Crazy Days and Nights: Your Turn

Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Your Turn

Michelle Williams posed for "Another Magazine," dressed in "redface" above. Do you consider this racist? Is this any different than posing in blackface?

116 comments:

Barton Fink said...: It's tacky and stupid. Racist? It doesn't really articulate a theory of racial hierachy with white supremacist foundations. It doesn't really convey a lot of respect for native people, though.; 10:01 AM
Redd said...: it's just stupid. no other label required.; 10:02 AM
Unknown said...: Doesn't seem to be a big deal. Next thing you know, we are going to have to worry about what halloween costumes we wear bc we may be insulting a group by dressing as a cowboy, indian, cop, fireman, playboy bunny.....etc. Enough already, the only thing that makes these things racist is when it is making fun of a group, a simple costume does not count.; 10:05 AM
Amber said...: This is going to be my one comment on this thread, because these topics always blow the F up here. As a person of Ojibwe heritage, I do not see this as different from blackface and I feel that it's wrong. I will not accept that I need to "lighten up" about the topic.; 10:05 AM
VIPblonde said...: Never heard of this mag. Apparently it's a high-end fashion and culture magazine. Here's their own synopsis of the issue: AnOther Mag. From that, I would guess that she's actually portraying Pocahontas. So in that case, it's no more offensive than when Annie Liebowitz does the Disney spreads every year (as in not at all offensive); 10:06 AM
Anon said...: White folks....what else is new.; 10:07 AM
Cindy said...: I'm with you Amber -- I have Cree heritage and I don't feel that this is respectful at all. What purpose does it serve?; 10:07 AM
Bleu said...: It's a total WTF cover.; 10:09 AM
msgirl said...: Amber, I was hoping a native american would comment. Also I want to ask, I know lots don't mind being "Indian" and that's what they call themselves while having a good laugh about how stupid the whites were for thinking they got to India, while others prefer Native American. I'd love to hear your thoughts.; 10:10 AM
KPeony said...: Bad idea on her part.; 10:10 AM
KLM said...: Agree with Barton and Redd. Tacky, stupid and disrespectful. And stupid. Did I say that already?; 10:10 AM
Miranda said...: It's racist. C'mon.; 10:11 AM
TuesdayAdams said...: It's offensive. Being ethic is not a freaking costume! But I guess if it doesn't apply to you you wouldn't think it was a big deal. Sad people can't see past their own color...; 10:11 AM
Cathy said...: Blackface is offensive because it is one group of people mocking another group of people after a history of abuse, discrimination stealing from them, stereotyping them and just mistreatment in general. Redface is different because white people never treated Native Americans in such a way. Oh, wait....

Disclaimer: please note the sarcasm in this post.; 10:13 AM
Anna V. Xol said...: It's just dumb as fuck. She looks foolish.; 10:15 AM
KLM said...: Oh god Cathy - I started reading your comment and was like wincing with pain, until I read, "Oh, wait..." Good one!; 10:16 AM
Christopher Cruz said...: Hang on. For starters, why is she doing it? And yes, I find it racist.; 10:16 AM
Snapdragon said...: @Katie Cunningham:
Next thing you know, we are going to have to worry about what halloween costumes we wear bc we may be insulting a group by dressing as a cowboy, indian, cop, fireman, playboy bunny...

There is already a big campaign re: how cultures are not costumes. I get what they're saying--most of these 'ethnic' costumes are insulting stereotypes. I do think there are people who don ethnic clothing with respectful intent (I have done this). I don't think it's (pardon the expression) black or white. There are shades of grey.

(So I guess I agree with you; it comes down to intent.); 10:16 AM
auntliddy said...: I cant imagine why on earth anyone would do this, dress in redface. Its weird, pointless and offensive. The person who does this stuff may not mean ill will, but it is interpretted that way so just dont do it.; 10:17 AM
Anon said...: Lighten up....get over it...that was long ago....whitefolk; 10:18 AM
Snapdragon said...: (And yes, this is WRONG. But they probably figure that bad publicity is still publicity. How many of you heard of this magazine before today?); 10:19 AM
Cathy said...: @KLM - now I'm really glad that I included the disclaimer! :); 10:20 AM
FrenchGirl said...: if it's racist,tacky or offensive,Halloween must disappear and Johnny Depp also; 10:20 AM
Izzie said...: WTF.

I'm Indian and this p*es me off. Yes, it's racist. Michelle Williams is a little blond, dressing up like Pocohontas for high fashion? P* off.

