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Well, what I get from the Jason Beghe video is tha...

2008-05-25T21:50:00.000-07:00

Well, what I get from the Jason Beghe video is that he must have had some gains if he continued to take services for several years up to OT-5. Somehow these upper levels did not meet his expectations, yet I sense that he still has some respect for the organization, since he quotes, "I don’t have an agenda, Right now I’m trying to help. And I know the Scientologists are just trying to help. They’re just trying to help; I think that’s what most people are trying to do, they’re just trying to help." The Scientologists I've known are great bunch of people, do a lot for the community, and willing to go out of their way to help, so I agree with Jason on that point.

correction:www.enturbulation.org

2008-04-16T23:37:00.000-07:00

correction:
www.enturbulation.org

i completely agree about scientologists and the mo...

2008-04-16T23:36:00.000-07:00

i completely agree about scientologists and the mormons, and this is fully understood by leaders in both organizations.

for lulz watch greta van susteran defend the fdls which is NOT REALLY that different from the Mormon idea of the celestial kingdom.

those mormon women and totally brainwashed and in-bred. criminals. harboring criminals via brainwashing. they are like the manson girls were--that singsongy voice.
kk-creepy.

www.enturbultion.org
www.exmormon.org

Ok nevermind, I don't really want to get into reli...

2008-04-16T18:36:00.000-07:00

Ok nevermind, I don't really want to get into religious arguments/dicussions. I'll just keep it to the gossip from now on. Hope we can still be friends so I don't have to go back to loser commentless lurking-only status.

They are both cults based on brain-washing techniq...

2008-04-16T14:55:00.000-07:00

They are both cults based on brain-washing techniques that begini at birth. The following links are very interesting and talk about what these people don't want you to know, but what they honestly believe.

"The Dangers Of Mormonisn"
http://www.foundationsforfreedom.net/Topics/Belief/Mormonism.html

"What is Scientology"
http://www.xenu.net/roland-intro.html

I attended Narconon, but they did not want us to d...

2008-04-16T11:54:00.000-07:00

I attended Narconon, but they did not want us to discuss "Scientology" although L. Ron's name was all over the literature.

I think the program has a better structure than AA, or any 12-step program.

What was odd was that there was a disproportionate number of Mormons enrolled in the program. It was my first encounter with members of the Mormon group, and they all look sort of related.

Has anyone seen the Mormon episode on South Park?

The reason why I equate Mormonism with Scientology...

2008-04-16T11:01:00.000-07:00

The reason why I equate Mormonism with Scientology is because 1. the us vs. them mentality 2. it is documented, and proveable, that the origins are BUNK, full of lies and deception, and with the intent of creating a money-maker. There's not a word of the Mormon stories that I can believe, not a word. At least with Christianity and Islam, and Hinduism and Buddhism and Daoism, I cant PROVE someone was just out to make money...but with Scientology and Mormonism, you CAN. CULT.

Amy, the biggest Mormon celebritites are the Marri...

2008-04-16T09:33:00.000-07:00

Amy, the biggest Mormon celebritites are the Marriott family and they certainly get paid.Mormonism is very much like Scientology. You both believe that your "rulers" reside on different planets. Don't even give me the Jesus argument. Your "Jesus" isn't the one we know of in the Christian world.The Mormons aren't Christians though they profess to be. It is a blasphemus cult that believes in and strives for a polygamist afterlife.I know because I was married to a Mormon bishop.That is one scary cult! I'm glad I got out.

I'm Mormon and def. don't think we're like Sciento...

2008-04-15T20:10:00.000-07:00

I'm Mormon and def. don't think we're like Scientologists. I don't think we're nuts - btw the polygimist ppl are not mormon - our biggest "celebrities" are the Osmonds!! and no one gets paid.

Jax and Trix, awesome stories!!I think EL is doing...

2008-04-15T17:52:00.000-07:00

Jax and Trix, awesome stories!!
I think EL is doing a great public service by putting this information out there. Thank you!!!

Here is an article done by Rolling Stone Magazine ...

2008-04-15T17:02:00.000-07:00

Here is an article done by Rolling Stone Magazine a couple of years ago on Scientology - interesting & helps understand some of the, ah, 'terms' that they use...

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9363363/inside_scientology

On page 3 of the article, it says that (as of then) TCruise was an OT VII - perhaps now he is an OT III?

Which leads us to a popular theory among friends which is: since TC can now move things with his mind, this is how Katie got preggers. (This is before the LRH sperm theory.)

OK I looked it up: the level 8 OT's that he's talk...

2008-04-15T16:31:00.000-07:00

OK I looked it up: the level 8 OT's that he's talking about, according to the Scientology literature, are supposed to be able to "manipulate Matter, Energy, Space, and Time."

