with the dog, or make any sudden movements around the dog. If your son approaches the dog he must be extremely non threatening. A lot of times dogs exhibit aggression because of fear and attack because they feel threatened. Hope your son is OK.

Lola said...

Bobbi...also, if he's a short nosed dog (and you chose to go the muzzle route) you may end up needing an Elizabethan collar (or, as we call it, the "Cone of Shame") to keep him from pawing it off.

DewieTheBear said...

The Whitney one is sad - at least, the disappointment over not having a picture of it. Maybe she had alopecia, or dermatillomania, or it just fell out due to stress. Whatever caused it, I wouldn't have taken any delight in seeing Whitney bald.

TheBarberLady said...

Is there a room the dog can have to himself while you visit? The best solution is to simply keep them separated because the dog won't stop especially if Mom doesn't discipline. If you can't lock the dog in a seperate room while you visit then try to leave the kids elsewhere. Some dogs just don't like kids and that can be dangerous for your little ones. Dogs are not known for their self control. I hope this was helpful and just so you know I have 3 dogs and breed Akitas....and I have 4 kids.

TheBarberLady said...

Are you joking? Clearly you think there is only 1 hair type for black women. Wrong. And apparently our only options are baldness (you know...because of the texture) or weave. You know, because of the texture!!! I won't even get into how ignorant and stupid you sound but hey, FUCK YOU anyway. Go out and meet some people because currently, you're pathetic.

katsm0711 said...

Wow sorry I meant the ones who don't show their natural hair. That's all. A woman was just showing me how she clips her weave in and I was shocked when she showed me her real hair underneath was very short. I just wondered if Whitney was bald on purpose since we never saw her bald, that made it easier to attach something. That's all.

not on my dollar said...

@TheBarberLady, so I'm not that only person pissed off by that comment. Thank you,

Signed by a former frequent commenter until the anti-African American, racists etc. reared their ugly heads on this board.

Zeeky_Boogy_Doog said...

Doggie is probably not used to new people being around. You have to show him you're not a threat.

One thing that works for any bad behavior is to ignore the dog. It can be happy excitement or threat excitement, If he jumps on you, barks at you, stuff like that, turn your back to the dog. You're way less of a threat, not exciting that way.

Second part is to reward when he quits being bad. He snarls at you, you turn around, he stops, you toss him a treat. Just a piece of dog food or a little scrap is enough, you don't wanna give him big pieces because you'll overfeed him.

If you aren't able to get near the dog without the snarling, etc., skip directly to the treat. Some people have little treat bags outside the front door for when guests come by. They open the door when you knock, guest tosses the dog a treat, dog realizes "guests mean treats!" The same works if you're walking into a room where the dog is, have treats in your pocket or something.

This is for Grandma to do if she'll go along with it: When the dog starts to act up, she should immediately remove the dog from the room. Grandma should put him in another room, close the door, and rejoin you guys (she doesn't stay with him.) No words, no "Bad dog!", just he snarls, he's gone. When he calms down a couple minutes later, she lets him rejoin. This works because doggie thinks he's protecting Grandma, and her actions confirm it. This also works when walking a dog that acts up. He barks at the mailman while on a walk, turn around and walk the other direction. Silently, just change direction like marching soldiers.

Me said...

Personally, I would take my child to the MD (yes, some would say over reacting). Has your child had a tetanus booster recently?

Zeeky_Boogy_Doog said...

^Crap, my post there was long. Well, hope I didn't kill anyone's bandwidth, LOL. Off-topic posts don't bug me here because there's no general forum. If people wanna have conversations on-site, it's here or nowhere.

Back to the Reveal - I would never have guessed Whitney. Dolly Parton came to mind because she always wears wigs. It may have been alopecia in Whitney's case, although I think she had eyebrows. Wasn't there a princess a few years ago that has it, maybe Grace Kelly's daughter?

Gtzisshe said...

I honestly think katsmom was asking a legit question. I could be wrong. Instead of politely explaining, you go into a fit and call her ignorant. Well, in order to tame ignorance you have to educate. You didn't educate, you berated and sulked.

Lola said...

Please see my comment on Wednesdays "Your Turn" (or maybe Thursdays)

"OMG! I KNOW you meant to offend me!!! I knew it!!!

You know, sometimes people have questions out of legitimate curiosity...because they don't know (and will never know if they don't ask); not because they're racist.

Here's another clue, someone who is not black is unlikely to know the ins and outs of caring for black hair (which is obviously quite different in texture and care requirements than 99% of white people's hair, not racist to state--it's fact). I remember someone on here (who was black) explaining that Tyra Banks' forehead was s far back likely due to breakage from weaves. How in the hell would I have known that, other than someone telling me?

My final comment would be that since we are such obviously racist fucks, why in the hell do you even visit this board?

abby said...

