And You Thought Woody Allen Was Bad
So, I have had this story for about a year. I got it at the same time as what turned out to be Timmy/Shimmy. I can tell you that the person who gave me all my great classic Hollywood stories passed away within the last year, but he did manage to pass along a few more before he passed. A great man who will be missed a bunch, but his stories live on.
For this one, we need to start way back. Even really before classic Hollywood. Hell when this started there really wasn't a Hollywood yet. This is about an A list actress for almost all of her career. Acting was what she was most famous for, but she was probably better at other things. Academy Award winner? Nope. She was in a nominated film or two though.
When our actress was still a very young teenager, she got pregnant by a man. Some say that the father of the baby was a man she later married, while others think she may have got pregnant by a relative. In any event, the fact is that the person who impregnated her was unable or unwilling to marry her at that time. She gave birth to a boy and gave the boy up for adoption.
The years pass and our actress grows into a fine woman, and starts to make a name for herself. Finally she ends up in Hollywood. It isn't where she was planning on going necessarily, but when she finally made it there, she made it really, really big.
Now, although there wasn't really open adoption back when she gave up her child, there was what was called family adoption. In this case, our actress who had a cousin who was of suitable age to have children, already had one or two of her own with her husband so took the infant in, and raised it as their own. This was not a particularly close cousin. Maybe a 2nd or so, but even 2nd cousins want their share of fame by being close to a famous relative and so the whole family always wanted a piece of our actress. At some point, the son of our actress came out to Hollywood. He didn't know he was her son. All he knew was that he had a cousin or an aunt or someone who he saw in the movie theatre each week and thought maybe she could give him a job.
Well he was a good looking guy and our actress said she could probably help him out when he showed up out of the blue one day and landed on her doorstep. At the time he showed up, she was in between marriages. Kind of. When he explained who he was, she knew it was her son. The thing is, she decided not to inform him of this face and apparently the three or four people who also knew, chose to not inform him either.
Our actress always had men with her. Always helping her out or running errands. She was never without some kind of company for flirtation. Well one day, apparently things got a little carried away in the flirtation department and our actress and her son ended up rolling around in the sack. It was the first time, but not the last. It went on for about six months. Not everyday, but a few times a week.
She never told him how she was related to him. What she did though was at some point get a conscience or got guilt and she set him up with some extra from some film she was working and she was one hell of a matchmaker because the couple fell in love and moved back to where our actress was from. It is somewhere in that time frame, that her son either told someone in his family, OR, he told the extra he married and she passed it along to someone in the family. Apparently only one person in the family found out. That person confronted the actress who admitted it, but begged that it be kept quiet. No one would have printed anything anyway, but she still wanted it kept quiet. On the home front it was kept quiet. But, over the years, as our actress aged, she would be telling stories of men she had been with and every once in awhile would let it slip out that she had a very illicit affair. There are probably a handful of people she told the story to, and one of them was the man who told it to me.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 224 of 224I think we have enough here now to make the top three predictions so that we can ask ENTY to give us at least one "no" or "yes".
So, my top three:
1. Mae West
2. Tallulah Bankhead
3. Theda Bara
For the Gloria Swanson guess:
Ent said: but when she finally made it there, she made it really, really big.
Gloria, in role in SB: "I AM BIG. Its the pictures that got small..."
Ent said: Our actress always had men with her. Always helping her out or running errands. She was never without some kind of company for flirtation.
Gloria, in role in SB had Max, her butler helping her and running errands (and was her husband), and Joe, the writer who she constantly flirted with and asked him to stick around and keep her company several times throughout the film.
ok, yes, i love that film. not my all time fave classic BW film, but up there.
Link to the 'greatest silent films and the greatest films of the 20's"
http://www.filmsite.org/silentfilms.html
This site goes through all the decades and lists the A list stars. I'm to tired to go through it again to get names but there wer a few different ones.
But I'm still thinking Mae. Oddly I can totally see Anna Nicole fitting this, but since she was totally messed up all the time (by choice or not) it makes me think that this person would be too.
I can see Joan Crawford doing this just to be in 'control'. And she was Chairman of the PepsiCo. Board.
I was thinking Pearl White, but nevermind.
Louise Brooks.
One of my all time favorites of old Hollywood, and a fascinating, fascinating woman. Born in Kansas, 1906...star of Pandora's Box,,,did not make a good transition to talkies, so her last films were not so hot (she acted into the 1940's, but her career was over before that).
Married twice I think.
In the Barry Paris bio of "Lulu" it's revealed that by age 14 she was in a "relationship" with "prosperous businessman and Sunday schol teacher by the name of Mr. Vincent...Fifty years later, she named him as one of the sexual corruptors of her youth."
She started out as a dancer---dancing was her passion. She studied with Ruth St. Denis, and Isadora Duncan I think.
There's a lot more to her...I'll have to dig through the book...but she is my first guess...although Tallulah is another great one.
"What i tried to say it is, if the answer is Mae Westm then i know it is not true. She was not a compulsive lier, but she enjoyed make up stories to enlance her reputation."
You can conclude that it probably isn't true, but you don't KNOW that it's not true unless you yourself are the subject of the blind.
"I can see Joan Crawford doing this just to be in 'control'. And she was Chairman of the PepsiCo. Board."
This is not Joan Crawford. She won an oscar.
"I think we have enough here now to make the top three predictions so that we can ask ENTY to give us at least one "no" or "yes".
So, my top three:
1. Mae West
2. Tallulah Bankhead
3. Theda Bara"
Why do you think it could have been Theda Bara? She was only married once and was not in any oscar-nominated films.