But you know, sports teams can get away with "Redskins" but you'll never hear of the New York Kikes or the Atlanta Negroes. I mentioned this once to someone and he said, SMH, you're offended at being associated with strong, powerful men? (And that's why I hate the term SMH, because of him.) Yeah, that's totally it.; 10:21 AM
Anon said...: She should've dressed herself up as the joker with a syringe in one hand and a cord wrapped around her arm; 10:21 AM
Amber said...: @msgirl - Yeah, "I'll say "Indian" in a context where I'm mocking or making a joke about something. I personally would prefer at the very least for people to say "Native American". That's not totally accepted, though. IDEALLY, I think, many would like to be referred to by their specific heritage as many are so different from one another. i.e. Someone who is "European" would more specifically be German, Italian, etc. My friend's husband is Ghanian (actually from Ghana), and refers to himself as such - not "African".; 10:23 AM
couriergrrrrl said...: @msgirl I'm Cherokee, and I use the term Indian and see nothing wrong with non-natives using that word. Indian is short for indigenous. Nothing offensive about that.; 10:27 AM
Anonymous said...: I don't find it offensive, but I'm not NA.; 10:30 AM
Cathy said...: Indian is NOT short for indigenous. Christopher Columbus thought he was in India when he came to America, hence why he called the people there Indians.; 10:31 AM
Jessi said...: This is a definite WTF were they thinking and doing! Bad bad bad.; 10:35 AM
msgirl said...: Thanks Amber and couriergrrrl!; 10:35 AM
StewMcG said...: I'm Native American (Cherokee) and I'm offended. The only reason the magazine ran this photo was to stir up controversy and, hopefully, increase sales. Disgusting.

Then, again, I keep hoping our local baseball team (Cleveland Indians) will change their name and mascot.; 10:36 AM
Karen said...: I'm kind of torn on this; they had her dress up as eight different characters, including Pocohontas. I don't think that their intent was racist, but I also think that the end result is.; 10:36 AM
M said...: Honestly, I thought she was dressed in "Katie Holmes" face.; 10:37 AM
Anonymous said...: What gets on my nerves is how Africa is referred to as a country. Africa is a CONTINENT, not a COUNTRY!

Back on topic:

This picture is stupid. Clearly the idea of some so-called 'cultured' person with no real concept of cultural awareness. It's not the worst offense I've seen, but it is not a good look at all.; 10:38 AM
Pip said...: Indians are from India. It isn't short for anything that I know of. I also don't understand those who say American Indian when referring to Native Americans. They aren't Indian!; 10:39 AM
Tammy said...: I am 1/8 Mingo and 1/8 Eastern Band Cherokee. I have no problem with it, or the word Indian. My best friend in high school was Lakota and she has lived on the rez since she graduated high school, and she thinks all the fuss about Indian vs Native is stupid. I emailed her this pic, and she doesn't see anything offensive about it, either.

You ask 1000 people, you'll get a thousand answers. 1 person cannot speak for an entire culture.; 10:40 AM
mikey said...: @M, I thought that too and couldn't decide if it was Katie done goth or just Katie in some sort of fashion statement.; 10:42 AM
crila16 said...: No. I'm American Indian and I couldn't care less. Not offended...though...at the same time. I believe in freedom of speech and I'm not very PC.; 10:43 AM
Jacq said...: It's not like she has on a beaded suede dressand a baby in a papoose. Indians have the lock on braids, plaid flannel and feathers - noted. No one seems to get out of whack when Beyonce releases a Loreal ad where she's been turned white. This was some stupid photo shoot for an obscure (at least as far as I've never, ever heard of it) magazine. Get over it!; 10:45 AM
Amber said...: @PuggleWug - Well, Russel Means (founder of AIM), actually preferred "American Indian" because it puts the "American" first.

I think the best thing anyone can do with anyone culturally different from them is be respectful, and also ask them their preference if it's appropriate. If it's a person you're meeting in passing, there's not necessarily a reason their heritage needs to be a focus so I wouldn't make it one.; 10:46 AM
camembert said...: It goes to intent. Blackface was intended to denigrate an ethnicity and a culture. This "redface", or whatever you want to call it, doesn't appear to do either. Williams is from Montana, so maybe she thinks this is referring to her home state, such as the caption says.; 10:46 AM
Robert said...: So now we have to worry that our Halloween costumes are going to offend the Village People?; 10:47 AM
Izzie said...: I say Native American on forms and in discussions, but growing up, we always said we were Indian, not Native American or as in Canada, First Nations. I don't care if someone calls me Indian, but they don't usually because in our area, there are a lot of people from India and it would just be a bit confusing. All them brown people look alike, right? :b; 10:47 AM
Seattle_Strips said...: Dislike. My cousin is half-native, and my best friend, and IMO this is racist as hell.

