Monday, August 06, 2018

Today's Blind Items - He Too - Old Hollywood

This beloved deceased permanent A list male star was one of the biggest predators in Hollywood.  We'll call him Mr. R.  Every female he worked with experienced some kind of predatory or inappropriate behavior from this person.  Because of the times and his power in the industry, it was impossible back in those days to stop him.  At least half a dozen actresses were alleged to have been assaulted, and there are probably more that did not share their experiences with anyone out of fear. His adoring fans had no idea.

One young actress (we'll call her Ms. L) was subjected to repeated assault attempts from Mr. R.  Our actress valiantly fought off Mr. R's advances on a film they made together and fortunately had family members on set who also helped shield her from being raped.  Our actor was so enraged that he could not get Ms. L alone during the making of this movie that in retaliation he did everything he could to make her miserable during filming.  Mr. R would kick her, pinch/slap her breasts while ridiculing her and would stomp on/smash her feet with his shoes in between and during takes. Eventually the nightmare of this movie ended, and Ms. L was finally able to get away from our actor, even though he issued parting threats that he'd find her someday and "finish the job".  Ms. L shared her horrifying experiences with a friend, also an A-list Hollywood actress we will call Ms. C.  Ms. C. also had a scary encounter with Mr. R (when she was a teenager) and was not surprised that the awful stories that had filtered out from crew about Mr. R's behavior on the movie were true. 

Years went by, and Ms. C. was invited to attend an extremely important event, and was told that Mr. R was also going to be invited too. Mr. R was pretty much retired from the business by then, and was slated to be one of the honored guests at this gathering.  Ms. C had become an even more powerful celebrity in her own right by this time, so she immediately contacted the organizers with her concerns.  She stated that if Mr. R  was included in this event, she would publically withdraw.  When she was asked why she so vehemently opposed his attendance at this event, she stated in no uncertain terms that Mr. R had attempted to rape her as a teen and had assaulted other actresses he'd worked with. This resulted in Mr. R being dropped immediately from the event and from any future events--and caused the story to spread like wildfire through the industry rumor mill.

Because of this, Mr. R figured out immediately what had taken place and was able to manipulate a mutual friend into giving him Ms. C's telephone number.  He wasted no time making a threatening phone call to her about his dis-invite to the event.  Ms. C was no shrinking violet and managed to record the call, turning the recording over to her lawyers right away.  One of Ms. C's lawyers had an extremely tough reputation and immediately contacted Mr. R's lawyers with a cease and desist order, threatening to take the recording public.  Since Ms. C was a such a mega-star by this time, there was no way that Mr. R was going to be able to explain this telephone threat if it was released to the public and he knew it.

Ms. C's legal team made a deal to destroy the tape (and keep quiet about it) in exchange for a large payout from Mr. R.-- which of course was paid immediately.  In spite of the gag order, Ms. C still discussed this saga with her close female friends, many of whom had been his targets.  Word spread about the incident and is still discussed by old-timers in the business.  And what about the settlement money?  Ms. C. arranged to have those funds anonymously donated to help establish several of the very first rape crisis centers in North America.

112 comments:

MontanaMarriott said...

Ms. C -Elizabeth Taylor just because of the use of the word "violet" tricky Enty.

Mickey Rooney is subject of this bi?

Unknown said...

Kirk Douglas for the legendary a list rapist?

andrea said...

This was a good read. I don’t know old Hollywood but there should be a kindness tag in there somewhere. Good on Mrs. C.

MontanaMarriott said...

KD is still alive, subject of this BI is deceased, "This beloved deceased permanent A list male star was one of the biggest predators in Hollywood"

Lonely Bastard said...

@unknown.

Kirk's not deceased....yet.

sandybrook said...

Peter Lawford ?

J said...

Reagan.

Mischi said...

Alfred Hitchcock?

Lonely Bastard said...

Burt Lancaster?

Moose said...

The first rape crises centers were founded in the US around 1972

Carolyn said...

I'm getting a Clark Gable vibe.

Cail Corishev said...

In Hollywood, making someone write an uncomfortably large check makes you a crusader for justice.

s.s. said...

Mr. R for 'Rhett'

Moose said...

I'm thinking it might be Chaplin. Clearly had a thing for younger girls.

s.s. said...

Except 'pretty much retired from the biz"
Didn't Gable die on location ?

Farmgirl said...

I like the Mickey Rooney guess.

B626 said...

Bob Hope was pretty ‘beloved’.

cheesegrater15 said...

