May 12, 2018
The company of this permanent A++ list singer has a paid army of online defenders of the singer's image. They're always creating new accounts which appear to have the sole purpose of defending the singer against any negative accusations. Say one thing about this singer and child molesting, and they swarm.
Michael Jackson
The company of this permanent A++ list singer has a paid army of online defenders of the singer's image. They're always creating new accounts which appear to have the sole purpose of defending the singer against any negative accusations. Say one thing about this singer and child molesting, and they swarm.
Michael Jackson
I wouldnt be surprised if Beyonce doesnt do this as well.
ReplyDeleteI think most celebrities do this, including the British Royal Family.
ReplyDeleteLet's see how long it takes for them to show up here.
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DeleteI’ve seen those types on CDAN (not MJ’s but some D-lister who’s only known for who he’s friends with—what’s shocking to me was the fact that someone so low on the Ulmer scale would employ a troll farm... And I was just pointing out the obvious, but boy did they pounce).
DeleteIt didn’t take long for his to pounce. I think I criticised him circa January 17 this year (?) on a Chris Cornell BI IIRC, and they didn’t take long to show up.
And what’s really dissapointing was how racist they turned out to be (responsible for some of the anti-Semitic and Islamophoic comments on here, blatant racial slurs against Meghan Markle). I was a fan of one of the celebs who’s known to be friends with the D-lister I criticised. Really didn’t expect that at all from people he associated with...
They’re also stalking me on social media (with the same anti-Semitic crap they spew here, really hateful stuff like abortion “jokes” some with CDAN-related names like “Hmmmm”, just disturbing stuff).
And I just KNOW they’re going to place the blame on the fans. They’re going to say his genuine fans swarmed me like he has Beyoncé’s beehive or something (uhm, no he doesn’t—his “friend’s” fans don’t even defend the FRIEND like that when people criticise the friend). They’re also probably going to claim a fellow female fan was the one harassing me or something (it’s not—it sounds like the harassment coming from a male).
Yeah, blame the female fans and make a woman the “bad cop” so you can shut them down by screaming “misogyny”... Classy.
Pretty sure Woody Allen does this too.
ReplyDeleteHow does one get such a job?
ReplyDeleteYou have to have lost all your self respect and live slightly north of the gutter
DeleteDon't forget
ReplyDeletethe conglomeration of doubles and mind fk that is called "Lady Gaga"
And the soul selling shifter called "Adele"
Yes, both white and black people have representation in the form of publicity agents and management.
DeleteNo one's swarming. People have differing opinions for sure, but the paid shills aren't coming from MJ (who's dead in case you hadn't noticed). I see over and over blatant lies spoken about Michael, constantly repeated so that people end up assuming they're true. Most of the current assumptions come from a falsified document circulated around the media after MJ's death, replete with half truths and outright lies.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-child-porn-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8
MJ was investigated by a police department notorious for covering up the sexual predation of Hollyweird, including organized pedophile gangs. Does anyone really think that they went after him because they were worried about the children? IMO Michael was a weird dude. He'd been given puberty blockers as a kid and his own doctor outright said in court that he'd been chemically castrated. I doubt he could express or sustain.any kind of sexual relationship. But be that as it may his main crime was to upset someone(s) who were powerful enough to go after him. My own take is that the entire police investigation was a shakedown to pressure him to sell the Beatles catalog on the cheap. People forget but before the days of piracy and streaming the Beatles publishing rights were THE golden egg that everyone in the music biz wanted, and plenty of people hated MJ's guts for having gotten hold of it so cheaply.
Hello. How do you know the document is falsified?
DeleteHey Barstool, so the people ie: the family's management, publicists and attorneys don't have secretaries going on websites to deflect, shill (as you call it), deflect and try to sway popular opinion? LMFAO! I've been there, stool!
DeleteWoody Allen doesn't care enough one way or the other to do this.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, testing: Michael Jackson and kiddie porn.
5...4...3...2...
Oh, I see they were already here.
ReplyDelete@Vessimede You know, I usually just skip whatever you say because it's a lot of blah blah. But genuinely, thanks for posting. It's a lot to think about.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/S449-xjooz0
Delete@Do Tell I’ve noticed that when Woody Allen is called a child molester on here that a bunch of non regulars usually show up and leap to his defence.
