Four For Friday - When Fandom Collides With Reality
Many times in shipperdom, the two people wanted together never happens. As much as fans might want it or write fan fic about it, the relationship they want, never seems to materialize. This is why you should stick with Jingle All The Way fan fic. It never lets you down. Anyway, not withstanding what I wrote a sentence ago, sometimes an onscreen couple does hook up in real life too.
He had always had his eyes on her. Even when he had girlfriends, even when he was married. She was spoken for when they were working together and after, and to him she was like a forbidden fruit. Plus their fans would practically hail him as a hero if he did 'get' her. You can blame their on-screen chemistry for the fans who believe they belong together forever even when they were in relationships with other people.
They did eventually get together.
Don't let him fool you, though. He loves himself more than he loved her. His image was more important to him than her. He used her several times: to drum up publicity for his company and panels and podcasts, to appease their fanbase, to name a few. Even against her wishes to keep things private.
Things started going south when he started ditching her for people he barely knew. Party here, party there, game here, movie there. She, on the other hand, was always there for him. One time she flew cross-country to support one of his endeavors but he left her alone in her suite to go out with his friends. Did not even bother to invite her. She was livid. But that did not stop him. He did it over and over and had the nerve to dump her. Worse? He expected her to wait in case he decided to take her back.
After a very depressing few months for both of them he started trying to win her back. She had her walls up this time. She would do things that were good for both of them, but did them for herself and not for him. He started to go off the rails in his public comments about people and fans and started getting the kind of publicity that takes you down and doesn't let you get back up. Apparently the catalyst was her not taking him back as he assumed she would.
Things have gone from bad to worse for them personally and now professionally he is trying to convince the fans that she is an awful person. That the reason they are not together is because of how horrible she is. That he is somehow Mr. Perfect and that she should be lucky to be with him. He throws her under the bus every chance he gets while sleeping with as many of his fans as possible.
The fans all want the show to continue either in a series format or a movie. He has been telling them it is going to happen. He encourages that kind of talk so people continue to fawn over him. When the series or movie fails to materialize, he is going to blame her to really drive a stake into her at least from a fandom perspective.
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Is this Anderson and Duchovny again?!
One Tree Hill? Sophia Bush and Chad Michael Murphy (even though he got married again)? Or Gilmore Girld Lauren Graham and ???
What is shipperdom? Sounds like a euphemism. I'm afraid to google it.
Twin Peaks reboot-Dana Asbrook/Madchem Amick... or David D?(Kyle M is longbmarried.....)didn't watch original not sure who was or if there was a "shipped "couple
Shipping is when fans (or stans) get it into their head that a couple has such good chemistry onscreen that there must be a secret relationship behind the scenes, and they get very invested in the pairing of those two characters/actors, whether or not exists. Fan fic, fan messages, and openly asking the actors about it.
Fan fic, really?
Comes from the original internet ship. Mulder and scully. Short for relationship. I'm old school. Spuffy4ever! Although my current fave is snoop and martha...
Mybe Sherylnn Fenn...
Yep. Some about the characters, some about the actors themselves.
I thought it was from "worship".
"Drive a stake"? SMG and Borenanaz ??
Directioners are all about this. Larry shippers want louie and Harry together so bad.
Scully and Mulder is my guess as well.
Lord, I can't see Gilliam Anderson being any guys doormat.she seems so alpha.
Shipperdom is when stupidheads and twats who live in a fantasy world with no morals and have nothing better to do, wish for their equally stupid idols to have a relationship in real life, regardless if one or both of their fucking idols is in a relationship/married. Ask Lisa. She's a stupidhead and twat shipper. Dont deny it Lisa! If you really believe in your stupidhead fandom, at least own it!
Derek and Tricia13.
While there are crazy "shippers" this site doesn't help by writing blinds about couples that people ship and acting like they couples actually hooked up. There are too many to count. But hey who knows some might have been a one time thing, it happens on movie sets and lord knows most actors/actresses have no morals and cheating is an everyday thing with them.
Hey now @LisaisaT, no need to get nasty. Not sure what you are talking about, but people are allowed to express opinions! You shouldn't be on a blind vice site, you are going to see blinds you don't agree about, but the name calling is ridiculous. You need to calm down, because you sound like a deranged lunatic or better yet, someone who is personally involved.
Probably not even close to being correct, but I'm throwing in Ethan Hawke & Winona Ryder. Back from Reality Bites days.
Yvonne Strahovski and Zachary Levi 100% for sure. She was with someone while they were on Chuck, they dated 2015 from May to beginning of November, he has a company that has panels at comic con, she attended via video this year while he was trying to get her back. He is always out at parties, drinks constantly, flirts with everyone and per Enty sleeps with everyone too. She is back now I think with her original boyfriend from the past who seems like a nice normal man thank god. He is the biggest hypocrite of all.
Clearly X Files. But to whoever brought up GG, with Ritter and Krause in the revive, the only thing better would have been adding Romano.
I think this is about Gilmore Girls with Alexis Bledel
damn, this read as John Stamos up until the end.
If it's Duchovny/Anderson, I don't know why Enty doesn't think there will be another season?
Zachary Levi has or had the following that Yvonne Strahovski has participated/ supported: panels (NerdHQ), company (NerdHQ formerly The Nerd Machine), podcasts (Picking Favorites, which is no more)
what company, podcast or panels does duchovny have?
I'm with NoLove...def Levi and Strahovski...
He's still trying to sell the fans that there might be a movie to continue the story too.
If this is really Zach (and it appears so) I don't understand him having those mind games with women. Unless, you're completely delusional in thinking that you're so desirable that they can't so no to you, or you're closeted and you do those crazy things to protect your image.
NARCISSIST. BY CLINICAL DEFINITION.
FUCK HIM
I also think one of Levi's friends or associates must leak this to Enty as Enty knew about details from Levi's marriage as well as how Levi made some fake twitter accounts to harass others.
OK my guess is the Vampire Diaries people whose names I cannot be bothered to know.
@MontanaMarriott i doubt this is about The X-Files
Does Enty ever write about any other "shipper" couple?
Castle or TVD
@nancer. None. He doesn't have an acting career, either. ;) That said, the negotiations for season 11 of "The X-Files" have, indeed, stopped - Anderson is booked for many other projects and I bet they will be better than any of Carter's mediocre writing. And whoever thinks she would pine for duchov needs their head examined. LMAO
I understand that most of them are gay but not necessarily dating each other anymore. I think the Irish one is straight though.
Yeah 100% Zachary Levi ......... what a bastard treating her like that,and at Comic con in july if shes nowhere to be seen you'll have your answer
Last year she flew in from thailand to support his panels at nerd HQ and did his podcast's Twice
I never shipped "Zachonne" but I have been a long time supporter of Chuck and its cast. I am so disappointed in Zac if this is him.. sad that the clues seem to point to him. I have been disappointed at him all year because of his Twitter outbursts acting like he is better than everyone. What did me in was his childish and insensitive comments about women in one of his interviews. Normally I would have defended him but my view of him has soured so much that it does not surprise me he is the popular guess here. I admired him so much when he spoke about kindness and passion but I guess I have seen the light now. Somehow I feel like I have been deceived like how it sounds like he used Yvonne and their relationship for his own gain.. Played the fans for what he thinks we want.. and some fans "worship" him for it. I hope he does not lash out again on Twitter..
I feel for Yvonne if this is true. She has her flaws, she can be crude and is not as outgoing as Zac but she always seems so down to earth and genuinely appreciative of her fans. Reading this blind, it astounds me how well she is handling the mean messages she is receiving online. To add to that she was still there to present Zac an award very recently, for a cause that she, other celebrities, and a lot of volunteers contribute to one way or another. I hope she finds happiness and I wish her well in the future.
I am really hoping to see Yvonne have her own panel again at Zac's Nerd HQ.. I had been to one of her panels and she has such a warm presence. But I would not hold it against her if she chooses not to get involved with him closely again. I am sure she will find other ways to continue supporting good causes.
I hope you excuse my long comment. I feel strongly about this and the thought that it could be about someone I used to support.
Tl; dr: I am disappointed in Zac but I am not surprised that this might be about him.
I'm with some of the others. Definitely Zachary Levi and Yvonne Strahovski. Some of his actions lately are a classic narcissist. He also like to bait fans and done some pretty nasty things to Yvonne. Looks like she is back with her old boyfriend Tim again and has finally kicked Zac's sorry ass to the curb for the last time.
It definitely fits Zachary Levi and Yvonne Strahovski, particularly with the business, panel, podcast stuff. But, I haven't seen anything on his twitter that is turning fans against her outright. I do see fans trolling her, so maybe reading between the lines?
The irony is that his fans adore him because he makes himself accessible to them. I see it a different way. He does it to bathe in their adoration. He also parades his religiosity to cover up his faults.
The quickie marriage and divorce a few years ago spoke volumes.
"Shipping" is rooting for a relationship between any two characters or people -- in fiction OR in real life. It's not exclusively imagining real life people together.
Yes, lots of fans cross into real-life-shipping the actors, but many many keep it between the characters they play.
For example, a lot of X-files fans shipped and wrote stories about Mulder and Krycek together, but I never saw any evidence people shipped Duchovny with Nicholas Lea in real life.
