Thursday, March 27, 2014

Today's Blind Items- This Should Be A Movie

I was doing some research on a film from back in the day that has come up a few times in the past week. It has come up because the star of the film has some other projects she is plugging now and a lot of the old stories about the movie are resurfacing. There will be a blind about that movie next week. while doing the research though, I saw one of my favorites in the cast list and clicked on her name to see what she is up to now. When I clicked, I had to blink a couple of times because I thought to myself that couldn't be right. She would never do that. It turns out she would. She is an actress who has literally been around forever, but never looks old. She is considered a mostly television actress and had a nice long run on a hit cable television show that ended not that long ago. She is known though for something much more important in history. I consider her to be the first "it girl." The first time that term may have been used. That is a big honor. Anyway, she has a secret that she only shared with a few people who got drunk with her back in the day in the club that will never be duplicated. She says she had sex with one of the most infamous people in history. She had so many details that no one left an encounter with her doubting her story. As far as I know she has not mentioned it to anyone in decades and my source from that club who was there every night and is still friends with her today says she never mentions it. She is afraid of the damage it might cause her career now. So, that is what makes what she is doing now, so damn interesting.

175 comments:

MontanaMarriott said...

Someone had sex with someone at Studio 54?

sandybrook said...

Well since Clara Bow was the first It Girl it has to be her. Whats she been doing lately? She's dead?

wanton said...

Imagining Betty White having sex with Hitler is tough, y'all!

Ellin said...

Betty white and Truman Capote

sandybrook said...

Edie Sedgewick ? Lana Turner?What are they up too they were It Girls? They're dead?

sandybrook said...

Marilyn Monroe was an It Girl too? What's she doing now? Shes dead?

Whyguess said...

Someone with Charles Manson

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JisforMe said...

Goldie Hawn? She was the first that came to mind for me.

Stephy said...

@sandybrook As I'm sure you know, Clara Bow even starred in a movie called "It".

So, the Zombie Clara Bow is worried that people will find out about her and Charles Manson at the Whiskey?

Ellin said...

Or Betty White and the Duke of Windsor

Kristin (Wiglet) said...

I was thinking Jessica Lange, just ended her stint on AHS, not returning, Studio 54 regular, was sexing Baryshnikov and others. Not sure what movie Enty is talking about.

sandybrook said...

Anywho Kim Basinger.

FSP said...

Sophia Loren

crila16 said...

The only person that is going through my mind is seriously Betty White. That woman seriously looks the same...though, she didn't become an "IT" until the past few years.

Nutty_Flavor said...

Somebody screwed Charles Manson. All the contemporary mass-murderers - Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho, Muhammed Atta, possibly Zaharie Ahmad Shah - go down with the ship.

Joy Jou 212 said...

Raquel Welch and ???
She is a beauty who hasn't aged a bit ..

sandybrook said...

Yup she did that Stephy.

FSP said...

Never mind

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FSP said...

@joy jou - that's who I was thinking of.

Anna Belle said...

Clara Bow was the first to be called an It Girl, due to her movie by that name...a certain something that makes men & women take notice...

Tara said...

Either a serial killer or a dictator. This is JUICY. Can't wait for next week's blind.

Anna Belle said...

They say Charlie Manson had been in LA trying to get on TV, rumored to have auditioned for the Monkeys, but there is no one who can confirm that so who knows...someone hooked up with him back in the 60's or maybe Jim Jones of Jones Town....

Jessi said...

I was definitely thinking Charles Manson, but don't know about the woman. Jessica Lange is a good guess.

Bebedog said...

Candice Bergen and Warren Beatty or Howard Hughes??? Just trying to think of someone other than the usual suspects!

MontanaMarriott said...

Wasn't there a famous club in Cuba before Fidel took over? I think it was the Copacabana or Tropicana or something. But that would make the actress somewhere in her 70's so I will stick with 54.

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Peggy Too said...

This is who I thought of too.
Movie Tootsie maybe??

crila16 said...

This isn't the original it girl...it's who Enty thinks is his idea of the first it girl.

As for Infamous person in history...there's so many. Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny...

Lilidawn said...

Jane Fonda and Fidel Castro

Boozie said...

@kristen - jessica lange is going to be in the next season of AHS 'Freak Show'...

Renoblondee said...

Very juicy!

Kristin (Wiglet) said...

