Somehow you knew that the guy who was behind Innocence Of Muslims would end up in jail. His past criminal record just made it easier. Nakoula Basseley Nakoula has been arrested for violating his probation. He had been convicted back in 2010 of attempting to defraud Wells Fargo bank and sentenced to 21 months in jail. When he was released he was barred from using computers or internet without permission from his probation officer. He then posted the video to YouTube and violated his probation. Back when he was arrested in 2010 he had 641 debit and credit cards on him. None of which were in his name.
He's probably safer in prison than the real world right now. So many people probably want him dead.
ReplyDeleteIs he Muslim? It sounds like a middle eastern name...I'd guess Egyptian?
ReplyDeleteYeah he's definitely safer in prison, tho he'll have to be in solitary.
He was also forbidden to use any aliases as part of his probation, so you know there's some good stuff in his criminal record.
ReplyDeleteBehold our freedom being stripped away.
ReplyDeleteThink about this when you vote in November.
He was arrested for violating his probation, not for making that crapstorm of a "movie" if he wasn't a criminal I doubt he would have been arrested at all.
Delete'good' as in seriously considered a probable re-offender. I'll bet his records are a great read.
ReplyDeleteI believe he's a Coptic Christian from Egypt.
ReplyDeleteI read Coptic Christian also....the oldest form of Christianity...
ReplyDeleteHe is a disgrace to the human race.
I really don't know what to think about this gang.
ReplyDeleteI am just really having a very hard time believing all of this stemmed from a movie.
Agreed!
DeleteJust a lame excuse.
Libby, he is a master of creating aliases! And that's a big reason why they won't release him on bail - drivers license in one name, passport in another, etc...
ReplyDeleteI read that he was Jewish.. But I also read that his name was Michael something soooo! Probably false info.
ReplyDeleteThat was proved false. Another lie from the cut. He's not Jewish he's coptic Christian
DeleteFrom the GUY. Stupid phone
DeleteThat was proved false. Another lie from the cut. He's not Jewish he's coptic Christian
DeleteThat was proved false. Another lie from the cut. He's not Jewish he's coptic Christian
DeleteThis smells to high heaven. I do not approve of the film in question, but that is from an artistic point of view, based on the trailer from it that I viewed, not because of the film's content. It is possible that this arrest actually is based upon the man in question's having violated the terms of his probation, but perhaps not, too. Did he really upload that trailer to YouTube personally? Would most film producers do that? Or would they create the trailer and then get some flunky to do the actual uploading? Because unless this arrest is a veiled attempt by the federal government to appease Muslim extremists, the evidence against him seems thin at this point.
ReplyDeleteWhy does it matter? It matters because at the same time as this mess is going on, the administration is trying to implement the NDAA, which effectively gives the president the right to arrest and imprison indefinitely any U.S. citizen without bothering to file formal charges, virtually at the president's whim. And even though at least one federal judge has struck down the NDAA as it stands, there are allegations floating around the Internet at any number of reputable news sites which allege that this kind of thing has already taken/is taking place. Can you spell D-I-C-T-A-T-O-R-S-H-I-P?
Nor does this issue concern only President Obama. It began under George W. Bush, with the passage of the infamous "Patriot Act," which was passed by Congress with a huge bipartisan majority,and which has since been added to, in many cases, by the simple issuing of so-called "executive orders" from the White House. Thus we now effectively have a federal government that is more than twice the size it was before 9/11, not counting the military, the increase in size coming solely from the new "national security state." We also have the FBI running around the country trying to entrap U.S. citizens into engaging in so-called "conspiracies," we have people (men, women, the elderly, the disabled, and even children) being subjected to what amounts to sexual assault at U.S. airports, and God knows how many other assaults on the Bill of Rights taking place, all in the name of so-called "national security."
It is also highly damning that not only did the NDAA, which is directly inimical to the Bill of Rights, sail through Congress with bipartisan support, but also the fact that the entire issue has not been raised even once during this entire presidential election campaign. Why? Because Republicans do not find this legislation, this huge step toward American dictatorship, to be repugnant in the least. They only want their man to be the one who controls it, not to reverse the trend.
