Wednesday, August 29, 2007

The Life And Times Of Timmy

I don't remember the first time I met JJ. It just seemed like from the first day I started at my first position he was there. It seems like he has always said he is retired, but at the same time it seems like he always has a piece of every project. JJ is pushing 90 if he isn't there already. He started in the business when he was a kid doing gofer work and his career rise has matched the rise of films through their infancy all the way to the present day. He knows everyone and for those few people he doesn't know, they certainly know him.


I've always told him he needs to write a book about his life and times and let future generations have an insight into his life and what he has seen. I get the feeling he has, although he hasn't ever confirmed it. Maybe he is waiting to publish it after he dies. I don't know.

With what I do now I don't come into contact with JJ much anymore on a professional basis but I always stay in touch on a personal basis. Every other month or so we get together for brunch and I get entertained for a few hours. I'm not sure what JJ gets out of it except for some company and some free food. Somehow I think I'm getting the better part of the deal.

This past Sunday the conversation turned towards an event he had hinted at previously, but had never really finished the story and I took the opportunity this time to get the answers I wanted.

All I will say about these events are they happened within the past 50 years and only about ten people know the whole story.

Timmy was a gay man at a time when gay men were treated miserably, not only in Hollywood but in the rest of the country as well. Timmy's homosexuality was compounded by the fact that he was very slightly built, had very pale features and a skin condition that prevented much hair growth on his body.

What Timmy had going for him was a personality that wouldn't quit and a way of capturing an audience whether one person, five hundred or through film that was unlike anything most people had seen previously.

Timmy grew up in the Northeast in a small town where he really and truly didn't fit in. At some point he knew he wanted to be an actor and began performing in theatres across the country. He would stick in a city long enough to work in some plays and shows and then move on when he heard of another opportunity in a bigger town or for more money somewhere else. Each of these moves pushed him further and further west to his ultimate destination in Hollywood.

When he first arrived in LA, the studio system was still going strong and most performers were tied to a studio for many years. They would often work on several films simultaneously and often share accommodations with other performers of the same level who also worked at the same studio.

Timmy worked often, but nothing more than a few lines here or there and spent a great deal of time in the "chorus" sections of musicals which were still fairly popular. To supplement his income Timmy began performing in local theatre productions. One night the lead actress was unable to perform and there was no understudy. A sold out audience was going to be sent home unless something was done.

Enter Timmy. With the audience none the wiser, Timmy performed the entire two hour show as the lead actress and received a standing ovation. He was brilliant and there was even a review in the paper which talked about this understudy who was even better than the regular actress.

As good as Timmy was, it was only for one night, and he went back to his regular role the next night. Timmy was excited about the possibilities the night before had held though and the response he received was never far from his mind.
After another year working at the studio without getting much further than bit parts, Timmy decided to do something which would put him in the spotlight. When his studio contract ended he basically reversed his original trek to LA and began performing in small town theatres again, but this time as a woman.

Timmy traveled and did the theatre route for almost two years while building up a resume and a background for his new persona. When he finally felt as if he had it down, Timmy returned to Hollywood. This time as a woman.

From his very first screen test as a woman, Timmy was destined to become a star. Timmy was initially given meaty supporting roles and moved into an apartment with two other women who worked at the studio. One of those women was JJ's wife. There was just no way for Timmy to keep his masculinity a secret in such close quarters and so the two women became Timmy's confidantes and helped him whenever possible.

Over the next two years, Timmy worked steadily as a woman and kept getting better and better roles. He was very rarely the lead, but in memorable role he was cast as the lead opposite a very closeted A list at the time actor who also remained single for his entire life. The two began a relationship which was always kept quiet but lasted for many years.

Shortly after Timmy was cast as the lead, he was cast in another role which is the subject of the blind. Timmy was incredible in this role and whether his acting was as a result of his new found love or as a result of just the right part at the right time, Hollywood took notice and so did the critics. During award season, Timmy began winning regularly for his role. I want to make it perfectly clear that none of these organizations knew Timmy was actually a man when they were honoring him with awards as an actress.

This award season was a blessing because it honored Timmy for his work, but at the same time the increased publicity and probes into his background were causing a great deal of stress and Timmy began getting hives and breaking out as the stress of trying to maintain three different persona's. Timmy himself, Timmy the actress, and Timmy the gay man in a loving relationship with a closeted star.

When it came to the very big award, the one with all the television viewers, Timmy won again. There he was, the woman who was really a gay man was being honored for being the Best Supporting Actress/Best Actress of the year. Its up to you to figure out which of the two he won.

After the award season, Timmy thought the hives and his skin would go back to normal, but if anything they became worse. The severe outbreak he had been dealing with had altered his body to the point where it just wouldn't go back to normal.

At that time there was no CGI, and makeup could only do so much. Timmy the award winning actress was having trouble finding work because of his condition and so he saw his career slowly work its way back down the ladder over the course of three or four years.

Timmy considered trying to resume a film career as a man but the skin condition made that impossible because it would have been one hell of a coincidence that two people who looked remarkably alike had the same condition. What he could do though was return to the theatre, and he did so, as a man and worked as a man until his death from AIDS related complications.

Sunday after brunch I went to Blockbuster and I rented the award winning film, and even knowing what I knew, when I watched it Sunday night it was almost impossible to tell. If you watch it carefully there is one giveaway which is a scar. It's not a big scar, but its evident in photos of the male Timmy which you can still find online in old cast photos and in the female version of Timmy as she acts her way to one of the biggest awards in films.

Timmy as an actor and actress was in over 100 films and theatre productions from Topeka to Broadway, but this is about one role and one award.

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YahMoBThere said...

dimes, that's true, I'm just trying to look at anyone we may not have considered.

Dire Potatoe said...

And, it says *Timmy* grew up in the NE, not necessarily the female persona. Her bio could list her as from anywhere. So looking for actresses born in the NE could be pointless. Or maybe not...

Unknown said...

It's not Josephine Hull. Josephine Hull is described as being "squat."
The BI clearly states that the award was NOT for the same movie in which he co-starred with the closeted gay actor. JH won the award for Arsenic and Old Lace in which she costarred with Cary Grant. She was 67 years old at the time. Cary Grant was 40.

Dire Potatoe said...

Um, I disagree. Josephine Hull was 5'3". Who knows what her body actually looked like under her costumes.
The award was NOT for the same movie with the gay actor. Right. Josephine Hull won the oscar/globe for her performance in HARVEY, not A&OL.

A&OL: She was reported to be 67. If she was being played by another man, say one who was born in 1909 or so, "she" would actually be 35. And Cary Grant was 40.

Unknown said...

Squat? How rude.

Have we ruled out Kim Hunter yet? That ape makeup would have covered any skin condition you can think of.

J said...

Again Kay Kendall grew up in the NorthEast of England...did ENT specify a country????

june said...

Donna,

I completely concur with your last paragraph. :-)

I still think the skin condition and scar are the key from the way Ent worded this.


"If you watch it carefully there is one giveaway which is a scar. It's not a big scar, but its evident in photos of the male Timmy which you can still find online in old cast photos and in the female version of Timmy as she acts her way to one of the biggest awards in films."

If we find award winning actresses with scars then we can see if other clues fit. So far I haven't found anyone with a definite scar or skin condition to convince me.

This is a choice BI with some fabulous comments and detective work.

YahMoBThere said...

Jac, I'm fairly certain he would have mentioned the person came from another country if they weren't from here.

parisss said...

