Comments on Crazy Days and Nights: Today's Blind Items & Timmy

the answer to this one is Heather Mills.......it w...

2007-11-24T10:05:00.000-08:00

the answer to this one is Heather Mills.......it was published elswhere with her name and photo some time ago...........I gather few people wish to be around her at at these days as they do not trust her.

I'm going with Paris for #2i think her crazy eye c...

2007-09-12T14:27:00.000-07:00

I'm going with Paris for #2

i think her crazy eye counts as a disfigurement, right?

#1 is NOT Ron Howard - Thank goodness - ewww. (Tom...

2007-09-12T12:07:00.000-07:00

#1 is NOT Ron Howard - Thank goodness - ewww. (Tom/Rita Brian/Gigi - nope nope nope nope)

#2 Julia Diaco - perhaps - sounds like her personality, she's got burn scars and she could be called a celbutante thanks to daddy Anthony.

Leslie, you might be right. I lost an old friend,...

2007-09-11T16:45:00.000-07:00

Leslie, you might be right. I lost an old friend, Justin, to AIDS. He hung out at Rock Hudson's pool parties. He was beautiful, young, blonde, and sophisticated. He said there were many there like him. And then there was the older crowd. He said it wasn't a blatant thing, with orgies or anything like that. Rock would never have gone for that. People hooked up in the usual lowkey way, via phone numbers, or a drive to another estate on another hilltop. I'd wager to bet a lot of the people who have been mentioned in these blogs, including George Cukor, visited up there. I know that Justin ended up hooking up with Peter Allen. All three contracted the virus. Rock died first. Then Justin, and then Peter Allen, five months after Justin, though they weren't together anymore. Perhaps this is more of an aside than anything tangible to go on, since I can't recall Justin mentioning any names. But I see that . . .

KK HAS BEEN ELIMINATED??!!

*********KK HAS BEEN ELIMINATED!!*...

2007-09-11T16:08:00.000-07:00

*****************KK HAS BEEN ELIMINATED!!**************

in case you haven't seen it yet, EL posted a littl...

2007-09-11T15:42:00.000-07:00

in case you haven't seen it yet, EL posted a little Timmy update and says maybe more later today:

"I will try and have a Timmy update later today including a NOT or two, although everyone seems to be convinced Shimmy is one of two people even though I haven't "notted" some of your other important guesses."

Myrlin that is freaky. Did you notice that on bot...

2007-09-11T15:35:00.000-07:00

Myrlin that is freaky. Did you notice that on both searches that Sunset Boulevard was 3 or 4 down on the list as well? (Not photos but articles).

Hmmm. Now I wonder.

Guys- the major symptom that was tested for was wh...

2007-09-11T14:06:00.000-07:00

Guys- the major symptom that was tested for was when typically gay men would come in with a form of cancer that creates sores on the skin.

This cancer was odd and raised flags at the CDC because it was typical in older men from the Mediterranean area.

That is why it was called "the gay cancer" in the early 80s

Pariss,I see no reference to a overall testing in ...

2007-09-11T13:31:00.000-07:00

Pariss,

I see no reference to a overall testing in 1981, young gay men who presented with pneumonia symptoms, yeah, but nothing about testing of all pneumonias.

Pneumonia is what will kill most of us. "Old people's friend" and all that. Nothing special enough in an old person to test for AIDS.

Timmie has got to be younger than AB would suggest.

Now one tack someone might take is to look for Timmie in a memorials for gay men who died early in the epidemic. They were martyrs, in a way, or got recognized as such later.

Off to look at the AIDS quilt..

k

No to throw a wrench in the works here, but if you...

2007-09-11T13:17:00.000-07:00

No to throw a wrench in the works here, but if you Google Image Search for 'Hollywood Theater Cast Picture' (no quotes), that picture is the first result. If you search 'California 1950s Cast Picture' you get the Golden Horseshoe Saloon pic. It's possible EL just Googled for generic images and there's no clue to be found there.

also let's not forget the San Francisco bath house...

2007-09-11T13:10:00.000-07:00

also let's not forget the San Francisco bath houses which the CDC had to close down because there were many people who were frequenting those places and a lot of the same people were coming down with “the gay cancer”

chenofan referred to Rock Hudson's pool parties. ...