Clara Bow died in the 60s and hadn't made a movie since the 30s, I believe.

Anna Belle said...

An older actress somehow involved in the "Manson Girls" movie that they are going to be making...Laura Harring looks to be the oldest though & I don't think she's old enough

L'auteur said...

Chloe Sevigny, known for giving the first non-simulated blow job in a mainstream film,The Brown Bunny, was considered an It girl, and perhaps slept with a mass murderer such as Charles Manson? She is currently filming West Memphis Three based on true events...

Vera L- said...

Candice Bergen dated Terry Melcher who had a "relationship" with Manson. The "recently" ended cable series would be sex and the city. (2004?)

Don't know what damage she would be worried about now though.

Flora Goforth said...

Heather Locklear CBGB Sid Vicious

Anna Belle said...

Chloe's not old enough unless she visited Manson in jail

Vera L- said...

HOw would Sevigny sleep with Manson? He's been in prison since before she was born.

I do like your guess. What "infamous" person could she has slept with? Someone in the club scene from NYC?

Derek Harvey said...

Chloe Sevigny? It says Hwood IT girl not SHIT girl. and she is not even 40 yet.

shopgirl said...

"Literally" Forever?!

Purbear said...

I think Anna Belle got it with Manson Girls, but I think the actress is Patti D'Arbanville. Known for her work with Warhol and inspiring "Wild World."

Nutty_Flavor said...

Manson is supposedly very charming, in a sick sort of way.

Derek Harvey said...

Molly Ringwald FTW!

VeronicaCostello said...

Patti D'Arbanville-was discovered by Warhol in the 60's, sort of known as a "party girl/it girl" (Cat Stevens even wrote a song about her) and was in Rescue Me which recently ended.

crila16 said...

If the Infamous person she slept with is a negative infamous person, then it's probably 1. Al Capone (died in 1947 though) 2. Charles Manson (60's) 3. Ted Bundy (70's)

LBChron said...

It girl: Lauren Bacall
Infamous person: Hitler, Manson, Castro
Club: Studio 54 or Copa

Nina Roux said...

Haven't posted in a while (new baby!) but Marlo Thomas - the original it Girl (known for "That Girl" but even more so for her activism in the feminism movement. She has not aged at all. But what is she working on now?

Derek Harvey said...

Yeah Hitler was a real party animal at Studio 54. SMH.

Anna Belle said...

I hadin't heard of her & had study Art History & Warhol in college. I just looked at Patti online, she was one of Warhols actress/models, Edie was called an IT girl in the 60's. I don't think she herself was an IT girl though. Looks to be steadily working in TV now.

msgirl said...

Veronica - wow, never knew My Lady D'Arbanville was her!

Anna Belle said...

Also Patti's IMDB pic looks like she has smother skin than me.

N. Twinkie said...

My first thought was Charles Manson. I wouldn't be surprised if the woman was Patty D'Arbonville, she came across more like a groupie than an actress.

msgirl said...

Nina - congrads! Marlo was the first name that came to mind.

Abi said...

Jane Fonda fits - she's been blogging for few years it would seem...

Derek Harvey said...

Marlo has not done any tv shows in years....

veee said...

as numerous folks have stated Clara Bow is know as the first "it girl." that being said, the club that will never be duplicated has to be Studio 54, and i'll go with Patti D'Arb... and Charles Manson.

Count Jerkula said...

One thing about Charlie is he never dishes dirt about those Hollywood parties he was at with his whores.


I'll through John Gotti out there as an 80's possibility.

Purbear said...

@Anna Belle, yes, I wouldn't call her an It Girl either (Edie is a much better fit), but I do think the blind is about her.

mooshki said...

Patti D'Arbanville sure seems to fit. Great guess, and great blind!

L'auteur said...

Patti is a great guess…I don't know why she would be called the "It" girl unless it was her modeling. But she's filming the Manson Girls, so that's pretty shocking if she slept with Manson.

Oopsy_Daisy said...

I'd like this to be Sophia Loren and Benito Mussolini, since her sister married his son and therefore had access to him, but she doesn't fit the tv clues.

I tried to make Alana Hamilton Stewart work, but again, she didn't fit all of the clues either.

Who is an actress who is known for something historically important, still alive, and has worked in a older movie important enough to be talked about again?

Stephy said...