In case anyone really wants to explore Josephine Hull more- I found pages from her diary dated 1920 on Yahoo! Here's the link: I'm too busy to read on today! Everyone's doing so well on this one!!http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3DJosephine%2520Hull%26fr2%3Dtab-web%26fr%3Dyfp-t-471&w=248&h=454&imgurl=ocp.hul.harvard.edu%2Fww%2Fimages%2Fphotographs%2Fhull.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Focp.hul.harvard.edu%2Fww%2Fpeople_hull.html&size=27.4kB&name=hull.jpg&p=Josephine+Hull&type=jpeg&no=1&tt=48&oid=d9a37784cca43ce2&ei=UTF-8

Dire Potatoe said...

That diary is from 1920 until 1924. AFTER the husband died.
It reads like a travelogue, and look at the changes in handwriting...

Dot Co Dot Il said...

One thing that most people are overlooking is that the actress is just going to 'appear' and then 'disappear'. That has to be factored in.

Hez said...

Best. BI. In. Ages.

It is absolutely NOT Shelley Winters. Girlfriend was a tank of a woman (not slight) and worked steadily from "A Place In the Sun" to "The Poseidon Adventure" thru "Pete's Dragon" (!!) and all the way up to her guest spot on Roseanne. Won 2 Oscars and died last year of natural causes.

I have to research the others, but I do think the skin condition and the scar are going to be a huge clue.

Amazing work, peeps!!!

Dire Potatoe said...

I'm new here. What's the protocol for ENT revealing the answer? I see some of the other blinds are revealed, but why and when?

Dot Co Dot Il said...

Kay Kendall didnt win an Oscar. How can it be her? Also where is her theatre background?

Unknown said...

Okay, here's another far-fetched one for ya: Katharine Hepburn.

She had a brother who died an accidental death at age 14. From IMDB:

"For many years after this, Katharine used his birthdate, November 8, as her own. She then became very shy around girls her age, and was largely schooled at home. She did attend Bryn Mawr College, however, and it was here that she decided to become an actress, appearing in many of their productions."

Is it possible that it was actually her sister who died, and she took on her sister's persona?

Also, from an article about the Sotheby's auction of her possessions:

"One of the photos on sale showed what Hepburn hid with make-up - deeply freckled skin.

"Ms Hepburn had freckles from head to toe, and in fact she did a number of self-portraits that showed them. The first time we looked at them we thought they were chickenpox," a Sotheby's spokeswoman said. "

Jen Ryan's Brain said...

nope...she was on broadway as a woman and in starring roles soon after college.

Fay Bainter? She died very young and won an Oscar...twice nominated...long theatre career

captivagrl said...

susan hayward suddenly arrives in hollywood(age 30)made up background story..few small parts..then lead with victor mature(closeted gay?) who never marries...a few years more good parts then I WANT TO LIVE!!! she wins nyfcc award, golden globe, and oscar....her career goes downward...in 1975 her death was reported but maybe she/he just went back to living/working as man.plus she was from NY..was the baby's name in I WANT TO LIVE! TIMMY????

RagDoll said...

It's not Miyoshi Umeki either....although SHE had me convinced there, for a hot minute, because of the "Timmy" thing. Miyoshi and her serious man-hands are on the cover of TIME magazine (Tim+E= Timmy)plus she's supposedly still alive (in Missouri someplace, doesn't say where, although Kansas City is in Missouri and Topeka is in Kansas).

I'm gonna ignore timelines for a second and go after A List actors who remained single all their lives(the lover), and actresses who appear, then do a fade-out with obvious scar/skin issues(Timmy)..I'll be back...

It also doesn't say "Timmy" never married (either as a guy or a gal) or had kids. It only says his lover "also remained single"

Amazing how many poor, innocent actresses of yore suddenly look like drag queens to me...LOL!!!

jessie said...

Hey, I'm new too, and I have spent my entire day at work on imdb and wiki trying to figure this out. I am really impressed with what people are coming up with!

I don't know if someone has already remarked on this, but Ent doesn't actually say that the closeted A-list co-star was "never married" as some have interpreted. He just says "who also remained single for his entire life". This could mean that he just never had a lasting marriage, not that he never had one at all... and I would assume that it also means he is either alive and still single now, or did not die married.

Jembily said...

Josephine Hull is compelling at first but if she changed to Shelley Hull, she lived to be 128 years old which would make her the oldest AIDS victim of all time as well as the oldest human. We probably would have heard about that.

Unknown said...

it says Timmy died from "AIDS related complications"...ppl with AIDS usually don't die from the virus itself, but from pneumonia...what did Cavan Kendall die from?

Jembily said...

Susan Hayward continued to act long after her award and was even a presenter in 1974. No.

Unknown said...

Much as I love Susan Hayward's work, I don't think this is her.

She started out as a model and got a spread in the Saturday Evening Post as a teenager (according to the biography channel profile I watched a couple of weeks ago).

Katherine Hepburn does fit some of the clues, but she was acting (as a woman) well into old age.

Jembily said...

Rex Harrison divorced his wife to spend his time with Kay Kendall in her last months. It's not her.

Jembily said...

It is NOT Katherine Hepburn. Come on. She lived a very public life from a young age and never stopped acting suddenly which is a KEY clue.

Dire Potatoe said...

Re: Shelley/Josephine's birthdate: Records were not well kept back then, of course. For my scenario to work, Shelley would have to assume the role of Josephine in the theater in the 1920s sometime. Shelley's bio puts his birthdate at 1919, but that could be 1909 or so, making him 19ish when he becomes Josephine.

But the AIDS thing doesn't wash at all. He would have died at age 90 something of "AIDS Complications". Shelley died of emphysema pneumonia in 2005. I dunno.

Again, how is the answer revealed by Ent, if at all???

In Search of Love said...

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a look at some of the old movie musicals from back in the day and look for guys who appear in choruses of films from the same studios, because Ent said it was back when actors were tied to studios.

I'm going to go and give it a try, perhaps if I come up with something, pictures can be matched to our female award winners.

Unknown said...

Im thinking we need to examine these pictures too. Perhaps the last picture with the legends of hollywood has a picture of the closted A-Lister in it?

One of the pictures is also of a cast of a stage production, could our Timmy be in this picture?

Could the western picture be a picture of the movie in which she met her A list lover?

Unknown said...

Wouldn't it be more efficient to rent some of the best actress/best supporting actress winning movies and look for scars on the winning actress? ;)

Pinky said...

direpotatoe - Enty sometimes gives reveals, but rarely on the juicy ones. Don't be holding your breath. ;)

Unknown said...

Could "scar" mean a mole? Kay Kendall has one by her right eye. Also, in something I read she has a very distinctive nose - apparently the result of plastic surgery from an auto accident.

Unknown said...

According to
http://www.dougmacaulay.com/kingspud/sel_by_actor_index_2.php?actor_first=Josephine&actor_last=Hull

"Very squat and tiny at 5 foot 2 inches with a craggy face and quivery voice she became most successful in her senior years."

I goofed, her awards were for Harvey. She was 64.
(Yeah, my math was waaaay off)

Unknown said...

Ent says:
"When he first arrived in LA, the studio system was still going strong and most performers were tied to a studio for many years."

So, I just discovereed this...
"This ultra-costly 1963 MGM epic (Cleopatra) has never been properly reviewed - for a variety of reasons
It almost single handedly ended the studio system."

Unknown said...

Oh that would be hoot, wouldn't it, if this turned out to be Elizabeth Taylor despite the fact that she fits just about none of the clues? :)

chickenrotini said...

OMG. Look at the photo I found on this page!

http://www.jansworld.net/golden_horseshoe_pages/gh_revue.htm

Anonymous said...

Remember, Timmy's actress persona has a made up personal history. He was freaked out about someone digging around to verify any of it, but he had a backstory for his actress self.

If it was never checked out and "she" faded out of the public eye long ago, well, it probably remains intact as a bio on the actress. You would find the made up backstory as a bio on wikipedia, for instance.