ReplyDeleteThe only ones i have seen do that are people i have seen here on the regular in the past.
ReplyDeleteAnd FFS, please, poor Michael Jackson getting shook down assaulted with child molestation claims over the Beatles catalogue? That is the most convoluted, dimweitted conspiracy theory i've seen here yet.
ReplyDeleteJacko himself said he had other people's kids sleeping in his bed with him and saw nothing wrong with it. The hallway leading to his bedroom was wired to detect anyone approaching. What kind of person does that and says that?
*dimwitted
ReplyDeleteA weirdo, Do Tell, but that doesn't make MJ a child molester.
ReplyDeleteAnd nope, don't believe Mia Farrow either. She's a nutcase.
Do you believe her daughter who was molested? Or what about your own eyes seeing that that perv married the barely legal sister of his children whom he had known since she was prepubescent? Mia is a weirdo, but Woody is even worse
DeleteThe catalog was valued in the hundreds of millions, mainly due to the CD boom in the nineties. MJ sold a 50% stake to Sony Music for less than a hundred mil in 95, a laughable under valuation, 2 years after the pedophile accusations blew up and all but destroyed his career. There was literally hundreds of millions to be made, what's dim-witted about wondering if maybe the motivation for the targeted investigation by a hyper corrupt police department with a well documented history of covering up sex crimes? Note the police investigation was dropped in 1994, a few months later MJ sells half of his property for a fraction of it's worth? Yeah pure coincidence no doubt.
ReplyDeleteI mean, if you really WERE a child molestor, you wouldn't act/look as plain damn weird as MJ did. At least, I wouldn't, but then poor MJ had a weird, fairly terrible life.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe MJ needed the money. He notoriously overspent on everything.
ReplyDeleteThat said, I totally believe the lawsuits were shakedowns. Hell, the father of one of the accusers bragged about the settlement he was going to get.
I'm a skeptic. I don't believe scurrilous stories without evidence, and despite many investigations, there's been no credible evidence that MJ was guilty.
It’s probably the same for any high profile celebrity with a major controversy tbf. Both the believers and non believers of any emotive allegations can be equally passionate, aggressive and evangelical in their absolute certainty that they’re right and everyone else is wrong.
ReplyDeleteJust like Jimi Hendrix, MJ (and Prince for that matter) are worth more money dead than they were alive. I think that is a HUGE fact a lot of people miss concerning MJ’s death.
ReplyDeleteI'm with Sara - how do I get this job? It sounds more entertaining than my current job and I could troll from home instead of facing rush hour traffic each day. Sara and I are for rent!
ReplyDeleteEither:-
ReplyDeleteThe lawyers who brought the cases against Jackson were the most incompetent negotiators imaginable
OR
The lawyers don't like money
OR
MJ didn't diddle those kids*
*That is not to say he didn't diddle other kids but those specific cases brought would have yielded VASTLY greater compensation if there'd been any truth to them. ANY provable truth.
(For the record I'm not paid to defend MJ, I'm trying to make people here less retarded. Was MJ a pedo? I don't know. Did MJ sexually assault Chandler? No, and I know this because of the payout. I can believe MJ was a pedo; I cannot believe a lawyer wouldn't extract maximum compensation from the BILLIONAIRE.)
@Sara and @Thia, there was a much-circulated Reddit post about five years ago from a woman who had this kind of job, although I believe her job was to advocate for various political positions, depending on the day.
ReplyDeleteShe was hired at a decent wage to post comments from a variety of accounts, and sometimes went so far as to argue with one of her alternate identities, putting up arguments that could then be knocked down, or making the other side seem dumb or bigoted.
If you have some time on your hands, you could try to hunt down the Reddit post. She basically had a full-time job writing sock puppet comments.
Oh, gee, I found it myself. Google "I was a paid internet shill."
ReplyDeleteThe post is from 2011; apparently there is some discussion about whether the post is a hoax.
Reading now @Nutty_FLavor. This is fascinating. It does sound like this could be a hoax, but the tactics seem real.
ReplyDelete@Thia I agree that the tactics sound recognizable - and I'm not surprised that political partisans would pay for this kind of thing.