As for the appeasement of radical Islam, yes, Obama stated in his UN speech that we will never give up or attempt to limit freedom of speech and freedom of expression; however he has been known to talk a very good game in the past, then proceed to do the exact opposite. He promised to end the war in Afghanistan. The war there goes on and the death toll mounts. He also promised to end the war in Iraq, and it seemed that he had, perhaps, but now we have Special Forces troops deployed there again. He further pledged to end the disgrace of the Guantanamo concentration camp, yet it continues. Finally, Obama pledged during the 2008 presidential election campaign to brink to justice those Wall Street people and/or firms which had run the U.S. economy and the entire global banking system off a cliff; yet not a single person has yet been indicted.
This arrest seems to be part of a much larger, much darker picture; it is one which is frightening indeed.
Robert go back to your cave with a barrel of wheat flour and hide with your crazy conspiracy theory.
DeleteAh, it's good to see at least one Fox-talk nutjob yammering about liberties and freedoms. What would I do without fools, I wonder.
ReplyDeleteTook the words right out if my mouth Barton
DeleteI'm so tired of the US having to go clean up shit in the Middle East. Send his ass back to the Egypt and let them deal with him.
ReplyDeleteYeah that's the right solution...-_-
DeleteHe was (a) barred from using computers and/or posting anything online w/out his probation officer's approval, and (b) barred from using any aliases; he violated both provisions. It would be one thing if he'd been, say, just chatting on forums & uploading pictures of his cats doing cute things; that probably would have flown under the radar. Doing what he did, though, was guaranteed to get him lots of attention (plus, IMNSHO, was done deliberately to get the reaction it did; the guy is nothing but a shit-stirrer)...did he really think he was so clever that the Feds, etc. wouldn't figure out who was behind that particular stunt? Or did he just not think it through to the potential consequences for him personally? Is he an asshole, or a stupid asshole?
ReplyDeleteThis isn't to say that I'm not concerned about eroding civil liberties, because I am; my point is simply that when you do something like this that gets this kind of reaction, you really can't be surprised when the G-men knock on your door, especially when you've been so flagrantly public about your probation violations. (Damn, doofus, didn't anyone ever tell you not to give The Man an excuse to go after you?)
@Barton, I don't think @Robert's talking from a Fox News perspective-- rather, what he's saying sounds Libertarian to me. And a valid concern, I think.
ReplyDelete@Robert, great post!
ReplyDelete@Barton, you're clearly uneducated. It's apathy like yours that is at the root of why our liberties are being eliminated daily and at an accelerated pace. I guess it will start mattering to you when something you actually care about is taken away. Dumb ass.
@figgy, thanks for recognizing the distinct difference.
I think that when people are allowed to break the conditions of probation, probation is more or less pointless. Fox is beating this drum intensely, in part to distract from their failure as a party organ to persuade Americans to support their candidate.
ReplyDeleteYes, libertine, I'm clearly not as edumacated as you are.
Robert has it right. I can't find a link right now (have a lot going on here) but there are executive orders that allow the government to take control of all vehicles, all boats and ships, to take over seaports, to take over the distribution of food, to take over farms, anything you can think of. The executive orders are there. I've read them on-line. They're not a secret.
ReplyDeleteHOWEVER: in this case, he violated probation on some pretty serious charges (this isn't some weed user violating probation). He's broken the law. He deserves to go to jail, not deported. In Egypt they'd just kill him.
Also, for what it's worth, my contempt was for Raleigh James, trying to sell the "Vote for Mitt and no Coptic Christians will ever experience probation difficulties!" line of crap. Robert posted while I was composing; I am, however, glad to be drawn into whatever skirmishes y'all want to sling on this gossip site, which has a dozen people lurking just to post political nonsense in response to Enty's trolling. Oh, Enty, these political and religious posts! Wassup?
ReplyDeleteFound the link:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/10999.htm
Please note this order was signed by President Kennedy in 1962. But it is still ready to go. It'll just take the right president to start the ball rolling.
It funny. The YouTube channel he posted the video on is tied to other YouTube channels owned by our lovely government. It may be hard to find but if you track the video back, they have used many different names for the film. Until they finally pissed people off by using musilm is the title.