I think the person who suggested looking at an award winning actress who's career peaked with an Ocsar or so, and then she fell right off the radar for good 5-10 years later is on target.

The career peak/award should be from the 40-mid 60's. By the late 60's no one was truly a slave to the old studio system.

Lynne said...

I believe it Timmy is Kay Kendall. She had good supporting and lead roles in movies before Les Girls. One of them was with Dirk Bogard, whose imdb bio states pretty clearly that he was gay. He also never married.

I have read that Rex Harrison was gay, too. He may have been one of the ten or so people who knew that Kay was a guy.

It makes sense, too, that Timmy would kill off his female persona before resuming life as a man.

Jembily said...

I've gone through every actress on both award lists and I can't find anyone that mysteriously vanished a few years after winning. It must have been the Golden Globes award unless there is another one that I'm missing. It may not be a bad idea to start looking at all Oscar nominees as you would think that if someone won a different award they were at least nominated for an Oscar.

chickenrotini said...

For those that couldn't get the link I posted above, the last part should be gh_revue.htm

I got cut off!

Jembily said...

I hadn't thought about the Rex Harrison/gay angle. That does help. Maybe you're right.

Unknown said...

chickenrotini,

awesome sleuthing! how did u find it? this has got to lead us somewhere...this is by far the best BI ever!

Unknown said...

Oh my God, chickenrotini, how the hell did you find the same picture that's in the BI?

Now I have to check out all the info about the cast - does that Don Novis guy look like a woman to you?

Lynne said...

Has anyone seen Les Girls? I want to rent it now, but my husband thinks it's just too creepy.

I misspelled Dirk Bogarde's name in my first post. I would consider him A-list from that time period since we still know who he is. He and Kay appeared together in "Docotor in the House" in 1954. His imdb profile references the "death of his partner Anthony Forwood."

Methinks the puzzle pieces are forming a picture...

Unknown said...

I was looking at Dirk Bogarde's imdb page yesterday.

The only thing that made me think he wasn't Timmy's 'muse', so to speak, is that he made no bones about the fact that he was gay.

chickenrotini said...

I Googled broadway musicals cast photos and searched the images. I haven't been able to find the other photo yet.

delcodave said...

my guess is... Amanda Blake

Jembily said...

If the thought is that Kay Kendall became Cavan, that doesn't work very well. Cavan was born 16 years later and was in a movie when he was 15. It is doubtful that Kay could have gone from heartthrob looking actress to boyish looking boy so suddenly.

Jembily said...

Amanda Blake doesn't work at all. Read the clues!!!

Unknown said...

What if Timmy’s lead actress role opposite the closeted actor (prior to doing the movie that won her the AA), wasn’t in a movie at all, but a play?

Umpa Lumpa said...

I have been reading this since yesterday. Every time you guys make a new post, I am looking it up. This is best dam BI I have ever read and I am a BI addict. I want to say Shirley Booth but she was born and raised in NYC and "timmy" was from a "small" town in the north east. Jeeze this is hard but FUN AS HELL!!

merrick said...

maybe we are working the wrong angle here .. maybe we should figure ot who jj is and then his wife ..

curious_cailyn said...

WOW. My head is spinning a little from all of this... I have no clue who Timmy is, but I do have a couple comments:

First a quick one: In these pics from the set of "Sexy Beast," Kay Kendall's brother Cavan has neither "very pale features" nor any lack of facial/body hair:
http://www.juliannewhite.com/pic9.jpg (white shirt) http://www.juliannewhite.com/pic11.jpg (blue shirt)

MAINLY, though, I'm curious why no one's picked up on JO's excellent guess that J.J. is actually A.C. Lyles... Am I missing something?

#1) Ent tried to be coy but he obviously knows JJ's AGE! He said he's "pushing 90," which would make JJ 89. And guess how old A.C is? Yup, 89.

#2) In MONDAY's "tease," Ent said JJ was a producer ....A.C. is a looooog-time producer with Paramount.

#3) Everything else is dead-on, too: Like "JJ", A.C. started in the biz as a KID and has worked in pics since the "silent film" days... Like JJ, A.C. knew EVERYONE (Bob Hope, Marilyn Monroe, Ronald Reagan, etc.), LOVES to share his Hollywood stories, and even has a star on the Walk of Fame. (Google him, or check out this 2005 "LA Weekly" article: http://www.laweekly.com/general/features/the-producer-ac-lyles/8056/)

#4) LASTLY, A.C. was married to at least ONE Hollywood starlet who worked during the studio days... His marital status can be confusing, however. A.C. did, in fact, marry "Martha Vickers" in 1948, but that marriage lasted only a few months. (She went on to marry/divorce Mickey Rooney & some polo player before she died in 1971.)... However, A.C. appears to have married ANOTHER "Martha" in 1955. I can't find her maiden name, but they became good friends with Nancy/Ronald Reagan, and James Cagney and his wife, etc. They're still married today, and live in Bel Air.

I realize all of this doesn't tell us a damn thing about who "Timmy" is/was, but ya gotta start somewhere...

chickenrotini said...

Something I didn't catch before. ENT says:

"Timmy as an actor and actress was in over 100 films and theatre productions from Topeka to Broadway"

Topeka to Broadway - Is this important? Could Timmy have a connection to Topeka?

Sorry if someone has already mentioned this, there's just so much activity here lol.

Unknown said...

I think Don Novis could pass for Josephine Hull. And so could the woman in this picture - http://www.jansworld.net/images/GoldenHorseshoe-BettyTaylor4.jpg. You don't think Novis could have been the understudy to this woman and stole the show, do you??

Unknown said...

WAY TO GO FOR FINDING THAT PIC!

I think it's totally Don Novis for Timmy- look, there appears to be a seven year gap in his acting, he died in 1960 (which would mean it was within the past 50 years) and he was in a whole lot of productions on the stage.

So, if it is him, then we're looking for the actress who won an award between 1937 and 1944 - which, is in the studio age.

I know he grew up in England, but like others have said, the Northeast thing could just not mean the eastern seaboard.

Perhaps we've all been working backwards, trying to find the woman, when if we found Timmy, we could figure out when the woman was famous.

I have to get back to work or I am going to get fired for this BI.

parisss said...

There's a new post from Enty with updayes in case anyone hasn't seen them yet!!

Jembily said...

More about Martha Vickers..nothing about roommates:

http://www.glamourgirlsofthesilverscreen.com/show.php?id=278

Unknown said...

Yeah, I agreed with Joe that it sounds like AC (who, if you've ever met him, ALWAYS tells amazing anecdotes). But because he does know everybody, it could be anybody (who roomed with Martha before she married him in 1948).

According to the new clues, the actress died between 1980 and 1985. Back to imdb...

Kim's World said...

hey you guys if you go to blockbuster online you can find who won for best picture for the oscars and scroll down and it has other award that were won as well including best actress or supporting.....

Kory said...

OK all you sleuths. I would like all you researchers to say why Judy Holiday is not the one.

http://wilderworld.podomatic.com/2007-01-04T00_32_39-08_00.jpg

curious_cailyn said...

*** DIMES:*** Actually, Ent didn't say that the ACTRESS died between 1980-1985, he said that TIMMY died between 1980-1985. There's (potentially) a big difference!

curious_cailyn said...

Kory: ...Yikes! Those are some huge MAN HANDS! :0

Unknown said...

Judy's imdb bio is remarkably close to the clues. She died of breast cancer in 1965.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0391062/bio

(And she was in a movie with Gene Kelly just prior to winning the AA, but she was uncredited, not the lead).

Assuming she didn't really die and continued acting as a man until dying between 1980-1985, what was her name as an actor?

Unknown said...