I can't even imagine a more inappropriate place to post a medical question - seriously, you can't post on Yahoo answers, Web MD, or better yet just call a free nurse hotline to speak to someone who's actually qualified to answer such a question?!????

Lola said...
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Gtzisshe said...

Lord, so many people bitching.
Must be leaking... ;)

Now i'm waiting for a feminist rant...

Lola said...

I'm confused...who asked a medical question?

Gtzisshe said...

Thank you Lola. Exactly.

Serenity_Now said...

As so many others have said, this site used to be so fun. Now it's just people bitching at each other right and left. I agree, I have heard some ignorant and racist comments here. However, I don't think kats' comment came across as racist at all. And even if it was unintentionally offensive out of sheer ignorance, how does that justify being intentionally and overtly offensive in response? People like to complain about this site going downhill from ads, Himmmm and the various Enty-related conspiracy theories. But the real problem I see is a group of people who can't seem to conduct themselves and converse with tolerance, diplomacy and maturity. I know some of the subjects are sensitive, but--particularly on the internet, where we lack contextual clues about people's real intentions--I think it's important to give people the benefit of the doubt and discuss things calmly before jumping down someone's throat. It certainly would make things more pleasant around here.

Lola said...

@Serenity now...word.

(Although I guess I just bitched about bitching, lol)

I don't mind the off topic; I just skip it if it doesn't interest me (sometimes I think it would be nice if enty instituted an "open post" type forum like dlisted). However, I just want to SCREAM sometimes about everyone getting SO frickin' offended all of the time about things that either weren't directed at them (but they chose to take personally), or aren't even offensive (unless your offense meter is set obnoxiously low).

Sometimes it makes me lose it...

DewieTheBear said...

@Zeeky - I had alopecia when I was young, not all over but enough to ridiculed on the playground. Nothing happened to my eyebrows, and I recovered.

That's probably why the "I so wish there were a photo" comment pisses me off. All of her problems notwithstanding, I could never ridicule Whitney over that.

auntliddy said...

I wld imagine balding in show business is very common because of the constant lights, dying, curling, straightening. Black or white. Prob very hard to hv healthy head if hair.

bobbi_1025 said...

Thanks everyone for the advice I'm def going to look into the suggestions. We have moved in here with the grands so somebody can be here constantly Di I know something has to be done withouth stressing out grandma. We are trying to get gramps into a home after the 3rd 911 call this week and he can't control his bodily functions anymore. Not to mention he is over 40lb so it's been really stressful on her an I didn't want to upset her anymore than she is. That's why I posted here and I'm sorry if that annoys some of the readers but I don't really have friends I can ask what to do so I revert to here since its the only blog I really follow and comment on.

Thanks again to those who gave suggestions.

MadLyb said...

Given the rampant racism in this country, and it is only getting worse since President Obama was elected, I completely understand why people of color would be offended and disgusted by a question that really is a no-brainer. The shit people of color have to put up with because people don't even TRY.

MadLyb said...

Oh - and there is NOTHING wrong with feminism, and if you can't handle a tiny drop of a feminist "rant" within the ocean of rape culture, then you, my friend, have some insecurity issues.

Gtzisshe said...

This post deserves one huge eye roll.

Gtzisshe said...

I didn't say there was anything wrong with feminism my friend.
I was just waiting for it.

MadLyb said...

Don't mind me, I have a bug up my ass right now, and unfortunately, should have backed the hell away from my keyboard several minutes ago.

Gtzisshe said...

Totally understand. You are in a very emotional, stressful situation. I see nothing wrong with posting off topic questions. They can ignore it and vice versa.

Lola said...

So someone WITHOUT black hair is an idiot because they don't know anything about how black hair is cared for?

And because Obama is president and some factions of the right wing are up in arms because we have a BLACK (!) president, asking a question about black hair is now racist? Holy fuck, that is convoluted thinking.

Huge eye roll indeed.

Gtzisshe said...

Eh, opinionated people on one board. It happens. No hard feelings.

ButterKwup said...

All of you suck. katsm asked a question she doesn't know the answer to, and instead of answering and politely pointing out that she could have worded it better, you jump down her throat. If a black person were to ask me about sunburns I get on my ridiculously pale skin, I would just answer them. You could have helped people learn and instead, you took the opportunity to be appalled that anyone dare ask.

And THAT is what's wrong with this country and this board right now. EVERYTHING is viewed as being racist. I'm so friggin sick of it. The only way we as humans can grow closer is to educate each other, instead of pointing fingers.

Everyone grow the fuck up.

Unknown said...

Not knowing the ins and outs of black hair does not make someone racist.

That said, Chris Rock's documentary on black hair politics, and the black hair industry, called Good Hair is amazing.

www.imdb.com/title/tt1213585

Cheryl said...