ReplyDeleteThe killing going on in Pakistan, Libya and Syria has near nothing to do with this film. We have drones over there taking people out by the dozen, THAT is why they are protesting and attacking out embassy. They are being droned and killed! While fox, msnbc and all the others are telling you it's about a YouTube film. It isn't. Obama and his buddies are bombing and killing people free of guilt because they think Americans are dumb enough to think this was just about a film.
Sorry if that rubs anyone the wrong way. But I have been hearing about the drone attacks in Pakistan since September 9th of this year. One September 11th the people rose up and attacked our embassy to get us to leave. Why are we in another country which has nothing to do with us? Why are we fighting a religious war that we have no care for? Why are trillions of dollars being spent fighting an invisible monster when our dollars is failing and the unemployment rate is climbing?
Smashbash, the questions in your last paragraph can be answered with one word: oil. :-/
DeleteShiny special one. I know, you know. How come no one else is scream at them for lying? It is wrong.
Deletesomething isnt gelling here. I'm a huge conspiracy theory enthusiast, (I find its an outlet that i can escape to)
ReplyDeleteespecially how someone said his channel is linked to the government channels.
Something in the milk aint clean y'all
Cinephreak- I am going to have to get backing info I do understand. But what I say is not in jest or a lie.
DeleteTexshan- true words. It is really angering to watch our constitution being defiled year after year. And sad.
though I live far away from Sydney, the recent riot here over that movie was disgusting and is frightening the ignorant. I'm angry with this "film maker" he knew exactly what he was doing. stirring the pot!
ReplyDeleteHe claims to be a Coptic Christian, but he also at first claimed to be Israeli, and the Copts don't generally sell out the Israelis since they view themselves as on the same team against the same common foe. So, if we can actually take this man's word (ha!) then he might be a Coptic Christian. It also might be another lie.
ReplyDeleteWhile I'm 100% against the NDAA, this is not it. This guy obviously violated his parole! I don't see any conspiracy here!
ReplyDeleteAnd this movie was just an excuse used by some extremists to send the mobs out to cause trouble. While I understand we need to have a good relation with these countries to be honest it's getting tiresome to have these frenemies, we give them money, we use our drones over there and they burn our flag and kill our people. Sometimes I wish we would just get out of that area.
I agree with about 90% of what Robert said. Our civil liberties are being chipped away, and almost everyone in this country seems to be either too stupid or too lazy to notice. It's infuriating.
ReplyDeleteI also find it completely ridiculous that the only person suffering any punishment for this debacle is some dude who made a shitty movie and put it on the Internet. Meanwhile, the FBI still hasn't gone to Benghazi or Cairo to investigate. No one in power is asking pointed questions about the apparently complete lack of security at these embassies and consulates. It stinks to high heaven, and only a few people seem to be questioning what's going on.
Honestly, I don't know why more people aren't completely outraged at this whole mess.
I agree with about 90% of what Robert said. Our civil liberties are being chipped away, and almost everyone in this country seems to be either too stupid or too lazy to notice. It's infuriating.
ReplyDeleteI also find it completely ridiculous that the only person suffering any punishment for this debacle is some dude who made a shitty movie and put it on the Internet. Meanwhile, the FBI still hasn't gone to Benghazi or Cairo to investigate. No one in power is asking pointed questions about the apparently complete lack of security at these embassies and consulates. It stinks to high heaven, and only a few people seem to be questioning what's going on.
Honestly, I don't know why more people aren't completely outraged at this whole mess.
Sorry for the double post.
ReplyDeleteCan we drop some leaflets or something and let people over there know that this guy is NOT American, but Egyptian? And a shit-stirring criminal to boot?
ReplyDeleteEgypt probably wouldn't be too happy with us, I guess.
It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to think that this filmmaker was hired to shoot, redub and post this video (from America no less). Considering how many people were involved in the protests and how coordinated it was, it all seems so much more than just one dude with an axe to grind.