Martha Vickers was known most for her role in The Big Sleep, which was made by Warner Bros at the time - so I think that Timmy has to have been with WB

d said...

re: Judy Holliday.

Good question, does someone have something to disqualify her?

Olive Oï said...

Kory I also liked the idea of Judy Holliday, but the problem is that she maintained a succesful film career, including acclaimed movie roles and various award noms, for a whole decade *after* she won an AA in 1950. The BI makes it sound like Timmy's slowly career took a dive right after the AA.
This BI is making me crazy !

Unknown said...

Judy Holiday was famous for Born Yesterday and that was owned by Columbia. So there is no Vickers connection.

merrick said...

If I am reading the bi correctly and the clues, timmy, as a man, continued his catreer in the theatre after winning the oscar as a woman .. then we need to find the "man" who died in somewhere between 1980-1985 before we can figure out who the "woman" was .. make sense? I do not know anymore, as I am obsessed ...

Lynne said...

According to imdb, Judy Holliday was married for 10 years to Dave Oppenheim (1948-1958), and they had one child. I would say that disqualifies her.

Jembily said...

Also, Judy Holliday had a son.

Kory said...

I just went through all the Best Actress Oscar winners down to the 20's. This is the closest fit that I could find. She has the smallest screen career of all the winners. She came out of nowhere in film. She started with many suspicious "uncredited" roles. She is an only child - no siblings to verify. She came from and returned to the theater after she small movie run.

Just because she has no connection to A.C., does not discount her because we don't know that A.C. is correct. He is as correct as JH is right now. We aren't sure.

I'm not saying that it's her. I can't see a scar and so forth, but it's the best I've seen so far.

I have not tried Best Supporting Actress. Quite frankly, I'm tired after checking BA's.

captivagrl said...

anyone check anne revere? just looks like a man

Unknown said...

Kory said...
OK all you sleuths. I would like all you researchers to say why Judy Holiday is not the one.

Because she was a nice Jewish girl

Lynne said...

You can rent Born Yesterday at a regular Blockbuster, and it was just on TCM. Come to think of it, you may also be able to rent Les Girls, but I'm still nailing my flag to Kay Kendall. For now.

Unknown said...

Does anyone think that, since one of us was able to find a picture online that has been posted with this BV (and maybe that pic has a connection to Timmy) that the down-low actor is in the color pic above??

captivagrl said...

i'm looking @photos on movie actors.com...i think it's anne revere..bio mostly fits

d said...

I thought Anne Revere doesn't fit because she didn't disappear shortly after winning her oscar. She worked up until 1975.

claire said...

Actors that died 81-85

Strother Martin
George Raft *
Duncan Renaldo
Jay Silverheels
Milburn Stone
George Tobias
Bobby Van (aka Robert Jack Stein)
Tom Drake (Alfred Alderdice)
Alan Webb
Hans Conried
Helmut Dantine
Hugh Marlowe
Takashi Shimura
Raymond Massey
Christopher George
William Demarest
John Le Mesurier
Maurice Ronet
Simon Oakland
Michael Conrad
Rod Cameron
Jerry Fujikawa
Marcel Dalio
Paul Fix
Leonard Rossiter
Ian Hendry
John Marley
Orson Welles
Rock Hudson
Yul Brynner
Michael Redgrave
Edmond O'Brien
Richard Haydon
Louis Hayward
Edward Andrews
Richard Greene
James Craig
Kent Smith
Scott Brady
Bernard Lee
Ross Martin
Melvyn Douglas
Jack Albertson
Harry von Zell
Nils Asther **** (very feminine)
George Voskovec
Arthur O'Connell

Unknown said...

Do any of those guys look like Judy Holliday? (I think we can rule out Orson Welles and Yul Brynner.)

claire said...

I am sure many can be ruled out but then again who who ever have thought she was a he to begin with? I thought I would throw everything out there. Many had no pictures so I am starting research now....

Unknown said...

I have seen Les Girls and other Kay Kendall movies. She's tall and slim, elegant looking. I can't imagine her being a man.

Hez said...

Remember the scar and the bad skin, kids!

That Judy Holliday pic does look like she's hiding something with the turtleneck and the shadows on the face...

I am the Road Warrior said...

"Hattie McDaniel is an interesting guess but did she ever win an award?"

You didn't really just ask this did you?

Unknown said...

kay is tall slim and elegant looking... butso is timmy

claire said...

I don't think it is Judy. Here are some photos that include some from childhood

http://www.wtv-zone.com/lumina/judy/other.html

S said...

This is hilarious, but just a typo, right?! (It's in a photo caption)

"Judy Holliday with his co-stars in ADAM'S RIB (1949)"

see http://www.movieactors.com/winw/w50.htm

Also, re: Kay Kendall - I read a quote that she didn't like to photographed in profile, because of her "nose." Adam's apple, anyone??? hmmm.

Unknown said...

Kory,

Its not Judy Holliday because she worked 10 years after her Oscar win. Ent says she only worked 3-4 years after her win.


-Sincerely,
Sleuth

Unknown said...

Everyone keeps thinking that she is a woman who looks like a man.

Ent says he was very convincing as a woman, no one noticed, and only 10 people know?

This to me sounds like someone no one would EVER think

Unknown said...

what are the three sites that have posted this BI and guessed correctly? I know Blind Item Collective has: http://blinditems.typepad.com/dish/2007/08/the-actress-who.html and guessed Kay,
and oh no they didn't has posted this blind- but only guesses are in their comments section. Other sites?

ATP said...

As I see it, the main problem with Kay Kendall is that she was a contract player for Rank Studios, which was a British studio, and was only loaned to MGM for "Les Girls." Her father was a well-known British vaudeville impresario who wrote descriptions of her. That would belie the made-up background Ent has said Timmy gave his actress.

Unknown said...

New to post but long-time reader. I am addicted to this blind item. Searched everywhere for an urban legend but none came up. I also believe the award had to have been for best-supporting actress. Easier to fade away.

Unknown said...

In Ent's clarification, he said that three of the blogs out there got it right. Kay Bainter comes up two of the three blogs I found; however, on wikipedia, her film work goes up to 1961.

Kay Kendall's body of work goes up to 1955, and this: " At seventeen she landed a major role in the ambitious musical London Town (d. Wesley Ruggles, 1946), a film best known for its massive box office failure. Kendall, never a great dancer or singer, gave up the business in embarrassment."

Not sure if it's her now.

Maureen said...

Okay, this may sound a little far-fetched, but bear with me. Actress: Kim Hunter; Actor: Nick Adams; Closeted A-lister: James Dean (or possibly Elvis). Now just hear me out. I know the timelines are a bit whacky, but go to the Nick Adams page and read his bio on wikipedia. Now, look at some photos of Kim Hunter on Google and move them right up next to the ones of Nick. They have the same shaped face; same lips, and very similar nose and eyes.
His bio on WIKI sounds as if it begins after he returned to being a male actor again. Since he died so young (36) maybe he decided to go back to his female persona and live out his life that way, which would make up for the discrepancy in age. Also, Kim Hunter only made a couple more movies after her Oscar win in 1951, and the The Planet Of The Apes movies, where she was completely disquised (as an ape!) were made 14 years later, which was during the time Nick Adams was busy being famous and acting.
I know it sounds crazy, but that's the name of this blog, right?

Unknown said...

I haven't ruled out Kim Hunter yet, but Nick Adams died of an OD in 1968. According to imdb,

Was found dead on the night of February 7, 1968. He was braced against the bedroom wall with his eyes staring wide open.

Whoa.

rakemama said...

Grace,

Fay Bainter's grave is pictured on Find-a-Grave. She's buried with her husband. I do agree we need to figure out who the other blogs are guessing, though.