Whitney has been known to be bald for years. Clive Davis said that it was easier to put her in wigs than to style her fragile hair. Remember her wedding to Bobby? She wore a turban type headpiece instead of a wig or weave and it was obvious.

Black women's hair comes in MANY textures and a lot of us are trying to get over the whole good hair/bad hair crap. I have thick curls that I have been wearing natural for about 2 years. My sister has long thick coarse hair that she wears under a weave so she doesn't have to mess with it. Personal choice.

I'm from a really integrated part of NJ where you grow up with people of different cultures and ethnicities. It is not the same everywhere. People aren't necessarily racist if they have questions about people they are unfamiliar with.

Cee Kay said...

FFS, lay off katsm. We don't exactly learn about the hair of different races in school, now do we? What exactly are you so mad about, anyway?

Amy in MI said...

Good grief. I didn't think kats was asking any type of racist question. I didn't know until I got to college and had a black roommate that black women usually don't wash their hair everyday because of losing the oils.

ABlake said...

A couch in a restroom?
....Why?

audrey said...

I don't mind the OT discussions on the weekend when it is contained to a blind reveal. What can you say about something that happened nearly five years ago but 'Wow' I didn't know Tara Reid was so easy, or so sad that Whitney had no hair. 200 or so comments later it gets freaking old. So let the round table discussions continue.

Not to sound mean...cause I like to save that for celebrities who deserve to have their over inflated egos bruised a bit...but there really are some nasty attitudes on this site lately. Anyone who goes against the majority thought pattern is automatically a troll or jumped on because they disagree. I do agree that sometimes a legit question to one person can be misread and misinterpreted by another and because there is no voice contact it can really be misconstrued as something that it is really not. Be kind and step away from the keyboard before firing off a rant.

Back on topic....Wow I didn't know Tara Reid was so easy.
I am so sad to discover that Whitney was bald.

katsm0711 said...

I've been debating whether I should even try to explain what I meant any more, and I think I can't do any worse...
I said "black" because we are talking about Whitney. I was wondering if it was possibly a medical hair loss condition or if she had "bad hair" that made attaching weaves wigs, whatever she wore, difficult so she shaved it on purpose. "Bad hair" can mean a lot of things and all I mean is hair that can't hold a weave, which is what I've been told bc my hair is too weak to hold anything. I'm going to try to keep my mouth shut but unfortunately it doesn't last. So next time I offend someone can you please just ask me to clarify because I'm not a mean person and I do have a lot of shitty days where I might be pissed at something else and my words don't come out right. I'm aware that I'm a terrible communicator but I'm trying. I'm not apologizing because I know I asked a fair question, I'm just asking for whomever to ask me to clarify if I offended you before you attack me.

Unknown said...

to the folks picking on bobbi_4025 for an OT post... Off Topic posts have been the norm on this blog since I started coming here - 2006.

Go back and check out early posts and the comments. A lot of them go off on many topics. This is what I like about CDAN. However, I do not like the recent readers having a shit fit every 12 seconds because someone has a different opinion.

Finally, with the upcoming election, please do not feed the trolls. Both parties have trolls and both parties' trolls are convinced the other party is comprised of Satan worshipers. Enough!

Just because someone has a different opinion and/or politics than you, it doesn't mean they are evil/racist/stupid/uneducated/illiterate. Okay?

And yes, I am a chicken for not posting under my regular name. But I'm not wading into racism and new readers hissy fits so they can follow me through out the board and diss me. There's been a lot of that lately... I miss the old days were we would RESPECTFULLY disagree with each other.

Unknown said...

WHERE, not were. Oops.

ButterKwup said...

Amen, Unknown!

(Unless that offends you ;) )

katsm0711 said...

Last one, I really appreciate the people who stood up for me. You really don't know what that means to me.

__-__=__ said...

Pink slime and slurry?!?!?? That's just gross.

bobbi_1025 said...

*400lb* if he was 40 we would be able to lift him. Damn autocorrect

1Jazzimom said...

I believe it may have been the assumption that "all Black women" have the same hair type. There are various textures within the race as with other races. To be lumped into one category may have been the trigger. All Black women are not the same body type, skin color etc.to ask questions that suggest otherwise could be deemed offensive.

V said...

First time commenter, but I've enjoyed reading this site for years! @katsm0711 - definitely not offended by your question (as a black woman who wears her hair natural). Just to give you some insight - I do wear weaves and wigs from time to time (mainly to protect my hair during the winter months) and when I do, I braid my hair and either sew the tracks onto the braids or put the wig on over my braided hair. I have super tight coils and about 75% shrinkage so even though my hair is a little past "bra strap length"... It rarely looks it. Wearing weaves/wigs doesn't necessarily mean your hair is short or bald, I consider it another styling tool ;)

I think in Whit's case she may have decided it was easier to be completely bald (since she'd worn wigs constantly since she was discovered). Personally I would have loved to have seen a photo, because I think she would have been striking. I also think Naomi C should do the same...too many years of bad (too tight) weaves has essentially left her bald as it is.