Liz Taylor and Peter Lawford? He raped her when she was 15.

Boldblonde said...

Definitely Liz Taylor. Violet is a dead giveaway.

LakeLadyinVA said...

Micky Rooney
Judy Garland
Elizabeth Taylor

Jackie - said...

Looking at IMDB there seems to have been a gap from 1971 to 1977 when Rooney didn't attend the Academy Awards.

nancer said...

i think that's it---rooney, garland and taylor. as for her taking money----it's what she did with it that matters, so STFU about it.

cheesegrater15 said...

On the other hand Liz and Rooney were lifelong friends. "Shrinking violet" is a common phrase, so it could be another actress. I thought Joan Crawford at first.

B626 said...

Liz worked with:
Spencer Tracy
Wallace Beery
Robert Taylor
as a teen

Moose said...

Rooney made about 15 films, and performed in a number of Broadway/traveling stage productions, from 1970 through 1977.

He was never semi-retired.

Krab said...

There was that story a few years ago that Rooney's wife walked in on Rooney havng sex with 14 year old Elizabeth. So statutory rape at best, rape-rape at worst.

pwal said...

The Rat Pack-Sinatra pretty much had him blacklisted because of the Kennedy thing.

Krab said...

Wallace Beery died in 1949 so not him. Robert Taylor was working up till he retired. Can't picture Spencer Tracy for this.

LakeLadyinVA said...

Or Rooney, Lana Turner (L) and Taylor (C) for Cleopatra.

5836 said...
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gauloise said...

Judy and Mickey were lifelong friends due to the andy hardy films , they always spoke fondly of each other.

5836 said...

Makes me wonder if this is Gene Kelly, Debbie Reynolds & Liz Taylor. Todd Fisher wrote in his recent book about his Mom and sister that Kelly was a total bastard during the making of Singing in the Rain & didnt want DR in that part in first place. According to the book, GK tried to shove his tongue down DR throat. Fred Astaire came to DR's rescue & was incredibly kind.

gauloise said...

Also, I can't see Rooney ever having the power to destroy someone's career. He was so young during his heyday, and he never was a huge draw as an adult, his career tanked from the beginning of WW2 to the early 60s when he made a comeback in side roles.

VirgilHilts said...

It's not Clark Gable he died in 1960 while still active as an actor.

roque said...

+1 5836- I immediately thought Kelly and Reynolds from the "stomp/smash her feet part"

Jen S said...

I agree. The stepping on her feet makes me think of dancing.

Simon said...

I think mickey Rooney a good guess.

gauloise said...

It can't be Crawford cause she didnt start in Hollywood until she was 20.

gauloise said...

Debbie works cause she was 19 when Singing in the Rain filmed.

Ophelia said...

It doesn't say foreign born for Liz but a lot of identifiers have changed.

Her and Debbie were friends so +1 to Gene Kelly

Neal M said...

If it is Liz Taylor, then I am going to throw Orson Welles name into the ring as a "possibility".

It was mentioned that Liz was "roughly seduced" (if that doesn't sound like code words for rape...) by Orson, and he also fits as he wasn't doing major movies in the 70's, just shorts and TV.

Sara, Making It Work said...

Mr R, R= Rain? I do like Kelly for this.

totaji said...

Orson Welles is a notorious outsider to Hollywood. Maybe this is why? But the stepping on feet thing sounds like Kelly.

Neal M said...

"The glutton who gorged himself on women: He ate three steaks at a time and cheated on wife Rita Hayworth but Simon Callow says Orson Welles's brilliance was unparalleled... The author said he went through a lot of women and used his power to do so...

In his prime he would have had a hell of a lot more clout than rooney, but I agree it is a tough fit, and a long shot. But I thought I would throw it out.


He was a producer on Jayne Eyre, and would have been on set if he so "desired". But Liz was awfully young then.

gauloise said...

Orson Welles was mainly known for being a director though. Also, he spent most of his life in Europe, not Hollywood and was hardly powerful.

For the lesser known actress (Ms. L) could it be Cyd Charisse?

"her husband always knew when she had been dancing with Gene Kelly if she came home with bruises and with Fred Astaire if she came home unmarked"

DMO said...

@ Neal M -- Welles never had the kind of power that Mr. R does in this blind. Of all the guesses here, Kelly seems to best fit the bill. His roles become more sporadic over the course of the 1960s, so he could be considered "semi-retired," and the stories of his treatment of Debbie Reynolds are somewhat well known (although softer versions exist -- one variant of the forced-tongue incident has Kelly doing it playfully and feeling awful when Reynolds reacted so negatively). But Singin' in the Rain's climax hinges on the public humiliation of two women, so it wouldn't surprise me that Kelly considered women's feelings irrelevant.

gauloise said...