@veee--I agree with you, but not at Studio 54--that came after Charlie's days of freedom ended. Some place like the Whiskey a Go-Go in LA would be more fitting.

Stephy said...

Wasn't Patti a bit party girl in 70s associated with a lot of rock stars a la Pamela Des Barres?

Shopgirl007 said...

It's Molly Ringwald! The Breakfast Club has been all over the news for the past couple of days because they recently celebrated the movie's 30th anniversary. Also Molly has been in "Secrets of An American Teenager" (this is the nice long run on a CABLE television show). And she has been promoting her projects (books) during the movie anniversary.

msgirl said...

Most psychopaths are charming. A woman I know worked with The Green River Killer and said it was shocking because he was "charming".

I'd agree Edie was more of an It girl but Patti does seem like the answer.

Kno Won Uno said...

Mostly television & cable show recently ended are giving me pause.

Shit You Can't Buy said...

@Vera, Candice was also in Will and Grace

Lilidawn said...

"She is known for something much more important in history." Jane Fonda's controversial visit to Viet Nam. Maybe she slept with Ho Chi Minh while there.

crila16 said...

@Shopgirl...I've noticed Molly's been everywhere lately too...but only problem. It doesn't look like she's filming anything new right now though.

loopymommy said...

Jane Fonda/Fidel Castro

Nina Roux said...

Thanks! Tho now I'm doubting the guess...

msgirl said...

Lilidawn - huh1 forgot that line, which is crucial, and Fonda was Barbarella. But she's still on that Sorkin show...

Little Miss Smoke and Mirrors said...

Liza?

Nina Roux said...

Yeah doesn't quite fit after all and can't think of a movie she's known for

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shopgirl said...

What?! Another shopgirl?

Janet296 said...

Stab in the dark here but how about ALi Macgraw and Roman Polanski?

Glitter said...

Was the "IT" girl in the cast of the movie that has been in the news lately?

Kno Won Uno said...

Brooke Shields was born in 1965, so she would have been 6 years old when Manson was convicted. Someone might have noticed, even in Studio 54.

lazyday603 said...

Charles Manson makes sense because he was hanging around Dennis Wilson (lived with him for a while) of the Beach Boys & Terry Melcher/Candice Bergen (it was Melcher's house they returned to to kill Sharon Tate & everybody else there). I hope this isn't Candice Bergen. She and Melcher were living in Malibu when it happened & were understandably terrified for their own safety while the murders remained unsolved.

M. Brown said...

But she looks really old now.

Snapdragon said...

I don't think Molly is old enough, TBH.

I like the Patti D guess, particularly if Manson and "The Manson Girls" (kudos @L'auteur for the info).

Susan M said...

Clara Bow and Hitler and she wore this...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fimages4.fanpop.com%2Fimage%2Fphotos%2F16500000%2FClara-Bow-clara-bow-16579101-1639-2076.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fanpop.com%2Fclubs%2Fclara-bow%2Fimages%2F16579101%2Ftitle%2Fclara-bow-photo&h=2076&w=1639&tbnid=rh9AWdCGzHjzuM%3A&zoom=1&docid=FQP2QE6-kXA9jM&ei=t200U4OXFsnc2gWm84DoBw&tbm=isch&ved=0CLUBEIQcMBY&iact=rc&dur=585&page=1&start=0&ndsp=47

Anna Belle said...

Patti was in the controlversial film Bilitis, when she was young, directed by David Hamilton, his work of young girls is usually considered child porn.

I believe this blind is about Patti.

Shit You Can't Buy said...

@Know Won; Hahhaa just realized the same, so deleted my guess hahahaha

SaintsFan said...

Clara Bow died in the 60s. The only interesting thing she is doing now is laying in her grave.

Tru Leigh said...

I like the Bacall/Castro guess.

AppleThief4Elliot said...

There's no male pronoun for the infamous person, so maybe it's a woman. And let's set our standards for "Enty" and remember that it's probably not going to be Hitler level infamous, therefore, my guess is....
Somebody who slept with Valerie Solanas.

Kno Won Uno said...

Bacall isn't mostly television and no recent cable show. I don't think.

lazyday603 said...

The strange thing about that Clara Bow wearing a swastika photo (assuming it's not a photoshop job) is she started looking bloated by the end of the 1920's and she looks her best in that photo. The Nazi's only came to power in 1933 after Clara Bow's film career had taken a nosedive. The swastika existed before the Nazi's adopted it. Maybe her wearing it has nothing to do with Hitler's Germany.

kpist said...