Unknown said...

I agree it cannot be Fay Bainter. I have yet to investigate the Kim Hunter thing.

YahMoBThere said...

Maureen, according to this article:

http://crimemagazine.com/03/nickadams,0815.htm

Nick Adams and James Dean were lovers.

BUT, he couldn't have died of AIDS ( or must we now say ARC? Geeze!) in the 1960's, so I don't know how you can reconcile that.

admin said...

My guess is Julie Harris, who looks like a frail boy in her wiki bio photograph.

Joe said...

Kay Kendall? It says she died of myeloid leukemia and Rex Harrison learned of it through her doctor.
Was there a body?
A funeral?

Joe said...

And another thing -- in his update with new clues EL said:
"Why does the date of death of the "actress" matter? If she is in fact even listed as deceased."
If you won an Oscar in the 30's or early 40s, you're most probably dead by now.
What "Timmy" has done is, in effect, to fake someone's death. Undoubtedly easier to do 50+ years ago than now but:
How did "Timmy" do it?
Was it just a press release with a "private" funeral and no wake or memorial service?
(That would be a sure way to get people to stop looking for you.)
OR -- much more likely -- did the person just "disappear"?
Any minor star actress from that period could just fade into oblivion, but if you have won an Oscar the media generally wants to keep tabs on you.

Dana Lauren said...

He would of had to fake a death which was NOT easy back then, people might not have been technologicaly advanced but they were not stupid.

The actress would of had to fade into oblivion, but as we can see... every single actress listed has a recorded death and cause of death.

Also, the blind item says the man died when he was pushing ninety years old in the mid eighties, which means... he would have been born around 1900. He would not have been a spring chicken in 1940 and beyond so it was probably before then.

Rule out any actress who was married or had children that would not have been possible.

featherbell said...

I think angela nailed it: Gayle Sondegaard. A lot of her bio fits, plus she was famous for wearing those turbans (so gay!) And because the name "Gale Sondergaard" reminds of "Christine Jorgensen." Just a thought.

ATP said...

Dana, it's JJ that's pushing 90. We weren't given an age for Timmy at his death. I would imagine he was around JJ's age or a bit younger (since JJ's wife roomed with "her"), and if JJ's near 90 now, he was in his late 60s in the early 80s.

Debra--Gale Sondergaard went back to Hollywood years after the HUAC things made her leave, presumably when Timmy was back to working as a man on stage.

Dana Lauren said...

Gale Sondergaard had two children and died at age 86, don't you think he would have killed her off earlier?

Dana Lauren said...

Someone said Timmy is Robert Drivas, it seems a good a guess as we're going to get.

Dana Lauren said...

The clue is in the scar, the EL said there are pictures of Timmy on the net with a visible scar. The actress Timmy will also have the visible scar in the movie she was best known for.

I am the Road Warrior said...

Would Timmy's closeted A-list lover have been one of his roommates from his days as a man?

YahMoBThere said...

Road warrior, EL didn't say anything about that, so I don't think I'd add that element into the mix at this point.

merrick said...

i dont know about the rest of you guys, but i am totally drawn into this and can think of nothing else but timmy .. we need to solve this so i can move on ...or else, i may be fired ..

i was wondering this morning why "timmy" was chosen for the name .. could it have been a character that either the male/female had played ..

i am grasping here .. help!!

YahMoBThere said...

Me, too, Donna, I'm just fascinated by this. And I have work to do and shouldn't be here!!!

Okay, assuming this woman had no kids, if we go through the list of Oscar wins from the beginning of time until 1980, who do we come up with?

Unknown said...

i think that it would work backwards: getting a list with A list lead men " who remained single their entire lives". Then sort the award winning movies out and look at the female leads.

budford said...

Teresa Wright or Majorie Main

merrick said...

TS .. if I had more time, believe me I would put this on a spread sheet and work it from there ... but, alas, my boss wouldnt be too keen on that .. I just want to figure this out so baaad ...:)

I am running out of angles here ...

YahMoBThere said...

Donna, you are SOOO funny!

Please, if you have some time this weekend, will you work on an excel and do a pie chart for us?

Budford, Marjorie Main didn't win an Oscar.

blooter said...

I don't think we should solely depend on Oscar winners anymore. If Ent wanted to say the Oscars, I think he would have instead of leaving it ambiguous.

merrick said...

ts. i am getting a stiff neck from checking to make sure that no one is looking over my shoulder the 100x times i am checking the comments and the internet for timmy ...and that is only this morning ...

pie chart .. hell, I will make a power point pres if I figure this out ..

Unknown said...

I think a lot the actresses looked like men in drag back then, however I think it wouldn't be someone who looks obvious or suspicious since Ent said after watching the movie, he still couldn't believe how well Timmy passed as a women. Also, I think it is a Best Supporting Actress because Ent referred to the role opposite the A Lister to be as a lead, which distinguishes it from the Oscar winning role. Also, I know this BI is crazy, but it really isn't so hard to believe. Plus, most of us know Ent has proven to be credible and his BI's come out even if he doesn't reveal.(ie Michael Vick) I think the pic that chickenrotini found is a doorway to Timmy as a guy on stage before his girl persona. That website offered info on all those who performed. I know this doesn't help much, but there was a performer listed whose whereabouts were unknown and her name was Tammy...just thought that could have been where Timmy's pseudonym came from...

Unknown said...

Donna, I salute you!
:)

Unknown said...

"in the female version of Timmy as she acts her way to one of the biggest awards in films."

I am beginning to think it is not an Oscar. AA isn't one of the biggest awards in films, it's THE biggest.
Just a thought.

YahMoBThere said...

Donna, you need to go home sick, hon. I'm worried about you. And your neck!

Fabiola, I think since we were all guessing Oscar winners, that EL would have corrected us in his list of additional hints.

budford said...

TW was slight. Had pale skin. Famous clause that prevented cheesecake photos. Came from the northeast. Won the GG. Fired when she refused to do publicity. Subsequently hired by independent producers who would probably be understanding. Divorced when husband would not allow her to take care of the kids. Nominated three times for first three films.(Critics loved her?) Disappeared then reappeared much later in career.Pictures all hide neck area.

YahMoBThere said...

Budford, she was eliminated in the other thread because she won her Oscar in 1942 and contined making movies until the 1970's. Also, she died in 2005, long after Timmy passed away.

Unknown said...

But it's Timmy who grew up in the northeast - the "actress" bio could say anything, although I'm disqualifying actresses with easily-checked backgrounds (ie, whoever it is that's the granddaughter of Frank Lloyd Wright, a couple others have fathers who were prominent in some industry).

I'm also not sure we can discount an "actress" who has children, because they could have been adopted quietly.

Man, this is hard.

Molly said...

That "western" picture is from Disneyland.

Unknown said...

I think Gloria Swanson

YahMoBThere said...

Gloria Swanson had an affair with old man Kennedy, so it's not her.

Melody the First said...

Nick's secretary used to say that "Nick wishes he had an affair with James Dean" ... in other words, he didn't.

As for the actress and hir identity, I am, as ever, clueless.

Unknown said...

it could just as easily have been a golden globe and not an oscar. maybe we should look at golden globe actresses who didn't win he oscar for a role, but did get the golden globe during the studio age

Unknown said...

BTW i'm ruling Kay Kendall out, because she stared acting in 1944, when her brother. Cavan Kendall was 2 years old.
Then again it might be her, but then the real Timmy just wouldn' be her broher

Unknown said...

We have checked out the Oscar winners from 1930 to 1985...ruled everyone out. We also checked the golden globes from the inception to 1980...and ruled everyone out.

Its either everyone's career was way too long, too short, or they are still alive.