ReplyDeleteIf anything, I would think this type of work would be more professional and organized in 2018 than it was in 2011.
Sleeps with boys, by his own acknowledgment.
ReplyDeleteHad hidden room with secret passage in bedroom.
Fled to Bahrain for a year following pedophile accusations disgrace.
It's certainly possible for Michael Jackson to have been right about the satanic music biz and a cabal of international scum who "don't care care about us," and still be so broken from his own childhood abuse that he was sexually attracted to male children.
As for whether paid shill online propagandists exist, don't even question it. I have a friend who works for an ad agency in New York. She actually sits in meetings with companies as they strategize online propaganda shill campaigns for brands. There are entire companies devoted to it.
ReplyDelete@Nutty So only one person has ever come forward to admit they got paid to do this kind of thing? I know that Facebook likes can be purchased, same with Instagram followers but I thought it was all mainly bot generated. I’d be surprised if there really were whole army’s of people with tons of accounts each getting paid, especially when they can be computer generated.
ReplyDelete@SalT
ReplyDeleteI don't know if persuasive posts can be bot generated - at least not yet.
Simple posts certainly can - using the recent example of the Royal Wedding, a group of highly upvoted two-word posts, along the lines of "She's lovely" or "What a class act" started appearing just about show time, suddenly walloping the anti-Meghan posts that had been running for weeks.
But on any forum, the posts that really move public opinion usually contain humor or some kind of new and suprising information, and that's difficult to automate - at least right now. You need a human, even an insincere human.
@Donna, what is the current industry term for shilling? It's a sincere question I don't know the answer to. "Sponsored posts" are usually labelled as such - are these "sponsored commenters" or something along those lines?
ReplyDelete@Sal T - I have gone down the rabbit hole of people being paid to do this. Seems like there are teams who get paid to comment on news websites, etc. One guy even talks about the different kinds of payment structures.
ReplyDeleteTo stay on track of this thread, I have never thought MJ was a pedo. I'm not a fan, never really liked his music although Thriller was a great album. It was one interview I saw of him during the scandal. Don't remember the network or even who interviewed him. He struck me as a 12 year old boy. Like that's where his maturity stopped. So sleepovers would seem normal to him. I don't know. Haven't thought about this in a long time.
@NuttyFlavor:
ReplyDeleteJust texted my friend. She responded right away: "Online brand reputation management." LOL!
Correct the Record was one of the companies that hired people and was a political organization.
ReplyDeleteI believe @Amazing Quotes would be a good example of a bot. hahahahaha
ReplyDeleteA more recent example of a paid shill: "Reddit User Claims He Was Paid to Troll Bernie Sanders Supporters"
ReplyDeleteOn the Michael Jackson topic, I found the book by his bodyguards persuasive. ("Remember The Time" by Bill Bray et. al.)
They said MJ was a pretty normal guy who did laundry for his kids in the middle of the night. (He preferred Tide).
They also say they exchanged the usual dirty guy talk about women and their bodies with MJ, and that they did several airport pickups for women who were then delivered to MJ's hotel rooms, which he would book at locations where his kids were not present.
The women were then picked up in the morning. They said MJ had a taste for women with dark, curly hair.
They worked for him in the post-Neverland days.
@Donna Thanks! Nice euphemism there.
ReplyDeleteIf I weren't a staff writer for an arts pub who's not allowed to write professionally for others, I'd be all over that job. Hell, I might even enjoy it (although as with every other job I've ever had, what starts out fun usually gets old after a while).
ReplyDelete@Nutty Good point. I’ve seen the two word spam bot comments often (on Instagram especially) and you’re right that it wouldn’t work the same way for persuasive argument.
ReplyDelete@Thia Interesting, in that case I’m with you and @Sara!
I heard Google had come up with AI (artificial intelligence) that would have full access to your records. It would call doctors offices and make appointments for you- in your voice- and be able to answer the questions a doctors office would ask you- all without the doctors office knowing it was a computer. It's good in this day and age to consider motives. That stuff scares the crap out of me
ReplyDelete@hhstarr - I read recently that FB was trying to get access to medical records to predict which users had what ailments, etc. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/facebook-building-8-explored-data-sharing-agreement-with-hospitals.html That is terrifying as well.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely agreed.