What about Gina Gershon, she was in Pretty in Pink (which you discussed this week) and she's writing childrens books now

Becca Parker said...

Since Lauren Bacall is Jewish, Hitler it definitely out of the question!

Susan M said...

Maybe it doesn't. And maybe it was a dumb joke I made.

lazyday603 said...

Somebody should buy Enty a copy of Hollywood Babylon. That book should be the Bible for movie gossip writers. The name of the Clara Bow movie that made her a big star was 1927's 'It'. That's where the term "It Girl" begins. 'It' being sex appeal.

lazyday603 said...

Sorry Susan, I wasn't being critical of it. I just found it fascinating to see somebody so familiar wearing that hated symbol. I'm glad you posted it.

califblondy said...

Isn't Doris Day his mother? Hmmm, another it girl. The plot thickens.

Susan M said...

No problem, Lazyday. That book sounds interesting. I wish there was a modern version.

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Principessa Marina said...

It girls from the 60's:

Marianne Faithfull
Twiggy
Jean Shrimpton
Jane Birkin

Did Marianne Faithfull ever star in a movie? She's definitely someone who might have slept with somebody infamous - the others not so much.

Frosty said...

Clara Bow was the first to called "It" girl. Is this an Old Hollywood blind? So confused.

lazyday603 said...

Hollywood Babylon has never gone out of print

If you love Hollywood gossip that book is THE place to start.

Principessa Marina said...

Oh, yes, the second I read the post that suggested Patti D'Arbanville it sounded absolutely right.

She was the muse of several rockers and actors. Cat Stevens wrote a song about her, she had a child with Don Johnson, etc etc.

msgirl said...

lazyday, but even in the late 20s Hitler was gaining power.

kels on a mobile said...

I don't know, but i can tell u I'm a midget aspie scorpio!!! Yeah! I like to mention these things alot cuz i'm proud of it even tho it's like being proud of my shoe size! I also have problems making friends IRL why is that?

MadLyb said...

My guess is Cybill Shepherd, but I have no idea who the guy was.

yesthatwouldbeme said...

who banged moammar gadhafi?

Tina Mallette said...

I think you need to start with what long running hit cable show or shows ended not too long ago.

Dexter is all I got on my brain so far.

Cecilia00 said...

Manson was in L.A. And known to celebrities. In fact, Angela Landsbury gave her underage daughter permission to travel with him back then...

wade-o-potatoface said...

Not to be a pooper here but Manson committed his crimes in the early 70's and Studio 54 did not rise to prominence until the late 70's.

Tina Mallette said...

Problem with Jane Fonda is I think she's been considered a movie actress most of her life.

From NY Magazine
The It-Girls of Studio 54

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/anniversary/35th/n_8550/

WareCat said...

I first read Hollywood Babylon when I was 12, I think.
I still have it.
I loves that book.
Hollywood Babylon II, was aight.

Purbear said...

@wade, maybe I am mis-reading, but it doesn't say the infamous person was at the club, only that the It Girl was telling the story when she was drunk at the club.

8=====D aka Lil Tool. KermitGosnellKnobJockey said...

castro or gadafi (sp) one of the most infamous men in history? No way, they are execrable, but no that high.

I bet on hanoi jane with pol pot. Or Betty White or lauren bacall with stalin (he was kinda cute when he was young, maybe he took his attractiveness from the blood of his victims, Lady Bathory way).

8=====D aka Lil Tool. KermitGosnellKnobJockey said...

Charles Manson was good-looking too. And he could be a magnet for pussies in that years California.

I have no clue.

dash said...

The way the blind is written I think confuses some people. I don't think the encounter took place at the club, but was talked about when she was drinking with her friends there. Candice Bergen kind of fits. For the past 30 years she has been know mostly as a TV actress. Being the daughter of Edgar Bergen, she had easy access to Hollywood and quickly made a name for herself in the mid-sixties. Her first two movies "The Group" and "The Sand Pebbles" starring with Steve McQueen. She was also a popular model. Looking at IMDB she is now working on a movie listed as "Untitled Warren Beatty Project". It's supposed to be about Howard Hughes and an affair he had with a younger actress. The only thing I can't figure out is the cable show. Boston Legal was on ABC, although it's on reruns on TVLand.