"Kay Francis was a good bet too. She fits the timeline."
Kay Francis was not A-list for almost her entire career, so it probably wasn't her.
"I totally disagree. This person had sex with a man that she knew was her son multiple times in an unbelievably deceptive circumstance. You could ALMOST forgive it if it were a one-time drunken/drugged encounter, but she did it over and over, apparently just for the thrill of being in that situation. There's a big difference between screwing your super-famous 2nd cousin and screwing your mother. The guy didn't have a clue in this world.
I'm sorry, but knowingly abusing your child (grown or not) like that is just plain evil. It shows a total lack of morals, a complete disregard for the mental health of your offspring, and pathological sexual deviancy."
I agree that what she did was a bad thing to do, but her son KNEW that she was a biological relative of his and he still chose to sleep with her. And as bad as this is it is nowhere NEAR the harm that pedophiles or serial killers do to their victims.
It's not Jane Russell or Lana Turner. They do not fit the timeline.
"Keep your opinion of people's guesses to yourself."
But we have to give our opinions on people's guesses. That's how we solve the mystery.
Kanonymous, but it is possible to give your opinion without implying that the other poster is an idiot. :)
"I agree that what she did was a bad thing to do, but her son KNEW that she was a biological relative of his and he still chose to sleep with her. And as bad as this is it is nowhere NEAR the harm that pedophiles or serial killers do to their victims."
I'm assuming you are a female but I don't know that for sure. But lets assume you slept with your super-hot 2nd cousin (who you can legally marry ? someone correct me on that if I'm wrong). But after a torrid sexual affair, you find out it was really your dad. Not only that, but your dad KNEW you were his daughter and used you in every possible way anyway. And brags about it select friends. That is going to mess you up probably beyond repair - I can see someone getting suicidal over that and possibly going through with it. That is inflicting brutal mental torture.
What I get from ENT's blind is that the son never found out, but the possibility of him finding out certainly existed. This "mother" DID NOT CARE though, she totally got her jollies and that's all that mattered to her. The damage that could have been done would have been tortuous (sp?).
Pedophiles want what they want even though a child is hurt in the process, and they can't defend themselves. I'll bet any kind of money that this guy would have defended himself against the sexual advances of his mother. But he never had a chance to defend himself, because HE DIDN'T KNOW. The same cruel intent was there.
As far as comparison to a killer, her actions could have literally killed that guy emotionally. Same intent, same disregard for human life, differing circumstances.
Unless, of course, this guy just happened to be into mother sex for a thrill. Somehow I feel secure in doubting it.
We might have to agree to disagree on this one. But in my eyes, he was just as much a helpless victim of a predator as any victim of a pedophile or killer would be. He just didn't know he was a victim, and thank God he didn't!!!
No guess--just want to make sure I'm reading this right. The blind says that she might have been impregnated by a relative. Does that make it possible that her son was also possibly her brother (I'm reminded of Chinatown "he's my son, he's my brother, my son! my brother! my son AND my brother!")? My only point is: imagine if she had gotten pregnant by him. The baby would be her son/grandson/nephew. Twisted!
Brendalove,
I agree with you that there is a difference between a second cousin and a mother, and he probably would have been upset if he found out he was her son. I agree with you that what she did was wrong, very immoral. BUT I think it really trivializes what pedophile and serial killer victims go through to compare them to the grown man in this situation.
But as you said, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
Boy howdy, I can't wait for the reveal on this one! I'm sure it will be of some long dead actress I've never heard of, but still. Incest is the best, put your family to the test!
Mae was accused of being a man for years. She was actually examined by a doctor hired by a New York paper and found to be "a completely anatomically correct and perfectly healthy female". Mae loved it that people questioned this and probably encouraged the papers expose, but in those days when people questioned her sexuality it wasn't because she was physically large by todays standards.
It was because she openly discussed sex in public, took hundreds of lovers, wrote and produced her own shows and openly refused to live her life in servitude to male superiority. People reasoned if she was as smart, fearless and as powerful as a man. She must be one.
Mae loved to exagerate about her life and told all sorts of lies (she claimed the reason she looked so young in her 70's was because she rubbed seman into her face everyday) The thing is when Mae really wanted to keep a secret, she did. And for all her promiscurity she was very judgemental of extra marital affairs.
If it does turn out to be Mae, believe Enty...just don't necessarily believe Mae.
Lana Turner - too young by ten to fifteen years.
Theda Bara - not A-list for her whole life, one (happy) marriage, known as being exceptionally devoted to her husband
Tallulah Bankhead - jokes about her running away from her Alabama father pregnant are somewhat diminished by his not having spent more than a few days with her after her sixth birthday (he was a Congressman, and Speaker of the House), also by her being a bit too young
I think it's Mae or Gloria, and more likely Mae.
Many are expressing outrage and disgust at this blind item. I want to first say that these are valid feelings and I wouldn't want to say these reactions are wrong. I suggested Mae West for a reason that noone else did in their research into timelines and what is the "real" Hollywood.
The behaviour exhibited by the person in this blind is likely that of an incest survivor. That behaviour being a grey area in what is an acceptable sexual choice and what is not. I am fairly certain, although of course there is no proof available today that Mae was a likely victim of sexual abuse as a child. In that regard Rita Hayworth would be another excellent guess.
I want to make it clear that I don't condone what the adults in the blind did, at the same time however I hope it highlights how the sexual abuse of a child has ramifications that last a lifetime, and how compassion should be offered to anyone who struggles with a sexual addiction or sexual "acting out".
As for getting married 6 times, no compassion should be offered for that sort of idiotic behaviour. Right Ent? ;}
Rosemary and George?
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