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Do you think there will ever be equal pay for men and women?
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Yes once the men who for whatever reason get to vote on this pull their heads out of their asses.
As long as Congress is in recess, which seems like all the time, no. Not until the Dems control both sides will we ever see it.
im not sure. wouldnt have happened by now?
Probably not unless women somehow become the majority of people extremely rich who control and operate businesses.
Nope. As long as people are mad because health care plans cover contraceptives and call women who use them "sluts", but completely cover Viagra and don't call the men who use them "man-whores", there will be no equality in pay or status.
Only if the gender system collapses altogether, rendering biological reproduction and the binary obsolete. Radical feminist apocalypse!! Hide everyone!!
I am paid the same thing my male colleagues are paid. I have never experienced gender discrimination over pay (that I am aware of) To WritergirlinLA, you better PRAY that the Republicans get the majority of the house again and the Senate this go round. This country is going down the crapper with our sitting president and the Democratic Senate!
Not until we get a female president and even then who knows? White men have had a stranglehold on this country since day one and we can see how so many of them refuse to embrace progress (I said many, not all). Equal pay would certainly be progress.
@Seven---so true.
female popstars and strippers (same thing basically) make more than the men...
And porn stars Derek
Male porn stars who play gay make the most money in porn
I've also never been paid less than a man, often I've been paid more. I don't think I've ever been treated badly or worse than a man either. But I don't go around trying to find ways to cry victim so maybe I'm missing all of this terrible discrimination.
Yes because if you personally have never experienced discrimination then it obviously doesn't exist.
When Hilary or Elizabeth Warren become the next President and we have a Senate that is Democratic, and most of the house is murdered on one of their many breaks and the newly elected Congress is 90% Democrat. Then we will have every thing we need to prosper under fairness in this country.
Oh dear Tennis Peach. You must be a Faux News watcher. Tsk. Tsk.
Citing facts is not "crying victim", and just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. These are actual statistical facts, not a bunch of whiny women pretending to be victims.
Nationally, women working full time, year round typically make only 78.3 cents for every dollar a man makes and the size of the disparity varies by state. Women fare best in Washington, D.C., where women working full time, year round typically make 91.3 cents for every dollar their male counterparts make. New York and Maryland follow Washington, D.C. with the ratio of women’s to men’s earnings above 85 percent in both states. Women fare worst relative to men in Louisiana, where women’s earnings represented only 65.9 percent of men’s earnings.
Sadly pay equality will never exist for as long as women are the ones who have the babies.
I think it will eventually happen without the need for legislation as the work and family environment is going to continue to change over the next few decades. With declining birth rates in most of the Western world, employers will have no choice but to start paying women equal to men if they want the best without having to go outside the country and increase immigration. Either male wages will decrease or the female wages will increase or a bit of both.
In my profession, I was paid the exact same thing that the men were who had the same education level and experience.
@Jack Ducky: No. Top female talent can make way more per scene, and if their name is big enough, then they direct and get residuals.
A dude bottoming will get like $1500. A top broad, for a scene w/ all the bells and whistles (DP, ATM, S&M, etc) can get $4-5k. Those are very rare, but still the highest rate I've heard.
I don't see how Congress has to get involved. Everything I read is that it is about negotiated pay. Since women got the pussy, they never fully develop their negotiating skills, since they have mostly negotiated from a position of power. Take away relying on pussy and looks, and they are a rudderless ship in hashing out a deal.
@Astra: +1
I'm sorry, where did I say that because I personally haven't experienced it, that it doesn't exist? Please point that exact sentence out to me, thanks.
And I still think it's whining and attempting to get on the victimhood gravy train.
Bad question. Most of the gender inequality is based on faulty statistics. The largest factor is hours worked but there are numerous other factors such as education. When you adjust then women make 95-96% of what men make (compared to the often cited 77-78%). This may represent discrimination=, albeit of a lesser extent, or simply that there are other adjustment factors which have not been properly provided for. Young unmarried childless women make more than their male peers, largely due to education.
Nope, not untill women understand and know their worth. We accept less than our value from our employer and in our personal relationships. Reading these blinds where women like Tran allow themselves to be degraded is disgusting. Being degraded has somehow become a lifestyle choice to avoid obtaining gainful employment.
X to what D Brown said. Reject the premise of the question. It's not a question of politics but rather a question of choice. Do you choose to get an education or learn a skill or live a life that will allow you to maximize your earning potential?
To those who would politicize this issue, Dems still pay women less than men. Women working in the White House are paid less than men. Senate Dems pay female staffers less than men. Also minority Dem campaign staffers are paid less than white Dem campaign staffers.
^ this x 100.
It doesn't help when female celebs choose to act even more Ho than the lowest porn + hookers combines. (Great examples ladies. They can live whatever the hell they want in their private lives, but they choose a public career - keep shit away from ruining it /adversely impacting the rest of females - not only in pay but how men see us).