So for now, I'm going to say Candice Bergen and Howard Hughes.

fancyscreenname said...

@lady day

HOLLYWOOD BABYLON...got it, thanks!

;^)

Although, I was an avid watcher of A&E back in the day when it showed biographies of mostly old Hollywood. I probably won't b surprised by much of the juice. But it sounds lie a good read.

Lilidawn said...

Pol Pot was in Cambodia

Andrea said...

Why am I thinking Joanna Lumley for the woman.

Jaiden_S said...

I read this as Ally Sheedy.

Vera L- said...

Oh man, I love Hollywood Babylon, even if half the stuff in it was debunked, it's still a wonderful read.

I first read it at 12/13 and I've read it many times since!

amanda_jf said...

Patti with Polanski, not Manson. He liked them young and she was in her teens in those days.

auntliddy said...

8d et al-lets stop this manson shit right oiw. He wasnt remotely charming in the least; he was a scary fuck with access to drugs and his demented female followers that wld screw anyone he said. He was a slovenly unkempt pimp, NOT a charming socio-path.

anon said...

As previously stated, Clara Bow was the first "It" girl.

If it's Manson, it can't be Studio 54 because he was in jail before it opened, I believe. Manson did live with Denis Wilson for a while in Malibu. I seem to remember Wilson being involved with Barbara Hershey around that time but I don't think she's been on TV lately.

Who besides Manson would be considered "one of the most infamous people in history"? Gotti? the NY location would fit 54. Castro? Don't know how he would get to NY w/the embargo. Jim Jones? Nixon? Ew and too funny for the Jane Fonda guess

Studion 54 really seems to fit "the club that will never be duplicated" - places like the Whiskey, while really popular were rock clubs, I wouldn't say they couldn't be duplicated. Don't see how in this day and age, Studio 54 could be replicated.

So these three things stand out:
"When I clicked, I had to blink a couple of times because I thought to myself that couldn't be right. She would never do that. It turns out she would." What the heck does this mean? Is she like turning tricks or something?


And this: "She is an actress who has literally been around forever, but never looks old. She is considered a mostly television actress and had a nice long run on a hit cable television show that ended not that long ago." What long running cable shows ended not that long ago? And what does "not that long ago" mean? Cybil Sheppard was on the L Word.

And this: "She is known though for something much more important in history."

Jane Fonda is known for her famous Viet Nam incident but I'm not sure if her role on Newsroom would be considered a "nice long run". She does fit the part about not aging (well, not not aging but having good work done - she looks great since her face settled). Same with Sophia Loren but I she hasn't just finished up a show.

OK - so while doing some research I nominate Pam Grier. I just recently saw an episode of Unsung Hollywood about her. She's living in Colorado on her ranch raising horses - that could be the thing the Enties is surprised she was doing.

The movie he's going to be doing the future blind about could be Jackie Brown (directed by Tarantino).

She doesn't age and looks great. She was on the LWord

And I think I'm adding OJ Simpson to my notorious list, so him.

Known for something more in history? First black female action star?

This is intriguing - I nominate this for REVEAL status.

it took forever said...

yes please reveal this!!!

Lady Heisenberg said...

I originally guessed Castro but deleted it. Just wanted to note that both Benicio del Toro and John Leguizamo have films coming out this year where they depict Pablo Escobar...

Rose said...

Enty, while you are researching check out dictionary.com and look up the definition of literally.

Sophia Deras said...

There are two women mentioned in the blind. The first is Jane Fonda who is promoting a book and a project with Lilly Tomlin. The second is Candice Bergen. Who slept with Howard Hughes and was talking about it at Studio 54 probably around the time of his death.

Sherry said...

Anon at first I liked your guess but Pam hasn't done a lot of TV. Mostly film.

Hmm..so now I am thinking Candice Bergen. Murphy Brown, Boston Legal. Don't forget she lived in France for a long time with her husband Louis Malle....Maybe her hook up was Jack Nicholson? Sean Connery? Who knows what Enty means by "infamous"? Perhaps John Belushi. She was around so many "infamous" lotharios and was at Studio 54.