Basically, once you get to that level you're supposed to have some kind of superpowers. Cuckoo! Cuckoo!!

The reason I say he still needs deprogrammed is th...

2008-04-15T15:26:00.000-07:00

The reason I say he still needs deprogrammed is that his language is still totally entrenched in CoS lingo. Someone who knew absolutely nothing about Scientology wouldn't understand what he was talking about.

The good news is he's made the most important break. He'll lose the CoS lingo the longer he's here on the outside. He'll stop speaking of whether or not people are "clear" and he won't think about people's "classifications," etc.

Hmmm...makes the anti-Scientologist jokes on "Cali...

2008-04-15T15:11:00.000-07:00

Hmmm...makes the anti-Scientologist jokes on "Californication" last year all the more interesting. I had no idea that David Duchovny's childhood pal was in (and now out) with them.

Hi all,if anyone is interested in finding out more...

2008-04-15T14:37:00.000-07:00

Hi all,
if anyone is interested in finding out more about Anonymous, this is a good place to start www.expectus.info

Ent makes a really interesting point about Leah Re...

2008-04-15T14:29:00.000-07:00

Ent makes a really interesting point about Leah Remini "being everywhere."
Believe it or not, there are a TON of people who still have no idea what Scientology is, much less how dangerous it is.

LOL still though the idea of someone showing up to...

2008-04-15T13:30:00.000-07:00

LOL still though the idea of someone showing up to save your fish, is hilarious. I wouldnt put it past PETA! LOL.

My bf and I are very fond of guerilla theater...so thanks for the idea jax >:)

shit YES i know soul is soul and not sole..like fi...

2008-04-15T13:28:00.000-07:00

shit YES i know soul is soul and not sole..like fish.

damn.

lol Trix, my bro answers the door naked for them. ...

2008-04-15T13:27:00.000-07:00

lol Trix, my bro answers the door naked for them. they told them they'd be back on sunday to save his sole and he told em 'fine thats the day my nudist satan group meets here"

i'd do it too if it weren't for CCTV.

I'm with Jax--I didnt see a bitter, disgruntled, o...

2008-04-15T12:50:00.000-07:00

I'm with Jax--I didnt see a bitter, disgruntled, or crazy person. I see someone who is disappointed that something that was supposed to be positive did not deliver as promised. At later levels in Scientology, you're supposed to learn how to fly and bullcrap like that, so what he's probably saying, underneath it all, is that these higher level people, the OTVIII'ers, KNOW that they've been disappointed: they're not supposed to be getting sick, they're supposed to be developing powers, and none of it is coming to fruition. Yet they stay and convince themselves they are happy. Insanity.

I forgot to tell you all a great story. I'm sure a few of you remember me mentioning that the Scientologists had been regularly showing up at my apartment complex. Well, the Mormons are back in full force, too. I equate Mormonism with Scientology, because both you can basically prove are bullshit and were created as a money making scheme. You shoulda seen the look on their faces, when I grabbed the doorknob away from my boyfriend, looked right at them and said "You people are just as bad as Scientologists, get the hell out of here." The looks on their faces were priceless. No one has been back since.

Every time someone comes forward, this guy or Davi...

2008-04-15T12:48:00.000-07:00

Every time someone comes forward, this guy or David Miscaviage's (sp?) niece, and says what a crackpot cult this is it thrills me. I think, perhaps, finally there are little cracks forming in the bubble that Scinetology has placed it's "members" in. The truth will get out. You can ignore something if one or two former members say something but when several are all saying the same thing you can't hold back the floodgates. I also think Anonymous has played a huge role in people stepping forward. As for people saying that this guy should be worried - the minute you stop being fearful of the COS you've taken away most of their power.

I agree - the tide of anti-COS is definitely growi...

2008-04-15T12:41:00.000-07:00

I agree - the tide of anti-COS is definitely growing, giving the people who want out a bit more voice / security in numbers.

I think you're dead on DN - one of the minions will say this guy is disgruntled etc. I'll bet he didn't get something he was promised (acting role / moving up a level) so now he's have a public fit - double PR.

good for him..he's passionate about letting people...

2008-04-15T12:38:00.000-07:00

good for him..he's passionate about letting people know what a crock of SHIT this 'religion' is.

i didn't see anything crazy,programmed or disgruntled about him.IMO

he's pissed off and rightly so.

This guy may have gotten out, but he's still compl...

2008-04-15T11:53:00.000-07:00

This guy may have gotten out, but he's still completely brain-washed.

I see a lot of deprogramming in his future.

Good luck, sir.

According to this link: http://www.truthaboutscien...

2008-04-15T11:30:00.000-07:00

According to this link: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/l/leah-remini.html
Leah Remini was OT 5 in 2003. I'm betting she is higher now, and on top of that her mother is/was OT 7, so that probably helps, as well.