And Debbie Reynolds for Ms C, by the early 70s she had reached national treasure status

DMO said...

@ Neal M --

"In his prime he would have had a hell of a lot more clout than Rooney..."

Not to harp on this, but hell no. Welles had clout in Hollywood for a brief period of time -- during the making of Citizen Kane. After the controversy surrounding that film, Welles lost creative control of his films and struggled to get productions off the ground. In the late 1930s/early 1940s, Rooney was in the midst of his popular Andy Hardy series which made him the top box office draw from 1939-1941. At no point in Welles's career did he have as much juice in Hollywood as Rooney did.

John Gilchrist Lodge said...

Errol Flynn and Bette Davis?

Neal M said...

I disagree about Rooney having more clout and power than Orson. Rooney may have used the power better, but at his peak Welles was the man in HWood.
"But a prodigy he most certainly was. "The boy wonder," as he was known in theatre circles, was on the front of Time magazine by the age of 23. At just 25 he directed, co-wrote and starred in Citizen Kane (1941), which for decades was polled as the greatest film ever made."



But Orson doesn't fit the permanent A list billing, or beloved. He died quite the semi forgotten recluse.

An interesting story, but I am not certain how true it could be in that Welles produced and starred in Jayne Eyre and Liz was in that film as well.

"Once during a meal Richard Burton came over and politely asked if he could bring Elizabeth Taylor to the table to meet him. Welles said: "No, as you can see, I'm in the middle of my lunch. I'll stop by on my way out." Burton slunk back to his table like "a whipped puppy".

Probably not Welles, but interesting none the less.

AppleThief4Elliot said...

I think Gene Kelly.
Welles was blackballed pretty early and effectively. He didn't even have the heft to get his own films edited the way he wanted.

AbbyRock said...

Could have been Wallace Beery. From Gloria Swanson on her first honeymoon night with Beery:

"I was brushing my hair when he came into the room. He gave me a look that made me turn away, but he didn’t say anything. Then he turned out the light and in the darkness pulled me to him. I gave a coquettish little command to stop that I thought would make him laugh. Still he said nothing. He turned me and pushed me backward until I fell on the bed. He fell beside me, and there was nothing romantic about the way he began to repeat that I was driving him crazy.

He was raking his hands over me and pulling at my nightie until I heard it rip. I pleaded with him to stop, to wait, to turn on the light. His beard was scraping my skin and his breath smelled. He kept repeating obscene things and making advances with his hand and tongue while he turned his body this way and that and awkwardly undid his buttons and squirmed out of his clothes.

Then he forced my body into position and began hurting me, hurting me terribly. I couldn’t stand it. I begged him to stop, to listen to me, and finally when I couldn’t stand it any longer, I screamed. He told me to be quiet, not to wake the whole hotel, and he said it in a voice of quiet, filthy conspiracy. The pain became so great that I thought I must be dying. I couldn’t move for the pain. When he finally rolled away, I could feel blood everywhere."

cheesegrater15 said...

Jesus Christ.

Neal M said...

Beery died in 1949.

AppleThief4Elliot said...

To make that worse, I was picturing Jim Rockford's dad (Noah Beery Jr) as I read that.

AppleThief4Elliot said...

Do we have a clear cut-off for what "Old Hollywood" means? For a fleeting moment I wondered if the woman could be Barbara Streisand, who did indeed become very powerful. She worked with Yves Montand, Omar Sharif, Walter Pidgeon among others in her first few films.

AbbyRock said...

Liz was a teenager in 1949. Swanson made Sunset Blvd. in 1950. Oh and she was 17 when she married Beery.
In the early years, most heroines were teenagers. A lot of them were made to look years younger which is really disturbing when you think about the pedophiles. Supposedly DW Griffith was a pedo. Chaplin was definitely attracted to young girls. Even movies with children were aimed at adults with kids making lewd moves.

AKA said...

It's what she did w/ the check, you fucking moron.

5836 said...

@SaraMakingitWork, i'll bite


Mr.R = Rain? Gene K. bc of what Todd F. wrote in his book about him

Ms.L = Ms Leia? Debbie R.

Ms.C = Ms Cleopatra? Liz T.

Neal M said...

