tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post1765092381342397039..comments2024-03-20T02:18:58.950-07:00Comments on Crazy Days and Nights: Timmy Clarifications And Hintsent lawyerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08658046190988387228noreply@blogger.comBlogger323125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-82573474084199223622007-09-07T13:52:00.000-07:002007-09-07T13:52:00.000-07:00Back in those days, tuberculosis wasn't an uncommo...Back in those days, tuberculosis wasn't an uncommon ailment. She/He could have explained a high-neck collar or scarf around the neck away as hiding a TB scar or maybe hiding a thyroid (goiter) problem or even a tracheotomy scar. Thus hiding the adam's apple.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01260572433238214235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-10179755666714324302007-09-05T10:10:00.000-07:002007-09-05T10:10:00.000-07:00Cohn didn't want to cast Judy Holliday in the film...Cohn didn't want to cast Judy Holliday in the film version of Born Yesterday... He admired her stage work, but he could not imagine that movie audiences, accustomed to another "look" in women, would accept Holliday's "Slavic, somewhat embattled appearance."<BR/><BR/>Slavic? Embattled? <BR/><BR/>So Cohn had her do a screen test, a picture actually, with Spencer Tracy (a "technically-single" closeted A-List actor). That movie, "Adam's Rib," cemented her status as a force to be reckoned with onscreen and removed Cohn as a barrier to her starring in "Born Yesterday" the following year.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743102662075052151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-60065574027926207692007-09-05T09:27:00.000-07:002007-09-05T09:27:00.000-07:00From Entertainment Lawyer:"One night the lead actr...From Entertainment Lawyer:<BR/><BR/>"One night the lead actress was unable to perform and there was no understudy. A sold out audience was going to be sent home unless something was done.<BR/><BR/>Enter Timmy. With the audience none the wiser, Timmy performed the entire two hour show as the lead actress and received a standing ovation. He was brilliant and there was even a review in the paper which talked about this understudy who was even better than the regular actress.<BR/><BR/>As good as Timmy was, it was only for one night, and he went back to his regular role the next night. Timmy was excited about the possibilities the night before had held though and the response he received was never far from his mind."<BR/><BR/>From Judy Holliday website:<BR/><BR/>When Jean Arthur pulled out of Garson Kanin's stage comedy, Born Yesterday, only days before the scheduled Philadelphia opening, an astonished Judy, whose work had been admired by Kanin and by Broadway producer Max Gordon, was beckoned to step into the starring role of Billie Dawn. The scene that ensued when Judy arrived in Philadelphia became the stuff of show-business legend: unknown actress, three days to learn a formidable part, scalding black coffee, tears of exhaustion, mercifully little time for reasonable terror.<BR/><BR/>After the curtain, the audience in Philadelphia was beside itself. When they finally stopped applauding, they continued to sit in the theater as though to savor the experience. As the put-upon mistress of a tyrannical capitalist, Judy created one of the most memorable and hilarious characterizations in the history of theater comedy. The pantomimic gin-rummy scene in which she organized and reorganized her cards in the frenetic tempo of a Chaplin assembly line, her chorine walk unlike the walk of any chorine, the voice like helium escaping from a balloon imploring her junk-dealer/lover to do her a "favor" and "drop dead," were pure Holliday einfall. And she became a Broadway star.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743102662075052151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-64561858364865391242007-09-04T13:34:00.000-07:002007-09-04T13:34:00.000-07:00Where do we stand on Judy Holliday? Has she beeen...Where do we stand on Judy Holliday? Has she beeen ruled out? I know someone who knew her in Brooklyn. Said she had quite the skin condition that needed to be covered up - though I think she was referring to acne scars. Judy has the personality EL speaks of, also the B'way credits starting in the 40's and the short film career after Born Yesterday. Death by breast cancer. Since her son is still alive, I doubt it's her, but stillllll....Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743102662075052151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-46284853982477121842007-09-02T20:23:00.000-07:002007-09-02T20:23:00.000-07:00Dschingis, it can't be. look at their respective r...Dschingis, it can't be. look at their respective resumes. he would have had to put on weight and drop it again to make movies as both people in the same year! also his date of death does not fall within the 80-85 time period. sorry.