I agree. This all clearly points to them. Zac certainly has issues and the quicky marriage disaster points that out in spades. But what bothers me is she is taking the brunt of the "trolling" on her social media which is incredibly unfair but points to the other things mentioned here. Its almost like his minions are lining up to blame her and defend him as the victim when nothing could be further from the truth it seems. An honorable man wouldn't let this happen to someone he supposedly loved.
I just hope the new generic blonde he has been seen with is well aware of the kind of man he truly is and Yvonne stays far far away from this manchild with an obsessive need for attention and adulation from his fans.
Snoop and Martha!!!!
@WickChick
He dropped some hints on Twitter acting like a victim. He retweeted a quote about how a woman left a mess in his heart and at some point kept talking about depression. He had also been retweeting quotes about love and getting hurt. Before that he retweeted an old quote about how people in relationships can either stay together forever or break up. It sounded so smug and insensitive. But all these are way down his Twitter timeline because he talks too freaking much.
He was also quoted saying that 'women killed chivalry' in an interview in which he sounded very smug and bitter like a f**kboy.
He clearly has issues from the get go.
Between this blind and the other reveals about him, it makes me wonder if he has anything to do with the abuse that she has been getting on social media. He and his minions attack anyone who dare to disagree with him. The trolls who attack her attack him too but not as viciously and could be a way for him to avoid suspicions and get more sympathy. He gets a lot of 'You are so awesome' messages from his die hards. They basically worship him like some kind of god.
Shame on him because he likes invoking his faith all the time. What a hypocrite.
Give one example of where Zac has said anything negative about Yvonne publicly or where he's "gone off the rails" saying anything negative about anyone. She was just in LA for his OpSmile benefit a few weeks ago - would she have gone if he treated her this badly? This sounds completely invented. Why should we believe any of it?
He dropped some hints on Twitter acting like a victim. He retweeted a quote about how a woman left a mess in his heart and at some point kept talking about depression. He had also been retweeting quotes about love and getting hurt. Before that he retweeted an old quote about how people in relationships can either stay forever or break up. It sounded so smug and off. But all these are way down his Twitter timeline because he talks too freaking much.
He was also quoted saying that 'women killed chivalry' in an interview in which he sounded very smug and bitter.
He clearly has issues from the get go.
Between this blind and the other reveals about him, it makes me wonder if he has anything to do with the abuse that she has been getting on social media. He and his minions attack anyone who dare to disagree with him. The trolls who attack her attack him too but not as viciously and could be a way for him to avoid suspicions and get more sympathy. He gets a lot of 'You are so awesome' messages from his die hards. They basically worship him like some kind of god.
Shame on him because he likes invoking his faith all the time. What a hypocrite.
Between this blind and the other reveals about him, it makes me wonder if Levi has anything to do with the abuse that she has been getting on social media. He and his minions attack anyone who dare to disagree with him. The trolls who attack her attack him too but not as aggresive. Could be a way for him to avoid suspicions and get more sympathy..He seeks attention often and gets a lot of 'You are so awesome' messages from his die hards. They kinda worship him like some kind of god and he loves it.
Shame on him because he speaks about his faith all the time. What a hypocrite.
Call my crazy but I still don't see how he is responsible for what internet trolls do! And I ask again:where has he personally attacked anyone, anywhere? I've only been a fan for a few months (since She Loves Me) but I've read a lot about him and watched a lot of NerdHQ videos- he seems like a genuinely nice guy (and really talented). Yes maybe he depends on fan love a bit much (and I worry about his barhopping!) but why are people blaming him for crazy fans thinking he owes Yvonne something?
@JAH
They never confirmed anything about the relationship afaik but Levi dropped some hints on Twitter acting like the victim. He retweeted a quote about how a woman left a 'mess' in his heart and at some point kept talking about depression. He had also been retweeting quotes about love and getting hurt.. Before moping he retweeted an old quote about how people in relationships can either stay forever or break up. Came across as insensitive. But all these are way down his Twitter timeline. He just talks too much.
He also that 'women killed chivalry' in an interview in which he sounded very smug and bitter. It disappointed some fans.. That and his previous tweets sent several waves of trolling towards Yvonne blaming her for his behaviour. Even now that it seems that they have both moved on she is still getting attacked on social media. Seems like him parading his bruised ego to their crazy shippers is to blame. Their shippers are at a different level of cray cray and since he said he reads all tweets to him I am sure he is aware of it..
@jah yes, and enty had a blind that seemed to be him that said he had multiple twitter accounts that attacked anyone that attacked him. Not a big stretch to say that maybe he is behind those troll accounts.
Also, remember enty revealed that his very short marriage ended because his wife found out that he cheated on her not with just one person, but multiple - and that was in a period of less than 6 months. I think basically he has a cheating problem, a self esteem problem and you are right - every other picture on his instagram is a bar/alchohol photo.
And she gets a much higher number of trolls attacking, and she basically has never mentioned anything about a relationship or anything that could be remotely snide. They attack her just because she moves on and dates when they are obviously broken up.
He has a lot of good qualities and is talented, but the way he presents himself vs what his behavior shows are just light years apart. I also think he really does have a close "friend" that must be leaking this stuff. It doesn't seem to be from her side because the blinds started during his separation of his marriage/before his divorce, strahovski would not have any reason to leak stuff then.
I used to be a big fan of Zac too. I lost interest because his Twitter tirades are a turn off. I expected better of him. He speaks a lot about being kind but don't you dare tell him he is wrong. He can be utterly condescending in full view, and his loyal fans pat him on the back for it. I remember that time he got into a spat over selfies. Some of his fans went to troll the other person and it went on and on and it is not just that. I have seen it far too often and the level of fanaticism disgusts me so this blind does not surprise me that much. I am done with him and his onion-thin skin.
I’m just going to add more of the same to this, but anyway.
I used to be a fan… I can no longer stand the sight of him.
I encourage anyone to take a step back and look at what he says and does in an unbiased way and you will start to see very clear cracks in his veneer of ‘kindness’.
I do not dispute that he has a fantastic singing voice and lots of talent, but from where I’m standing that’s where it ends.
He is self righteous, selfish (if his failed marriage and this blind is anything to go by – and it is!) and condescending and yes, he turns his fans on you while standing back and saying that wasn’t his intention. He knows how to play the game, I’ll give him that.
I also acknowledge that he has done a lot for Operation Smile, however isn’t it funny that he has managed to turn it into a money making venture for himself? He has used his support of that charity to build his own ‘brand’ and name, and turn a profit. I know, i’m being very controversial (and cynical) here ;). But, he calls on his friends to donate their time to the cause (which they do) and then he leverages his merchandise and elevates his own name off of it, so, basically - everyone gives, but he’s the one that gets A LOT out of it. Especially because his fans look and say "oh wow, look at how generous and giving he is". Win win for him. His failed attempt to raise fan funding for the Nerd HQ event and his subsequent tears (and how he held the Chuck movie hostage over it) a couple years back was enough to make me re–evaluate. (Just to recap… he was trying to raise funds to put together a fan event where he could then raise funds… for charity, AND make a nice profit for himself off the merchandise sales that come from it… and throw a party for his friends, and raise his company profile).
As for the question about why Yvonne would go to that gala event if he had really treated her that badly. For a number of reasons. Firstly, that award was for The Nerd Machine. Not Zac. She supports the Nerd Machine and Dave Coleman is her friend (you just have to look at their long warm hug onstage to know that), also, as someone that has raised lots of money for Operation Smile herself and is a strong supporter of the charity, she not only was the obvious choice, she was the right choice to hand over the award. Aside from that, a nice by-product of her attendance was that it helped protect the fandom a bit (while Zac likes to claim he is the champion of all things Chuck, Yvonne makes sure to always do right by the fans, case in point how she did not show her hurt over how he mistreated her, on social media or by lashing out in any way. You only knew there were problems when you saw the weight loss - something that happened with Missy as well I may add - and the overall sadness that she had trouble hiding at events.)
In the 6 weeks preceding the Gala, Zac was at his most whiney online, with all sorts of jabs, (I now assume that this is because he finally realised that despite his arrogant expectations to the contrary, Yvonne did not wait for him to be done doing everything else he deemed more important – like parties and hanging with friends), Yvonne attending that event and giving that prize forced a change in his ‘woe is me’ attitude online. He had to start being ‘nice' to her again, or the fans would have been on him. In any event, I find it maddening that Yvonne is being vilified online at the moment (and all year really), while the real problem here, the guy that caused the hurt and rot, gets praised and adored and defended. It’s ridiculous.
I think Nerd42 nailed why she attended the charity event.
She's not the kind of person who would turn down something that is ultimately about the charity.
But, if you notice, she never once was seen attending his show "She Loves Me". She attended the previous one and even posed for pictures. But, not this one. Some might say, "maybe no one saw her, but she was there," But, there were Chuck fans at every performance. Someone would have spotted her.