While Charlie Manson was indeed "charming" Aunt Licky believe it or not, he was still a little "off". Read Helter Skelter and everyone that met him outside of his girls thought so. Then again...Candice was there at that time

BUT Ted Bundy was handsome and charming so could it be she came across Bundy and was talking about how they did sleep with him but he was found to be a mass murderer?

Ooh just came across a quote of hers about Lee Marvin..Maybe?

I think "it" girl is throwing us off. Anyone who was truly and "it" girl who would have been at the Copacabana in Havana would look old and not be on tv much either.

dash said...

Candice Bergen could be considered one of the first "it" girls after the studio era collapsed in the late 50's/early sixties. Her image was probably created more by her manager and publicist than from any studio. When it came to describing the details of the encounter, I was thinking it had to be a place where few people had access to at the time and most people didn't know about until much later. That sounds like the hermit-like existence Howard Hughes was leading at the time. As for the movie Enty is alluding to with the other actress, could it be "Carnal Knowledge" and Ann-Margaret or possibly "Rich and Famous" and Jacqueline Bisset. The only other one I can see being a possibility is "Sweet Home Alabama" and Reese Witherspoon. Candice didn't make a lot of movies with women who are still active today.

Lilidawn said...

Gotta be Bergan and Hughes, that's my final answer

dash said...

One last argument for my vote for Candice Bergen. Because these blinds are not always clear with its wording, could the historical reference be that she was the first female host of Saturday Night Live? If I read the line correctly I think Enty was referring to something historic she did in entertainment. She would be more known for that than any connection with Charles Manson.

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anon said...

Sherry - I know about the Pam/mostly TV thingy, that's the part I can't make match for her. Still haven't figure out one that matches everything.

I came up with her when I was thinking about Cybil Shepard being on the LWord - she's been with some infamous guys including Elvis. Mostly TV, still looks good. The movie could be Last Picture Show.

Not sure how she fits the "She is known though for something much more important in history" - Fonda's the only one I can think of for being known more being an entertainer for the Viet Nam stuff or maybe for having the first popular exercise studio/video? That was the beginning of the aerobics explosion. But again, she's not mostly TV.

Also, trying to figure out "She would never do that" means.



Sophia Deras said...

Candice Bergen is known for being Charley McCarthy's "sister" and Edgar Bergen's daughter. She was very famous even before she acted. The cable show she was on was Sex and the City which ended in 2008. Which is not so long ago if you have had a career as long as hers.

ichabod absolom said...

I think this is my favorite blind ever. Except maybe the one about the two sisters that were lovers.

ichabod absolom said...

The most important clue is 'known for something much more important in history'...only person I can think of that fits this (that isn't dead like Monroe sleeping w/Kennedy) is Jane Fonda.

Marco said...

Candice Bergen. Don't forget Murphy Brown is known for being TV's first intentional single mom. That was a huge deal at the time. But it's the "something much more important" that Enty referenced.

Dale Gribble said...

Katey Sagal. I personally don't consider her an "IT girl", but I know how Enty sometimes sees things.

Lil P said...

Yay this was my guess too! But who is the guy????

Malibu Borebee said...

D'Arbanville, Manson, Manson Girls. No idea what 'much more important in history' might mean for her.

Charles Manson has been described as charismatic by everyone who has ever met him.

Jade Knickerboxers said...

Whaaaattt? How did I miss that one????

Angela said...

Terry Melcher and Candice Bergen were the actual targets in the Manson murders.
Terry Melcher had listened to Charles Manson for an audition, as Dennis Wilson found him a good musician (he even plagiarized a tune by Manson and recorded it as a B-side) and loved the groupies that Manson attracted. Melcher was a music producer and was part of a duet with Bruce Johnston before he joined the Beach Boys. So, he was put in charge of scouting talents for their label, Brother Records.
Actually, Manson did two auditions for Melcher. The first one went fine, but Manson acted weird during the second one and beat one of his roadies, because he blamed him for the bad performance. So, Melcher explained to the Beach Boys that there was no way they could sign such a mad man.

Manson heard about it and wanted to get revenge on Melcher, or at least give him some warning for turning him down. So, he killed the people who were present at Melcher's old bungalow. At the time, Melcher and Candice Bergen had already moved out to some other address. It's disputed whether Manson knew they had moved out and wanted to frighten them by having the new tenants killed, or if he just asked the Family to kill whoever was present.

Be Adequite! said...

What about Bin Laden....or for way back Ted Bundy

Be Adequite! said...