ReplyDeleteI heard on the local news that this guy was convicted of producing and distributing meth about 12-15 years ago. His more recent convictions were for fraud and identity theft. Whatever he claims to be, I don't think he's a true believer in the religious sense. Seems more like a criminal opportunist.
ReplyDeleteAre we sure the FBI or CIA isn't over in the Middle East? I wouldn't expect them to announce that if they were. I don't know either way, but I'm going to wager the situation is being investigated, even if we aren't aware of it.
ReplyDeleteEmbassies and consulates have been under attack for years. I suppose some of it goes with the territory. The biggest problem, in my admittedly ignorant opinion, that some security is supposedly provided by the host country. And frankly, I wouldn't trust anyone in that circumstance. Too many variables.
Suggesting that everyone is stupid and lazy just means that we'll get what's coming to us. So why should the naysayers care? Dumbasses that we are, just consider our downfall cosmic intervention.
And since a few of you are so smart, you can divvy up the world amongst yourselves. You can be lords and ladies of the domain. Enjoy with our complements!
Hi Texshan, good to see you back.
ReplyDeleteI think the civil liberties issues become complex because there can be good outcomes from 'infringements' on civil liberties. We just had a case here in Australia where a 29 year old woman didn't arrive home after a night out. Her friends had offered to walk her home but she declined because it was 5 minutes away. On CCTV video they saw her speaking to a man who has now been arrested for her rape and murder. He has no criminal record. He lead police to her body in the shallow grave he buried her in. As horrific as the crime is, her husband, family and friends now have closure. Where do we draw a line?
The thing about free speech is just because we can say anything doesn't mean we should, or not expect outrage if others strongly disagree with our message.
ReplyDeleteA lot of people use free speech to say whatever hateful thing their bigoted selves just must express, and run behind FS as their defense.
@Layna Day - I understand what you're saying - I heard someone say today free speech is often something you find despicable. But what about those who disagree with what I say? There are those that would silence me because I am a Catholic, or because I am a woman. I have to defend our right to free speech even if I hate what is being said.
ReplyDeleteI do however reserve the right to boycott or ignore someone who says something I despise. For instance, if a company comes out supporting white supremacy (can't imagine this happening) they would have the free speech right to say that, but I would have the free speech right to write letters of protest and refuse to buy their product.
@Susan B: it's about action and consequence, when we get to the heart of the matter. We have the right to say what we want. But we can't be surprised when someone doesn't agree with an inflammatory statement and expresses that in an equally incendiary way.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Feraltart. I've been around, it's just that I have such difficulty loading CDaN on my home computer that I mentally rage-flip it and move on to some other site that loads quicker. Then I have to wait until I have a few minutes at work to check out the site and comment.
ReplyDeleteI get very, very persnickety about civil liberties. I'm so bad that my brother will mute commercials for the new Judge Dredd movie, otherwise I will go on a spiel about how horrible the whole premise is. I did the same with Minority Report and the first Judge Dredd. :-) Anyway, I know that a lot of places -- London, for instance -- use CCTV extensively in the solving of crimes, etc., and I can see how it is useful. But I don't like the idea of every movement I make being caught on camera and viewable by some faceless government factotum. Here in Houston, the city tried to implement red light cameras, and people bitched so much about it that they had to discontinue their use after people voted to repeal the law allowing them. So, I think it's basically finding a balance between what each society is willing to give up for increased safety and/or security. Where I live, the answer is basically "nothing."
I don't disagree that this guy sounds super-shady and that he apparently violated his probation. What pisses me off is that so far he is the ONLY one to receive any fallout from this mess, and he didn't kill anyone or destroy property.
Layna, in a sense, I do think that people deserve the government they get if they are too lazy or ignorant to ask questions, hold people responsible, vote their conscience, etc. Unfortunately, in this country, it seems like those people are becoming the majority, taking everyone else down with them. They just swallow what the politicians and media tell them and go back to watching Honey Boo Boo. It's horrifying to me that people are not up in arms, demanding answers en masse.
Texshan my husband controls the remote because when political ads come on -for either candidate -I become Rambo.
DeleteI'm a member of GoonSwarm, the game faction that Sean Smith aka Vile Rat was part of. I'm not one to wish harm on anyone, but I'm not going to be shedding any tears if this piece of human garbage gets shanked.