I've been following Zac on Twitter only since July so I don't have the history you all do (though I have read back through his timeline) but I have never seen the mean or whiney tweets you mention. I also think you can color or twist his actions any way you want. He's trying to start a business - what's wrong with promoting it? (And benefiting from it- that's what a business is for!) He'd be an idiot if he didn't do everything he could to promote it! He's using it as an opportunity raise money for a cause he cares about (and if my own internet explorations are correct, one that a close friend of him has a very personal connection with.) I think you people are reading a LOT of your own interpretations into things that you have no personal knowledge of (or maybe you do - but it doesn't sound like it!) - weight loss? please. They are actresses. They have to be thin to work. We don't know why his marriage failed. On other gossip sites I've seen people theorize that he's gay and the marriage was just a cover (claimed by people who claim to KNOW this, just the way the people here claim to KNOW what Zac is like in person.) I've read that "Enty" is a reliable source and I have no reason to doubt it, except that most of this blind just sounds like speculation and interpretation, not fact that can ever be verified. I'm just a fan, only ever met the guy outside a stage door, but I'm still not buying that he's such a terrible guy. Immature, maybe, not the most skilled at building a business (why should he be?) - he's acknowledged his misstep with the crowdfunding. I've made a lot of mistakes in my personal and professonal life - thank goodness I'm not under the kind of microscope he is.
And I will admit that I don't want this to be true - I want to keep thinking well of him. But even so, I'm not convinced!
Sorry, one more thing, for now. Maybe I don't understand social media but where are all these terrible fans trolling Yvonne? I've looked at her Twitter and instagram, and I see a few people who still ship the two of them (some of them post on his SM too...) they seem like people who can't separate out fiction (Chuck) from reality. I am not seeing people attack her for breaking his heart or whatever.
I don't know why I care - I'm' a middle aged woman who on a very few occasions has gotten too wrapped up in celebrity crushes. Maybe I feel a little maternal toward him - he seems like a really nice person who has done a few things he probably regrets. He's in the entertainment business - seems like par for the course that his ego would be wrapped up in what people think of him and say about him. I just don't see the evil intent or fundamental bad character that you all are ascribing to him.
I don't think anyone has used the term "evil". In fact, most people have acknowledged he has good qualities.
He has many long-term loyal friends, is close to his family, is charitable and very nice to his fans and co-workers.
But, A person can be great in many aspects of their life, yet be lousy to have a romantic relationship with. Doesn't make them evil.
WickChick, fair enough, nobody used the word "evil". But the original post here paints him as a truly selfish and unkind person, and other commenters seem to agree, using words like narcissist, nasty, hypocrite, bastard... where's the evidence?
@JAH
So what are you implying? That we are s
liars? That we are seeing trolls that are not there? Just because you don't see such posts on social media, or choose not to see the patterns does not mean that they are not there. You are also missing a lot if you are just reading down his Twitter timeline. It was very different watching everything unfolding.
If you feel "maternal" towards Zac since this year and you feel hurt by this blind, then try to put yourself in the shoes of the fans who feel maternal towards Yvonne. She has been called worse than what Zac has been called here, for so long and more often. I don't know where you are looking but the trolls are still attacking her and they are more agressive than ever. Surely I and the others who commented about the trolls have not been hallucinating??
You haven't been in the fanbase long enough to see the harassment that Yvonne has endured on social media over the years just because she dares to live her life with anyone that isn't Zac. The way I see it, I wouldn't say it's about "people blaming him for crazy fans thinking he owes Yvonne something". For me it has always felt like these "fans" push Yvonne to be with him because she owes it to the fans and him, then turn on her when they don't get what they want. It makes me sad and angry all at once. The Chuck fanbase can be a family but there seem to be a lot of rotten apples.
You also haven't been in the fanbase long enough to have seen "fans" practically labelling every person who disagrees with Zac as a "bad person".
You haven't been in the fanbase long enough to have seen the rollercoaster that is Zac's Twitter account. I used to be maternal towards Zac like you are now. I invested time, money and effort doing everything I could to help save Chuck. When the show ended I continued supporting his causes, watched his plays, even when I started noticing that things seem to have changed in him. You have no idea how it felt to read tweet after tweet, topic after topic and keep thinking "You're better than thisZac". It didn't take just a day or series of tweets or just one interview for my view of him to sour like this. Yes he still has some good qualities. He is charming, he supports charities, he is nice to his fans and for a while I had prayed that his social media behavior was just a phase, maybe he was just having a bad month... but for a while now I see a Zac that I no longer recognize. I am still somehow hoping that this is just a phase, that this is not about a "fundamental bad character" that you say, and most of all I pray that his success has not completely consumed him.
Kaye, I hear you. I can't argue with you that I haven't been a fan for very long and will acknowledge that just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't there. So if what you and others say is true, that Zac is actively or tacitly encouraging people to attack Yvonne, that he sleeps around, that he's thinskinned and even has fake Twitter accounts to attack anyone who is unkind to him, is that why his career seems to have suddenly stalled? (Or is this normal for any actor's career - I have never followed anyone as closely as I have him.) He had a ton of TV shows last year, then Broadway, and now suddenly he's shooting what looks (to me) like a crummy B movie, with nothing A-list coming up. All I've seen in his social media timeline for months now is a lot of nights out drinking - is that because he has time on his hands, or does he have a drinking problem and that is affecting his ability to get work? (I will also add: I met him at the She Loves Me stage door and again at Sunday in the Park and he was SO NICE!)
@JAH honestly, I think it is just the ups and downs of a career. I think he always has a possible broadway show in his back pocket. And I will give him credit, when he does work, he seems to show up everyday and give his all. Now if his drinking causes him to miss call times, etc. that is something, but so far work does not seem affected. I think he is doing the B movie because the lead actor who is also a producer on the project is a client of his manager and/or publicist and he is friends with him. You will notice that type of thing a lot, like the charity thing he did in Chicago - he, Retta, Jai Courtney they are all connected some way via managers and publicists. Anyway, I think his career like most careers will have ups and down. I do think one of the reasons he first broke off with Yvonne was because he had two NBC shows coming up and he was going into a high-profile (for broadway) musical in NYC. He was riding a high and thinking he was going to have tons of fun in NYC as a star of two TV shows and why be tied down. Then both shows crashed, and while he experienced Broadway success, that success is on a much lower profile nationwide.
Look, I think you can see from others posts, some fans are so hurt because they were like you, they really thought he was special and deeply connected with him because of how he presented himself as a person. Then to see cracks in that behavior kind of broke their hearts. Hey, he is a human being that makes mistakes, but he just seems to have no awareness that his behavior is hypocritical to the max. And yes, Yvonne has taken 10x the abuse and her behavior seems much more "normal". She makes mistakes, but she just doesn't present herself to the fans in the same way and her mistakes don't seem to be so selfish, they are just part and parcel of being a human. If you are a fan of Zac, stay a fan, but I think for your own health it would be better to dis-invest yourself from him in a personal way Just concentrate on his actual work, because I don't think the stuff like his constant cheating is going to go away.
NoLove, thanks for putting it all in perspective. I will remain a fan, and I can't control my celebrity crush - it will just have to burn out in its own time! It looks like Alias Grace may not come out for another year or more, so I won't have anything new to feed it for a while! But may I ask, how do you all KNOW he was dating Yvonne last year? There is nothing I can find online on mainstream sites about it. Commenters here have access to inside knowledge somehow, and I'm just curious to know a little more about where it comes from!
JAH, hi! I am a fairly recent Zachary fan (fractionally less than two years). On first impressions he does come across as pretty perfect, I now recognize that he is not, but as people go he still is better than many.
He has a lot of maturing to do and does seem to time his relationships at times when work is lean, dropping his significant other when work is more fruitful (leaving him free to enjoy being single?)
Many of his core fan base really seem to gel with his 'devout Christianity' to be honest this has been more of a turn off to me, purely as while I have absolutely no issue with anyone's faith I believe it is something that is better left on a personal basis. It also backfires for Zac as it leaves him wide open to be accused of hypocrisy.
In respect of hints picked up of a relationship with Yvonne, social media clues were there. A Heroes Reborn co-star, Gatlin Green tagged Yvonne in as being at her birthday celebration in Torono. Zac and Yvonne were also seen in Toronto buying video games. Yvonne travelled back from Thailand to attend Nerd HQ 2015. Yvonne tweeted on the lines of the best thing was spending time someone you love, the very next morning Zac tweeted a selfie with Yvonne on a beach. Zac's publicist tweeted a photo of Zac and Yvonne at a Dodgers game. Yvonne put a picture of Zac on Instagram of Zac crossing a bridge. Add to that a very loving message from Yvonne to Zac For his 35th birthday and his response.
There are other things, nothing proves a relationship but it certainly might be interpreted as such.
The relationship would seem to have ended very shortly after the sudden death of Zac's mother, who knows how that impacted on him.
@jah yes, neither one said they were dating, but there was a major change in how they interacted in public, and the thing that convinced me was after being in Thailand for a month she went directly to NerdHQ where they hung out a lot (different from previous years) and then instead of going hone after being away so long, she travels to Toronto and spent time with him there while he was filming - if just friends there is zero chance she would have done that.
I actually find the marriage thing and accusations of cheating on his wife more disappointing but fans of her do not crossover like Yvonne's do obviously do it kind of got lost and he never was really impacted by it publicly
The most excited fans got was when they were seen at a Dodger game together in mid-October of last year. It actually got some media coverage. That kind of set fan expectations up for more appearances. But, when Thanksgiving and Christmas rolled around...nothing. So, it seemed to end sometime after the Dodger game.