Sorry for the first-timer tangent ;)

Gtzisshe said...

Thank you. The question was answered! Yay. Thanks V. You're a good egg.

goes in circles said...

Sheeesh.

goes in circles said...

Thanks V! :)

katsm0711 said...

Thank you so much @V!

Zeeky_Boogy_Doog said...

DewieTheBear - Thanks for replying! There's a guy I know with alopecia, got it in his 20's. He said it came from working with some hazardous chemicals. His is 100%, no eyebrows, nothing. That's awesome if yours went away, I didn't know it would end.

Bobbi_1025 - Good luck with the dog, your recent move, and your Gramps. If he's recently gone downhill, it may be affecting the dog, if he's not used to Gramps being ill. Hope it gets better for you! ((hugs))

Cherry blossom said...

Wow, that was almost epic :-)
Thank you V, I was actually thinking Whitney must have been quite beautiful ''au naturel''.

V said...

Y'all are quite welcome! I always get questions about my hair - I tend to wear it in a good ol' Angela Davis -style fro, which in the Pacific NW sticks out ;)

astrogirl said...

OT discussions which in my case, has developed into valued friendships, is the best thing about this place.

PuggleMommy said...

As a white woman, I know very little about the hair types of other races. This wasn't an ignorant or stupid question. She genuinely was curious. Rather than stating the different hair types among black women, you pounced on kats. I find it pathetic that an adult would act in such a way to another.

Hollyweird said...

Thank you for the insight V! :) Your hair sounds BEAUTIFUL.

Sherry said...

Maybe Whitney was just trying to avoid her hair testing positive for drugs, kind of like Britney.

Tuxedo Cat said...

@Rickatoo Yes, how dare you express yourself, Rickatoo....

PuggleMommy said...

Zing!

V said...

Thanks @Hollyweird! I used to wish I my hair was straight or a looser curl pattern, but now I love it. Sort of an extension of my crazy personality ;)

Ahhh Whitney...she should have just come out and embraced life in the lady pond.

Tuxedo Cat said...

@Audrey I totally relate to you, as usual.....I thought Tara Reid was just a bad alcoholic...I guess she's also a nymphomaniac...either that or took a lot of coke that night....Whitney would have been beautiful with or without hair....

@The Barber Lady, not on my dollar, I agree, it's gotten really bad lately. I wish people would take the time to learn what offends people and what doesn't. It keeps happening but somehow it's always the offended person who gets jumped on.


dia papaya said...

I love the OT discussions. That is why CDaN in particular is my favorite site.

Where else you can talk to people from all over the USA and the planet in one place? Where? On CDaN.

I think we should be able to ask questions and discuss topics openly. Because how else and where else will you learn? Not from the plastic packaged media. But from real people, living real lives, doing they best they can.

I think I've made more than a few really good friends here that I never would have met otherwise. CDaNers are the best peeps ever.

There is a lot going on now in the world and it's easy to be stressed, upset, freaking out. Now is the time for love and compassion. Now more than ever. We are al connected. We are all living on this earth together and the more we fight and bicker the worse it will be. Let's hug it out!

Love you peeps!

Stacey said...

Maybe it was true that Whitney was bald in 2008, but her hair grew back. Unfortunately, her autopsy report stated that she had a "full head of hair w/ no signs of balding." She was going through a lot then so it wouldn't surprise me if this was true then.

Miss you, Whitney!

Tuxedo Cat said...

@dia papaya Thanks for your nice post, I really like your attitude...

Brenda L said...

Wow its really sad that a race-oriented question is automatically interpreted as racist. There was absolutely nothing amiss in katsm's wording either. Nothing there whatsoever except a genuine interest. So happy V showed up in this thread...mature, classy, and I am guessing beautiful to boot. Going off on a white person who dares to address a "black topic" does nothing to ease race relations. I know I am now going to be hesitant to ask something related to race, V might not always be around to offer some compassion and kind education. Being afraid to ask only perpetrates separation of the races.

And for the record, Whitney was a beautiful woman and I bet she could have totally rocked the baldness. Look at Sinead O'Connor back in her heyday....a face so beautiful that hair wasn't even necessary.

brittiany said...

@ katm sorry you got such an ugly response to a legitimate question.

Tuxedo Cat said...

@Brenda L. Racism is subtle sometimes.

Lola said...

@tuxedo cat. And sometimes it is nonexistent.

katsm0711 said...

Wow thanks @britt

Tuxedo Cat said...

@Lola That's probably very true is your world.