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ReplyDeleteYeah, you have to wonder when Facebook and Google will either get broken up or regulated like the utilities they are.
ReplyDeleteComment bots have been around for over a decade, there was an article about the US gov't using them.
ReplyDeleteNot "maybe in the future", it's been happening for a while. I had the page bookmarked on an old laptop because people refuse to believe it, but when you consider some of the tasks computer programs already do is it really that big of a leap to imagine a program that can assess the "quality" of a post within particular parameters, cut copy & paste it elsewhere? Really?
I assume at least 20% of posts anywhere are bots. Like, the entire conversation that's been had here about bots has probably been had not too differently on another site somewhere already. That's why I make an effort to come over as an asshole when posting, because who writes a program to make a comment bot an asshole?
Or maybe they do....
Sorry this could be about Taylor Swift, Beyonce or Nicki Minaj. Too bad that MJ still being dragged through the mud. He not only had his day in court but has had decades of people after him and still..his FBI files are clean. Nothing they could bust him on and "they" sure all wanted to. Different? Yes. Strange? Yes. A criminal? No.
ReplyDeletethe proof that michael jackson WASN'T a child molestor is BECAUSE he paid 23,000,000 to settle the suit? (you consider that small?) yeah, Trump paid off Stormy because he DIDN'T sleep with her. And Cosby paid off people because he didn't abuse them. etc.
ReplyDeleteand those LA cops orchestrated and manipulated several boys over years to fabricate stories, and accurately describe his penis, and jesus juice, and got Jackson to state he slept in the same bed as the boys, and had him buy all those nude boy books, and the safe doors and tunnels and cameras to his room, all because they were really arranging a shakedown for the beatles catalog. (but not the entire catalog, just half of it.)
this whole site has story after story of how wealthy/famous people are able to get away with crimes because of the massive money machine behind them via payoffs to cops, judges, the use of fixers (or killers). you don't think jackson's team/co, whose own catalog is a money machine, making a 100 miillion or more a year even today, paid people off quietly for years? had massive PR teams to spin stories? they are protecting their cash cow.
and stop saying he was a man-boy, like he's some innocent beautiful creature. he was a drug addict who, sadly, had deep mental health problems.
remember when he dangled his kid out the window from 5 stories up? any parent will tell you how terrifying that is to see. (and yet someone will try to defend that too, saying 'he was just showing the baby to fans'. sorry, no one but a sociopath or extreme narcissist would do that -- soemone who would also not see the harm he was doing to the boys he molested either.)
micheal jackson dangles baby out window:
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/MfCyxNA869s
I generally skip any comment by Vessemede, because he's utterly full of shit, in that unique way that only 4chan fosters.
ReplyDeleteAnd MJ did a lot of things we'll never know about. And he paid off some pretty powerful people to get away with it. Innocent people don't pay off the parents of children you had interactions with. He may have had sex with women AND kids. It's not unknown for pedos to pretend to have perfectly normal sexual relations with spouses and girlfriends.
But we'll never know, now. And since his death and the attempt to canonize him as a celebrity saint, a lot of the dirt on him has been buried deep.
He was fucked up, in a lot of ways. His daughter is fucked up. His father was fucked up. The whole story is sad, and fucked up.
But you keep falling for lame 4chan conspiracy theories about the Beatles catalog. It's only a matter of time before Vessemede feels comfortable enough here to show his true 4chan colors, and starts ranting about "THE JOOZ". Fuck Vessemede. He's a fucking troll. He does what this thread is about, but he does it for free, because he's a conspiracy theory fuckwit.
@Faust60 said "Just like Jimi Hendrix, MJ (and Prince for that matter) are worth more money dead than they were alive. I think that is a HUGE fact a lot of people miss concerning MJ’s death."
ReplyDeleteThis IS an interesting point.
As far as shills go I remember reading a comment about people in 3rd world countries (forget which ones) are paid to leave positive comments on Amazon. If I see only positive comments on a product I look at other comments made by a couple of the people to see if they have a history of praising every thing they review. Also if the comments are in broken English that makes me wonder if the review is a fake.
Also during the election I saw my Twitter handle used to post comments diametrically opposed to my beliefs. Have no idea how this is done.