If anyone thinks this is no big deal, try going to the Rez dressed like that, even on Halloween.

I concur with those of you who say Johnny Depp has become a huge a**hole!; 10:47 AM
c_anne said...: this is my first day since I discovered this site about 6 months ago that I actually have all kinds of time to comment. This is fun. :)

I haven't seen the great and powerful oz yet so maybe I am missing something but how is being dressed as an Indian relevant to anything in her life or movies right now?; 10:55 AM
Anon said...: Glad I'm not the only one who know that.; 10:57 AM
Anon said...: Sure are a lotta Indians on this board0; 10:59 AM
Tali said...: I'm also Native American (Choctaw), and while I try to have a good sense of humor about this stuff, I hate this cover. It's not like this is just another hilariously misguided attempt at a white homage to our cultures. Dressing up the whitest white actress out there like she's a sulky homeless Native girl and slapping a Pocahontas label on it is just a disgusting ploy to get in the news.; 11:01 AM
Anonymous said...: Jacq: there has been a LOT of discussion about Beyonce's whitening. I will also point out that Beyonce has taken heat for highlighting her Native American and French roots in these ads, though I think her mother is part Creole and that's where it comes in for her. I'm a little vague on that one. But there has been criticism.

http://thegrio.com/2012/02/10/beyonce-describes-herself-as-african-american-native-american-french-in-new-loreal-ad/#s:beyonce-true-match-loreal-ad-jpg

http://www.theroot.com/buzz/true-match-controversy-over-beyonce-loreal-ad-misplaced; 11:01 AM
lazyday603 said...: Neil Young spent the 1st 10 years of his public life dressed like a native American and named his publishing company "Broken Arrow". Is he racist or is he interested in native American culture? Alison Brie is forever doing rapping for comic effect. Is she racist or is she a fan of African American hip hop?

South Pasadena Rapping; 11:02 AM
Noetje said...: I really don't see the problem. I've seen people walk around in clothing from all sorts of cultures. It only seems to be a problem when "minority groups" are involved. To me it's the intend that matters.; 11:03 AM
Mama Ray said...: My High School mascot is the Indians... They have tried to change it to something more politically correct about every 5 yrs, but the family of the original native American who was the sports star that mascot was named for have fought against thr change for the past 50+ years as the original "Indian" was very proud and honored they chose Indian as the mascot. They feel strongly in this case that it was to honor him and argue that making a change would be disrespectful...; 11:08 AM
califblondy said...: Looks like Morticia Addams to me; 11:08 AM
lazyday603 said...: If Michelle Williams gets raked over the coals for this it's karma for her badmouthing Mila Kunis.; 11:11 AM
Pip said...: Noetje, it isn't her clothes that is the issue.; 11:11 AM
Mama Ray said...: That being said, I am not native American, but I also find this in questionable taste...; 11:13 AM
Seachica said...: Just looks ugly to me; 11:13 AM
just curious on a mobile said...: ...and on another note, I like big black cock!; 11:18 AM
Unknown said...: Since when does jeans, button up shirt and the cape you wear at the hair salon = any culture at all? Most of the white people in my home town wear that shirt and jeans combo, it's not uncommon to see a feather in a hat. Wth part of this whole weird getup says Indian/native? The braids? Certainly not the makeup, certainly not the cape, certainly not the clothes. So.... Feather?; 11:19 AM
redronnie said...: I find it offfensive, I am not Indian I am Anishinnabe.. Watch the Nation Film Board docudrama "For Angela" it is available on-line, if you think this type of behaviour is harmless. Frankly Neil Young is forgiven because he went through his "Fringe" stage in the sixties..he hasn't slapped on the leather in years; 11:21 AM
couriergrrrrl said...: @cathy & pugglewug-- India came from the word Indu which came from the Greek Endus, which means, guess what! indigenous. So while I guess I worded my statement wrong when I said Indian was short for indigenous, Indian is a term that had been used for indigenous people around the globe centuries before Columbus was even born.; 11:21 AM
Sandy said...: So -- I guess their next cover will feature a white celebrity in "brownface" (sombrero, dressed as a maid or gardener) or "yellowface" (in a coolie hat, costumed as a nail salon worker or a math dweeb)?