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02234842772432395000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-35129127365154293492007-09-02T19:36:00.000-07:002007-09-02T19:36:00.000-07:00I have solved it. Merry Christmas! :-)This is it:C...<B>I have solved it. <BR/><BR/>Merry Christmas! <BR/>:-)</B><BR/><BR/>This is it:<BR/><BR/><B>Col Tim McCoy went from Western Movies to being Marie Dressler and afterwards <BR/><BR/>going on tour with the circus show.</B><BR/><BR/>Here are the scars, also you will find more resemblance (chin deviation to the right <BR/><BR/>and more) depending on the pictures.<BR/><BR/>Here is Marie Dressler´s pic with the best visible scar<BR/>http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1154/0792_0794.jpg<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Here is Tim McCoy scar<BR/>magnify the last picture here: http://www.b-westerns.com/mccoy.htm<BR/><BR/>Also some pictures in his circus life or some posters of his movies show the <BR/><BR/>caricatural "scar" <BR/>http://www.windriverhistory.org/exhibits/mccoy/tmccoy.htm<BR/>here Slides 64,65,<B>66,67</B><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Confirming Ents version about what Timmy did later in life:<BR/><BR/>With the demise of the Rough Riders, Tim McCoy's time as a screen hero was over. In <BR/><BR/>later years, he would do a few 'guest' appearance roles, such as playing the cavalry <BR/><BR/>troop leader in the AROUND THE WORLD IN EIGHTY DAYS (1956) epic. He also hosted a <BR/><BR/>TV series in the early 1950s where he commented about the Indians, sign language, <BR/><BR/>the Old West, etc.<BR/><BR/>For several years around the late 1950s, McCoy was the star attraction with the <BR/><BR/>Carson Barnes Circus, and you'll find more info later in these webpages.<BR/><BR/>And for many years (approximately 1962-1974), he was part owner and toured with the <BR/><BR/>Tommy Scott Caravan and Wild West Show (Johnny Mack Brown, Sunset Carson and Al <BR/><BR/>'Fuzzy' St. John also headlined the Scott show).<BR/><BR/><BR/>Source:<BR/>http://www.b-westerns.com/mccoy1.htmUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15571867654486641334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-68287934861610197522007-09-02T17:39:00.000-07:002007-09-02T17:39:00.000-07:00Checked a book, "They Had Faces Then", published i...Checked a book, "They Had Faces Then", published in the '70s and about '30s actresses, and Alice's bio info all seems to indicate she's the same actress all along. Differences in photos from different decades isn't that unusual; lots of actresses changed their looks over the years with cosmetic and/or surgical methods. I'm not convinced Alice is Timmy.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00241796091443881740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-25899636170676534122007-09-01T20:32:00.000-07:002007-09-01T20:32:00.000-07:00Hi, I'm Ryan. new to the board and COMPLETELY engr...Hi, I'm Ryan. new to the board and COMPLETELY engrossed in this story and have just spent the last 3 HOURS reading all of your research! Don't know if you guys realize how much work you have done, it takes THAT long to read all of it!! <BR/><BR/>With your research these re the women of most interest to me. <BR/><BR/>Judy Holliday<BR/>Joseephine Hull<BR/>Kay Kendall<BR/>Alice Brady<BR/><BR/>Alice seems too old to me, but that is soley a gut instinct and I would also think that EL would reference silent films in one way or another. <BR/><BR/>As far as Judy Holliday, I keep thinking of a quote from Grey Gardens when Little Edie talks about Max Gordon. She says "You've heard of him haven't you? Discovered Judy Holliday. Said I was much funnier." <BR/><BR/>Where would Judy Holliday have been "discovered"? A clue might be in there.Not Signedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17194527102908814588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-75864746097109131272007-09-01T17:23:00.000-07:002007-09-01T17:23:00.000-07:00Hey Jamie, people are posting about that now, over...Hey Jamie, people are posting about that now, over on this thread:<BR/><BR/>https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=37309174&postID=1561514609477634275&isPopup=true#form<BR/><BR/><BR/>Please come join us there!YahMoBTherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00830768610925196799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-7065159206372075442007-09-01T14:56:00.000-07:002007-09-01T14:56:00.000-07:00First, i love this site and so intrigued by this B...First, i love this site and so intrigued by this BI. I know for a fact though IMDB is not correct. it does not list that I was in the 40 Year Old Virgin nor, that I was case #24 on Deal or No Deal and other work. So I would not count on IMDB. However, i do believe it is Kay Kendall....too much of it makes sense too me. and I cant wait till Christmas!! ....jamie everetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13505024170682623605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-12558259335431372882007-09-01T08:44:00.000-07:002007-09-01T08:44:00.000-07:00Okay, I've been working on spread sheet on this fo...Okay, I've been working on spread sheet on this for the past two days!!!