2007-09-11T13:01:00.000-07:00

chenofan referred to Rock Hudson's pool parties. I think you may be onto something there, but I still think - and this is only what I think - no slam to the many people who've put a lot of work into the two AB theory, which I would love to be true even if both Alices were female - that AIDS-related deaths reported or whispered about in the early-to-mid-eighties had Rock Hudson's contemporaries at the oldest end of the spectrum.

So, yeah, I'd probably look for Timmy poolside at Rock Hudson's, but I'd be surprised if he were older than Rock himself.

But that's just me. Probably a little bit of ageism on my part.

I agree with you parisssBack then AIDS was know as...

2007-09-11T12:52:00.000-07:00

I agree with you parisss

Back then AIDS was know as the "gay cancer".

A great book on it which also covers the political aspect is And the Band Played On (don't rent the movie- the book is much better and really gets into all of the politics and how Reagan's administration turned its' back on what was going on.

http://www.aegis.com/topics/timeline/default.aspTh...

2007-09-11T12:47:00.000-07:00

http://www.aegis.com/topics/timeline/default.asp

This shows a good timeline of HIV in the US. I respect your opinion k- but if you look at 1981 it says that they were scanning anyone (esp. CA area) if certain symptoms were present, or if they were a known homosexual. I just don't think Timmy age is assumable based on the date and cause of his death.

Mullally -You said: "The Hollywood Theatre wasn't ...

2007-09-11T12:35:00.000-07:00

Mullally -

You said: "The Hollywood Theatre wasn't called the Hollywood Theatre during WW I..and I read the article on it and saw no mention of it being used for propaganda in WW I or that it presented boxing matches. It was a burlesque house from the 1940s to the 1960s."

This is part of the information I promised. I am still trying to track down again the other piece about WW1

“A boom in theatre construction took place in San Diego from the 1890s to the 1920s. Everything from musical concerts to serious theater, road shows, films, family-friendly vaudeville, and occasionally burlesque, could be found within the bustling core. The Lyceum, a medium-sized theatre for this period, was built in 1913 at 314-316 F Street by the Fontinelle family, who intended to produce serious
dramas. During the next several years, however, musical comedies dominated the program. The name and management of the theatre rotated frequently until becoming the Liberty Theatre.13 After World War I, the Liberty featured “musicale” (or “Mexican vaudeville”) and random events such as boxing. Shortly
after, ca. 1921-1924, it became the first and only theatre in San Diego to present an all-burlesque format with its own stock company.14 Historical photographs depict small but typical theatrical burlesque troupes.”

It wasn’t always a burlesque theatre and they did hold boxing matches.

k said:"My friends who died early in the epidemic ...

2007-09-11T12:25:00.000-07:00

k said:
"My friends who died early in the epidemic were 20 - 30. They hung out at places like Plato's Retreat and The Mine Shaft. I just can't imagine a 75 year old getting lucky in those places. Rock Hudson, sure. AB/Timmie, no way."

Rock Husdon had notorious pool parties where he brought in young rentboys and the like even in his later years. No reason not to think that if Timmy was gay he may have been a part of them or someone else's circle of notorious orgy parties even in his later years.

To Leslie, I think we are on the same track. Even...

2007-09-11T12:11:00.000-07:00

To Leslie,

I think we are on the same track. Even if AB/Timmie had ARC or AIDS pre-1985, why would anyone think so given that he would have been ancient and all the symptoms of AIDS could be attributed to just being old and infirmed?

Look, let's get real here. The explosion of sexual liberation of the 70s didn't include many of the elderly. The gay scene in particular idolized youth and complete abandon. Hello? The Band Played On, anyone?

My friends who died early in the epidemic were 20 - 30. They hung out at places like Plato's Retreat and The Mine Shaft. I just can't imagine a 75 year old getting lucky in those places. Rock Hudson, sure. AB/Timmie, no way.

Yes, Timmie could have caught AIDS in a variety of ways (one member of the extended family got it from a blood transfusion in 1983.) But why would anyone, before 1985, think that an old man with pneumonia or Sarcomas had anything other than pneumonia or Sarcoma?

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I thought #2 was Heather-Whatever that was married...

2007-09-11T11:00:00.000-07:00

I thought #2 was Heather-Whatever that was married to McCartney? It says she does it for power, not money. And she is actually disfigured. Not just ugly.