Uh, yeah - it's racist.; 11:22 AM
Anon said...: Like that muthafuckin Jim morrison; 11:24 AM
Maja With a J said...: "Honestly, I thought she was dressed in "Katie Holmes" face."

This!; 11:25 AM
Sugar said...: Did she learn nothing from No Doubt???; 11:26 AM
Anon said...: The thing is Columbus was looking for India.when he hit present America,he thought the natives were Indians and called them such.it's a general public conception; 11:37 AM
Anon said...: Get over it.....see,told ya?; 11:40 AM
OneGirlRevolution said...: I'm 1/4 Cherokee and in the context the photo was taken, I don't have a problem with it at all. Even before I knew the context, I was like...so she's NA because she has braids and an artfully placed feather? I don't really remember flannel shirts, jeans and what looks to be a silk, designer kimono being part of any tribe's traditional dress.

Insofar as the Indian/Native American thing...

It's not as if Columbus got here and said, "let's offend all of the native people." He believed he was in India. For that matter, the indiginous people of the North American continent didn't refer to themselves as "Native Americans" either so if we're all going to get offended maybe it should be about the fact that we all get lumped together and that no one bothers to call us by our traditional names in our native languages (no, I don't know the original native language form of "Cherokee"). For that matter, how is being refered to as "Indian" any worse than being characterized through a reference to the European explorer who "discovered" America (either Amerigo Vespucci or Richard Ameryk, depending on which version you want to believe). I hardly think the people populating this land would have said, "yeah...name us after a European."

On the other hand, I'm pretty hard to offend and I try very hard not to go specifically looking for offence, so there's that.; 11:42 AM
Anonymous said...: I'm white on white, so I can't really tell if it's offensive. I think we're more conditioned as a society to recognize racism and stereotypes on African Americans, but I don't think I'd be thrilled by this either. Couldn't she have just dressed up as an Indian, without the face paint?; 11:44 AM
MISCH said...: Personally I don't care but there will be a backlash; 11:44 AM
SueRH said...: Very disrespecful. No different then blackface.; 11:46 AM
Mango said...: @ Layna Day - I couldn't get either of those links to work.; 11:56 AM
Mango said...: My question is for the Native Americans of the board: What are your feelings about sports teams with "Indians" in their name? (Stew McG answered already); 11:56 AM
Sherry said...: I defer to native Americans in what they may deem offensive to their culture. And as pointed out, ask 1000 people you get 1000 different points of view.

That said, where does it say she's in red face or dressed as Pocahontas? I see a mélange of different fashion trends going on here and correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there a feather woven in the hair trend happening now? What's the flannel shirt and boyfriend jeans signify?

She looks more like Katie Holmes (as mentioned!) than a Native America IMHO.

If it is an intentional take on Native American's then yeah, it's offensive. If it's simply a creative stylist just not thinking it through then no. Different from all angles.; 12:04 PM
OneGirlRevolution said...: @Mango, I don't really care. You could argue that they chose that name because Indians are viewed as strong, tenacious warriors. I think most teams choose names based on the perceived strength of the name. You don't see a whole lot of teams named "Koalas" or "Hula Dancers".

Part of my feelings about these things stem from (as some of you know) my grandmother's experience as a Cherokee Indian in mid century Oklahoma who got pregnant, out of wedlock, in her teens. There is a shit-ton of intentional bigotry out there that destroys people's psyches and their souls. There is bigotry out there that makes people pay for what should be a proud heritage. My grandmother wsa put in a mental institution and given daily electro-shock treatments to cure her of her whoring ways and her Indian sins. I have a hard time getting my panties in a wad over silly things.; 12:04 PM
Anon said...: They bleached most black entertainers with mainstream appeal...bey..Janet..even Michelle obama; 12:08 PM
Don't Worry Be Happy said...: I like big black cock and i can not lie
you other brothers cant deny
when a guy walks in with a dick to his chin
on my knees i fall to take it all in; 12:10 PM
crila16 said...: Being American Indian, I'm wasn't even offended when I went to a Cowboy and Indian party for Halloween. FYI...I dressed up like a cowboy. I hope all the cowboys out there weren't offended.