@Moose Anon & Unknown & anyone else unwilling to shift their world view:
ReplyDeleteYes, $23m proves he DIDN'T. Yes, that's lots of money to me. I'm not a billionaire.
$23m to MJ was less than 2% of his net worth. If the lawyers could prove he'd diddled they'd have been looking for 9 figures to settle MINIMUM. (For comparison, 2% of my current net worth is about $50. I do not consider that a lot of money)
He was a fucking billionaire.
So, again:
Either:-
The lawyers who brought the cases against Jackson were the most incompetent negotiators imaginable
OR
The lawyers don't like money
OR
MJ didn't diddle those kids
You believe the billionaire diddled then let his victim frolic free until said victim decided they wanted to cash in at less than 20% of what they could've got. I believe there was no case and the billionaire paid the chump change to shut it down.
Believe MJ was a kiddy fiddler, fine, I can't argue.
Believe he fiddled with Chandler etc and I have to point out you're unable to critically analyze data, willfully ignorant, or both. (Or a bot, probably a bot, right? You're not really that dumb. Right?)
Yes, $23m proves he didn't do it. Focus on other "evidence" instead, like dangling a baby out of a window or whatever. Enjoy yourself.
and here's how the PR machine does it, to protect their assets, be it MJ or in this case, Woody Allen, as related by Ronan Farrow:
ReplyDelete"Every day, colleagues at news organizations forwarded me the emails blasted out by Allen’s powerful publicist, who had years earlier orchestrated a robust publicity campaign to validate my father’s sexual relationship with another one of my siblings. Those emails featured talking points ready-made to be converted into stories, complete with validators on offer — therapists, lawyers, friends, anyone willing to label a young woman confronting a powerful man as crazy, coached, vindictive. At first, they linked to blogs, then to high-profile outlets repeating the talking points — a self-perpetuating spin machine.
The open CC list on those emails revealed reporters at every major outlet with whom that publicist shared relationships — and mutual benefit, given her firm’s starry client list, from Will Smith to Meryl Streep. Reporters on the receiving end of this kind of PR blitz have to wonder if deviating from the talking points might jeopardize their access to all the other A-list clients."
Wienstein hired Black Cube, a private investigagion co. comporised of ex-mossad operatives, to track actresses and journalists. now imagine someone far wealthier
so Michael Sitrick is a PR specialist who does stuff for the MJ estate. He has highlighted on his website a description of Fortune magazine that compares him to a mobster getting rid of dead bodies. Oh, and he is also representing another client with a PR problem -- Harvey Weinstein.
@Forever -- oh i see. you are a lawyer, and an expert in settlements, so you know how much these cases settle for.
ReplyDeleteOR YOU HAVE NO CLUE. Here's evidence.
3 seconds of googling shows that molestation settlements run from 4 to 10 million: http://www.cifarelliinjurylaw.com/verdicts-and-settlements/?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
In the Catholic church (worth hundreds of billions) a settlement was $60 million total, for 25 vicitims, only about $825,000 per victim.
Sandusky / Penn State (an endowment of 3 biillion) is paying out way more, one of the top 10 settlements ever, 60 million, which ends up being about 1.4 million per victim.(http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/08/penn_state_settlements_are_lar.html)
OJ Simpson, for wrongful death of two people, was orderd to pay $33 million (12 million per person) for murder.
OR
Those lawyers are incompetent, don't like money, or all those perpetrators were innocent.
There's evidence for you.
Those who've spoken with a SB officer who was onscene for multiple calls to Neverland raise your hands.
ReplyDeleteNo one pays me to stick up for Woody Allen. Like @Krab said, Mia Farrow is a fruitcake. She was a scorned woman who was no longer a muse and would no longer be given lead rolls. As a decent actress she was able to make anything she said believable.
ReplyDelete@Remie Ross, if your comment is directed towards me, I do not believe her daughter was molested. I think she was coached by Mia enough to believe that she was molested. According to wikipedia Soon Yi was 21 when she became involved with Woody. That is a far cry from being barely legal. This was back in 1991. They are still together. Soon Yi has a Master's Degree in Special Education from Columbia University. I think she is intelligent enough to support herself if she felt her husband was a child molester and wanted to leave him. Did you ever think maybe they actually care for each other?
ReplyDeleteHey lutefisk, did you know that anyone can alter any item on wikipedia?