You guys are totally off the mark on #2. It's got...

2007-09-11T10:47:00.001-07:00

You guys are totally off the mark on #2. It's gotta be Julia Diaco, a.k.a. "J.Dia," the notorious pot princess, wannabe-singer and trust fund brat who has scars all over her body.

Mullally- I do apologize. Oral sex isn't a big t...

2007-09-11T10:47:00.000-07:00

Mullally- I do apologize. Oral sex isn't a big transmitter, but it is possible, when mouth sores/cuts in mouth are present. I wasn't trying to educate, and it is still possible to transmit that way. A friend of mine works in an clinic for HIV patients, and I called her to see what the possiblities were after I read your comment. I should have just said Timmy's age can't be determined by what he died of. There are many ways to contract aids- drug use(needle sharing, blood transfusion, sexual contact with an infected person. Saying he had to have died before his 70's or 80's- because he'd be too old and ugly to get laid- or because he'd be too old to keep it up- isn't a good way to solve our mystery. Sorry again Mullally!

It's true that old people have sex and get HIV. T...

2007-09-11T10:23:00.000-07:00

It's true that old people have sex and get HIV. There was a whole big thing about it not too long ago where post-menopausal women were testing positive, because, being beyond their child-bearing years and not thinking some old guy would be cheating on them, they felt safer than they were

It's also not too much of a reach to suggest that a sick old man might be tested for HIV or diagnosed with AIDS, say, around 1983 or so (when it was just called AIDS and when I was living in Hwood and heard that Tony Perkins had it - at the same time that David Bowie started claiming that he was straight all along, TP's marriage to that Berensen woman was in the headlines, and there was an article about "Michael Jackson - Finally a Man." My friend said those three articles were the funniest things he'd ever seen.)

But, still, it's really hard to say that someone who's really old has died of ARC, because, well, they're OLD. I like the AB theories, but not the timeline. I like the KK timeline, but not the theories.

So I think there's got to be a trick question in here somewhere.

I've been intrigued by the mystery aspect ENT ment...

2007-09-11T10:00:00.000-07:00

I've been intrigued by the mystery aspect ENT mentions and looked up Aimee Semple McPherson to see if she is connected since she was active evangelizing in Hollywood in the 20"s and mysteriously disappeared/reappeared in 1926. Then, I discovered that AB played her in a Manhattan play "Bless You, Sister" in 1928. The play didn't do well but the connection is interesting. Here is a description of the play: "Bless You, Sister will offend many people. It scoffs sharply at religion, contending bitterly that in some phases the word of God is simply salesman's talk. The special phase is female evangelism with the lady preacher magnificently displayed by Alice Brady. Such a play was virtually inevitable after Aimee Semple McPherson's gaudy publicity; another one is due next month with Pauline Lord as star. Bless You, Sister has many faults, but dullness is not one of them.

"Miss Brady plays a poverty stricken preacher's daughter. Desperate, when her worthy father loses his pastorate, she turns to evangelism under the canny tutelage of a red headed Bible salesman. She loves a worthless young man who stumbles into her temple tent just in time to be swept away by her passionate call for converted sinners. Later she must tell him it was fakery."

Re: BI #2 - To everyone saying Tara Reid "needs th...

2007-09-11T09:58:00.000-07:00

Re: BI #2 - To everyone saying Tara Reid "needs the money"...

Look into her real estate holdings. She's much richer than you think... as Ent knows very well.

Whether she's bitchy enough to do this, I dunno, but she definitely fits the "doesn't need the money" comment.

parisss said..."Viagra has nothing to do with get...

2007-09-11T09:44:00.000-07:00

parisss said...

"Viagra has nothing to do with getting AIDS. Many people are sexually active into their later years. Just because we think it may be gross, 70 year old men (and above)still enjoy sex. They can also be on the receiving end, which would make them even more prone to catching STD's. Oral sex also is a big transmitter. I don't think we should assume Timmy was too old to get laid. He may have also altered Shimmy's birthdate."

no..oral sex is NOT a big transmitter..sorry but I detest misinformation being put forth.

Timmy could have caught AIDS any number of ways fr...

2007-09-11T09:29:00.000-07:00

Timmy could have caught AIDS any number of ways from 1980 - 1985. They weren't screening the blood supply and nobody wanted to talk about "gay cancer," as it was known back then.