A lot of people like to act like they're offended, just for attention. Being an Indian, I can tell you...it's flattering. I think the American Indian culture is beautiful, as are the people. I'd want to dress like them too. It's exotic.; 12:20 PM
8====D KermitGossnellKnobjob said...: This is just ludicrous.

When pornstars disguise as nurses, is it offending to medical community?

It would be racist if she were making out with a goat, or something racially insulting.
No way just putting on Native American clothes and posing on a cover is racist, it's more a homage than anything else.; 12:57 PM
jax said...: I am part First Nations as well, my Great Grandmother was Metis, and I find nothing wrong with it.

I don't speak for everyone nor do I expect anyone to speak for me.

We, as a fucking society DO need to lighten up. Sorry not sorry.; 1:03 PM
Show Don"t Tell said...: Hi everyone!!! Waving maniacally to y"all. I am the first one to bring up that Michelle Williams makes me cringe whenever I see her. However, Michelle was, I believe a native (not Native American, just native to the state) to Montana (her father ran for public office once and was since been
disgraced over some finance scandal. Ms. Williams grew up in an area of Montana that is located very close to a Native America reservation named Flathead. She lived (if not born there, too) in Kalispell, Montana, until she moved with her Mother to S. Cali. Perhaps this article has something to do with her having lived so close to the Flathead Reservation?

Bye, the end.; 1:06 PM
jax said...: fucking art can't even be art anymore without someone getting butthurt.

was their malice involved? no.

so it's only ok for Victoria's Secret models to do it? my bff who is Chinese went as a leather and feather wearing Native American Indian for Halloween, is she racist? nope.; 1:09 PM
crila16 said...: Completely agree @ YoMismo.; 1:10 PM
Show Don"t Tell said...: Also, I had a friend that was on set with Michelle W., once and she was the one who tracked my friend down and wanted to meet him to say she was from Montana, too. Montanian's are weird that way.

Someone will chase you down due to your car bearing a Montana license plate, then they proceed to ask you what city you are from and if you know their Great Aunt Betty.; 1:15 PM
Jason Blue Eyes said...: @Jax - wow, your bff sounds hot.; 1:44 PM
Agent**It said...: " a general public conception"...; 1:45 PM
OKay said...: Meh. I reject the "racist" notion (my daughter is Metis, does that give me a vote?), but I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.; 1:57 PM
Alicia said...: I find more offense in the tacky way she was dressed for this shoot .. Like all Rez girls run around in flannels and baggy jeans. I'm not offended , I just don't get what the concept is supposed to imply.

And yup JC there are a bunch of Indians on here. Up to 1/16 in my home state you receive benefits. How much black do you have to have in you to claim African American? Not being a dick.. excuse the pun here.. But I'm just curious

And I'm a proud Spokane Indian ( Norwegian on my fathers side ) . We say Indian and don't get people's obsession with the term American Indian .. It's kind of funny. I showed my ma this photo and asked her what she thought .. She said " that girl needs to learn how to smile " case closed in my book; 1:58 PM
AKM said...: I'm not sure that it's racist.

Hey there, Montana folks! I have a friend from Missoula who claims that it's the most beautiful spot on Earth. Plus, Moose Drool, man. That stuff is killer.; 2:17 PM
ethorne said...: The whole cover is creepy as fuck.; 2:19 PM
Anon said...: My bad,I don't proofread.