Mooshki said...

Oh, CDaN, what have you become. I remember when this place was different from the rest of the internet.

dia papaya said...

Thumbs Up, Tuxedo Cat!

Amy in MI said...

It was non existant in this thread

Wasn't Whitney bald or nearly bald on her first album cover?

Lola said...

@Tuxedo, you know nothing about me, so don't even go there. My grandmother grew up as a native American in early 20th century Oklahoma. I know the history of my ancestors and am well versed in what discrimination is...and what it isn't.
Sometimes, no matter how much you believe it to be so, racism/discrimination IS nonexistent.

But way to paint me, and everyone else, as a latent racist. I must secretly hate my grandmother...and myself.

V said...

Thanks Brenda, that is why I replied. I love the healthy debate that happens amongst CDANers, but don't think it's cool for people to be accusing others of racism over a simple question. Anyhoo, I really wish it hadn't been implied seeing Whitney bald would be "funny" or semi-humiliating. Sistah would have looked fierce!

And getting back to the reveals, I find it hard to believe Tara Reid had a big enough bathroom to contain a couch...for some reason I figured she was semi-transient, possibly counting Chateau Marmont as a residence. Weird...

Brenda L said...

Katsm has been here for quite awhile now, never has she uttered a word of hatred that I know about. Her integrity cannot be disputed.

I've got a head full of hair so thick I don't know what to do with it. I have to confess I don't know even understand the white woman's weave process, so I was curious how black women handled their situations also. In my case it's not race ignorance, more like hair ignorance LOL

To me, racism is hatred, looking down on someone else simply because of skin color. There was no hatred in her question. Not trying to stir the pot here, I am genuinely curious....how could she have asked the question any differently where it wouldn't have been perceived as racist?

And to V....it's little things like the way you handled this situation that is going to change the world. The opposite of racism is respect, you've gotten mine today. I'll look forward to more posts from you.

Less hate. More love.....and more Ben Affleck, please.

Princess said...

I think Whitney would have been beautiful bald also. I remember seeing her so many times and just thinking she was so incredibly gorgeous, one of those kind of people that couldn't look bad if they tried. She was getting rough looking there towards the end, but I'm pretty sure she could have pulled it together and looked stunning again at any time. I just prefer to always remember her as incredibly gorgeous, hair or no hair.

Mari said...

Remember the image of Whitney on her first album? Shorter slicked down hair? What a beauty! I agree with everyone who figured she'd have looked great. Kats has always struck me as a good egg. Nothing has changed! Thank you ladies for your insights on the care of black hair, from the POV of having it! You may know of what I speak when I say I never see hair processing that ends well in the ER! Relaxer burns, allergic reactions, weaves & braids that are too tight, oh boy, it can be agony when hair products attack!
Interestingly, back in the late 80s early 90s in HS we had a healthy population of 'Ginas' I think the US term is 'Guidette' the girls bathroom was a gauntlet of hairspray all day! Anyway, by Grad, four of my friends were almost 50% bald. The repeated hairspray, perming, and general combing up of the hair had done a number on them. I think that much of hair loss can be laid down to chemical damage and stress on the follicular membrane. This is why you see me with my pixie cut, sheer (or shear) terror from my one & only perm...
Don't ask!
A quick note on hair....
I've oft confounded hairdressers over my double crown, a family trait that seemed to stun everyone.... Until I discussed the phenom with another M├ętis girl & discovered her family had them too! So perhaps this goes to another hair difference, who knows?
Add me to the list of those who love the OT nature & genuine, usually caring, give & take here. CDaN is a lovely place where we can be honest. Honesty is always good, honesty & civility is great. It's easy to assume the worst in an internet convo. Me, I try to assume the best. We teach kids there are no stupid questions, then in practice react differently. I actually believe there are no stupid questions. I also believe that by us all meeting here & listening to each other we can learn a lot. Then again, all I see every day is the results of people either not asking a question, fighting, or being stupid. That probably colours my perception. :))
End rant!
xx

BlindItemMe said...

Wow @Kats, Sorry for the vitriol you got just from being genuinely curious. I sure hope we stop seeing responses like that.

@puggle thank you for perfectly articulating everything I was thinking!

BlindItemMe said...

Preach it! :)

BlindItemMe said...

As previously said by others, she was asking a genuine question about something she was curious about (so it wasn't a racist comment, it was a question) Why did it offend you? (genuine question, you don't have to answer)

Also I'm sorry you have experienced racism, it's disgusting that it still exists. But hopefully in this instance you'll see it wasn't meant to be racist or cause offense.

BlindItemMe said...

Dia that was lovely! I was lurking for a long time and really wanted to join in on discussions (the OT Teen Witch discussion was my favorite and I'm still kicking myself that I didn't get in on it that day)

I am one of the "newbies" who has just started posting, I hope I haven't offended or annoyed anyone since I've joined (and I'll admit sometimes I get "comment happy" and if so just keep on scrolling) :)

dia papaya said...