Does anyone know if there was a popular awards ceremony that was VERY popular back then but isnt so popular today?

Unknown said...

I forgot all about the first photo. I'm on the East Coast, so I have no idea what street it is, but can anyone identify the model year of the car? Looks to me like about 1953, but I'm no expert. But that may be helpful in pinning down a year for Timmy's heyday.

TBone said...

According to imdb.com there was a movie named "Topeka" in 1953. Think Timmy was in it?

Melody the First said...

My husband tells me the old car in the first photo looks to him like a 1949-1954 Ford or maybe Chrysler.

Unknown said...

Google "Cyrus K. Holliday" and see what comes up.

Dire Potatoe said...

Photos:
The first pic with the car appears to be a mid-1940s Plymouth or Chrysler on a Hollywood street. Guessing 1942 for the year of the car.

The second pic we've identified as The Golden Horseshoe Saloon in Disneyland, the original cast photo which is from 1955.

The third pic that nobody has yet to identify I think, is the cast photo from a loser of a musical, "Miss Liberty" by Irving Berlin. It had a very short run from 1949 to 1950, only 300 or so shows, and was eclipsed by better musicals of the day. It started its run in Pennsylvania, I think and wound up in NY.

The mural has pictures of: Elvis, Hitchcock, Bergman & Bogie, M. Monroe, Laurel & Hardy, John Wayne, Marlon Brando, Charlie Chaplin, James Dean. I think this poster is a compilation of murals painted in Northridge by Eloy Torrez in 1983. It was destroyed by the earthquake in 1994 and they kept fragments and are sponsoring a new version by Torrez himself.

Dire Potatoe said...

The legends poster is not the one in San Fran... it's another like one by Kurt Degen, a German commercial artist.

Unknown said...

Thanks Melody & direpotatoe for ID'ing the year of the car. Despite my having asked about it, I'm not sure it will help, but I think the more we can ID the better. Direpotatoe, I take it you're not sure about "Miss Liberty?" the headgear on the woman in the center of the pic makes it a good guess, though.

Dire Potatoe said...

I haven't confirmed the actual picture online, but I'm all but certain.

mandjo said...

James Dean was never married. He was A-list, and supposedly gay.

sauvage said...

I've been reading the comments since the BI came up and decided to join (after one day of doing practically nothing other then checking Google and IMDB, like so many other here), and here's what came to my mind: I think we can rule out any actresses with children, even if they were adopted because: It is easy to invent a marriage which already has "ended" BUT even back then it would have been impossible to adopt a child without having shown other papers than only your driver's licence. And I don't think Timmy would have gone that far to fake a birth certificate, don't you think? It would have brought him to prison, why should he have risked that? He would have been "the pervert who dressed like a woman and even adopted children" - no way he would have done that.

SO: Timmy might have been "married" (and I think: only once) but he would have "ended" the "marriage" some time before he got to Hollywood, I guess.

As for the male closeted actor and all the guesses that it could have been James Dean: He died in 1955, and if their relationship lasted "for many years" it would have started at least in the late 40s - which might help with the timeline.

Another thought: What if the closeted actor had been so closeted that nobody knew until now?

Melody the First said...

I doubt seriously that it's Dean. He was 24 when he died. He didn't have a long time in Hollywood prior to his death. In the 40s, he was a teenager in Fairmount, Indiana.

budford said...

I don't get the "three personas" part.
1. timmy
2. timmy as actress
3. timmy as gay man

How about Marisa Pavan? Pier Angelis twin came out of nowhere to play (and win) a part that Pier turned down.

Unknown said...

Judy Holliday anyone? Her first knowed film was Adam's rib and the next year suddenly she won the Oscar and the GG for Born yesterday, the she did some forgotted films and then she died.

Unknown said...

Regarding the page for the theater production that was linked to up the page a bit, and Don Novis, I found this on a bio for Wally Boag on Wikipedia:

"In the early 1950s, while appearing in revues in Australia, he met tenor Donald Novis. It was Novis who got Walt Disney to audition Wally for the Golden Horseshoe Revue, a 45-minute stage show which was written by its first pianist Charles LaVere and lyricist Tom Adair. Novis was the show's first tenor and was replaced by Fulton Burley when he retired in 1962. Both Wally and The Golden Horseshoe Revue were cited in The Guinness Book of World Records for being the longest running revue in the history of show business."

So from the early 1950s to 1962, if this is "Timmy," he was either still a guy or back to being a guy.

Unknown said...

I have solved it.

Merry Christmas!
:-)


This is it:

Col Tim McCoy went from Western Movies to being Marie Dressler and afterwards going on tour with the circus show.

Here are the scars, also you will find more resemblance (chin deviation to the right

and more) depending on the pictures.

Here is Marie Dressler´s pic with the best visible scar
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1154/0792_0794.jpg



Here is Tim McCoy scar
magnify the last picture here: http://www.b-westerns.com/mccoy.htm

Also some pictures in his circus life or some posters of his movies show the

caricatural "scar"
http://www.windriverhistory.org/exhibits/mccoy/tmccoy.htm
here Slides 64,65,66,67




Confirming Ents version about what Timmy did later in life:

With the demise of the Rough Riders, Tim McCoy's time as a screen hero was over. In

later years, he would do a few 'guest' appearance roles, such as playing the cavalry troop leader in the AROUND THE WORLD IN EIGHTY DAYS (1956) epic. He also hosted a

TV series in the early 1950s where he commented about the Indians, sign language,

the Old West, etc.

For several years around the late 1950s, McCoy was the star attraction with the

Carson Barnes Circus, and you'll find more info later in these webpages.

And for many years (approximately 1962-1974), he was part owner and toured with the

Tommy Scott Caravan and Wild West Show (Johnny Mack Brown, Sunset Carson and Al

'Fuzzy' St. John also headlined the Scott show).


Source:
http://www.b-westerns.com/mccoy1.htm

Unknown said...

Dressler was 23 years older than McCoy and their career overlap during the early 30s, before Dressler's death in 1934. Dressler is called a "major vaudeville star" by Wikipedia, which is of course not a reliable source, but apparently her status allowed her to make a record in 1909. Photographs of that time show a middle-aged, overweight woman. McCoy's photographs show a thin man, who would have been 18 when this photo was made.

I am not debating the possibility that McCoy could be Timmy, but there is no way that he was Marie Dressler. I also find it unlikely that Dressler is Timmy. The BI describes a slight man and someone you would never suspect to be a man, someone very feminine. Dressler doesn't fit this.

budford said...

#5 Timmy had a relationship with the closeted A list actor, but it didn't continue until Timmy's death.

Anybody know what this means? I am still wondering about three personas and possible twins. How do you have an affair after your death. so there has to be a fake death or two people.

WineGirl X said...

Here is my comprehensive list of Academy Award winners through 1985 (Timmy's latest possible death date) with commentary as to why or why not...

