Comments on Crazy Days and Nights: What If It Weren't Tom Cruise?

plot, I don't have an "un-biased website". Obvious...

2008-07-15T13:39:00.000-07:00

plot, I don't have an "un-biased website". Obviously you are already beyond the capability to accept that there are other viewpoints that yours.

But you don't have to find a balance, if you don't want to. Just don't claim to be "objective", that would be truly ridiculous.

Lu, your "unbiased" website and blog has come unde...

2008-07-15T06:12:00.000-07:00

Lu, your "unbiased" website and blog has come under heavy criticism from your betters - Operation Snow White never happened and was never connected to $cientology? oh pul-lease! Make up your mind.

It's pretty obvious what you are doing, though you will froth and spit at the very suggestion. SPs exist and they are legion in the $cientology community, consisting mainly of family members who leave the cult.

Unbiased sources don't do massive web searches to advertise their dubious theories on a debunked website.

so much stupid ignorance here...but your blog is s...

2008-07-14T14:19:00.000-07:00

so much stupid ignorance here...but your blog is so full of it, no wonder your readers are as well. no, kidman would not be labeled "SP" or anything else just because she does not continue doing scientology. don't read this:

http://www.scientologymyths.info/disconnection/

there are some major problems with the above argum...

2008-07-13T17:16:00.000-07:00

there are some major problems with the above arguments.
some are established "religions" (yes, i belong to one of them, but i now consider myself agnostic), the others are cults.
krisha, scientology, the recent type of "kabbalah" the weirdo multi-wife folks that are an OFFSHOOT of the LDS... these are the cults. any group that does not allow questions or open expression is a CULT.

and TCLTC. sorry, have to throw that in.

Carmen,You will find no love for religion here, of...

2008-07-11T14:56:00.000-07:00

Carmen,

You will find no love for religion here, of any stripe. the comparison of relative religious atrocities which I usually have to dispel is the constant refrain that Xtianity is the religion of love, Islam of hate. yeah right.

So we are on the same page here.

Plot-I have no intention of 'diverting' attention ...

2008-07-11T07:47:00.000-07:00

Plot-

I have no intention of 'diverting' attention from Scientology...I just think we could be a little bit better as people by being a little more tolerant and respectful. Personally, I think all religion is damaging...Every. Last. One. Of. Them. What Jenna Elfman supposedly said was terrible (I say supposedly because I've never heard that before) but it's no worse than telling gays and lesbians they're going to Hell or that they have no hope of being 'saved' unless they're willing to change. That's just as cruel as anything you say Scientology has done. Denying people their basic rights is despicable yet every single religion seeks to do just that. Hate Scientology all you want but understand that when you step back and take a long look at what you've written that you, my friend, is the one who is using diversionary tactics. I would be happy if Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Scientology and the rest could be done away with. I think people would be a hell of a lot happier and content. But that's just my opinion. Hey-feel how you want. That's your option. Me? All I wanted to accomplish was to remind people that we have enough hatred, intolerance, bigotry and ignorance in the world. We, ourselves, should try not to contribute to that. But hey...whatever makes you tick! Sorry I offended you.

Carmen,Yes I can hold $cientology responsible when...

2008-07-11T06:22:00.000-07:00

Carmen,

Yes I can hold $cientology responsible when Tom Cruise spouts off his "facts" about medication without a degree (from high school even.) When he claims that the Purif is the ONLY way to rid the bodies of cops and fire fighters of 9/11 related illness - he then becomes a messenger for a wholly dishonest religion and corrupt knowledge.

When Jenna Elfman tells kids with AIDS that she won't help them because AIDS is all in the mind - as per $cientology "research" - then I will blame the religion for using it's celebrities to create greater ignorance in society, ergo more idiots who will sign up for $cientology.

Is it different from other religions? Why is that important? If one set of idiots is no different than another set, except for competing totalitarian dogmas of prejudice and voodoo, that doesn't make $camology better, only just as bad.

And we are discussing $cientology at the moment, though it's a typical habit of the clams to try and divert scrutiny by pointing and screiching at other religions.

I have read that the rules for celebrity members o...

2008-07-11T00:35:00.000-07:00

I have read that the rules for celebrity members of Scientology are far more lax that those for non-celebs. They depend on the celebs to get them publicity (and of course money), and supposedly keep them in the dark about what non-celeb members have to do. Gotta love double standards!

All I can say is that it wasn't my experience. I n...

2008-07-10T22:16:00.000-07:00

All I can say is that it wasn't my experience. I never felt pressured to leave anyone, no one ever said I should and when I quit attending, no one ever pressured me to return. The only money I was asked for was when I was encouraged to purchase 'courses' or do the purification. That was pretty much it. That being said, if we're going to sling mud at religion, then let's be fair and mention the assholes who let their children die by witholding meds in the 'name of God', or the crazies that live by Jihad and think that killing innocent women and children in the name of their God is acceptable. Scientologists may believe in an alien named Zenu which makes about as much sense to me as believing in some guy that walks on water, brings the dead back to life and rises from the dead. As far as I'm concerned, every damn one of the aforementioned religions is a cult that depends on brainwashing. My original intent with my post was to point out that it's really not fair to bash other people for their beliefs just because you have a negative perception of them. Scientology has a lot of rich and powerful people who belong; many more than the detractors so, like every other religion who likes wealthy and generous patrons, can you blame them for using celebrities to promote their tenets? (Mel Gibson, anyone?)