Strong circumstantial evidence lol! It's been fun talking to people who pay as much or even more attention to Zac than I do (in my real life I can't admit I have a crush on a tv star)! I still think he's a fundamentally good kind person who might have a little growing up to do, vs a jerk who pretends to be nice to get adulation from fans. YMMV.
JAH, that sounds a fair view point, I hate character assassination, we are all flawed ;)
"The relationship would seem to have ended very shortly after the sudden death of Zac’s mother, who knows how that impacted on him."
Hi. I feel like I should point out that Yvonne was there for Zac when his mother passed away. The bridge photo mentioned here was taken while he was dealing with loss, and I think it is safe to say that Yvonne was there for him through the good and the bad. It is a shame that it seems that he chose not to make her a part of what he thought would have been the best part of his career so far.
And while I am at it, I'd like to comment on this:
"weight loss? please. They are actresses. They have to be thin to work."
Firstly, I think that it is a sad state of affairs to have to say that actresses "have to be thin to work" (though of course in some cases it would depend on the role), and fans believing that as a general idea is part of the problem. Secondly, Yvonne was not working at that point; she started working only six months later. What exactly would she have to lose weight for? I totally understand what Nerd42 is saying because I worried about her when I noticed that she looked gaunt. She normally takes care of herself, stays healthy and active, but that change in her, including her retreat from social media, was worrisome for me. (Yes, I am one of those fans who feel "maternal" toward Yvonne.) Maybe if you considered that we are following Yvonne's career and social media channels as you do with Zac, then you'd consider that maybe we know what we are talking about, as far as her well-being is concerned.
Thanks.
AY thanks for explaining. I have learned a lot from this discussion. We fans can only do our best to draw conclusions from what we can see from a distance, and we might reasonably draw different ones. You've given me a lot to think about. I wish them both all happiness (and while I don't ship them at all, I hope they stay friends because they seemed like they really liked each other.)
For anyone still reading this thread, do you have an opinion about whether the movie theater showing of She Loves Me will help his career? I have to believe that it will show that he can be a leading man on a big screen! (OK I WANT to believe it...) Or is a Broadway musical just not of interest to the people who cast big films?
She Love Me and the Tony nomination can't hurt, who knows, Zac clearly has aspirations for a role in a blockbuster. He apparently nearly got the Starlord (Chris Pratt excelled) Sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for, he makes a good living, his personal life would come under far greater scrutiny if mega famous, as it stands his name recognitition remains low, particularly outside the US
It does seem like he really wants a Marvel or other kind of superhero movie - that's what he loves most. I think his talent is better suited to rom-coms, personally. (I started to write one for him a while back!)
I concur that he would be great in a rom on, sadly the tropes so often used have practically killed the genre. We will have to see what happens, thankfully despite the negativity of the above blind Zac would appear to remain a hardworking cast member, with no 'blinds' about diva-like behaviour
Yes, and I'd imagine that would make him much less castable! There are so many things he COULD have been cast in that would use his talent perfectly - the Hairspray live event, the new movie La La Land ... I just wish I understood what behind-the-scenes things affect how these decisions get made. I was rewatching She Loves Me tonight, and his performance is really remarkable in that he creates a character completely different from any other he's played - he's almost unrecognizable. He's such an ADULT in that show (despite the goofy laugh and grins he puts on.) And the reviews he got for First Date were spectacular. I never saw it (as I said, never heard of the guy til June of this year) and absolutely LOATHE the songs. But c'mon, he is SO TALENTED! Cast him, world, so I can see him on screen or on stage, not in blind items criticizing him!
Dear JAH, I don't think you have to worry about this affecting his career. There have been negative blinds here about other actors but their careers are still going. I am more worried about the other parties that this blind may be about. If this were true, how did/does it affect them personally and professionally? And even with this blind item the trolls are still choosing to attack her. In retrospect, even after his divorce, poor Missy had to endure the shipper trolls and the fans who refused to acknowledge that he might have been at fault for that wreck. For some of his fans and the trolls Zac is godly and untouchable... Yvonne, Missy, or any other person be damned. There really are some fans who care only about him and not think of others, and try to twist things so he always comes out as the good. Some of us Chuck fans are used to it but that doesn't make it okay.
I agree, not OK at all! I will never understand trolls in general - they treat people as if they have no feelings and deserve whatever abuse the trolls feel like heaping on them. Is Zac unusual in that his fans are more rabid than most? (I'd imagine Brad and Angelina each have crazy troll fans who attack the other one...) It does seem like he goes way more out of his way to cultivate his personal connection with his fans via NerdHQ, stage door appearances, etc, than other celebs, so maybe it is different with his fans? I also still don't understand why anyone thinks it's their business who dates who, and why they confuse fiction (Chuck) with real life even five years later! And the people who think they have the right to assign blame in the ending of a relationship of people that are, let's be real, complete strangers to them. It's hard enough to know who's at fault in your best friend's marriage or, let's face it, your own!
Are the trolls on Instagram? Twitter? or somewhere else? I've been looking to see this trolling of Yvonne out of curiosity (and maybe to stick up for her) but can't find it!
@jah the trolls used to be on twitter but now seem to stick to Instagram, you can usually catch a couple posts a day, but then they are usually deleted, I assume by her, they usually call her a cheater (despite these blinds that point to him as cheater) they sometimes mention her friends as being against Zac, but mostly it is calling her a cheater. I don't think sticking up for her does much good as the trolls just get excited by that, they like attention. Yes I am sure lots of stars have trolls but if you are Beyoncé or something and have thousands of comments it can be assumed the star does not read it. Angie and Brad don't have social media, but of course they deal with gossip rags. For Yvonne I am pretty sure she reads them and it must get tiring to see somebody rip into you everyday
Well I hope somebody is deleting them for her so she doesn't have to see them. She seems like a wonderful person. I just started re-watching Chuck with my daughter -- she is watching it for the first time and loves it. I think Yvonne is a very underrated actor – she's so good in it! I need to go find other things she's been in. I'm not sure I can stand to watch Dexter, so it will have to be something else!
Watching This Is Us -- Zac is the right age (36) -- wonder if he had a shot at. It. Also would love to see him in Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. I'm just blathering now.
La La Land? Sorry but no. I have seen everything Zac has been on and he's nowhere near as good as Ryan. This Is Us? I can't see him in that role too. Sure he's good in stage musicals but if you bring him to the screen, especially if you give him a role against type, he falls flat. Chuck is the only exception to that because he basically played himself. His range is limited. Just check out Heroes Reborn. He ruined that for me.
@JAH
I'm sorry but your posts are frustrating! I thought you heard what we are saying but I feel like what we have raised here have already slipped your mind..
Try to understand where we are coming from.You have met him twice and have been following him since July. I have been following his career AND Yvonne's for YEARS. BOTH of them! Do you know what fans like me feel about this? Let me tell you that I have heard strong whispers in the fanbase about their supposed relationship.. about how he might have mistreated her but his fans and crazy shippers were giving her hell for daring to move on from him. Even now after this blind was posted, the trolling on her social media accounts seem to have intensified! What are we supposed to think? And yes! The trolls are there! Can you not see? Or are you choosing to ignore them? What are we seeing, then?
You are worried about how a blind item could hurt his career. But me? I am appalled at the thought that a man I used to care about and support MIGHT have badly hurt a woman who I still care about and support. Both Nerd42 and A.Y. talked about her weight loss which you were quick to dismiss and mock! I saw that "weight loss" too and I don't think she lost weight for work! Of course I care about her career and reputation but that time I was more worried about her health and more! I was worried that she might have been so depressed after being hurt by person she cared about while being demonized on social media. Thankfully she is stronger than we give her credit for and she bounced back!
May I remind you that this blind is not just about him, but how he may have mistreated another person that the Chuck fanbase also holds dear. Mind you, I don't think you can blame us for considering that this blind might be true (you seem so affected by it too!).
And yes it their personal lives, but we cannot help but be affected by what we hear because we have invested so much, and I am not even only talking about time and effort. We have invested EMOTIONS into this fanbase through the ups and downs. These are people we let into out homes through their TV shows. These are people we watch with our families. These are people we supported through Twitter trends, Comic Cons, plays and other TV shows! You keep talking about being maternal towards Zac and I totally understand that. You are also a new fan? That is fine! It also seems that you are not as attached to Chuck like we are and therefore don't feel as deep a connection to Yvonne too as we do and I understand that too! But again I ask you, consider us who have been on this ride longer, who have rallied behind Zac, Yvonne and the rest of the cast and crew season after season. Consider the fans who are maternal towards Yvonne. And consider the fans who feel maternal towards BOTH of them. I used to be! And as I said, it's not just a tweet or an interview. I admit this blind makes me sad and angry but it's not even just about this blind! -- I've had YEARS to observe! -- but I really can't help but feel that I have lost a son to the dark side!
Sometimes I just want to enjoy the show as it is, but I can never escape these spats! You might think I am overreacting but IT HURTS. It's exhausting. It is downright disheartening!
And just a thought. Just because he was nice to you at stage door does not mean he is nice all the time! They've said it.. He is only human. You are beginning to sound like the fans I described in my previous post!