BEST ACTRESS AWARDS
27/28 Janet Gaynor, Seventh Heaven – Worked beyond her win in 1927/28
28/29 Mary Pickford, Coquette - Possible
29/30 Norma Shearer, The Divorcee – Worked beyond her win in 1929/30
30/31 Marie Dressler, Min And Bill – Possible. Worked beyond her win in 1930/31 but not that far beyond.
31/32 Helen Hayes, The Sin Of Madelon Claudet – Worked well beyond her win in 1931/32
32/33 Katharine Hepburn, Morning Glory – Multiple Wins, Worked Beyond 1985
1934 Claudette Colbert, It Happened One Night – Worked well beyond her win in 1934
1935 Bette Davis, Dangerous – Multiple Wins
1936 Luise Rainer, The Great Ziegfeld – Multiple Wins
1937 Luise Rainer, The Good Earth – Multiple Wins
1938 Bette Davis, Jezebel – Multiple Wins
1939 Vivien Leigh, Gone With The Wind – Multiple Wins
1940 Ginger Rogers, Kitty Foyle – Worked beyond 1985
1941 Joan Fontaine, Suspicion – Worked beyond 1985
1942 Greer Garson, Mrs. Miniver – Worked well beyond her win in 1943
1943 Jennifer Jones, The Song Of Bernadette – Worked well beyond her win in 1943
1944 Ingrid Bergman, Gaslight – Multiple Wins
1945 Joan Crawford, Mildred Pierce – Worked well beyond her win in 1945
1946 Olivia De Havilland, To Each His Own – Multiple Wins
1947 Loretta Young, The Farmer's Daughter – Worked well beyond her win in 1947
1948 Jane Wyman, Johnny Belinda – Worked beyond 1985
1949 Olivia De Havilland, The Heiress – Multiple Wins
1950 Judy Holliday, Born Yesterday – Possible. Worked beyond her win in 1950 but not that far beyond.
1951 Vivien Leigh, A Streetcar Named Desire – Multiple Wins
1952 Shirley Booth, Come Back, Little Sheba – Worked well beyond her win in 1952
1953 Audrey Hepburn, Roman Holiday – Worked Well Beyond her win in 1953
1954 Grace Kelly, The Country Girl
1955 Anna Magnani, The Rose Tattoo – Worked Well Beyond her win in 1955
1956 Ingrid Bergman, Anastasia – Multiple Wins
1957 Joanne Woodward, The Three Faces Of Eve – Still Alive, Worked beyond 1985
1958 Susan Hayward, I Want To Live! – Worked well beyond her win in 1958
1959 Simone Signoret, Room At The Top – Worked well Beyond her win in 1959
1960 Elizabeth Taylor, Butterfield 8 – Multiple Wins, Still Alive, Worked Beyond 1985
1961 Sophia Loren, Two Women – Still Alive and Working
1962 Anne Bancroft, The Miracle Worker – Worked Beyond 1985
1963 Patricia Neal, Hud – Worked Beyond 1985
1964 Julie Andrews, Mary Poppins – Still Alive and Working
1965 Julie Christie, Darling – Worked Beyond 1985
1966 Elizabeth Taylor, Who's Afraid Of Virgina Woolf? – Multiple Wins, Still Alive, Worked Beyond 1985
1967 Katharine Hepburn, Guess Who's Coming To Dinner – Multiple Wins, Worked Beyond 1985
1968 Katharine Hepburn, The Lion In Winter – Multiple Wins, Worked Beyond 1985
1969 Maggie Smith, The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie – Still Alive and Working
1970 Glenda Jackson, Women In Love – Still Alive, Worked Beyond 1985
1971 Jane Fonda, Klute – Still Alive and Working
1972 Liza Minnelli, Cabaret – Still Alive and Working
1973 Glenda Jackson, A Touch Of Class – Still Alive, Worked Beyond 1985
1974 Ellen Burstyn, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore – Still Alive and Working
1975 Louise Fletcher, One Flew Over The Cukoo's Nest – Still Alive and Working
1976 Faye Dunaway, Network – Still Alive and Working
1977 Diane Keaton, Annie Hall – Still Alive and Working
1978 Jane Fonda, Coming Home – Still Alive and Working
1979 Sally Field, Norma Rae – Still Alive and Working
1980 Sissy Spacek, Coal Miner's Daughter – Still Alive and Working
1981 Katharine Hepburn, On Golden Pond – Multiple Wins, Worked Beyond 1985
1982 Meryl Streep, Sophie's Choice – Still Alive and Working
1983 Shirley MacLaine, Terms Of Endearment – Still Alive and Working
1984 Sally Field, Places In The Heart – Still Alive and Working
1985 Geraldine Page, The Trip To Bountiful –Worked Beyond 1985
BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS AWARDS
1936 Gale Sondergaard, Anthony Adverse – Worked well beyond her win in 1936
1937 Alice Brady, In Old Chicago – Possible. Worked beyond her wine in 1937 but not that far beyond.
1938 Fay Bainter, Jezebel – Worked well beyond her win in 1938
1939 Hattie McDaniel, Gone With The Wind – Worked well beyond her win in 1939
1940 Jane Darwell, The Grapes Of Wrath – Worked well beyond her win in 1940
1941 Mary Astor, The Great Lie – Worked well beyond her win in 1941
1942 Teresa Wright, Mrs. Miniver – Worked beyond 1985
1943 Katina Paxinou, For Whom The Bell Tolls – Worked well beyond her win in 1943
1944 Ethel Barrymore, None But The Lonely Heart – Worked well beyond her win in 1944
1945 Anne Revere, National Velvet – Worked well beyond her win in 1945
1946 Anne Baxter, The Razor's Edge – Worked well beyond her win in 1946
1947 Celeste Holm, Gentleman's Agreement – Still Alive and Working
1948 Claire Trevor, Key Largo – Worked beyond 1985
1949 Mercedes McCambridge, All The Kings Men – Worked well beyond her win in 1949
1950 Josephine Hull, Harvey – Possible. Worked beyond her win in 1950 but not that far beyond.
1951 Kim Hunter, A Streetcar Named Desire – Worked Beyond 1985
1952 Gloria Grahame, The Bad And The Beautiful – Worked well beyond her win in 1953
1953 Donna Reed, From Here To Eternity – Worked well beyond her win in 1953
1954 Eva Marie Saint, On The Waterfront – Worked Beyond 1985
1955 Jo Van Fleet, East Of Eden – Worked well beyond her win in 1955
1956 Dorothy Malone, Written On The Wind – Worked Beyond 1985
1957 Miyoshi Umeki, Sayonara – Worked well beyond her win in 1957
1958 Wendy Hiller, Separate Tables – Worked Beyond 1985
1959 Shelley Winters, The Diary Of Anne Frank – Multiple Wins, Worked Beyond 1985
1960 Shirley Jones, Elmer Gantry – Still Alive and Working
1961 Rita Moreno, West Side Story – Still Alive and Working
1962 Patty Duke, The Miracle Worker – Still Alive and Working
1963 Margaret Rutherford, The V.I.P.'S – Possible. Worked beyond her win in 1963 but not that far beyond.
1964 Lila Kedrova, Zorba The Greek – Worked Beyond 1985
1965 Shelley Winters, A Patch Of Blue – Multiple Wins, Worked Beyond 1985
1966 Sandy Dennis, Who's Afraid Of Virgina Woolf? – Deceased, Worked Beyond 1985
1967 Estelle Parsons, Bonnie And Clyde – Still Alive and Working
1968 Ruth Gordon, Rosemary's Baby – Worked well beyond her win in 1968
1969 Goldie Hawn, Cactus Flower – Still Alive and Working
1970 Helen Hayes, Airport – Deceased, Worked Beyond 1985
1971 Cloris Leachman, The Last Picture Show – Still Alive and Working
1972 Eileen Heckart, Butterflies Are Free – Deceased, Worked Beyond 1985
1973 Tatum O'Neal, Paper Moon – Still Alive and Working
1974 Ingrid Bergman, Murder On The Orient Express – Multiple Wins
1975 Lee Grant, Shampoo – Still Alive, Worked Beyond 1985
1976 Beatrice Straight, Network – Deceased, Worked Beyond 1985
1977 Vanessa Redgrave, Julia – Still Alive and Working
1978 Maggie Smith, California Suite – Still Alive and Working
1979 Meryl Streep, Kramer Vs. Kramer – Still Alive and Working
1980 Mary Steenburgen, Melvin And Howard – Still Alive and Working
1981 Maureen Stapleton, Reds – Deceased, Worked Beyond 1985
1982 Jessica Lange, Tootsie – Still Alive And Working
1983 Linda Hunt, The Year Of Living Dangerously – Still Alive and Working
1984 Peggy Ashcroft, A Passage To India – Deceased, Worked Beyond 1985
1985 Angelica Huston, Prizzi's Honor – Still Alive and Working

Dire Potatoe said...