ReplyDeleteRobert by the time the rest of your country wakes up to the NDAA shenanigans it may be too late. :(
ReplyDeleteTo comment on using cameras to track criminal actions, I don't see how putting CCTV in public areas infringes on civil liberties. They are placed in public areas to keep the public safe, I have no issue being photographed going about my daily business.
I have no problem with it either. oh and we don't have freedom of speech in Australia.
ReplyDeleteWe are lucky because hate speech is illegal. That means we don't have to put up things like psychos picketing grieving people of dead servicemen and women at funerals, or similar distasteful displays of 'free speech'.
ReplyDeleteAstrogirl, I guess that depends on how you define "lucky." I don't think the government censoring someone's speech, no matter how hateful, is a good idea. That's one of the reasons why I oppose "hate crime" legislation. To me, not only is it a violation of double jeopardy and the equal protection under the law statute, but it criminalizes thoughts and speech. And I have zero tolerance for that foolishness.
ReplyDeleteTexshan I have never ever felt that I am not permitted to express exactly how I feel about any subject. I can do that here, I just need to be conscious of the feelings and thought processes of my fellow Australians.
ReplyDeleteWhy is that a bad thing?? Is it better to have the right to spew any vective, just to be badder or meaner. I would rather use intelligent discourse than spew hatred and ignorant insults.
I've never felt restricted either aussies are pretty laid back right? we have always been about people having a fair go, tolerance. that's why we have such a peaceful nation despite the many cultures and religions. it is against the law to incite violence and prejudice, I have to ask what's wrong with that?
DeleteI would love to know how this is supposed to "criminalise my thoughts and speech" by the way.
ReplyDeleteI am permitted to think whatever I like.
Because I am not allowed to yell racist things in the street, means I am part of a civilised society, not the opposite.
How do cultures even hope to assimilate otherwise
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ReplyDeleteTexshan I sound a bit angry up there, passion can come across that way, something you probably understand :)
ReplyDeleteNo hard feelings, we both love the country we live in, which is a good thing.
"Because I am not allowed to yell racist things in the street, means I am part of a civilised society, not the opposite."
ReplyDeleteastrogirl that is ridiculous. i'm glad that this scumbag is going to jail, but i'm also glad that it's for the crimes he's committed and not for the things he's said. i'd rather live in a world where ignorant jackasses are allowed to expose their vile natures.
I'm a bleeding heart liberal, and I also agree with about 90% of what Robert said. I'm still an Obama supporter, and elated about ObamaCare, but he is definitely lacking in some areas. Elizabeth Warren for President!!!
ReplyDeleteThe 0% Native American who got a free ride? Yeah, to hell with birth certificates, we need financial aid disclosures to see who's lying. Beginning with O.
DeleteBeatitude, I am afraid you missed my point completely.
ReplyDeleteWe don't restrict any speech here, you can write about whatever subject you want, or demonstrate against anything you like, you just cannot use hate speech or slurs to get your point across.
As an example
If you hate gay people, you can protest at the Gay Mardi Gras or write articles in the paper, unlike places like China, that is freedom of speech.
Here, the placard you hold up can say I dont agree with Gay or marriage is for man and woman, but you can't have one that says God hates Fags like they do over in the US.
I understand that. I live in Canada we have basically the same hate speech laws, and it's total bullshit. Legally enshrining these words as taboo just gives them more power.
ReplyDeleteSo by that logic you would think this recent protest in Sydney by angry Muslims was ok then. I am glad our police can arrest the guys who started this, it means we have a chance to stamp these cinders out before it becomes a bush fire.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-violence-has-no-place-in-our-country-gillard-says-20120916-25zyq.html
Don't get angry, if you actually read the article you would notice that a peaceful protest turned violent, when they started throwing insults around like Christians were immoral and should die, or my personal favourite, when a little 5 year old girl held up a sign saying it was ok to behead those who mocked Mohammed. Yes, behead.
ReplyDeleteIt was a peaceful protest until 'words' were used to provoke anger, much like you are trying to do now.
