Friday, March 28, 2014

Zac Efron Rebuttal

After my earlier Zac Efron post today it didn't take long for his fans to come out in support. One of his fans did some research and makes some points that are valid so I thought I would reprint his e-mail to me in its entirety.

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This is probably futile and I shouldn't bother but I guess I do.

You said in your post about Efron's career today "He has had chances headlining movies and has failed every single time." - that's just simply not true.

I'm not going to get into his talent because that's a lot based on opinion but if you look at his movies with wide releases (what you call mainstream), he had at least 2 movies which qualify as successes post HSM.

The "golden rule" is an actor opening his movie above $20m is a star and a success (obviously not blockbusters or movies which sell themselves; I'm talking about small or medium sized movies which are sold on the actor).

And Efron has done that with 17 Again (which opened to $23.7 and made $135m ww on a $20m budget) and with The Lucky One (which opened to $22.5 and made $100m ww on a $25m budget). In both movies he was bascially the only draw and main selling point. They are not huge hits but they are moderate hits and definitely not failures.

He had 2 underperformers as lead since HSM, Charlie St. Cloud and That Awkward Moment. But 50% ain't that bad. And his upcoming Neighbors is going to be a success by every indication - critically and commercially.

Indies are obviously different and while they haven't turned out to be successes at the box office, he was still headlining movies which got into Cannes competition and Venice competition (twice). And those are the most prestigious film festivals around. Those are not some random ass indies nobody has heard of but he was working with high profile directors and cast.

Despite not being in a franchise or making many mainstream movies in the last few years, he was still on Vulture's 100 most valuable movie stars list this October (and that took his addiction problems already into account). That's a list which takes a lot of actual research data into consideration and he was actually on that list unlike many of your declared A-list stars.

Anyway, I probably wasted my energy here and this isn't going to change your mind - or Efron's career. And yes, he has a lot of challenges ahead and his addiction will surely cause some problems but his career so far is not the failure you make him out to be.

129 comments:

Lady Heisenberg said...

Enty, did you get hacked by Perez today? Your Zacquisha coverage is concerning me.

Kristin (Wiglet) said...

Dude, Derek. Leave Enty alone about Efron for once.

Wen said...

Looks like Zac has hired the K-Trash PR Team. Bad or good, as look as your keep the name in the press.

LottaColada said...

Ok, which one if you sent this in

sandybrook said...

We wont hold it against someone if they want to fess up to this. Its a reasonable argument which obviously the Enties have a problem with.

Seven of Eleven said...

Um, OK.

All I have to say is... look at that mane!

Cleodacat said...

SERIOUSLY?????

Sugar said...

UMMMMM...... I'm dying to know who wrote this.

Wen said...

LOL Darn spell check- long - not look.

FSP said...

Wasn't me!

Lady Heisenberg said...

Bwahahaha! Derek!!! Was this you, boo?!

Sugar said...

It's from a male. FSP - whoever denied it supplied it. Therefore, I accuse you of penning this wonderful and insightful essay on the lovely Zacquisha.

Lady Heisenberg said...

Stop trying to make A list Efron happen, Derek!!!

FSP said...

Sugar, I thought the writing style resembled JAS.

Renoblondee said...

Lol.

sandybrook said...

It wasn't me, it wasn't FSP, that leaves Jason Charlie Derek Count Harry or JAS.

LottaColada said...

It could be anyone that doesn't comment too.

Sugar said...

Alls I know is that I'm camping out in here until the writer of this identifies himself.

Kristin (Wiglet) said...

D
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skimpymist said...

It was from meee. Kidding no it wasnt but I would be mortified If my email got posted.

Seven of Eleven said...

It's definitely not Count. The word porn doesn't appear anywhere.

Maybe Sav's little sister?

Lady Heisenberg said...

Maybe Enty is sending out an SOS that Zac's "convicted drug dealer of a bodyguard" has taken him hostage?

Wait, aren't there also a bunch of random trolls that come on here just to copy/paste these kinds of stats in defense of certain celebs? I agree it doesn't have to be a regular.

sandybrook said...

Notice I didn't even consider Massive G? Taint male!

Lady Heisenberg said...

H
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Answer us! We need to rule you out Clue-style

Sugar said...

Just checking back. I came here to do two things, find out who wrote this and drink some beer . And it looks like I'm almost out of beer....

Unknown said...

Sandyboo-this is hysterical coming from someone who everyone thinks is a woman.

sandybrook said...

Two words Sugar: boxed wine

Jessi said...

Aw now that's just mean. Why you ridiculing this person? So what, so he is a fan of Efron, we all have our guilty pleasures.


Anna Belle said...

Did Ruth Bernstein's paid for twitter accounts & other profiles attack you enty?

FSP said...

Duh

sandybrook said...

unknown might have a dick but has no balls right pally?