<BR/><BR/>Now I know everyone has dropped Kay Kendall of their lists and ruled her out. But! I own Les Girls and Sexy Beast - I watched both tonight and well there is one scene where Kay's brother Cavan is dancing on the patio. Cavan and Kay have simlar moves and more importantly the same physique and reaction times to another actor talking to them. <BR/><BR/>I don't think we should remove Kay from the list.<BR/><BR/>I am still working on my list but this is what I have so far...I put Kay back on the list because, well i don't want to rule her out yet....even though Rex died in 1990.<BR/><BR/>Alice Brady<BR/>Anna Magnani<BR/>Anne Baxter<BR/>Ethel Barrymore<BR/>Gertrude Berg<BR/>Janet Gaynor<BR/>Josephine Hull<BR/>Judy Holliday<BR/>Kay Kendall<BR/>Margaret Rutherford<BR/>Marie Dresslerturliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07971920525065083266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-3035817815710927532007-09-01T01:59:00.000-07:002007-09-01T01:59:00.000-07:00Also, if you see the examples in Brazil, Thailand ...Also, if you see the examples in Brazil, Thailand or even SF where you can´t tell a man if your live would depend on it, you know how much will pictures help here. <BR/><BR/>Ent said:<BR/>He was very rarely the lead, but in memorable role he was cast as the lead opposite a very closeted A list at the time actor who also remained single for his entire life. The two began a relationship which was always kept quiet but lasted for many years. <B>Shortly after Timmy was cast as the</B> (memorable) <B>lead, he was cast in another role which is the subject of the blind.</B><BR/><BR/>Then he says:<BR/><B>During award season, Timmy began winning regularly for his role.</B><BR/><BR/>Winning regularly for his role may imply a regular role, like a (TV)series or something. Or regularly that he won everything you can win in one (award)season.<BR/><BR/>And then, a particular season comes up and ent said: This award season was a blessing because it honored Timmy for his work.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ent also said: timmy´s old cast photos can still be found online. Thats a huge giveaway, i think.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15571867654486641334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-81913691886492842632007-09-01T00:11:00.000-07:002007-09-01T00:11:00.000-07:00ent says:#3."I actually went to a place that has o...ent says:<BR/>#3."I actually went to a place that has older films, BUT, I didn't use their name more to protect my own identity for when this is solved/revealed because <B>there aren't that many people renting this particular film.</B>" <BR/><BR/>He also states that even knowing it is hard to see and believe. And its a movie. So that makes it much harder sresearching in photos, since they are old, grainy and too exchangable in the way that fashion , haircuts and stuff were not so different like they are today. <BR/><BR/>Another help could be researching the other sites that posted this blind. Maybe there are some great hints there, or the solution.<BR/><BR/>remember the BI is about <B>the movie</B><BR/><BR/><BR/>Two more bits:<BR/>ent is a little bit older than you assume.<BR/>knowing jj since starting out, is not working for paramount, but for a firm wich worked for paramount. so you get your assignments from there.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15571867654486641334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-8325214776634002232007-08-31T23:25:00.000-07:002007-08-31T23:25:00.000-07:00not very many lead A list actors in this time fram...not very many lead A list actors in this time frame single til death. we are making a list. it's not easy...captivagrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09753803583241029101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-88563852499405494082007-08-31T23:12:00.000-07:002007-08-31T23:12:00.000-07:00we think the key hint is the A listed closeted act...we think the key hint is the A listed closeted actor "she" shared the lead with in the film just prior to the big role with all the awards...who were A list actors in the closet that NEVER married..has to be short list..?captivagrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09753803583241029101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-9705763063141622722007-08-31T22:06:00.000-07:002007-08-31T22:06:00.000-07:00But that's not a marriage one could easily forge o...But that's not a marriage one could easily forge or lie about, and she had a son (thought he could be adopted?). The Cyrus Holliday reference is certainly a good one, but I just can't see it.