Mari: I have a double crown too! It runs in my family. All my siblings have them. I think my mom too.

BlindItemMe said...

@Lola What you said about racism and discrimination reminds me about a time when I was in high school - one of my mates is African and he told his mum that when we were walking home people were looking at us and he was upset with the racism. His mum gave him the biggest wack around the ear and said, 'if all you see is racism then racism is all you'll get." she then showed him that his fly was undone! We pissed ourselves for ages about that and I do believe that you get back what you put into the universe so I try to be patient and tolerant (unless it's Lindsay blohan) and
positive! :)

iknowpeople said...

Who knew the full moon affected gossip sites?

BlindItemMe said...

South African**

iknowpeople said...

Who knew the full moon affected gossip sites?

babo said...

@ iknowpeople : most sensible comment of the week :-)
When the planets will have moved and the elections and their turmoil will be past, it should get more serene ...

Rickatoo said...

OT "GOSSIP RELATED" topics have always been a part of this site. Since when do we come here for medical advice and guidelines on dog training for an animal that has just attacked a child? What makes anyone here think they are qualified to respond to either of these? Are Dr. Oz and Cesar Milan lurking on our ranks?

Excuse me while I go ask Perez Hilton about the symptoms of early onset dementia, and WebMd about who MV really is.

Jen said...

Actually, there is not really such a thing as 'black hair' or 'white hair'. African Americans tend to have curly or coily thick-shafted hair, but also have straight, wavy and fine-textured hair, too. My dad had fine hair with only a slight wave. I've got wavy and curly hair that have entirely different styling needs. I also have white friends with curly and coily hair. I would say that the differences in hair type are related to curl pattern (or lack of) rather than race.

Whitney Houston used to model in the late 70s/80s and had a spread or 2 in Seventeen Magazine. It was a big deal because black models were rare. Whitney had coily, fine-textured hair and while not sparce, it was not in wild abundance. I think after her first album, she switched to weaves and wigs and after 20 years of use, her hair started to thin out-it's a common problem not exclusive to any race. You might be surprised how many white celebrities use hair extensions & wigs - we just usually do not question them. It's a Hollywood requirement that all women have lush heads of hair well into their 70's when we know that is simply not possible most of the time.

Lioness70 said...

I've been here since circa 2008, and I'm sick and tired of people blowing up and stomping off like children instead of answering the damn question nicely. (Thanks V!)

What the hell is going on? Where did these super sensitive stick up their asses posters come from?

Mari said...

Yay! There are more of us! Even amongst the other nurses everyone is amazed. I figured those of us with the double crown genes were just lucky & amazing :))

Mari said...

Wierdly anough, looking back, you can read LOADS of OT non gossip related convos. I always felt it was part of our charming family.
Upon momentary reflection, I still feel that way. Glad many value our civil, curious gang.

dia papaya said...

Welcome BlindItemMe! The more the merrier I always say :)

I don't get to read and comment as much as I used to so, you go right ahead!!! I lurked for a long time too. But that's boring right? Join the dance. It's always interesting I promise you ;)

Agent**it said...

"Shit fit " - I love that old phrase.

Grand Odalisque said...

I think this thread is really just a microcosm of the very widespread division among whites and blacks that still exists in this country. Yes, racism is alive and still spreads like a disease from generation to generation. It is ugly, often subtle, and always damaging, both the the individuals who are its direct victims and to the fabric of our society as a whole.

And one of terrible legacies of racism is how it has twisted and confused and in some cases, destroyed what might otherwise be genuine goodwill, conversation, growth, and commeraderie between whites and blacks. It has made us suspicious of each other. It has caused us to be guarded, to assume the worst about one another before we even have the chance to get to know one another. And if we can't communicate and can't ever really get to know one another, then how much of our behavior is based on layer upon layer of misunderstanding each other? My guess is A LOT.

As has been said, this only perpetuates the problem. If we are too afraid, offended, suspicious, guarded, etc. to communicate with one another, how can we ever hope to eradicate racism? If we cannot find ways to communicate with patience and compassion, how can we hope to learn anything from one another? Sometimes, we are our own worst enemies.