Cleodacat said...

^^^^

Derek Harvey said...

KRISITN! lol NO WAY!!! I could care less about this twink haha. High school musical is not really my thang. File him under the cheesy has beens tween file with the Jonas Bros and Hanna Montana IMHO....good lord lolll

Unknown said...

At least my dick isn't a question mark.

sandybrook said...

But it doesn't work mine does

aemish said...

LOL @everyone in here

Sugar said...

still lookin for the author!

Unknown said...

Your dick works? Since many here think it's missing it really isn't doing the job sandy. The most feminine penis around.

SaintsFan said...

The email was well thought out and written. My only question is, Zac has....fans? I do not know a single one of these elusive creatures.

sandybrook said...

See shithead you might think I'm a female but I KNOW you re a pussy and there's a big difference there. now go run into a corner and cry because I hurt your sensitive female feelings AGAIN! (Mean ole me after all)

Derek Harvey said...

I'm just confused what made this letter so special to post? Zac is really not that relevant. It is well-written and everything just surprised he is on anyones radar..I guess Enty is in love with him!

Linda K said...

Zak just needs to get his s' together. He's good-looking, talented and an addict. Lose the addict and he'll be fine.

sandybrook said...

And unknown once again because you 're kinda stupid and dont comprehend well (look it up) you have a problem with me my blotter page has an e -mail link. instead of wasting these ppl's time show some guts and use it.

Kristin (Wiglet) said...

Derek, but you Efron-Dunham fanfic was moving!!

(my bowels)

Also, Sandybrook has a penis and it's fantastic.

Unknown said...

Look at you using words like pussy! You must get that a lot.

Seven of Eleven said...

Yikes!

Unknown said...

I love it when someone tries to call someone else stupid yet they can't even form a proper sentence.

Derek Harvey said...

@K--until the day comes when Lena is caught buying crack on skid-row there will be letters to Enty from me. I do my fair share of throwing shade at him through the comment section! : )

aemish said...

@Sandy.. I thought you were going on a beer run :p

Ya knowww.. if you're not into boxed wine you could always get one of those Heineken mini kegs..to they are so darn cute and fit in the fridge

Derek Harvey said...

Sandy is all man baby. It confuses people sometimes. Like The Crying Game.

aemish said...

oops, that was for SUGAR.. I got the S right at least :p

aemish said...

thebeerbuzz.tumblr.com/

WareCat said...

Zac Efron ruins everything!!!

Harry Knuckles said...

Didn't write it. But whoever did, they know and love their Zac. Really could be any of the 10s of thousands of readers that come here pretty much every day. I actually don't mind the guy now a days. At 1st, I saw him as just a lightweight pretty boy that would be gone soon enough, but he's been sticking around, working, getting some mature years under his belt (he's 27) and except for that truly idiotic dropped condom stunt he's been handling himself pretty well. ...... Don't have a fucking clue what my point is. Probably don't have one.

aemish said...

@7.. lol that gif is perfect

cool cool cool said...

Yeah @Unknown! Email Sandy! Then post it and his response here for us all to read!

Also, calling someone a "pussy" to mean something negative is highly offensive to everyone with a vagina.

Derek Harvey said...

Ironically I said Zac looks like a pussy in the last Efron thread. Oh-well can't please everyone!

Sugar said...

7/11

aemish said...

teeheee.. i <3 all yall's gifs :p

CocoaBeachBunny said...

Sandy's a girl? Oh hell naw!

Sherry said...

Who made this bloody mess? Jeesus I can't leave you kids alone for one second and you're all over each other? And why is some unknown picking on Uncle Sandyboo? Stop it now and everyone play nice.

*shakes head*

Gotta wonder why Enty WOULD post this...Dollars before sense?

Unknown said...

I think of Sandy from Grease whenever sandyboo comments. That is how I read them. In Olivia Newton-John's voice.

sandybrook said...

Well aemish Imma heading out for happy hour beer run in about 10 minutes.
Cool cool cool how d'ya know what I planned to do the minute unknown e-mailed me with a name attached? :( and doncha think its funny "he's" offended I called Massive G a female??? Huh cool cool cool?

Sugar said...

fighting makes Zac cry.

ecua said...

@Sandy-or Lucas

Unknown said...

Sandyboo how clueless are you? I'm not offended! I just find it hysterical that someone that often gets confused as a woman would throw the same insult out to someone else. You know, like a paradox. ;)



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Paisley said...

The ticket sales for The Lucky One had nothing to do with Zac. It was a Nicholas Sparks movie which comes with a built in audience.

Sugar said...

Anyone admit to this yet?

Fine.....

nancer said...

people find this guy interesting????? i mean, as an ACTOR??!!???

Unknown B said...