Okay, I put this in the other comment section, but I'll put it here just for the record:

Okay, I've been reading and researching all over the bloody internets and this is my best guess:

Timmy: Arthur Blake
Shimmy: Alice Brady
Closeted A Actor: Cesar Romero.

As others have said, Arthur Blake was a renowned female impersonator. He died at age "70" in 1985. He was born in Altoona, PA and attended Pratt for textile design, then started doing impersonations in supper clubs starting in 1940.
http://www.queermusicheritage.us/drag-blake.html

You all know Alice Brady and have some great research on here about her that just adds fuel to the fire. Silent film star and the daughter of a studio owner? She acted in silent films until 1923. In 1933 she gets her first role in a talkie. She’s considered one of the rare women to make the transition from silents to talkies. http://silent-movies.com/Ladies/PBrady.html

At first the dates don’t add up, right? But as some of you have said, what if the “real” Alice Brady retires from films after 1923 or thereabouts. Arthur Blake’s date of birth would be about 1915 or so, making him 18 in 1933, when the "fake Alice" id "Shimmy" has her first talking role. Look at the pictures from her silent films vs her speaking roles and you’ll see she looks different. One website claims she had to stop wishing she could play the ingénue and work into the role of wacky sidekick because of her “odd” features. All the stuff about the change in her nose and her look...

She acts from 1933 until 1939, making a real show in 1935 in Metropolitan, with Cesar Romero, a closeted gay actor who never married.

She wins the oscar for supporting actress for In Old Chicago in 1938. Alice Brady’s statuette was swiped by an impostor who came onstage to accept the award on the absent actress’ behalf. It has never been recovered and the impostor could never be tracked down. Before the Academy could do justice and issue a copy of the statuette, Alice Brady passes away.

The real Arthur Blake starts his real fame in 1940 doing impersonations of famous stars, both men and women. He’s extremely well known and well regarded in his craft, being one of the only actors invited back to some big dealio show in England. He was in Cyrano de Bergerac.

Between the two of them, Arthur Blake and Alice Brady have over 100 film credits.

Now someone poke holes all through the story!!!

BadSansa said...

READ YOUR COMMENTS ON THE OTHER SITE AND NONE FROM ME POTATO, IVE BEEN ON THE BRADY TRAIN ALL ALONG AND YOUVE GOT MY VOTE. IM AFAID THE KENDALL FOLKS MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY THOUGH.

I SAY GREAT JOB WHATEVER THE REVEAL IS!

Charles said...

This is endlessly fascinating, and I don't have a guess, but thought it was kind of ironic that, since a number of people discussing Miyoshi Umeki note that she's still alive, the following headline appears in the links to the right of the page: Miyoshi Umeki Dies--Oscar Winner Dead At 78

Insideguy said...

This seems like another urban myth.

THe narrator could be A. C. Lyles who is if not 90, he's close. He has been a producer at Paramount since the early 1930s and has known and worked with everyone in the business.

Lets look at the possibilities. If Timmy were slim and effete that would let out Marie Dressler (also a known lesbian), Alice Brady, Shirley Booth, Jo Van Fleet, and Marjorie Main (also Lesbian)all were women of size. Sandy Dennis was openly Lesbian. Kay Kendal was was married to Rex Harrison who was labelled "sexy Rexy" and not likely to be shagging a transsexual. To be dead from AIDS means it was post 1981 so most of the early stars were dead by then anyway.

For years it was rumored that when Mae West died it would be discovered she was actually a man. It was not true. If anyone with an Oscar had died and found to be a man it it would have come out beacause so many people can see a deceased body before it ever leaves for the morgue.

This tale follows a similar story to the 1970 film, DINAH EAST. In which a young actor unable to get work dresses as a woman and becomes a big star, even adopting a son to keep her secret. It was loosely based on the idea od Mae West being a man.

Another urban myth often perpetuated by George Cukor was about Teddy, an extra who serviced the likes of Robert Taylor, Tyrone Power, Biilly Haines and even Cary Grant and dressed as a woman full time near the end of his life in the 1970s but pre-AIDS.

I seriously doubt the veracity of this story.

kate said...

What about the fact that this person won awards from organizations that did not know s/he was really a man? Are there women's organizations who give particular awards this person may have won? I only ask because this was specifically mentioned in the clues.

Harpie said...

Here's a shot into the ether, folks.
Barbara Bates?

kassy said...

I agree with Alice Brady because on BIC, it says that Timmy died between 1980-1985 which is when Arthur Blake died.

http://blinditems.typepad.com/dish/2007/08/the-actress-who.html

RivkahChaya said...

I’m fascinated by this; I’ve never posted before, and didn’t know about this site until someone posted this puzzle on Snopes, the Urban Legend website-- probably after going there to find out whether this is a documented UL.

Here’s some thoughts:

Margaret Rutherford had an Adam’s Apple, slight though it was.

Irene Dunne didn’t win an Oscar, but she was nominated several times. She may have won other awards I don’t know about, though. She shied away from reporters after retirement, and in the few articles I read after her retirement, she was always photographed in a long shot, never a close-up. She was married, but her children were adopted, and she refused to discuss why she never had biological children. She sang very well, and was noted for her versatility; she did some of the great dramas of the time, but also some very funny films, and some musicals. She ended up obscure though, because an unusual number of her films were remade, and her originals were pulled from circulation. She died around 1990.

She doesn’t exactly fit, but I can’t help wondering.

It’s difficult to say that Cary Grant’s marriages were complete shams to the point that one could say he remained single, because at least one marriage produced a child.

Kim Hunter gave interviews about Planet of the Apes in the 1990s, and looked awfully good.

Consider this: “What Timmy had going for him was ... a way of capturing an audience whether one person, five hundred or through film that was unlike anything most people had seen previously.” I would understand this to mean that he couldn’t be Marie Dressler, Mary Pickford, or anyone else from the very early days of film, when practically everything had never been seen previously.

“Timmy performed the entire two hour show as the lead actress and received a standing ovation. He was brilliant and there was even a review in the paper which talked about this understudy who was even better than the regular actress.” Has anyone tried to track down this review, or verify that something like this happened? It sounds like it wasn’t on Broadway, but probably not a touring company either, if there were no understudies. That suggests some kind of regional company, and a fairly large one if so many people would go home disappointed.

I can try to look up some of these things tomorrow, but not right now.

Anonymous said...

its obvi alice brady

Shanna said...

People, people, people...

Those of you who are ruling out actors as the "closeted gay male" on the basis that they were married are missing the entire point of what "closeted" means. Men can be married to women and lead a secret/dual life in which they engage in relations with men. Marriage is the perfect camouflage for someone who is gay but doesn't want anyone to know it, hmmmmm...?

Just sayin'.

mariae said...

Hi guys,

I am reading these posts to my amazement. Timmy Everett who was in the Music Man, if that's his name was born in Montana.

I had read that he died of AIDS.

Okay so I never knew that he played female roles until he died.

I am wondering if anyone knew that actress Claudet Corbertt was in the movie with Troy Donahue who was a close gay man also.

In her Bio she claimed that she was gay, had married men to hide her being a lesbian and adopted a son.

She was rumored to have affairs with Greta Garbo, Marlena Deitich
and a bunch of other female leads.
She was of Italian ancestry and not french.

If this Timmy was playing her in her career he really did pull it off.

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