DeleteSoon Yi was 17 when Mia found the NAKED photos of her DAUGHTER on his mantel.
Why are you so gung ho in defending this piece of shit?
Well Michael Jackson knew all about how the Jews control everything so maybe he was more aware than people give him credit for. Maybe everything is really a frame up against him.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/24/michaeljacksontrial.arts
Michael Jackson has been taped making overtly anti-semitic remarks during a phone call, describing Jews as "leeches" that conspired to leave him "penniless".
"They suck," said Jackson. "I'm so tired of it ... they start out the most popular person in the world, make a lot of money. It's a conspiracy. Jews do it on purpose."
https://www.haaretz.com/1.4883514
Jackson infuriated Jewish groups in 1995 when his song "They Don't Care About Us" included the lyrics "Jew me, sue me, everybody do me, kick me, kike me."
@mary lamb, he was never found guilty of being a child molester. Why are you so intent on condemning him? Why has no one else ever accused him of the same crime? He didn't force Soon Yi to pose naked. She did it willingly. Again, in my opinion Mia was pissed off at him.
ReplyDeleteSeveral years ago, after 9/11, it was reported in the news that there was a vicious troll posting in the comments on one of the major news websites. One of the people he was attacking actually went after him, lawfully pressing charges. Come to find out, the troll revealed he was in fact CIA and they were paying him to troll 9/11 truthers commenting online. That was his job. To make the truth look like a lie. Much like several posters on these comment boards. They are everywhere. It's a thing now. Shill, troll, disinfo agent, provocateur, change agent, gatekeeper... they think they are clever. Not clever at all. Sick
ReplyDelete@Scandi You sound so upset by trolls, etc. Get grounded. Take your shoes off. Walk in the sand.
ReplyDeleteThat "troll" is probably a robot, somewhere in Asia.
.... Do we allow a robot to ruin our day?
Peace~
Not enough to “ruin my day”, no. But am I going to STFU about racism/anti-sémitisme/Islamophobia? No.
Delete
ReplyDelete@Scandi:
Sounds like you want to stir people up.
Racism goes in all directions. I've never practiced it, but it was ruthlessly practiced against me, and I'm not from a statistical minority
Good job, Enty (just wanted to leave that hear since so many people have been bitching and complaining with nothing nice to say about the site lately). 💛💛💛💛
ReplyDeleteTHIS he insulted Jews which is a BIG NO NO. They are the most powerful group on the planet. How can anyone think anything less but they were setting him up to be failed? Those motherfuckers are PURE evil.
ReplyDelete@Moose Anon
ReplyDeleteBill O'Reilly just settled a case for $32m.
His net worth is $85m.
So yeah, maybe Chandler's lawyers didn't like money, or they were incompetent. Or maybe MJ didn't fiddle the kid.
Or maybe there were factors mitigating the payouts in all your examples + MJ.
For example, OJ doesn't/didn't have $33m.
For example, there is no physical evidence in the Sandusky cases.
For example, the Catholic Church has a labyrinthine corporate structure that meant the Vatican didn't pay out for those cases, where again there was no physical evidence. (that's from your own link btw)
It seems like you've brought up these cases to show that when there's no physical evidence the victim gets a relatively small payout, so thank you for proving my point.
Astroturfing is real. It was a DoD project. Just like the internet. Air Force is recruiting for civilian contractors to AstroTurf (second and third shifts, overnight) from Bethesda, MD. You have to dig through the job descriptions but it’s there on monster and career builder.
ReplyDeleteEnty needs to change the name of his blog to Crazy Trolls and Anti-Semites. Then he can attract even more miscreants.
ReplyDeleteWell, I am not a paid troll, but I will defend till's world's end the innocence of MJ. Not because I am a crazy troll or a stan. But because my heart pains to see an innocent man witch-hunted to death by media to boost their revenue for click. Just like CDaN did now, RadarOnline has been doing for years, and other media outlets copying like herd. Does it work? Yes, people still miss him even years after he is gone and articles on him generates most clicks and comments. The media knows that. And oh! the people controlling the media are friends with actual paedophiles. Dig deeper to know.
ReplyDelete@Vessimede Barstool wins the comments section today!!