Yes, but Beery wouldn't be placing an angry phone call in the late 60's or early 70's, or planning on showing up at a prestigious show since he would have been long dead...

FififromMtl said...

+1 Gene Kelly, oh maaan

Stupidpervs said...

And of course these women choose money over dignity ....if you allow some0ne to repeatedly make you a victim then I have no pity ...help yourself and go do a different film but no people have to listen to them whine now so I'm over 4th is whole me too thing...they kept quite and let these men hurt others after them so in my opinion if u allow this to continue your judt as guilty as the perp..

Cail Corishev said...

What she did with the check was great. My point wasn't about her, it was about Hollywood, where going to authorities would just get you drummed out of the industry at best, so extorting someone for money to give to charity is a heroic solution by comparison to what most would do.

Reading comprehension is hard.

Neal M said...

@ Cail

Yes, my first thought was "It would have been nice is she shut the creep down permanently and maybe save future victims", but it sounds like the guy was shut down anyway by father time, so maybe getting money and helping victims with it was the best solution.

I do get angry, like with the girl from West World who says an A lister raped her, but refuses to name him. How many girls has he gone on to rape and still will rape? I know it must be hard, and I am not without empathy for what she would go through if she named him, but it needs to be done.


I am sure that will anger somebody or another, but that's fine.

5836 said...

Interesting article about GK and his treatment of women

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/799001/Gene-Kelly-Singing-In-The-Rain-An-American-In-Paris-biography

Adrastia said...

Clark Gable? I'm thinking Mr. R being Mickey Rooney is just too obvious for a blind. But "R" = Rhett Butler. Too obvious as well?

Neal M said...

BTW - I like the "He too" in the title. Nice.

Neal M said...

I think with the time period for "first women's shelters" being narrowed down to the early 70's, Clark Gable would have been long dead. Unless she sat on the funds for the check for over a decade. CG died in 1960.

Kris Taylor said...

Sounds like jack Nicholson and shelley duvall in the shining???

Manuél Bun said...

The Tainted Mr. Rapeley

Maggie T said...

Sadly, I did too.

Kno Won Uno said...

+1

Liv said...

@Neal I actually agree with you on this. But that empathy you feel for the victims should be extended to them whether they had the strength to go public right away or not. Everyone is different. Some women have that kind of strength. Some do not. But either way, they don't deserve ridicule.

I do think it's dangerous and irresponsible when a victim only offers the public veiled hints about an attacker. Many innocent men could be drawn into suspicion. Either name him or don't. Making people guess is terrible for those who may be falsely accused.

Paul Saint John said...

The MeToo crowd are a bunch of phony old harridans who only cried rape many hears after they got the roles they wanted but are too old now for the casting couch. I call BS on the whole movement.

AbbyRock said...

Missed that, Neal. Thanks for the correction!

tall, dark, and handsome said...

if it's Gene Kelly, would Ms. L be Leslie Caron and Ms. C be Debbie Reynolds? Would the event have been the Tony awards 1970?

plot said...

Gene Kelly sounds good for this.

Amy said...

Cheque*

Amy said...

Stepping on feet was a huge giveaway. Clearer a dancer/actor.

Amy said...

Clearly*

Amy said...

Like mentioned before, stepping on feet is a clue. It's a dancing couple on screen. I hate to say it but I think it has to be Gene Kelly.

plot said...

Okay, I take it back. GK was rough on everyone, worked like a maniac and expected everyone else to do the same. But from what I'm reading, but his ex-wife and costars spoke very well of him. None of his dance partners ever complained about him, even though he left Cyd Charisse bruised after every rehearsal.

There is nothing remotely suggestive of sexual harassment that I can find. Judy Garland adored him (and he, her.) One would think she wouldn't treat a sexual harasser as well as she did Gene.

Anyway, still reading but nothing popping up.

plot said...

Oh! And it looks like Gene was just as hard on other men as he was to women.

Liv said...

@Paul Saint John

I disagree. While there may be a few women like you've described, the sheer number of respectable actresses who have stepped forward indicates that Hollywood, and other industries, need to reevaluate their practices.

And, trust me, I don't think many women would lament being too old for Weinstein's (or any other sleaze's) couch, but rather would celebrate being free from their lecherous appraisal and demands. Those dudes are the grossest.

Paul Saint John said...

@ Liv

Respectable actresses? What an an oxymoron! Please name a few.

La La Lady said...

This was exactly what I thought of too

Viking Song said...