The BI never says explicitly they did it in the club....just that the story was told by the woman to other people on one or two occasions at the club

FitzroyHipster said...

What Angela said.

Manson had also bragged of attending parties at the Cielo Dr house previously AND had bragged about banging a number of Hollywood starlets (who he never named). There are rumoured missing videos of Family-filmed orgies around the Cielo Drive pool.

Remember he actually worked on the Universal lot for a while as an advisor on a never-made production about a modern day Jesus in the deep south. So would've had access to actresses on set etc.

So you've got that link...the Beach Boys/Melcher & Bergen link...the Angela Landsbury & daughter link...the Universal link...

FitzroyHipster said...

What Angela said.

Manson had also bragged of attending parties at the Cielo Dr house previously AND had bragged about banging a number of Hollywood starlets (who he never named). There are rumoured missing videos of Family-filmed orgies around the Cielo Drive pool.

Remember he actually worked on the Universal lot for a while as an advisor on a never-made production about a modern day Jesus in the deep south. So would've had access to actresses on set etc.

So you've got that link...the Beach Boys/Melcher & Bergen link...the Angela Landsbury & daughter link...the Universal link...

Malibu Borebee said...

You're right about Manson's history with Terry Melcher. It's unlikely that he knew Melcher and Bergen had moved. Some say the Tate and LaBianca murders were done to get Bobby Beausoleil out of jail on the Hinman murder charge and revenge on Melcher was a bonus. No one really knows with Charlie but it's a credible theory.

sugarbread maker said...

cesar chavez is out this week. don't know enough about who's in it. but he was very historical.. maybe something there???

PotPourri said...

Solidly Jane Fonda and Fidel Castro! It would end her career and she doesn't seem to age.

Manson was near celebs, so people expect he would be a star-fucker.

dash said...

Jane Fonda would not be considered a mostly TV actress. She's had two television credits in 30 years. And one is just in production now. And would she be considered a favorite of Enty's? She is either respected for her acting or hated for her politics. I don't think people "like" her for just being herself.

Emit said...

Ok I for sure got this one, I am very very very pleased with myself (sorry), I have never tried @ this for an hour before :/

It's Tatum O'Neil.

"She is an actress who has literally been around forever, but never looks old" Check and check.

"She is considered a mostly television actress and had a nice long run on a hit cable television show that ended not that long ago".

-FX's(cable) Rescue Me 2004-2011. Check.

"She is known though for something much more important in history"

-Youngest ever Oscar winner for Paper Moon. Check

"I consider her to be the first “it girl.” Arguable, but check.

And she for sure hung out at Studio 54

As for who she fucked..you guys help me with that. These are the plots for her two current projects :

"A married Broadway director falls for a prostitute-turned-actress and works to help her advance her career."

OR

"The double life of Methodist minister's wife catches up to her, as her husband campaigns for Mayor in a small New Jersey town."

Damein Bell said...

LIZA MINELLI WITH O J SIMPSON !!

Principessa Marina said...

My money is still on Patti D'Arbanville. She's the only one who has been mentioned on this thread who I think could have been an "it" girl. Obviously Clara Bow was the true original "it" girl but if you're talking 60's and 70's which is the vibe I get here ... then I think it would be someone like a girl who was famous in the Warhol factory like Edie Sedgwick (except they're all dead mostly) or someone like Patti D'Arbanville. Cat Stevens wrote a song about her called Lady D'Arbanville, she hung out with a lot of famous men, had a son with Don Johnson (by the way - her son is absolutely GORGEOUS). Jane Fonda is not "mostly TV." Tatum O'Neal isn't either.

Patti D'Arbanville married a regular guy around 2000 and had some beautiful kids with him, they got divorced recently.

As for one of the most infamous men in history, this also to me has a Charles Manson vibe.

I mean, if you're talking infamy on a worldwide scale, then it wouldn't be Manson, but I think it's Manson.

And whoever this woman is, she wasn't the star of the movie from long ago, she was in the cast...

Another possibility is Rosanna Arquette...but she's not mostly TV.

Principessa Marina said...

I like the Molly Ringwald angle - what is she working on that Enty would be surprised that she is, given who she supposedly slept with?

Also, Enty implied there was a female star of the movie, and this person was also in the cast (sounds like in a supporting role). That wouldn't fit Molly Ringwald in The Breakfast Club.