I noticed that those individuals who were offended have not reponded to anything said since their original posts. I think this is typical when someone expresses an opinion which subsequently does not receive much support. But in a case like this, how unfortunate, since kats made a sincere effort to explain her intentions and there was very obviously no malice on her part. I also get the feeling that if she felt for a second that she HAD, unwittingly, been in the wrong, she would have owned it. And even though it is clearly reassurring to her to have so many come to her defense, it is clear that what is really required in this instance is an apology from the original posters, or at least some attempt to reach a mutual understanding. We all make mistakes. We all speak out of turn, put our proverbial foot in our mouth. What matters is how we handle it after the fact. On a societal level, if hundreds of thousands of blacks and whites across the country are having interactions like the one that just occurred on this thread, and everybody is walking away pissed, offended, confused, or frustrated, what hope is there for any of us? Even if you've been genuinely wronged in the past, giving others the benefit of the doubt and extending a little forgiveness now and then won't hurt you. And they are they keys to changing the world.

Syko said...

@Lioness70, I think the super sensitive stick up their asses posters came from the same place as the belligerant jump down your throat posters.

I can't believe what this site has become. I've been coming here for five years, and it was the greatest place until the hoo-haw about Himmmm. Since then it's been agitated, so PC you can't sneeze, and full of new, annoying and combative people. I've certainly gotten less interested in participating, and I know of many others who feel the same. There are a lot of names you never see at all any more, and a lot of new names who seem to have taken over.

Bah. Moving on.

Moonmaid said...

I met Whitney when she was very young, and she had short, natural hair. So pretty. She was doing some junior modeling back then. They slicked it down for her first album, and she also looked lovely. Then the wigs and hairpieces started. I think that if you wear wigs for a long time, it can damage your hair. She was breathtakingly beautiful when she was young and before drugs set in - clear, gorgeous skin, lovely smile, naturally slim and healthy looking. I think her big mistake was not standing up to her family about her sexual preference. She had a healthy same-sex relationship with someone who was good for her, and whom she thrived with. But times were different back then. She then was defiant and married Bobby Brown as kind of an "F-U" to everyone who would tell her what to do. But it backfired on her. Fame is a horrible thing. She would have been happier staying singing gospel and jazz, without the huge crowds and the starmaking machine. She seemed to shrink from it - it did her in.

dia papaya said...

Moonmaid: I had no idea! None!!! Do you think that's part of the reason she drank/smoked/toked as much as she did? To hide the pain of an inauthentic life?

dia papaya said...

Double crown sisters! Do you have super powers too? *wink*

auntliddy said...

Why is hair such a touchy subject? For ALL females. I am down with the couch in the b-room not for fornicating, but for chilling. I cant even get a stool in my b room, lol. Ot's dont bother me.

wadu said...

Peace!

Great commentary to read "on/off" topic! Knowledge means to know, and wisdom is to grow. Knowledge plus wisdom equal understanding. Do you see me?

peace

Agent**It said...

wadu ! I see you ! and understanding is:

Compassion with Wisdom !

Moonmaid said...

@dia - most people with addiction problems are depressed. They can't get over the addictions until they deal with what is causing them to self-medicate. What I wrote is only speculation from what I observed as an outsider, but as someone who has talked with gay and bi-sexual friends about the pain they experienced in trying to deny and hide their preferences and relationships, I'd have to say yes to your question. I think a lot of her problems stemmed from being shoved into the star-making machinery when her nature was that of a shy person whose private life didn't fit the mold.

V said...

+1000000 on Ben Affleck!

I just want to say a big thanks to those who have welcomed me so warmly to this board. I'm happy to be a part of the CDAN family!

To those on the eastern seaboard - stay safe!

sparklynan said...

Dangit I always seem to post faaaarrrrr too late on the most interesting threads!

Had a couple of thoughts. Yes, the overall feel of the comments here have changed in the last few months, and maybe "new people" have taken over the boards...but I've been reading this site for at least 3 years and just lately have felt the need to comment on things. This is part of the fluid nature of a "scene" that's evolving.

Love the discourse on racism, educating yourself about others, and female hair. I remember being quite clueless in college when I moved to Houston and lived in the dorms where there was a large population of African Americans...there was a large group of girls on my floor that would have a party once a week to wash and style their hair together.

Poor Tara, doesn't she know the couch in the bathroom is for delicate flowers that get their period and need to rest when they feel faint?


Sherry said...

Comes running in the room out of breath- what did I miss?

Cathy said...

I'm a white person with extremely course, dry curly hair. I can't wash it every day and growing up in a time before flat irons, I ended up having an afro in my sixth grade school photo - I had tried brushing it after gym class, but with my type of hair, that just made it get huge. Other white kids commented that it was "like black hair" and wanted to touch it because it was so unlike any of theirs. Hair types span race. One thing that I will say (and I hope it doesn't come across as racist), but growing up as a while girl with hair like mine, I was always sort of envious of women in the black community, just because while they all don't share the same hair type, they are more aware of how to deal with difficult hair and more supportive of each other about it. In college, I found myself wrapping a towel around my not-washed hair when I got out of the shower, just because I knew that the other girls in the dorm wouldn't understand why I didn't wash my hair as often as them and I didn't want them to think I was "dirty" or something.

figgy said...