Sandy, you dumb bitch, getting your Unknowns confused. I guess more than one of us are wondering about you troll. I'm still not e-mailing you either.

Sugar said...

what about now?

AngieEatACheeseburger said...

Kudos to whoever wrote this.

JSierra said...

My google alert went off for "boxed wine".

I loooove me some Zefron, I will admit to that until I die. How can you hate someone that schmexy? Despite my unbridled love I do not care enough to write an email telling Enty how glorious he is. My heart knows the truth and that is all that matters.

Now someone pass me that box!

Penny Lane said...

Oh hey Zac! Thanks for writing in! Lol

Kristin (Wiglet) said...

Sugar, I love your dedication. I haven't had this much fun following someone's comments since Derek tried to find his way out of BeeHaven's Google Circle.

Jason Blue Eyes said...

Wasn't me who wrote this message. I don't even like the guy.

Sorry all you members of the Zacpack fan club.

Sugar said...

Zac just chattin' on da phone
still waiting.....

Jason Blue Eyes said...

I say we get her to investigate.

Seven of Eleven said...

LOL @ Jason, I saw that as Z-Pak, the antibiotic!

@Sugar

Sugar said...

I'm gonna find you!

Unknown3 said...

Can I email someone?

Unknown B said...

Unknown3, Sandy would love that.

teresa crane said...

LOL Charlie St. Cloud! I forgot all about that movie. The previews looked terrible!!

BeckyMae said...

Wait, WUT? I wake up to find out the Sandybrook is a bloke? Geez, @Derek this truly is some kinda Crying Game shit....pass me a breakfast beer please...or a Mimosa...not fussy...

Sugar said...

Kristin

Unknown3 said...

But Sandy's a bore

aemish said...

lol... me oh my, yall all need to chillax! we all know we'd meet up at the pub for giggles if the opportunity presented itself.. the beefs are just silly but the gifs are hilarious

aemish said...

lol... me oh my, yall all need to chillax! we all know we'd meet up at the pub for giggles if the opportunity presented itself.. the beefs are just silly but the gifs are hilarious

Seven of Eleven said...

@aemish, RIGHT?!

Sugar said...

Zac thinks it's funny too!

Principessa Marina said...

It's well-written and well-researched and kudos to Enty for posting it.

Not to mention, I learned about something new today - the Vulture list!

Jason Blue Eyes said...

Kudos to the writer of this letter whoever it was. Enty's original Zac post was completely biased. If a movie doesn't make Titanic money Enty considers it a flop. If a TV series gets cancelled Enty places the blame squarely on the main actor and writes they "failed." He wrote something similar about Krysten Ritter two weeks ago. It's just Enty's way.

I wonder if Enty gets any letters of support regarding Lindsay? Now THOSE I'd love to read.

Sherry said...

JBE..Silly! Those letters don't exist and White Oprah is too drunk to write any herself.

Sugar said...

Sherry

Jason Blue Eyes said...

Sherry -- actually Lindsay is quite skilled when it comes to writing letters.

Sugar said...

anyone yet?

LowKey said...

@cool x3, don't presume to speak for all vaginas.
I'm not offended by such petty things.

But I'm not a pussy...
;)

Sugar said...

Last chance!

MadLyb said...

Didn't read it. Don't care. However, I felt compelled to post that here.

The kid is fucked up. That is a fact. If he continues the road he's on, he won't be around in 2 years.

sandybrook said...

@unknowns *yawn* go somewhere else to try and build up your self-esteem. Try working and having a life off this board too.

sandybrook said...

Btw hows the weather in Virginia today babe? A bit rainy and cold? Tough.

Lady Heisenberg said...

Oh Sugar. You will always be a major food group in my heartest of hearts

Molls said...

I'm glad you posted the letter. Most people think all of Zac's fans are empty-headed teenagers who believe he does no wrong and love him because...well, he's HOT. However, I've found that he has a few very intelligent fans who really do follow his career and know a great deal about the movie industry.

I also believe that if Zac doesn't allow drugs to drag him down, he will have a great career.

Lady Heisenberg said...

Dammit @Sugar. That one made me laugh so loudly it woke up my bf who is taking a nap! Getting me into trouble!
#chavezday

Lady Heisenberg said...

@Sugar: I have a theory that can hold you over until the real author comes forward. I hypothesize that the writer was Mr. X and this was the sensitive information that Enty would not publish on his own Lol

FS said...

Dear internets,
Somewhere there is a photo of a horse with its mane blowing across it's face and it looks exactly like this picture of Efron. Please, people with great skills and time, please find that photo.


I'll come back to finish reading the comments later, have to cook a roast for dinner.

BeckyMae said...

@FS...this is the closest I could find :(

Efron Mane

CocoaBeachBunny said...

Like this?

BeckyMae said...

That's gorgeous @cocoa!