Clark Gable was no rapist. He was, and still is, beloved. Errol "in like" Flynn, however, was a rapist, was a paedophile and had peep holes in his house.

Viking Song said...

Fuck off, PSJ, with your hypocritical bullshit. How are male actor any better?

Neal M said...

@AbbyRock - You are welcome.
If it makes you feel better I missed a clue and made a really bad guess on the song writer blind today. lol

That story about Gloria Swanson's wedding night was horrific btw. :(

AbbyRock said...

Neal, not reading carefully brought back memories of the teacher note: "Careless mistake." :)

We all miss clues sometimes. Have a good evening!

hhstarr said...

As long as it isn’t Jimmy Stewart. If it were him, I would completely give up.

Huntley Haverstock said...

It’s Burt Lancaster. The young actress could be Susan Harrison, whose experience with Lancasteron Sweet Smell of Success was reportedly so traumatizing it caused her to leave the business. Not sure who Mrs C is, but sadly Burt fits Mr R to a T.

Sara, Making It Work said...

R- Kelly (bahahaha just noticed the way the clue and name fit together!)

L- Reynolds

C- La Liz (could be absolutely nobody else, the description fits her perfectly)

Something to consider- it just says C had an incident with R, when she was a teen. Doesn't say they were in a movie together.
However. Kelly had an unbilled cameo in Taylor's movie "Love is Better Than Ever". It was released in 1952 (Liz was 20) but had been delayed a year or more folliwing star Larry Parker's McCarthy era blacklisting in 1951.
So she filmed at 18 or 19. So it fits.

Sara, Making It Work said...

Larry PARKS, sorry.

SophiaPetrillo77 said...

yeah please, not Stewart or Gable...that would break my heart

DMO said...

@ Neal M:

"But a prodigy he most certainly was. 'The boy wonder,' as he was known in theatre circles, was on the front of Time magazine by the age of 23. At just 25 he directed, co-wrote and starred in Citizen Kane (1941)...".

And this was the height of his power in Hollywood, and it came crashing down within a year afterwards thanks to the CK controversy. Many theaters boycotted it, and in its initial release (major cities like New York and Chicago), it was a box office disappointment. RKO took his next picture away from him and re-edited it and, in 1942 his contract with the studio was canceled.

Rooney, on the other hand, was a major box office draw: the top actor in Hollywood, male or female, from 1939-1941, precisely the period when Welles was at his apex. Given the operating conditions in Hollywood at the time, Rooney was not exactly powerful (no actors, or directors for that matter, had the power they would in the post war years) but the idea that he was less powerful than Welles is just wrong.

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Mad Hominem said...

I'm going with Gene Kelly.

Debbie Reynolds told interviewers that Kelly used to torment
her on the set, and that she used to run and hide under the piano
to get away from him. Her choice of words was "torment,"
but it's safe to say that, in family publications, they would
not print scandalous things like rape allegations when leveled
against their favorite stars. (Plus, her people probably DIDN'T
want a big hit like Singin' in the Rain to be tarnished
when it would be a source of residuals for years to come.)

Paul Saint John said...

Was anybody stopping her from leaving the set and the film altogether? Why did she choose to remain and endure sexual harassment? The answer is pretty obvious: she wanted famd and fortune, and acoordgly waited for decades before crying rap.
#MeTooIsBullshit

Jen Ty said...

Spoken like an ignorant pig or someone with no clue about the real world and certainly not the world then

Paul Saint John said...
The MeToo crowd are a bunch of phony old harridans who only cried rape many hears after they got the roles they wanted but are too old now for the casting couch. I call BS on the whole movement.

Those women in that era didn't know they had a choice and this woman manage to escape being raped - she had back up which is what more women apparently needed. Lot of these women were trying to escape poverty and their families were pushing them or relying on them. I mean look at you, you think all these women are lying now. Standard pig reply. You forget the males AND children are their victims too. So 5 year old Sally should have known better?

And bravo to her giving the creep a taste of his own medicine when she had the power. Predators like that deserve what they get and most of them ever get a fraction of what they deserve.

Anna Mouse said...

I remember reading somewhere that the reason Gene Kelly didn't want Debbie Reynolds for the role was that he thought she was too young for the amount of dancing/gruelling rehearsals, and that she'd almost certainly damage her body/legs that would come about when she was older. .......I'd hate it if GK is Mr R. I love his movies.

Paul Saint John said...