Never mind.

Emit said...

The CABLE SERIES is key, but looks like that Patti chick was also on Rescue Me! Go figure! And Tatum's current projects don't fit as well as her's so I stand corrected! I have never heard of this chick but you must be right!

Bitchy Woman said...

Alley Sheedy is the It girl
She was a best selling author at 12
Movie she just made is called
Sins of our Youth
Man she slept with was Robert Chambers the Preppy Murder.

Love This Site !

Principessa Marina said...

And Patti D'Arbanville actually was one of the Warhol Girls, she was in a movie of his called "Flesh."

I don't think Ally Sheedy is right - she's not "it girl" enough. She was more considered a member of the Brat Pack.

And if I read the blind right, whoever this is is doing a project right now that, considering this infamous person she slept with (and never talks about it) ... that shocked Enty. So the project seems like it must be RELATED to the person she slept with. Nobody's making movies about the Preppy Murderer...but somebody said up-thread that Patti D'Arbanville is working on a Manson-related project.

Just looked her up on IMDB - Enty's right, she is a mostly TV actress. Odd... I don't remember seeing her in a lot of things (a few guest starring roles on Law & Order, etc) but she's been on a crapload of TV shows.

Stick a fork in it - it's Patti D'Arbanville. She slept with Manson or maybe his pet Charles "Tex" Watson who was the guy who physically committed most of the murders. Tex Watson was tall and handsome and came from a good background ... I can see some teenager girl going for him. And remember that during that time Patti D'Arbanville was in her late teens. She was born in May 1951 and the Manson murder spree was in the late summer of 1969 so if she did hook up with Manson or Tex, it would have been when she was just a teenager.

Plus back in Hollywood in the hippie days, I think the lines blurred, and it was possible for someone like Manson to come into contact with a lot of celebrities.

I don't think Manson committed ANY of the murders himself during that spree ... I think he got off on knowing he could make other people do something that extreme simply by manipulating their minds ... he didn't need to stick knives in people himself.

One of the Manson women was paroled recently I believe. Tex Watson has been in prison since 1971 - he comes up for parole every few years and is always denied. He's next eligible in 2016 - until she died Sharon Tate's mother used to go to every parole hearing, now I think her sister does.

They were all sentenced to death in 1971 but some court case caused California death sentences before 1972 to be converted to life in prison so none of them is on death row.

AndyCane said...

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Hegg said...

Hmmm, I was thinking Janine Turner formerly Northern Exposure, just ended Friday Night LIghts.
She's a whackjob though.

Jou Jou 212 said...
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Jou Jou 212 said...

Ok... On the Patti wagon. The Sopranos could be the cable series that ended not that long ago.

CliffB said...

Doris Day and O.J.

CliffB said...

Doris Day and O.J.

sugarbread maker said...

Janine turner's baby daddy is jerry jones' son.. of the dallas cowboys.. or jerry jones.. she could end up inheriting the dallas cowboys or a chunk of it. she never officially confirmed who the daddy was, but it was someone in the jones family and she is well taken care of.. don't know what she is doing now.

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wahoowifey said...

@lazyday omg...I have that book right here on my shelf. I got it back in the late 80's when I was a teen and have been occasionally picking it up ever since. It's an amazingly creepy read of really old Hollywood gossip.

Always a Bridesmaid said...

I think what we're missing is that there was someone out promoting a new project in the last couple weeks, that was in an old movie with the subject of this blind.

Bitchy Woman said...

Principessa,
YES !!!!!!!
Your Right! I bet it is Tex, he was very good looking.Since she seemed to have decent taste in men I could not see her with Manson, but Tex is a big yes ! What she is known for in history is the song Cat Stevens wrote that song about her. It all seems to fit. YES!!!
I am younger then her but in the late 70's I had a mad crush on Cat Stevens, Don Johnson in the 80's. The pictures I saw of Tex terrified me when Helter Skelter came out, I had never thought a cold blooded killer could look so normal.Manson pic gave me the creeps.Sorry for the O/T

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di butler said...

Jane and Charlie. Or Bergen. I dunno this one.

di butler said...

I would like to think someone would've noticed a six yr old being molested in Studio 54, but I wouldn't assume it. Blargh.

Mungo Bhoy said...

Charlotte Rampling

Longish-time lurker, hiya all.

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