Have a nice day, I am having a fabulous one thanks.
Oh, well in that case... absolutely nothing changes.
ReplyDeleteI see nothing wrong with people holding up signs saying it's ok to behead those who mock Mohammed.
They are offensive words. They are scary words. But again, they are just words. Describing approval for something illegal.
You have a problem with that, maybe make your own signs that express the opposite opinion instead of counting on big brother to protect your delicate sensibilities.
Because giving the government license to shut down some speech is another way of saying you are giving government license to shut down speech, period.
The fact that you don't understand how high a price that is, it doesn't make me angry, just sad.
Sigh. its an indicator of your personality that you can be so disrespectful and judgemental of me, when you didnt even give me the common courtesy of reading the article.
ReplyDeleteThey didn't get arrested for the signs OK.
The protesters who were arrested, were arrested because they were throwing missiles at police, damaging property and starting fisticuffs with bystanders.
I don't think you can do that in ANY country and not be arrested.
I am not ignorant, nor do I allow my government to dictate to me, you're making very broad assumptions about me based on one ideal I believe in. You're the sad one sweetheart.
"Because I am not allowed to yell racist things in the street, means I am part of a civilised society, not the opposite."
ReplyDelete"I am not ignorant, nor do I allow my government to dictate to me"
What alternate universe do you live in where these contradictory statements can both be true at the same time?
You don't allow the government to dictate to you, not even when they are not allowing you to say something.
Do you understand why I think you are stupid now?
Maybe make up your tiny confused mind before you get into a debate if you expect to be taken seriously in the future.
You want to discuss confusion. Ok try to wrap your mind around this one.
ReplyDeleteYOU don't seem to grasp the concept that freedom of speech and hate speech are two entirely different ideals.
Sadly unenlightened people like in the example I gave above about hating gays, use this 'freedom of speech' loophole to deliberately incite hatred, pain or violence.
Look you little twit. First, I'm not mad at you. Why don't you take a little break and scroll up this page and note what my first comment in this thread is so you can perhaps understand to some degree why I seem like I might be a little fucking ticked off right now. I've been awake for around 42 hours so I'm done trying to explain shit to you.
ReplyDeleteMaybe just one more attempt.
ReplyDelete"Don't get angry, if you actually read the article you would notice that a peaceful protest turned violent, when they started throwing insults around like Christians were immoral and should die"
there is no continuum that starts with speech and ends in violence. they are separate things. the violence did not start when they started throwing insults. the violence started when the violence started.
It was a planned attack on Sept 11 and had nothing to do with this ass's documentary. We have a demonstration in Dearborn Mi attacking our 1st amendment rights by Muslims that live there. You want to talk about credit card and ID fraud? The crazy ass arrested should have rec 'd hard time. I am familiar with his case. But the folks in Dearborn? Prior to Sept 2001 they were one of the top 3 areas in USA for muslims to set up credit bust out rings that forwarded money to al quaeda . Huge and it affected your credit. It is still in the top 10. I worked their cases as well. Disgusting. This is about Israel, folks. Those WOMD? Do you really believe they did not get over the border from Iraq to Syria?
ReplyDeleteThank you everyone!
ReplyDeleteDialouge, actual conversation back and forth with different opinions and ideas, not just repeating what you have heard or seen.
There is hope. There is hope.
I haven't got a chance to look in since my last comment here and I can't believe u attacking astrogirl like that, u have no idea bout what happens here.
ReplyDeleteBeatitude:
ReplyDeleteI respectfully disagree with your comment about "no continuum that starts with speech and ends in violence". Thoughts and speech create the future. Words are very powerful tools and when used as weapons, when used to send out hateful messages, they will in fact create that reality. Negative speech crests negativity. Look at the words of our peace loving leaders - MLK, Dali Lama, etc. They knew this and use(d) loving words to elevate. "Be the change you want to see in this world" -DL.
I hope today is a better day for you :D
If he had done a slam piece on a Republican, he would be a media darling.
ReplyDeleteApparently the filmmaker's family was murdered by the Moslem brotherhood years ago.
ReplyDeleteThis being said, Christians are supposed to forgive.
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