General public misperception; 3:01 PM
witwritergirl said...: I'm of Choctaw heritage. Not offended at all. When you're portraying a person you dress and act as that person.; 3:12 PM
Amartel said...: The photo is not offensive, disrespectful or racist. The set-up in the post, calling it "redface" wants you to jump to that conclusion though. Jump! Jump higher!!; 3:20 PM
Turkish Taffy said...: Let those of you with First Nations heritage decide if it's racist or not. From my perspective it's tacky and not an appealing photo.; 3:53 PM
Anon said...: Considering brother Vick and his love for animals, I wonder if the animals lovers still get pissed off that a lotta Indians still consume animals for their essentials.; 3:55 PM
Christopher Cruz said...: No, they don't. I don't think ANYBODY would confuse a Native/First Nations/Turanian person for an Indian from India.; 3:58 PM
jkelsofarrell said...: She's from Kalispell, in the Northwestern corner of Montana (I'm from Whitefish, 15 miles North). That part of the state butts up against two major reservations: the Flathead to the South and the Blackfeet to the East. It's hard to explain, but to many Montanans, this isn't racism. And having lived in the Deep South and now the Midwest, many people don't regard racism against Native Americans as racism. Native Americans are a marginalized voice in the sea of marginalized voices.; 3:58 PM
The Real Dragon said...: I'm more Offended of Johnny Depp playing Native in Long Ranger than this.; 4:05 PM
Jenn said...: @justcurious, unless you're a vegetarian, so do you.
I am offended by this pic, and her regular face as well.; 4:11 PM
ablake said...: As a Cherokee, I'm not offended. Then again I really don't give a flip about Michelle, so there ya go.; 4:41 PM
MadLyb said...: Yes, it is racist.; 4:47 PM
Agent**It said...: I kind of like the idea of a "public conception" . "Immaculate Public Conception" , ha!; 5:02 PM
detown359 said...: Racist.; 5:18 PM
Show Don"t Tell said...: A big shout out to AKM!! - Montana is spectacular to some folks, I guess. I enjoyed the views and the mountains of Colorado more. Montana is still fairly primitive where as Colorado is modern and offers accessibility (flights) when you need to get in and/out. I live just up the side of the mountain from where Moose Drool is brewed. The brewery has outdoor concerts with some great bands. We sit out on our driveway and listen to the bands play. I love that part of living here.

However, as I mentioned in my previous post, Michelle Williams was born and raised in Kalispell. I think people should back off of condemning her. Did Enty read the article he posted about her? I want to know what is stated in the article and about he interview with Ms. Williams. For all we know one of the Native tribes of Montana could have adopted her into the tribe. Tribes do that frequently with people from around their area or that do good things for their tribes. Ask Kevin Costner, although I believe the Native American tribe that adopted Costner has unadopted him, which is a very good story. Google the story if you are interested.; 5:18 PM
Izzie said...: It's a joke, @Christopher Cruz.; 5:32 PM
csproat said...: All controversy aside... I thought this was a picture of Justine Bateman...; 6:50 PM
Agent**It said...: AKM, I have a friend from Missouls !!!; 6:51 PM
mooshki said...: Yes, it's racist, and now I'm even more glad I've never been able to stand the bitch.; 7:06 PM
Agent**It said...: Victoria Secret apologized .Just sayin'; 7:20 PM
JSierra said...: I am offended by her outfit and makeup, wtf is going on there?; 7:56 PM
Miel*8 said...: I find it insensitive. Not the exact same idea as blackface, if you look at it historically, but its bad nonetheless; 9:35 PM
Stace said...: Like a bunch of others here, I am Native American. A card-carrying (literally) member of a Chippewa tribe. I receive benefits. My mother was born on the rez, though I wasn't. I don't personally have a preference between Native American or Indian, though it's obvious which I use more often (there is a high concentration of Indians from India in my area and it removes some confusion), and I don't give a hoot about sports teams or their mascots.

That cover is poorly thought out and made to get people talking, nothing more. It's not more offensive to have Michelle Williams dress in redface than it was to have Iron Eyes Cody, an Italian, do the same. It's definitely insensitive, and whether it's racist... Racism is in the eye of the beholder. YMMV.; 10:43 PM
Steampunk Jazz said...: LOL. I had to read the comments to find out what was going on because A. what redface? she looks cake maked. and B. Is "Out Now" I thought she was coming out of the closet! never heard of the Mag so why not? Don't see anything that says"takin a poke at Pocahantas" so where are the references to N.A.? Too confusing. Based ONLY on Enty's blurb, it doesn't bother me but then I'm of Irish heritage and St Paddy's day is coming. EVERYONE is Irish Then! Nothing like leprechauns and pots o' gold and green beer to honor a proud heritage that was treated like dirt when they arrived starving, off the boats.; 4:05 AM
redronnie said...: @Jax if you knew the history of your metis heritage you'd be aware of Metis being a distinct Canadian Culture - not "part" First Nations. But, I suppose you'd fit in with the group who says "my great-great grandmother was a Cherokee." You obviously know very little about the First Nations/Metis issues right under your west coast nose.; 4:49 AM
redronnie said...: @Jax if you knew the history of your metis heritage you'd be aware of Metis being a distinct Canadian Culture - not "part" First Nations. But, I suppose you'd fit in with the group who says "my great-great grandmother was a Cherokee." You obviously know very little about the First Nations/Metis issues right under your west coast nose.; 4:49 AM

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