CocoaBeachBunny said...

Thx @BeckyMae. I don't know who's prettier, the horse or Efron.

Lady Heisenberg said...

Gasp! Oh that glorious mane!

Efron WITH horsie

Animated power80s Efhorse

I personally think about three-word-named (huh!) emo band members, but I like the horsies, cocoa!!!

PotPourri said...

Don't care who wrote it I LOVE IT! I love him too. He is reasonably talented, and a success.

The Original CDAN Reader said...

Ha! WTF is going on? Efron is blowing-up all over the place. That letter was obviously his team trolling the sites trying to do some damage control. I guess his Mgt. could be referred to as a fan? They sure are fans of the percentages they get from him.

Okay…I’ve been hesitating to go here because it’s a tired theory and especially considering today’s earlier comments. But here’s my professional busy-body diagnosis: Z is closeted, it’s eating him up inside and he’s destroying himself. He’s also been working overtime trying escape his destiny as another corpse on the Disney pile.

Zach was damn lucky to headline as many flicks as he did right after HSM when he should have been fast tracked to obscurity. He’s also reminded every day that he’s 1 step away from getting lost in the Crawford/Sommerholder/Pettyfer mash-up. The truth is that there isn’t room for everyone to be on top at the same time. A pretty face with marginal talent? That shit grows on trees in L.A. I think you guys are all “poor baby” because he’s cute with long lashes and a clean-scrubbed lady face. So? If he was FUG like Furlong we’d write him off as another Hollywood casualty and move on to the next.

I agree with some of you that said he should’ve taken the pressure off and aimed lower with a steady TV gig or supporting roles in movies. He’s stuck in the past if he thinks he has a fan base to cater to, those kids are gone and they don’t care if he’s straight or not. Zach needs to go away and just…be gay.

Dude, discover your actual personality outside of Disney image manipulation and bearding gigs. I’m not talking about coming out. Just find out what kind of guys you like. Go on some dates, get your heart broken. Hey, maybe even get a non-horsey haircut that YOU chose on your own? Get some life and real relationship experiences. Zach, you don’t have anything to bring to the table, that’s why your delivery has been flat and lifeless in recent flicks. You are shallow and one dimensional on screen but that’s not your fault because you kids didn’t need major acting chops to crank out those HSM movies. You simply don’t have the tools to carry a feature length film on your own. Unfortunately, the tabloid spotlight is white hot on you right now, so you need to GET CLEAN before you can start navel gazing with cute guys in private.

Alita said...

Not JAS, FSP - he doesn't allow grammatical errors to sully his comments :)

Alita said...

Can't be Derek either - his style is very different.

Alita said...

Nah @Harry, reckon I got your point! Used to consider him another teen pretty boy, etc. I agree.

I assume the author is not a regular commenter - and reckon you wouldn't bother writing anyhow - but stylistically speaking, reckon it could have been from you. If it *had* to be written by a regular, I'd bet you :)

Alita said...

Hahaha @Lady - tres amusing!

Alita said...

I personally don't think they're is anything wrong with admiring someone just for being pretty.

Kanye shrug.

Wendy Davis said...
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Unknown B said...

Shut up and sit the hell down you fucking cunt. If your mom jeans will let you. (You know you were wearing those don't-fuck-me pants before you switched to sweats.)

FS said...

Awesome Cocoa. That's very close to the photo I was thinking of.

Leekalicious said...

@Unknown Yore Stupit and meen
@Unknown B You're just mean.

Unknown B said...

Thanks sweetie

Northbynorthwest said...

OMG, the fact that somebody made serious analysis of the commercial success in an film studies literate tone on Zac Efron makes me think 2 things-
A. that is the most depressing thing I've ever heard as a traditional classical film fan who's utmost passion in life is the quality and substance of performance and narrative in the cinematic arts.
Or B. it's one of Zac's staff or family writing you.

Northbynorthwest said...

OMG, the fact that somebody made serious analysis of the commercial success in an film studies literate tone on Zac Efron makes me think 2 things-
A. that is the most depressing thing I've ever heard as a traditional classical film fan who's utmost passion in life is the quality and substance of performance and narrative in the cinematic arts.
Or B. it's one of Zac's staff or family writing you.

Brian said...

If forced to choose, I would attend a Shia LeBouef movie before I would attend a Zac Efron movie. Shia will be the worse actor in a decent movie. Zac will be a bad actor in a bad movie.

di butler said...

1) salient points
2) I watched 17 Again for Matthew Perry, thsnkyouverymuch
3) I didn't know we got a rebuttal chance here
4) can I do one on Miley Cyrus and how she didn't just "blow off a cancer patient" and how ppl shit on her unfairly on blogs?

AndyCane said...

Totally Hmmmm. RDJ has a raging crush on Zac Efron