Alright Kaye has beat me to the punch here, so this may be a bit repetitive, I apologize for that, but I have to get it off my chest as well.
All due respect JAH, and I certainly don’t wish him to fail, but increased success is not going to alleviate what appear to be some glaring character deficiencies here, and that is, after all, what this blind is about. The critiques on his character are not going to fall away, if anything they will further intensify under a stronger microscope – its a case of ‘be careful what you wish for’ as MTM stated earlier.
Now don’t get me wrong, we all have our failings - I’m well aware that nobody is perfect, but I find Zac’s behavior incredibly incongruent (hypocritical) with what he puts out there and claims to be and I don’t see how increased fame (which he clearly craves to the nth degree, seeking ego fluffing at every opportunity) is going to help him find the ‘balance’ of values that he claims to hold dear.
I hope that he has been using any down time between projects (and barhopping) to re-evaluate his priorities in life, because that seems to be where he lacks. With anything and everything seeming to take a position above the person that he should be treating with all that "time and love" (something that Yvonne gave him) that he bestows on lesser things (friends, associations, events, work, parties, more parties). I hope he does it for his current and all future relationships sakes, because in an instance like the one that went down with Yvonne, where so much was at stake as far as a fandom and personal relationships were concerned, the end result is incredibly unfair. Its one thing to walk away (having hurt someone) and quite another to be that person and also be the one that skates by any abuse, with the vast majority of it leveled (unfairly) on the other party involved, allowing them to get even further hurt by your own actions. The whole thing does a grave disservice to the people involved (this time its Yvonne, last time it was Missy). What can he do about it now? Well, I guess nothing really. Not anymore. But he set up the current narrative with his behavior on social media, as is evidenced in that being a frequent touch point that the troll uses. i.e. It claims his erratic behavior online was caused by Yvonne allegedly "cheating" on him etc. (when that alleged "cheating" couldn’t be further from the truth, the only thing that Yvonne has done – and I’m incredibly grateful for it – is heal and move on. Hardly something to be vilified for.)
Anyway, as I say, I don’t wish him any ill will, but personally I hope he figures his stuff out first, and then by all means, lets heap all the roles in the world on him. But quite frankly, until then… lets hope he finds some perspective. In my opinion, I feel he sorely needs it.
PS. Just for the record, while I have no doubt that Zac has many great characteristics and I’m sure he is just as nice as you say at stage door, let's not forget, he is still putting on a show even then. I’m not saying its not genuine, but its only a snapshot of him. None of us have any idea what he is like when the stage goes dark. But blinds like this one, and his social media behavior certainly do paint a picture as far as I’m concerned.
To Kaye, THANK YOU! You take a lot of the words/anger and upset right out of my mouth. How things get stacked against Yvonne depresses and frustrates me so much its hard to put into words.
Kaye, i'm not sure what I said that makes you think I wasn't listening or respecting what you and others have said. My recent posts were either in support of Yvonne and against trolls, or musing about his career. I know you want me to believe that he has definitely mistreated her and Missy and that he has encouraged the trolls. I guess each of us has to decide for ourselves whether we can still enjoy watching him on screen and onstage knowing that may be true. (and I am sorry if it is frustrating to you that I haven't completely bought the idea that it is definitely true. I do see the trolls on Instagram now, and I don't doubt that you who have followed him for much longer than I have, have seen many things that I haven't and you know many more of the details. I will just say ( again) that none of us really knows what goes on behind closed doors and in somebody's private relationships. I think Yvonne is amazing and wish her happiness and success and a life free of trolls. I wish Zac the same, hope he treats people kindly always, and that he keeps getting cast in stuff. I don't think any of that goes against what you all have said or makes me in anyway similar to a troll or a crazy irrational fan.
"(and I am sorry if it is frustrating to you that I haven’t completely bought the idea that it is definitely true)"
That is NOT what is mostly frustrating for me! I am not exactly forcing you to buy "the idea that this is definitely true". It is you missing the whole focus of the blind and discussions here, going on and on about his career when another person -- someone the Chuck fanbase also cares about -- might have been hurt, and the possible effects on the fanbase as a whole. This is not about his career. You keep gushing about how talented he is, how nice he was to you at stage door and suggested that the trolls might be so aggressive in protecting him because he is just so accommodating of his fans and is so kind! Tell me, would a "kind" person allow people to "protect" his image like the trolls do?
We have talked about the trolls several times here and every other post you go "Where?! Where?!" when people have been telling you where the trolls are and what they say.. You see the trolls on Instagram now! Finally! But, I have said this before: I DO NOT appreciate the suggestions that fans like me are making up these troll attacks just because we want to believe this blind or because we are convinced that he is a bad person (at least now you have seen the trolls! We are not lying!) . I do not appreciate your suggestions that we could be interpreting his tweets in a twisted way when we in fact saw exactly what went down. And I certainly do not appreciate suggestions that we want his career to fail! You are too close to being like his over-protective fans who label anyone who disagrees or goes against him as misinformed, stupid or a "bad person" in general.
That does it. I'm done. I'm so over this. I just hope that for everyone's sake things start to get better.
Last word to Kaye. Bye.
Great read here. Thanks everyone for the info. I definitely agree that my opinion of Zac Levi has dropped significantly over my many years in this fandom. I have to admit I was very hopeful that dating Yvonne in 2015 might have gotten him to finally grow up and face his issues but alas it hasn't. And I do agree his drinking and partying seem to still be a problem. Glad I'm not alone.
Seems Zac has a new Yvonne clone on his arm now. I hope Hannah knows what she is getting into.
Yeah this is definitely Zachary Levi and Yvonne Strahovski.
The abuse that Yvonne has endured from trolls and double standards within the Chuck fanbase are completely unfair. For example, Zac's many project failures (Let It Go, Tuned, Man Up, Heroes Reborn, Telenovela) are downplayed or ignored. His underwhelming screen roles post Tony nom (a small role in Alias Grace, and a supporting role in Office Uprising) have also been downplayed. Fans also barely said a word when he was mostly out of work for 15 months after First Date. And the fans are far more respectful of his privacy, and rarely attack him in social media for his personal life.
Yvonne, on the other hand has been attacked relentlessly for both her career and personal life. Nearly all of her projects since Golden Boy have been deemed a failure or a disaster (even 24 Live Another Day and Astronaut Wives Club have been downplayed). Fans have called her lazy and unmotivated during her slower periods. Instead of taking into consideration that she may have had projects fall through or delayed (this happens all the time), auditioned for many roles she didn't get, or that there are so few good roles for women (most of which are given to A-listers) the fans are quick to bash her work ethic, dedication and drive. And she has also been attacked by trolls and criticized by fans for years over her private life.
It's very frustrating and unfair that Yvonne has been treated so unfairly, and that it's taken this many years for people to realize that Zac Levi isn't perfect.
I will never understand why people blame Zac (or anyone) for the actions of their fans. Also will just say for the record, even in 2017 it is possible to love and support both Zac and Yvonne, whether or not they are together, and whether or not they did or didn't date each other, whether or not he did or didn't cheat on her. Not everyone who supports him bashes her and vice versa. "The Fans" are not a monolithic monster, just a bunch of people, some of whom do stupid things.
Zac is human, so is Yvonne, neither is perfect. If you expect the people you love or are fans of to be perfect, you will be disappointed 100% of the time.
Dear Jenny S, thank you for this post. Couldn't have said it better. He is often treated like Jesus walking on water, she is treated very unfairly especially for her personal life. I think that gender bias plays a role in it, too. Him partying, flirting around and being without a gig for long periods of time is fine. If she dates people other than Zac or indulges in free time between jobs, she is either a cheater or without any professional drive. This irks me to no end. She is the superior talent of the two, in my opinion and I hope "A Handmaid's Tale" (Hulu) will be a well deserved step forward for her career. Mr Levi has a new blonde lady at his side. Spaceman is right: I hope she knows what she is in for. Yvonne seems to be happy, too. Professionally and personally. All the best to her in 2017.
Yes, I agree that there is gender bias when it comes to the Chuck fans. It's quite amazing how so many fans view Zac as perfect, while Yvonne is criticized.
I agree that Yvonne is a fantastic actress (in both drama and comedy). HMT looks like it could be quite spectacular. Can't wait to see her play Serena Joy.
I agree with all of this but will add a couple of caveats. I do think that Zac did receive some grief about his short lived marriage mistake. And yes it obviously was a mistake, a big one. But you are right the criticism for Yvonne has gone on for years and most of the time, but not all, unjustified and inappropriate. The attacks by a small but vocal group on Tim were incredibly unfair and in some cases seriously offensive. He didn't deserve any of it but he reacted to it with class, dignity and total respect for her and her position with the fans and her career. I have to commend him greatly for his behavior. But I'm sorry to say the next decision she made was a terrible one. A huge mistake that led to some pretty nasty "revelations" we don't need to discuss here. And that "mistake" did not react with any amount of class or respect for her. To me at least that criticism was well deserved. His current "career" choices speak volumes. And I do think some of the comments about her being lazy or not focusing on her career enough were because folks wanted her as far away from him as possible. Can't say I blame them looking back on it.