Noone seems to have considered the fact that this ...

2008-07-10T21:33:00.000-07:00

Noone seems to have considered the fact that this story may be bullshit anyway. Maybe he didnt send enough flowers to fill a room. Maybe he sent nothing at all?

i don't believe tom cruise makes a move without ta...

2008-07-10T20:48:00.000-07:00

i don't believe tom cruise makes a move without talking to his publicist first. in his narcissism, he thinks the flowers---enough to fill her room---make him look like a great guy. actually, it makes him look like the huge prick he is.

You know, I have never understood all the Nicole h...

2008-07-10T18:04:00.000-07:00

You know, I have never understood all the Nicole hate. You can't read Lainey without a daily post on "Granny Freeze" etc, etc. She doesn't really interest me much, but she's done some amazing acting in the past. And I don't really see her manipulating the media/paps any more than any other A-lister promoting something.

Total PR move, and because his name/career is stil...

2008-07-10T16:13:00.000-07:00

Total PR move, and because his name/career is still in the toilet, he may have gotten permission. Since he's Nic's ex, it's VERY inappropriate, VERY bad form. In her place I'd have done what you wrote, sexecution, and given them all away to other patients.

Carmen, in theory, yes, $cientology is supposed to...

2008-07-10T15:38:00.000-07:00

Carmen, in theory, yes, $cientology is supposed to help people deal with their troubling situations. But the reality is, $ci doesn't solve a damn thing unless it can isolate ppl from their friends and relatives who are not $ci, and convince them that $ci only works if one is surrounded by other $ci's.

Tommie's mother had to leave her husband of 20 years because her $ci kids threatened her with disconnection if she didn't take up $ci and dump her critical husband. KatE dumped all her old friends, and has limited contact with her family. Issac Hayes was forced to quit SouthPark (the only job he's had in decades.) Will and Jada's life is becoming just as sequestered and creepy with their $ci school and their dwindling social life.

It's a cult, which gains adherents through a few common exercises, stolen from other sources, that they claim proves that there are thetans and engrams and a reactive mind. No one, in the age of the Internet needs to be falling for this crap.

Tom is a self-absorbed asshole.End of story.

2008-07-10T14:30:00.000-07:00

Tom is a self-absorbed asshole.

End of story.

sending a bucketoflowers would have satisfied the ...

2008-07-10T13:55:00.000-07:00

sending a bucketoflowers would have satisfied the obligation.
Filling the room, speaks of some weird, immature, self-centered, passive agressive jackassedness.
I'm sure the dad was thrilled, mission accomplished, no pun intended.

It's a shill organization, cult. Tom is one of the...

2008-07-10T13:40:00.000-07:00

It's a shill organization, cult. Tom is one of the biggest financial contributors, and the face of the church. He is Scientology to the world. He is also best 'friends' with the head of the Church. He's free to do what he wants. If he didn't send something it would have been bigger news - he had no choice really.

I bet those flowers never saw her room and they ended up all over the hospital with other patients. She wouldn't even look at them.

This is just like all the Middle Eastern psycho le...

2008-07-10T13:09:00.000-07:00

This is just like all the Middle Eastern psycho leaders. When you raid their compounds, you find nothing but Western Liquor, Western Porn, Western Movies, and Modern Western Conveniences such as toilets, bathtubs and bidets. They don't get excommunicated from Islam by Mohammed.

fuck the flowers, let her see her other two kids y...

2008-07-10T13:08:00.000-07:00

fuck the flowers, let her see her other two kids you crazy loon!

Sandman - you nailed it!

2008-07-10T12:53:00.000-07:00

Sandman - you nailed it!

Oh, Brenda, I'm so sorry for you!

2008-07-10T12:45:00.000-07:00

Oh, Brenda, I'm so sorry for you!

Carmen - I suggest you do some more of that religi...

2008-07-10T12:28:00.000-07:00

Carmen - I suggest you do some more of that religion research of yours to find out that Scientology is a freaking horrific nightmare cult that has destroyed lives. Yes, you do have to get rid of anyone, friends or family, who don't believe in the bullshit that drug addict R. Hubbard came up with.
Don't believe me? Then read what the cult's leaders' niece had to say. Her name is Jenna Miscavige Hill.

I thought Nicole never joined Scientology. I also...

2008-07-10T12:26:00.001-07:00

I thought Nicole never joined Scientology. I also think it strange to send her flowers. Maybe he did it for the kids's sake -- although wouldn't the flowers then be in their name?

What do you bet Nic was the one who called the pap...

2008-07-10T12:26:00.000-07:00

What do you bet Nic was the one who called the paps with her flower power love story?

TC is her one, true and forever love.

Keith who?

Read most of the stories and the quotes from Nic's parents; Sunday is Nicole's baby.

Keith who?

WAS there a hospital room to send the flowers to?

No pix's of Nic cradling her swaddled, triumphant accomplishment on the hospital steps before being whisked away to learn her lines for one of the multiple movies she's signed up for in the past 8 months.

The mistress of media manipulation missed her prime photo op?

She didn't take a curtain call after each stage of the pillow pregnancy was documented in every time zone from yoga to Starbucks?

Why?

hmm let's see there is a lot of people out there m...

2008-07-10T11:45:00.000-07:00

hmm let's see there is a lot of people out there missing family memebers who are in COS who might disagree Carmen. an SP is a suppressivre person and everything i read or saw pretty much states you're in or out with COS.

KatE did it in hopes of being sent away.