@ Jen Ty
I admit to being a heteropatriarchal pig by your standards. But who mentioned 5 years old Sally? We're talking about grown women. Pray tell me what poverty was Debbie Reynolds escaping from in 1952 America? There were plenty of jobs. Many blue collar jobs were better paid then than now.
As to modern actresses, what were they thinking when theywere going to Harvey Weinstein's room? That he'll pour himself a scotch and reminisce about his early days in the industry. Believe, those women knew what they were selling, namely their young tight pussies, and Weinstein knew very well that they couldn't refuse his advances.

plot said...

@Paul

Or she was good at her job and wanted to continue doing it. Debbie Reynolds was obviously an amazing presence on screen and a hell of a dancer. So she should quit what she is good at because you say so? Because you don't want to believe women are harassed by men on the job? Because your limited sphere can't deal with the idea that women should be allowed to take advantage of their talents and their intelligence without being abused by men?

I really don't get your point. Why should any woman quit a job that she is very good at? Why should she let a man drive her out of her profession?

Are you saying women should put up and shut up, or quit? Are those the only two options your world view will allow women to use?

Paul Saint John said...

@Plot
My point is there'll always be harassment because it's in the nature of men to harass and because there'll always be talented women ready to put up. It's in women's nature too to surrender to powerful men. They can't help themselves.

Mischief Girl said...

Can't we get a reveal on this one? I thought you couldn't libel the dead. Name names, please!

mercyprosperity said...

Probably someone like Bob Hope, Bing Crosby, or Jerry Lewis...

plot said...

@Paul

" It's in women's nature too to surrender to powerful men."

All women? Have you taken a complete survey on that? If that is the case, doesn't the divorce rate shock you?

My personal survey is that men who believe as you do often want the youngest women they can find so the girls can be indoctrinated into worshiping the man, keep telling him he is powerful every day, so he never feels that horrible lack of power that lives inside his nightmares and fears. Why do you think the first thing most cult leaders do is collect all the 13-year-olds and make them his harem?

The older women become, the more aware they are of dominating creepers, which makes it so very hard to force women into their "natural" roles.

But let's get back to the point that you haven't addressed - why should a woman allow a man to control whether she works in her field or not? Why let harassment have an effect on her life's work?

plot said...

And another thought, Paul, why are women expected to "put up with" the harassment of men while they, men themselves, are not expected to put up with the harassment of other men?

I mean, men want to be dominated as well, correct? Isn't the entire basis of military units, top to bottom? So, since you claim men will always harass, simply can't stop those guys, then other men should put up and shut up as well whether they are subjected to physical or sexual harassment.

That is logical.

Carolyn said...

Haha @plot "top to bottom" - I see what you did there.

Anyway, with you 100%, it is not only dumb to suggest that there will always be harassment because women want to surrender to powerful men, it's dangerous because it suggests women should stop struggling and just take it. Nah, fuck that, not gonna happen, definitely don't care about the opinions of dumb people, bye Felicia.

On the subject of this blind...I earlier suggested Clark Gable but peoples' points are well taken, I just don't think he fits. I understand Fredric March was a serial harasser but can't find much in the way of him interacting with Elizabeth Taylor, who is almost certainly Ms. C.

One big clue though to the timing at least is in the last paragraph, which notes that she donated the money to some of the first rape crisis centers. Those were beginning operation in the early 1970s - the Wash DC center was the first I think and it was established in 1972. The big event in question might be the Oscars; Liz was a presenter in 1970 and then in 1974.

But of course it's hard to figure out who might have been uninvited from something, as it's unlikely there'd be a record of it. Hmph.

Paul Saint John said...

@Plot
I won't answer to your pedo innuendos.
Who said women become more reluctant to be dominated as they get older? That doesn't really chanhe but how will you know?
To answer your final question, if women willing to get into Hollywood weren't willing to put up, there'd be less harassment. It's up to women to cry rape the moment they are actually raped, not 20 years after the fact.

Paul Saint John said...

@Plot
Typically, you're confusing military obedience with submission. Only gays and betas are submissive.

plot said...

@Paul

"I won't answer to your pedo innuendos."

The innuendos are all yours, which is not surprising. Seems a fixation for you.

"if women willing to get into Hollywood weren't willing to put up, there'd be less harassmen"

There would be less harassment if women had more power. That is not, of course, what sites like this one want, nor yourself.

"you're confusing military obedience with submission"

No I don't think I am. Men are naturally both obedient and submissive to other men they deem their betters. Every congregation of males has submissive hierarchies.

"Only gays and betas are submissive."

I'm sure you'd like to believe that. Ever tested that theory in practice?

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