At this point, I would just like to get paid not so close to the poverty line. Even with a degree, my city's cost of living and how I'm overtaxed I barely make it.
I should also point out that it is, and has been for a long time, illegal to pay men and women different amounts of money for doing the same work. THere are some exceptions, notably seniority, but those don't eliminate the basic principle.
@D Brown
As someone who crunches these kinds of stats all day, there is definitely a running joke that people don't want to know how the sausage was made.
But the wage gap isn't some myth otherwise there wouldn't be decades of empirical support confirming it. However, gender inequality in pay derives mainly from women being ghettoized in less prestigious and high paying professions, not from earning less in the same job.
With that said, I'm going to try and avoid this post from now on as its already irritating me.
Nothing said by you of course, just this post in general. I didn't realize Enty was really Judith Butler this whole time!
From my past experience, banking, the title is just changed a little. With the addition of a I or II the pay scale can be shifted. Job duties are identical. It is supposed to notate the experience level but that is subjective as there is not an actual measurable in place. But, this is only coming from my experience and not to be inclusive of any other field and or geographical location. Lol.
Um, there already is equal pay.
If companies actually were able to legally pay women less than men for the same work, no men would be working.
Watching that meaningless "78 cents!!!" statistic cited is hilarious, though.
But the wage gap isn't some myth otherwise there wouldn't be decades of empirical support confirming it.
There is not "decades of empirical support" confirming it at all.
D Brown, you are sorely misinformed. When you are talking minimum wage, yes everybody who works minimum wage jobs gets the same pay, above that, it is 100% decided at the discretion of the employer. There are no laws, yet, that interfere with this. Every single office I have worked at has paid women less.
Amartel, this isn't a bootstraps issue either. I have a graduate degree and there are men in my former office who only had a bachelor degrees and still made more than me. No, it wasn't because I didn't have the negotiation skills, nor was it because I didn't work as hard. I trained many of those guys and often had to pick up the slack for them. This is why I left the company and went into business for myself. My story is much more the norm than Tennis Peach's story or Astra's story. The stats show it and many women around the corporate world know this. Those who haven't experienced this are rare. Also, when you look at female CEOs, the few that are there are paid less than their male predecessors and many of their colleagues with very few exceptions.
This is about our society's view of gender and seeing women as faulty or abnormal. It started with Aristotle saying that we are abnormal because of how different our reproductive system is and that view has always stuck. It stuck through Hippocrates, Thomas Aquinas, Freud and many biologists/scientists/psychiatrists keep it going today. Until that changes, there will never be equal pay. That is not whining, that is just the truth.
Great argument Jay! Did you think of that all by yourself?! I'm very impressed. A+
Lady H - would not wish to upset you. Another running joke is Liars, Whopping Great Liars and Statisticians! The majority of people coming out of college today are women and I suspect that the days of male majorities will end, especially in many professions i.e. medicine, law).
Well said Annie!
@Chris, yes that is a very good point about using slightly different titles for the same work. That is what I was thinking about when I said it wasn't illegal. This is exactly how they get away with it. I think that I will follow Lady H's wise idea of now exiting this thread before I get too caught up.
@Chris, just saw your second post, thanks! Back atchya!
Exactly meme, the women our children see as role models do not respect themselves. And, they begin young as evidenced by the tween shows on the Disney channel.
I adore Emma Watson, just watched her in a news clip supporting feminism. She is one if the few young ladies in the celebrity spot light that I have seen act like a lady and make choices in her career that place women in a positive light.
I agree Annie. Exiting stage left.
Not unless women demand it. And I've had to demand it more than once. I wouldn't work for less but only make trouble. When a bully threatens me I threaten them right back, even if they have a penis.
Eventually, when the last prick man dies.
There's not even equal pay for women or men. There's always some suckup that makes more than someone who works hard for a living.
well said x2
"society's view of gender and seeing women as faulty or abnormal"
Except those females who are double jointed gymnast Stripper bdsm expert porn stars. To men those females DESERVE their "equal pay + then some.
I agree with writergirl. And Annie.
I also think if Hilary runs for president, she will get my hands or shit thrown her way because she is a woman. I can already hear the menopause jokes. Ugh.
Ha! A handful of shit*
Thank you autocorrect
I make the exact same as my male co-workers. However, until women stop taking time off to have babies and to raise their kids, things won't be equal. That extra time off, even if it's a few months to 10 years really has an impact.
Women will also have to get more in the tech, math, and science fields instead of the liberal arts to start making more money. It's ironic because more women are going to college than men these days.
+1 Tennis Peach
When pay is based on negotiation, men will always make more because women (generally speaking) are societally conditioned not to speak up or argue. Not taught to negotiate. It's a rigged system, patriarchy.
Anyone who says "Well, it hasn't happened to me so it doesn't exist" on any topic: You are the very definition of privilege. Kindly fuck off.
Also, @Annie Hall, you rock.
LOL @ "patriarchy" boogeyman.
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