All that being said I do think there have been 2 sets of rules in how folks react and treat these two. Part of it certainly is gender based but I do think many of Zac's biggest and most vocal supporters come to him at least in part because of how open he is about his religion and his faith. Something I wish he wasn't so vocal about as his social media behavior points to a very different image than what his faith does. That is where the confusion and disappointment comes from for a lot of fans. But there are "certain" fans that will jump on anyone if they even breath negatively about him. And yet those same fans do nothing about the crap that Yvonne receives.
Let's face it, Zac needs to grow up and some of the fans need to put down the rose colored glasses and see that he is flawed like all of us are. And Zac also needs to stop living for the adulation of his fans like he seems to thrive on. But at least Yvonne seems to be much more active in deleting and managing the troll comments as they were removed very quickly last night. I just wish there were something Zac could do to either help her or at least let her know he is sympathetic and bothered by what folks are doing in his name.
Spaceman, what happened last night? Were people trolling her tweet about Meryl Streep with comments about Zac? Geez get a life people. And just FYI I'm a Zac fan not because of his religion--I practice a different one and don't care what he believes.
Spaceman, what happened last night? She tweeted about Meryl Streep - were people trolling her about Zac in response to that? Geez, people - get a life! (And PS I am not a Zac fan because of his religion, but because he's talented and adorable and charming - and of course, not perfect, nobody is, blah blah blah.)
Ack it happened again - I came back, didn't see my comment, so left it again. SORRY! ENTY feel free to remove one if you can, and this one.
No, the trolls attacked her latest IG postings again with their usual trash about cheating on Zac and other things I won't say here. The pics from the beach in Malibu and the one with her THT co-star at the TCA's were where they posted them but they are gone now. They were deleted by her rather quickly. It had nothing to do with her tweet though she is getting comments about that on Twitter.
Well, people suck, but we knew that. I adore Yvonne - I've never seen her in anything but Chuck and NerdHQ interviews but just from those she seems to be an incredibly talented actress and great person. (notice I'm not comparing her talent to anyone else's - that seems unnecessary.) I honestly don't know what someone like Zac should do when people troll in that way - can he shut them down? (I know what I think certain national leaders should do to shut down people who tweet and post on his behalf in hateful ways, but does a TV actor have the same responsibility?) Don't know. I just hope both of them continue to grow personally and professionally. I want to see them onscreen (or stage) a lot because that makes me happy, and I want them to have happy lives.
JAH, there are many derogatory comments about Yvonne on Zac's histogram. He has the power to delete them, he has chosen, so far, not to. In fairness he has also not deleted comments that are less than favoroable to him and his friends.He could wipe the anti Yvonne comments should be chose to. I am full of admiration for Yvonne, however cute and adorable Zac was as Chuck, Yvonne out acted him at every turn. It is only my opinion but I think Zac is aggrieved and has no intention of supporting Yvonne at this point
Maybe he doesn't delete them because she doesn't care. They don't reflect badly on her, just on the idiot trolls. Who knows? I certainly don't.
Without comparing their acting to each other, I would agree that he leaned hard on the cute sit-com mannerisms in Chuck (especially in the early seasons) but I believe he is capable of more. Last night I watched the TIna Fey movie, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, and then read some reviews. One of them pointed out that her acting had progressed far beyond 30 Rock. I think he can do the same and I Iook forward to seeing Alias Grace to see what kind of chops he's got. But if his skillset leans more toward the broad, there's still a place for that in the entertainment world. (He sure was great in She Loves Me.) Also his taste for projects seems to be on the campy side (Office Uprising???) so maybe he's doing what he wants to do, acting-wise. I know I am keeping this thread going long past when there's any point to it, I just have nowhere else to go to talk about all things Zac...
Dear JAH, that’s ridiculous. What has half of this thread been about up until this point? Have you read any of it or have you just elected to forget what doesn’t fit with what you want to hear? If she doesn’t care, then why does she spend time deleting the comments (as Spaceman and others have pointed out)? The last batch she actually seemed to stay online for for a bit, waiting for the troll comments so that she could delete them quickly, the troll sadly, did not disappoint. Other then that, she frequently goes back into her pics to see if any troll comments have popped up and she deletes them, so she most certainly DOES care, and they most certainly DO reflect badly on her, not because they are true, quite on the contrary, but because they are NOT. Unfortunately loud negativity like that can influence sentiment with the uninformed – and when it is so obnoxious and poisonous, then is really becomes quite a sad state of affairs.
Earlier you raised the question, is it his "responsibility" to silence the trolls, well that is debatable, BUT, is it the "kind" or "right" thing to do? I believe the answer to that is a fairly emphatic YES! "It doesn’t cost you anything to be kind," or so I'm told, by Mr. Zac Levi himself, - so If he ever did or currently does care for Yvonne (regardless of whether they ever went out or not - although they most certainly did), or if he respects her in any way, then he would find a way to alter the course of the current narrative. He would make at least a little effort (more than the occasional picture 'liked') to show that he still cares for and supports her. Then, even if the delusional troll continues to attack her in HIS name, at least other new, impressionable or concerned fans would know that it is emphatically false, because Zac himself has basically said as much.
According to Zac, he is aware of all the comments and tweets that are sent his way, that knowledge together with the fact that the troll makes sure to use his handle, would imply that he has definitely seen the derogatory vindictive content sent to Yvonne (over the course of the last few months), for his benefit. I have noticed that some fans have even asked him to delete these comments out of respect for Yvonne, but he has ignored those requests too. That doesn't seem terribly "kind" to me.
As for this: " I honestly don’t know what someone like Zac should do when people troll in that way – can he shut them down?” Well, for starters, as mentioned by MTM above and me in this post (and i think others elsewhere here), he can delete the comments when he sees them on his own feeds, but he can also change the ’story’ the troll is trying to promote, and its actually pretty easy, if he only wants to. A simple tweet about The Handmaid's Tale for instance, and how good it looks (with the trailer link) and a shout out to Yvonne would go down well. He supported Ryan's latest project a few months ago, so showing support in this sort of way for his former co-stars would not be unprecedented. It's such a simple thing, it could make a massive difference, and that is just one idea off the top of my head, I'm sure, if he had any inclination whatsoever, he could find many more, or he could just ask Tej. (FWIW: I imagine that Zac’s last tweet to Yvonne likely carries no weight with the troll because it was in response to incredible praise from Yvonne, he would have seemed like a tool not to respond like he did, regardless of whether it was genuine or not!)
All good points, Nerd42! No argument from me.
Maybe Zac IS the trolls. Enty said in a separate reveal that he uses secret accounts to troll people. This blind item says he is trying to convince fans how awful she is. Maybe his method isn't to do it as himself, but as someone else.
Blindreader, that's just silly. He'd have to be a true sociopath to make up accounts and troll his own account. He may be immature, he may have cheated on the women in his life, he could do more to stop the trolls, he may be a lot of things, but he's not a monster.
It depends on whether this is more than one person behind the troll accounts. A couple of the trolls have been around for years (Niftybobs for example). A few of the other accounts are more recent though.
Yeah there seem to be a few people who seem to follow them both around and troll them (I don't believe for a second that he's trolling himself.). So here's my theory about the trolls on his own IG: if you look back at older photos (before the last 2 or 3) there are no troll comments on them. The only ugly ones are the most recent ones on the last 2 or 3 posts (same handful of people.) My guess: he hasn't gotten around to removing them, but next time he goes on IG he will and they will be gone. He's probably cleaned up all the older posts already. (I'm sure one of you is prepared to prove me wrong - go for it.)
JAH, you are entitled to believe what you want to but some of those messages have remained there for weeks. I understand your justification of Zac's behavior, was/ am a fan, just recently he is seriously making me question the 'nice guy' image he tries to portray. Even his Broadway stage door profile, staying until the last fan has a selfie, he is not alone in doing this, his publicist made sure this was reported on...
Well, that is her job, I think (publicity...) Some dozen comments up this thread someone was upset that he seemed to be promoting or making money off his business...
Anyway, Zac doesn't need me to defend him or be his apologist. He can take care of himself, and I should probably find other things to obsess I mean think about. It's more fun to watch Chuck or She Loves Me for the millionth time than read the news, but I need to go try to make the world a better place in the real world! Besides, I suspect that if I met him in real life we might not have much to talk about (I'm not a Christian, don't play video games, don't drink much... we do have one thing in common - baby nephews.) Blathering on as usual, g'night, strangers on the internet.
Although if he wants career advice from me I would be glad to offer it…
And sometimes,like tonight, it's hard to keep loving him.
JAH, I confess I have rather cynical about Zac's nice guy image but what has caused you to feel that way?
A tweet about football. It was interpreted by some as a poke at Meryl Streep's speech at that award show last week...if it was a poke it was pretty gentle, but because I'm a flaming liberal, I always get a little sad when Zac demonstrates that he's not one (apparently)! I don't know what to make of this animated movie, The Star - there sure are a lot of A-listers involved (or A-adjacent) but it looks, well, not my cuppa tea! (smart alecky animals at the birth of Jesus? oy vey!) Is it good for his career? He sure gets a lot of voice work, but I want to see his face in something new, preferably not a low-budget zombie movie.