ReplyDelete@ForeverFilthy
ReplyDeleteyou say MJ is innocent because he paid so little. little must therefore be defined as compared to all other pay outs from wealthy parties for molestation cases. jacksons payout is considerably bigger than the other average molestation payments paid out to individuals, his 23,000,000 vs. 800,000/sandusky, or 1.4m by the church. jackson paid out a bigger amount. a much bigger amount. so by your own argument, this proves MJ's guilt -- he didn't pay 'so little', he paid a lot more. clearly, his lawyers liked money and went for a higher settlement, and got it.
clearly michael jackson molested the boy. (your use of 'fiddled' is creepy, like playing a violin. why not say molested, or sexually abused, even if you think its alleged?)
and more payments he made to others:
"Michael Jackson paid off at least two other boys and/or families. (“Paid off” is a differentiation, albeit a small one, from Jackson’s giving parents and ‘special friends’ extravagant gifts during the so-called “wooing” process, even if the gifts are obscene million-dollar checks, according to one account by La Toya Jackson.) One such recipient was a Latino youth named Jason Francia, the son of former Jackson personal chamber maid, Blanca Francia. Jason stated that after each of the fondling incidents Jackson gave him $100 bills.
The other boy receiving a settlement — or some other mysterious payment — was David Martinez.Not much is known about David, or his mother Ruby Martinez, only that they’d received $300,000 from Jackson around the time Santa Barbara County police were investigating him for allegedly molesting Gavin Arvizo. ; the details of the payment to the Martinezes emerged during Jackson’s financial trial against former business associate and close friend, F. Marc Schaffel, a man with a history in the gay pornography business of which Jackson had been keenly aware.
As the story goes, the hush money was paid to the Martinezes about ten days following Jackson’s arrest from funds within one of Schaffel’s personal accounts and Schaffel fully expected to be reimbursed.
In fact, the payment to the family had been corroborated by three of Jackson’s associates: friend and business adviser attorney Al Malnik and Jackson’s accountant Alan Whitman testified under oath in the trial that the payment had indeed occurred; additionally, emails from former Jackson defense attorney Mark Geragos also verified the payment: he’d approved travel expenses for Schaffel “related to that transaction”, even though he was not familiar with the details of the matter itself.
"During searches of Neverland, police found two books (Boys Will Be Boys and The Boy); two actual photographs of unclothed boys; and 29 naturist magazines. According to prosecutors at Jackson’s 2005 trial, the common denominator in all 29 magazines was naked boys. The first of the photos found was described in court documents as “A photograph of a boy, believed to be Jonathan Spence, fully nude”. Jonathan Spence was a special friend of Jackson’s in the mid-1980’s. To suggest there is nothing pedophilic about a nude photograph of a boy owned by a man who shared a bed with that same boy would be disingenuous.
The second photo was equally suspicious, described as “A photograph of a young boy holding an umbrella, wearing bikini bottoms partially pulled down.”
It goes on and on. how much evidence do you need?
https://www.mjfacts.com/the-jordie-chandler-settlement-revisited/
and finally: read this creepy testimony how michael jackson had a young boy delivered to him at 1:30 in the morning:
https://www.mjfacts.com/how-michael-jackson-called-up-and-had-a-boy-delivered-to-his-door/
note that jackson always chose boys -- as predators do -- from broken, poor, low status families. the parents shouldn't have acquiesed, but they were also in vulnerable states and groomed over many months, and slowly came to trust MJ.
@Moose is clearly a "paid online defender" by the nasty work that runs mjfacts.com/. Each of your argument is apocryphal. The maid Blanca Francia has already been outed as a liar who was made to quit from her job for stealing. If someone waved $100 benjamins on her face, they were the lying media and journalists to get a sensational story.