That was a perfectly reasonable question, katsm, given tha wigs seem to be a lot more common among black women than other races (from what I've observed; I could be wrong.)

Brenda L said...

V - Ben Affleck is my latest victim after suffering hard through several crushing Enty blinds regarding Johnny Depp.
Ben Affleck
RDJ
Lenny Kravitz
and that freakin' little Zac Ephron....makes my tired heart race a little faster.

Enty, you really need to consider more Lenny and Zac too

figgy said...

Not only do I not know much about black women's hair care, I don't know much about the hair challenges of any kind of hair but my own. I have straight thick coarse hair which has its plusses and minuses, like it gets fuzzy and puffy in humidity so I have to put oil on it. I know other white women with curly hair or thin hair or soft fine have their tricks but not sure what they are simply because I've never paid attention. Nothing "racist" about it.

Lola said...

I never used to be a big Ben Affleck fan but age has made him WAY hotter!

katsm0711 said...

Thank you @figgy

Another reason why I didn't see anything unusual about my question or how it was worded because as an esthetician we use something called the Fitzpatrick Scale which is used to measure the skins ability to tolerate sun exposure. It goes from Type 1 which is very fair, blond or red hair, light colored eyes, freckles common, always burns, never tans, all the way to type 6, black skin, rarely sun sensitive, tans easily. I haven't studied hair but I just assumed it had a similar scale.... My makeup teacher even joked that we have to be a little racist when identifying skin types only because certain ethnic groups do have similar undertones. That's a fact and it makes the job go quicker for the makeup artist and the client.

Tuxedo Cat said...

Grand Odalisque I really enjoyed your thoughtful and insightful post.

Please don't feel you need to answer, as I'm not one of the more popular poster here, and it might cause more unnecessary OT posts.

I think you were spot on in your assessment of the makeup of the posters, and that there are some who are sensitive to racism and other social issues where people get excluded in different ways.

I don't know The Barber Lady, but I'm guessing that when she saw the comment in question, she thought that the poster being flippant and/or rude.

I guess most open forums eventually settle into the general common denominator of opinion. In the States, that would be that political correctness has become a nuisance. If one isn't white, though, political correctness is how one is treated by the rest of the world. Words are so important, and a little civility makes such a difference.

I haven't seen too much sympathy for The Barber Lady, who was hurt by the comment. Even if she did want to comment further, she would probably hesitate to because of the snarkiness and backlash it would cause.

On this thread it just seems as if people got tired of trying to understand and tired of trying.

V said...

@Brenda - I like your taste

@Katsm there actually is a hair typing system it goes from 1a - 4c/z, 1 being straight, 4 being tightly curly. Sometimes I think it is a bunch of crap...but it can be useful (along with understanding your hair porosity and density) when figuring products or regimens to use/follow. I consider my self a 4F as in F-abulous.

@Cathy a great sites for women with fabulously coarse curly hair are Curly Nikki or Naturally Curly. Both are great resources for the "curly girl"

katsm0711 said...

Cool thanks @v! U can imagine, there are always exceptions to the rules but those scales make the job go quicker. I have trouble seeing undertones and question myself but the chart points me in the right direction and then I say 'oh yeah that's it!' Clients don't want to sit longer than they have to so I'm sure they don't mind knowing about the charts as long as it leads to the right result. Right?

Lola said...

Cathy, out of curiosity, are you of Scottish ancestry? I ask because I have two white friends that have curly, coarse blond hair and my daughter goes to school with a girl that has the same. They are all 3 of Scottish descent (though no relation).

I know that I (like many Native Americans) have little to no body hair; unfortunately, I didn't get the thick, glorious head hair (my daughter did) but it is fine and stick straight (won't hold curl) like many NAs.

V said...

@katsm, it can, as long as you are working with someone, also knowledgable of your hair texture (especially if curly). Going to a salon can be problematic for me for a number of reasons...I go in for a trim, I lose 6 inches, use of products not right for my hair - do you really think my hair can be detangled with a rat tail comb? Blah, blah, blah. In the end I do everything myself (cut, maintenance, weave installs, wig-making, braiding, coloring, product making).... It can be like a second job ;)


@Lola, oddly enough, my mother thinks I got "my hair" from my from my half Scottish grandfather. He had the same texture and it ran on the Scottish side of his family (he was also half Indian - the Kerala state). Since both of my parents have wavy hair...she's probably onto something!

brittiany said...

Namaste

Alita said...

Well, supstiiously speaking .. Double-crown people will live in 2 different 'kingdoms' (which meant a whole lot more back when supstitions were made up!), and won't drown. So cross that fear off your lists :o)

There was also something I read about witchy-powers being thrown in, so Dia - now we know the source of your rockin' powers!

I like the CDaN people too, you guys rock!