JAH, If you are a flaming liberal, you should do some research into Zac's "personal pastor" Jeremy Boreing. His name came up in an article about Zac in Relevant magazine. You can find it on line. Besides being a film director of few movies, Mr. Boreing is a right wing commentator who also was the head of an organization called "Friends of Abe". That organization was a secretive gathering for Hollywood Conservatives. I don't know how closely Zac's politicial views align with Mr. Boreing's, but I do know the guy attended his wedding and I've seen him in recent Instagrams with Zac.
WickChick, I had come across info about that guy (that article talked about a prayer group that hung out at Zac's house, and I then found more information about how ultra-conservative Boreing is) but I didn't realize he was still actively in Zac's life. Ick. Zac is clearly intentionally careful to stay noncommittal in public, most of the time, about his political views, which is smart in Hollywood and to not offend/alienate half his fans (like me!). You can be friends with someone and not share all their beliefs, and I find it hard to believe from everything I've heard Zac say (and he sure does have a lot to say in his NerdHQ panels, podcasts, interviews, etc - he's very talkative) that he has deeply held right-wing beliefs. I think he's so open and upfront about everything that he'd talk about that stuff if he felt at all strongly about it. I've never seen any other celeb talk so openly about the behind-the-scenes aspects of the business, as well as his own insecurities about himself. Of course he is very private about his relationships too (hence some dark corners of the internet speculating that he's gay while others talk about his multiple affairs with female fans -hello ENTY) so maybe he just has things he'll talk about and things he won't. Who knows! (My point here all along is that most of what we think we know about him, we don't really know, we just like to speculate.
Most people in Hollywood who are conservative develop very strong skills at hiding it. As talkative as he is, he clamps down on any talk that has to do with relationships or politics. I can even see him strain to suppress talk of religion. He does talk a little bit about it, but I always sense he would love to talk about it more and knows that isn't a good idea. I honestly don't know how conservative his political views are. But, I didn't appreciate it during the election when he was telling his followers who NOT to vote for while keeping very secretive about what he does stand for. Not cool. Even if a celebrity has beliefs I don't agree with, I admire their candor about them. At least they aren't hiding anything. I can and still do admire his work, but his true core values are a mystery.
WickChick, I have a theory about his beliefs. Seems to me that is a very friendly, very outgoing, sort of happy-go-lucky (but also introspective and thoughtful) person who just wants everyone to get along, like each other and not fight. (I found his personal Facebook page today and perused the many links he posted....they bolster my theory.) He's basically against extremism in any form. He obviously cares a lot about what's going on on the world. I don't believe he's racist, or homophobic, or any of that though I think he's not "woke" in the way the left thinks of it. He comes from a deeply Christian family and that obviously informs his values and beliefs. I don't believe any of the bullshit gossip on this site about his affairs and whatever, and I don't believe he's a secret right-winger. I think he's loyal to his friends and that icky pastor is one of his old friends. That's my story and I'm sticking to it (until I have new information/evidence/data!) Zac, feel free to weigh in any time if you're secretly reading any of this!
Well Zac seems to have finally unfollowed the Raya app. Not sure who or what was the reason but that follow along with those pics from his trip to Bali certainly were part of one of the earlier "Blind Items". And it did not fit at all with his "faith based" image. It's about time.
What is the Raya app? Guess I'll go Google, but can you explain what you mean and how it relates to all the above? The only pics from Bali (his Instagram) I saw were pretty harmless....were there ones that showed something scandalous?
Ah found it. Dating app for "creative" people aka celebrities. Not sure why using a dating app isn't Christian.
Can't help wondering if behavior in Bali and Raya were a bird flip to Yvonne???
Heh, seems pretty likely to me.
dont forget during this period He also followed all those random models, some of which weren't terribly classy - read, dodgy aF. And he followed the profile of a woman from some online dating service who was looking for 'hookups' - so said her profile -, #superclassy eh? - and not really in keeping with his uber christian 'im so wholesome and good' persona.
Wow, and here I thought I was too preoccupied (obsessed) with him- y'all pay attention to who he follows on social media and judge him for it? We ALL need to get a life!
JAH, Raya isn't just a dating app for "creative" people. It's not Match or Christian Mingle or anything as mainstream as those. It's basically Tinder for the elites. A "hookup" app for those with money or connections. And IMO is right, during that time he followed a lot of rather dodgy "models". That's what I question as fitting his faith based image. I mean I don't really have an issue with folks that would use a "service" like that, its their life and that's fine. But it just clashes with the image he has publicly put out there as a means to gain support among a segment of his fans. It makes that image seem dishonest. He professes to be a devout Christian but yet strives to live the life of a rich, aging frat boy or at least he did during that period.
First of all, I don't know how you know about him being on Raya. The only way you could know is if someone else on there outed him, which is gross (CDAN is a *gossip* site, I know, but still.) Second of all, WHY DO YOU CARE if he followed "dodgy" women and who are you to judge if they're dodgy or not anyway. As far as I know, he's never said anything publicly about his faith preventing him from dating, having sex outside of marriage, or being interested whatever women he wants - I see no hypocrisy from him. (My, that is a hard word to spell correctly.) What he says about his Christianity is that he asks for God's guidance (I'm paraphrasing things I've read in the past, not looking anything up), that he's grateful for God's blessings, and that he strives to be a good and kind person. Again, nothing y'all have described in the last few posts goes against that. You can be genuine about all those things and still like to have sex with women you meet on an app. (I wish I could meet him on an app....) For the record (again) I'm not a Christian and have never used a dating app or website (I've been married since before there was an Internet) so don't have any reason to be invested in either of those things. I just think you're inventing hypocrisy (that word again) or dishonesty where there is none (IMHO, obv.)
JAH you make a valid point, who cares? However Zac's fan base is deeply rooted into buying in to him, I have made many apologies for him but my deep concern is his treatment of Yvonne. I do not subscribe to the total character assassination of the above blind but there is enough believable to question his ego!
This ground has all been rehashed here at least a half-dozen times, but just for sake of argument and to keep the thread going, I still believe that his treatment of Yvonne is based on speculation and reading tea leaves. People posting here talk as if they have sources of inside information or are personally connected so they actually know what happened between them - maybe so. But I still have never seen any actual proof or even circumstantial evidence other than a photo at a Dodgers game that a) they were dating b) he cheated on her or c) they broke up and were miserable. (Other than this blind which - who knows what the source of info is and whether it's credible.)
Ok, JAH, its pretty clear that you will always lean towards supporting Zac and being skeptical of the relationship with Yvonne and that's fine. But there is much more proof than just the Dodgers pics. Yes much of it is circumstantial but in a "preponderance of evidence" etc, they were in fact dating in 2015. Let's start with the romantic sunset, beach walk pic and the playful dead fish toss. You don't do that with just a "friend". Yvonne going directly to, not heading home first after Thailand, for 5 days at NerdHQ for the first time ever and going with him to video game events which she never has done before, prior to the opening of the event. Then she went to see him in Toronto as proven by Gatlin Green. There is a belief he went to see her in New Mexico during Edge based on a friend of hers social media comments. We have the Joshua Tree pics that to me at least clearly show Zac's shadow because if it were Gian she would have tagged him as she has done every time she went camping with him in the past. Then the "bridge" pic. and so on and so on. I agree that B and C are simply speculation but can we please just agree that it is extremely likely that they did in fact date in 2015 after his divorce was annonced and she broke up with Lawson. I for one am certain of it.
Spaceman, you are right that I am a Zac supporter, but I'm also open to new information (and I'm also completely a Yvonne fan and supporter too - I am taking no "sides" here. And trolls are evil, yadda yadda.) You have told me more than I knew before, and you obviously know more than I do since I've never heard of Gian, Gatlin Green, or Lawson. So I will concede the point - "signs point to yes", as my Magic 8 Ball used to say! Thanks for agreeing that B and C are speculation. I think Zac seems like a nice, good, caring person, and I hope I'm right, not that it affects my life in any way. I also think he's incredibly talented and I wish he'd get cast in a whole lot of TV, movies, Broadway, whatever, because i want success for him and I like watching him do stuff. (Much as I love Chuck, there is a limit to the number of times I can watch it, and I've probably reached my limit on rewatching She Loves Me too, at least for now.)
I agree that Zac is talented, he has much in development, whatever his shortcomings may or not be compared to some they are minor! I wish him well and hope to see more from him. Am only sad because from an initial evaluation of pretty much perfect, he clearly disappoints, hey, we are all human...but if he did have Yvonne and let her go..he is a fool!
MTM, you've left me with nothing to argue with. Cheers to all.
Wow. The discussion is still going after almost two months. Just my two cents: He was a serial cheater. He cheated on his former wife, he cheated on Yvonne Strahovski when they were together, he even fucked up on a second chance he had with her in 2016. She, fortunately, has moved on from him. They just didn't work, and I mainly blame him and his egotistic partying ways for that. (JAH, what a good Christian boy he is, oh puke!) He has a new blonde at his side, a background dancer for Beyonce that looks like a blonde Yvonne clone. She may have gone back to her former boyfriend Tim Loden, a decent guy who never craved the spotlight, who adopted her two dogs with her many years ago, surfs and loves the outdoors. Great fit. None of that would be true for Zachary Levi Pugh, the drinking womanizer who evokes Jesus at every corner without blushing. I was a long time fan, even flew to NYC to watch his broadway shows, I went to Comic Con in San Diego because I was s Chuck fan. Won't do so any longer. I am utterly disillusioned by him and his behavior. Good luck to his new lady, Hannah Douglass. She might need it.