ReplyDelete@little miss
ReplyDeletetestifying under oath is apocryphal? police reports and witness testimony are apocryphal? (go collect your check).
what's more likely: to be a paid agent of the billiion dollar MJ enterprise, who could easily employ shills to defend him online to prop up the global reputation and preserve the value and legacy of his music (see the post above to the Michael Sitrick/MJ PR flack and his dirty tactics and clients like Weinstein)...
or to be a paid agent of a minor blog that no on knows about and has no revenue (i dont think it even runs ads)? (I only refered to the mjfacts site because there is a lot of documentation, court transcripts, etc etc.)
who is more likely to benefit: unknown blog with no revenue, or huge entertainment company with billion dollar assets to protect?
why would the media witch hunt on MJ for clicks, when they were able to get those (sell papers) simply by reprinting MSs own tabloid PR manipulations (Bubbles, Oxygen tent, Elephant man, etc.)
the only reason i bother posting about this dead celebrity is because it points out enablers like you (paid or stans) who've allowed MJ, Weinstein, Sandusky, Cosby, Saville, the Church, the Olympic coach, etc etc. get away with it for so long.
no more feeding the trolls. and by that i mean presenting facts
mic(hael) drop
@Moose Anon
ReplyDelete"you say MJ is innocent because he paid so little. little must therefore be defined as compared to all other pay outs from wealthy parties for molestation cases. jacksons payout is considerably bigger than the other average molestation payments paid out to individuals, his 23,000,000 vs. 800,000/sandusky, or 1.4m by the church. jackson paid out a bigger amount. a much bigger amount. so by your own argument, this proves MJ's guilt -- he didn't pay 'so little', he paid a lot more. clearly, his lawyers liked money and went for a higher settlement, and got it"
This is where you and I disagree, clearly.
I don't think he paid "little" in comparison to these other, later cases.
He DID pay "little" in comparison to WHAT A COURT WOULD HAVE AWARDED IN DAMAGES. For example, if the accusers actually had a case they could win & they went to court they'd have received ~500% MORE MONEY.
Also, you seem to not understand the differences between your examples and the MJ case. In only one of the cases (MJ) was the accused a fucking private individual who was also a BILLIONAIRE.
Sandusky - they sued an establishment.
Catholic Church - insulated by corporate structure.
O.J. - private individual who was ordered to pay MORE THAN HE COULD AFFORD.
But the private BILLIONAIRE? He can just pay what was pocket change TO HIM.
I could go on and try to explain to you why your only source (mjfacts) is bullshit, or why you finding the use of the word "fiddling" says more about you than it does me, but you don't seem particularly rational. "MJ is a pedo" obviously generates more clicks than "MJ is a weirdo".
The very fact you post text from a disreputable source to bolster your argument shows you don't really have one. Your argument is hyperbolic & rhetorical. You seem to think you're presenting facts when you're presenting theory.
Just think about 2% of the money you possess right now - is that a lot or a little? And just think if you could prove in court that a BILLIONAIRE fiddled with a child, and that BILLIONAIRE offered you $20m - would you take it? Is 2% enough for you when if you went to court YOU'D GET MORE? If you were the child, wouldn't you want more? If you were the parent, wouldn't you want more? (See where I'm going with this?) If you were the lawyers taking a % WOULDN'T YOU WANT MORE?
"It goes on and on. how much evidence do you need?"
MORE THAN THE CHANDLER LAWYERS POSSESSED YOU IGNORAMUS :)
I'm not a paid bot but I'm always here to defend MJ.
ReplyDelete@filthy
ReplyDeletei included links to past amounts for various molestation cases, from law firm, etc. you just made your own amount up out of thin air. i also linked to court transcripts, and a site that quotes criminologists, and other 'on the record' sources. you just make stuff up.
more facts to your pure rhetoric, and re: O.J. - private individual who was ordered to pay MORE THAN HE COULD AFFORD.
in 2004, when he settled for 23 million with the child he molested, michael jackson was in a cash crisis, so much so that he had to borrow 70 million from Bank of America to immediately pay it: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/12/arts/michael-jackson-faces-cash-crisis.html
by your arguement, OJ paid so little because he was broke. well, MJ was also 'broke', so could have used looming bankruptcy to bring the settlement down, even tho he was a billionaire.
so: he paid more than all other molestation cases, more than big establishments like the 4 billion dollar one Sandusky was employed by, and by the gabillion dollar wealthy church.
the fact is, he separated kids from their parents. paid them with money or gifts. groomed them with trust. always predated on kids from broken families. set himself up with a child charity, like Saville. and slept with boys. they described his penis accurately, and jackson settled after the photos were taken. he had naked photos of kids, one connected to him, as well as books known by criminologists to be collected by pedos.