<BR/><BR/>Also, she did theatre for six years before going to Hollywood -- the BI says Timmy only did it as a woman for two or so, doesn't it?AlishaKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02044614603455857271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-88756030254750128352007-08-31T21:25:00.000-07:002007-08-31T21:25:00.000-07:00There is way too much substantiated biographical i...There is way too much substantiated biographical information about Judy Holliday for it to be her.<BR/><BR/>Also can't be Kay Kendall... she died of leukimia and there is a Kay Kendall Leukaemia Fund that awards grants for research on aspects of leukaemia and for relevant studies on related haematological malignancies.<BR/>There are is a biography written about KK as well.<BR/><BR/>We need to find someone with a very sketchy and unverifiable bio.Fabiola Thinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15048011490452938853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-88913976732407580972007-08-31T21:06:00.000-07:002007-08-31T21:06:00.000-07:00Well, well, well Moses. Aren't you the clever one!...Well, well, well Moses. Aren't you the clever one!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03455460317086405346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-37643204976234035872007-08-31T20:37:00.000-07:002007-08-31T20:37:00.000-07:00Google "Cyrus K. Holliday" and see what comes up.Google "Cyrus K. Holliday" and see what comes up.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11460067213202102897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-32773437565490769232007-08-31T20:36:00.000-07:002007-08-31T20:36:00.000-07:00Some things:-there's no reason there couldn't be a...Some things:<BR/><BR/>-there's no reason there couldn't be a marriage at some point in female Timmy's history. A short marriage that ended in divorce could be part of a fabricated bio.<BR/><BR/>-I think it says combined, Timmy did more than 100 films AND stage roles, so looking for someone with a long list at IMDB could be unhelpful.<BR/><BR/>-Alternately, if male-Timmy was in the background or had very small speaking roles, some films could be uncredited on a site like IMDB.<BR/><BR/>-The fact that sites have guessed correctly is probably our biggest fact to go on.<BR/><BR/>-Also, the scar. We have to find the scar.AlishaKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02044614603455857271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-59083336996345960222007-08-31T20:27:00.000-07:002007-08-31T20:27:00.000-07:00All of the pictures that I've seen look like studi...All of the pictures that I've seen look like studio pictures used for publicity purposes. I don't think that they would use pictures with blemishd skin. However, I don't see a scar, either.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11460067213202102897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-10920966129636278002007-08-31T20:17:00.000-07:002007-08-31T20:17:00.000-07:00Judy's boobage looks real to me. Surely Timmy woul...Judy's boobage looks real to me. Surely Timmy wouldn't have undergone a sex change, right? Her skin looks pretty nice, too.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03455460317086405346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-24870040227437252872007-08-31T20:14:00.000-07:002007-08-31T20:14:00.000-07:00Look at the list of film roles that she turned dow...Look at the list of film roles that she turned down after 1950. Why?<BR/>http://www.wtv-zone.com/lumina/judy/trivia.htmlUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11460067213202102897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-60895113202387953412007-08-31T20:08:00.000-07:002007-08-31T20:08:00.000-07:00Her story on IMDB sounds pretty fantastical - as i...Her story on IMDB sounds pretty fantastical - as if it's the plot to a movie and not a life. There are no real facts to back it up, nor any names given. Her pattern of coming to Hollywood and then returning to the stage seems to make sense. I wonder if there are any understudy Judy Holliday articles out there?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03455460317086405346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-70661535417617345562007-08-31T20:01:00.000-07:002007-08-31T20:01:00.000-07:00I agree. But what about the voice? No one has ad...I agree. But what about the voice? No one has addressed the issue of his/her voice. Maybe her distinctive voice was a necessity to cover the fact that she was a man?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11460067213202102897noreply@blogger.com