Slightly OT, but after reading the reviews for 24 Legacy, it's safe to say that Yvonne was far better off without it. Yikes. Metascore is at 43 (and falling).
I predict Handmaid's Tale, which she is filming, is going to make a big splash with its relevance to the current political environment.
I agree WickChick. It certainly is set up to be something potentially very good for her. My 2 concerns are first its on Hulu which is probably #3 behind Netflix and Amazon as far as streaming services go, so its audience is rather limited. But if it isn't too preachy but more subtly and powerfully delivers its message it could get the critical acclaim she so richly deserves. With Reed Morano directing the first 3 episodes, I expect it to be something rather special visually at least.
I hope Handmaid's Tale is a huge success. It's an amazing book and has an incredible cast - it should get a lot of attention. I can't wait to see Yvonne in it - I've only ever seen her in Chuck and think she's a brilliant actress.
Why did this go from 130 comments to 133, but there are no new comments at the end of the thread (the last one was by me on Feb 2...?) Where are the 3 new ones? (4 now, with this one...)
24 Legacy had the lowest rated post-Super Bowl performance in 14 years, and episode 2 was lower than the premiere of 24 Live Another Day. This really could have hurt Yvonne's career had she been the lead in this. Thankfully HMT looks like it could be a big hit for Hulu. :D
Not to put too fine a point on things but I disagree. 24 Legacy did quite well in today's climate and I'm sure Fox is very happy with the results. It was their #1 and #2 show so far this sweeps (excluding the game itself of course). Besides it came on later because of the overtime game and in the Boston market didn't air till 1:30 am because of coverage of the Patriots historic come from behind victory. But the best part of it was that the drop from post Super Bowl premier to episode 2 was only .2 in the demo. Completely expected and in some ways better than expected. And one more point is it proved to be a good lead in for the new APB premier that followed and did quite well on its own.
For me at least if she had been part of this and the show got those numbers, I would have been very pleased and if it holds reasonably well for the rest of the season, it will get a season 2 IMO. But I am happy with THMT even with its very limited audience potential.
The ratings can only drop from here, especially with The Voice returning in a few weeks. On the comments sections of both Spoiler TV and TV By the Numbers, the consensus is nearly unanimous that 24 Legacy's Monday ratings are a huge disappointment.
The show was hyped for months on Fox, with over 110 million viewers seeing commercials during the Super Bowl. That it can't even match Lethal Weapon in ratings after that much hype is a disappointment. The ratings will likely drop and level out to 3-4 million and 1.0 in the demo.
Had Yvonne been on Legacy, it would not have helped her career. Either it would have been cancelled after one season, which would reduce her chances of ever being cast in a lead role again on a series. Or at best, Legacy will run for 2-3 years with middling ratings, but without the acclaim and ratings of the original series. And by then, Yvonne would be pushing 40 and her offers would again be limited (like being offered bland FBI/CIA agent cop roles on generic network crime shows).
Sorry, I forgot to add that the drop in the demo was not .2. The premiere had a 6.1 in the demo, and episode two had a 1.5. That is a drop of 75.41%.
With every tweet, Zac's Twitter follows plummet, he needs to wake up!
I've noticed that...but I don't think people are leaving him for any reason to do with him, just natural attrition as people fall off twitter for one reason or another. (I find it hard to believe that 1,000+ people have decided they hate him and don't want to follow him in the last couple of months!) And I don't think deleting troll comments from his Instagram is going to make any difference to the 99.99% of his followers who aren't paying that much attention.
I stopped following him in the last few months. Not because of hate, but because of apathy. In today's environment, I've more important people to follow--people who are actually saying substantive things. I don't follow him on Instagram either. The content just isn't there.
And yet you keep coming back to this post to talk about him, just like I do. He obviously still is important to you in someway! You must not have entirely given up on him?
Whoops that came out weird…
It's intriguing: A story I'm interested in seeing how it progresses.
Rooting for any particular outcome?
What is going on? Zac's tweets are fairly entertaining, but every time he tweets he loses followers? Any ideas?
M, you need a control group - pick 10 other random famous people and watch their followers - do they go up or down on any given day? My guess is that if you say something controversial, they'll go down. Zac's tweets are kind of bland usually these days but he has retweeted some anti-Trump-ish things and that might alienate some folks (not me, obviously). My guess is he'll get a bunch of new ones next time he's in something new (Tangled doesn't really count since it hasn't happened yet so it is only of interest to people who already know him.)
Well, I certainly stopped following him because of HIM. It was an active choice I made, and the right one for me.
And, I don't check back in on this page for him either, - this blind involves more then one person. It concerns Yvonne too, and I am a fan of hers.
"What is going on? Zac’s tweets are fairly entertaining, but every time he tweets he loses followers? Any ideas?" One hypothesis is that the followers in question had lost interest, but forgotten they were even following him because he wasn't very active. Then, suddenly, there is a flurry of inane tweets from him filling their timeline. It reminds them they are still following him even though they lost interest. So, they unfollow.
WickChick, can't lie, you have a point
Most celeb tweets are pretty inane. Either that, or political, and Zac has always stayed away, pretty much, from being political. What would you expect him to tweet about? What actor do you follow who consistently has something interesting to say? I have unfollowed almost all the actor types I initially followed because they are boring - my feed is mostly journalists.
It is a barometer, personally I have found Zac entertaining of late. Regardless his following continues to plummet, over 500 in a week, still a good following but if the rate of reduction continues it s a worry in this media age
So, being a bit insane,I created a little chart for myself to track the number of Twitter followers for Zac and a bunch of other celebrities. I can't seem to think of someone in his "category" - someone who had a similar number of followers but isn't in a show or movie right now, which is the best way, probably, to gain new ones. He has lost a hundred or so over the last few days. Yvonne has lost 7. Oprah lost over a thousand. And everyone else I thought of including huge stars, medium stars and NPR hosts, all gained. It's hard to know what's people saying "I quit you, Zac, because I don't like you anymore" vs natural attrition.
Some really mean tweets lately about Zac - it's coming out in the open again, maybe because of Yvonne's new show.
Listen up, you don't know shit, you can't act like you know hem the best and that Zachary was selfish and was a jerk, you wouldn't know. It's not like someone spied on them while they were arguing or fighting, they were a great couple. Yvonne tweeted out in December 2016 at nerdhq, it was amazing, isn't it just great to spend time with someone you love. Do you really think that's something Yvonne would say if Zachary was a jerk. You would need proof, I suggest if you disagree, maybe you should talk to Yvonne or Zachary yourselfs.
Listen up, you don't know shit, you can't act like you know hem the best and that Zachary was selfish and was a jerk, you wouldn't know. It's not like someone spied on them while they were arguing or fighting, they were a great couple. Yvonne tweeted out in December 2016 at nerdhq, it was amazing, isn't it just great to spend time with someone you love. Do you really think that's something Yvonne would say if Zachary was a cunt. You would need proof, I suggest if you disagree, maybe you should talk to Yvonne or Zachary yourselfs.
And Zachary next movie is an animated Disney movie called the star and Yvonne's next movie is gonna be lit, it's called he's out there and it's a thriller. It's coming in December 2017
Janis: How do I begin to explain Zachary Levi?
Fangirl #1: Zachary Levi is flawless
Fangirl #2: He has two Playstations, and an X-Box
Fanboy #1: I hear his teeth are insured for $10,000
Fangirl #3: I hear he does soft drink commercials in France.
Fanboy#2: His favorite movie is Star Wars
Fangirl #4: One time he met Jennifer Lawrence on a plane...
Fangirl #5- And he told her he was pretty.
Fanboy #3: One time he blocked me on twitter... It was awesome.
Out of curiosity, how long have he and the new girl been together? It always amazes me how some fans can find out so much.
She was first seen with him at the beginning of December when she went with him and his family to Disneyland. But this weekend was the first really public announcement that they are dating. Very unusual for Zac to be that public. Again I hope she knows what she's in for based on his history. But she does seem to have a thing for nerdy actors.
She's beautiful. I hope they are happy together!
Cady Heron: whaaa?
That was a Mean Girls reference.
Ha, should have guessed from your name. So I shouldn't Google Zachary Levi soft drink commercials France, then? (Too late.)
I was surprised to see him so public to be honest. But he is allowed to grow and change like the rest of us. With what sleuthing i was able to do, i figured it wasn't long, but reading the comments here, there are some people who *really* keep up with him. Truth be told tho, I am wondering if she's a possible fling or rebound. He seemed closer to some of his exes compared to the pics I've seen so far, but that doesn't mean a thing. I'm only seeing this ftom the outside.
I don't know what actually happened but it´s crazy to think that the trolls are his friends or himself. The same trolls are saying Zachary Levi is a loser and accuse him to neglected her and to be an idiot ,pathetic. They blame him for the break up and to lose her forever ...to be a child who needs to grow up. Says he is using Hannah...comments against his friends and he hasn't deleted any of this comments on instagram. They are the same accounts that trolls Yvonne's instagram.
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