tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post2476480779799812695..comments2024-03-20T02:18:58.950-07:00Comments on Crazy Days and Nights: Liberace Infected Three Men With AIDSent lawyerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08658046190988387228noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-67785181584306771762013-12-09T17:39:23.381-08:002013-12-09T17:39:23.381-08:00Journalists and blogs (both low and highbrow) need...Journalists and blogs (both low and highbrow) need to stop quoting Scott Thornson as if is the last word on the life and times of Liberace. Regarding his age when he met Liberace, he's all over the map. In his book he claims 18, in his deposition 17 and now he has been saying 16. He claimed to Howard Stern that Lee was "48 years older" than he was which is impossible as that (even going with Thorson's low ball "age") that would put Liberace at 64 when they met in 1977 (or 1976 as Thornson is evasive about that date as well) when Liberace was 67 when he died in 1987! <br /><br />As for these false accusation about Liberace "infecting others", no one was practising safe sex in the late 70s and early 80s and there have been more than one account by a close Liberace friend that Cary James cheated on Liberace including with his own house keeper Dorothy McMahn. Most certainly there were others. By his own admission Thorson, who in his book claimed complete monogamy, has now admitted to cheating on Liberace with numerous people. Christopher Adler (whom Thorson refereed to as "Christopher Atkins" in one interview) was in his late 20s when he knew Liberace and was part of the elite NY theatre world which saw many AIDS casualties very early on in the epidemic so there is no reason to believe that he did not infect Liberace rather than vice versa. As for Bob Fisher, he was Liberace's valet in the early to mid 70s and according to al accounts out of the picture after he was replaced by lover/protegee Vince Cardell who was then replaced by Scott Thronson. Cardell died only recently and was never said to have had Aids . Thornson is a liar who was cut off completely and had no mutual friends with Liberace. His conjecture is clearly a way to make a buck while he continues to not get his life together.Customer Servicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14008418138518619839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-46041188819421718672013-06-06T10:20:34.284-07:002013-06-06T10:20:34.284-07:00MadLyb, from the movie Liberace was always the bot...MadLyb, from the movie Liberace was always the bottom because that is all Scott would do. He was bi-sexual. Liberace wanted to be top to Scott too but Scott wouldn't allow it. Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03460678344329825983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-58144754881967888372013-06-06T02:54:19.700-07:002013-06-06T02:54:19.700-07:00i'm pretty sure he thought that since someone ...i'm pretty sure he thought that since someone did it to him, then he should do it to others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-25313911878798847432013-06-06T00:55:49.703-07:002013-06-06T00:55:49.703-07:00Amen. Did a 20 yr old write this? Living during th...Amen. Did a 20 yr old write this? Living during that time period,late 70s-early 80s, things were majorly different. di butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706702741278772424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-59559599376743270242013-06-05T20:42:28.556-07:002013-06-05T20:42:28.556-07:00@Tina, very true. Even now, I cannot claim to hon...@Tina, very true. Even now, I cannot claim to honestly be a paragon of safe sex. <br /><br />*sigh*<br /><br />I think this calls for some levity. Fuck STDs.<br /><br />http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/fuck-this-thing-cat.gifDewieTheBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341414415082525502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-19195101933803076052013-06-05T19:44:14.275-07:002013-06-05T19:44:14.275-07:00I agree that early on, people just didn't &quo...I agree that early on, people just didn't "get" just how devastating and horrible AIDS was until bottoms started dropping like flies. That being said, I thought Liberace was a bottom? The movie seemed to indicate that...? Guess he was both.<br /><br />Later on, there were some guys who knowingly infected others while clearly understanding the consequences of the AIDS virus because they didn't want to wear protection or disclose that they had AIDS for fear of rejection. Remember Ray Sharkey?MadLybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17813966175970143725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-43171075230479907572013-06-05T16:22:57.954-07:002013-06-05T16:22:57.954-07:00In my experience, in Ontario, the family doctor w...In my experience, in Ontario, the family doctor wants you to come in for a yearly physical. They get paid every time you walk into the office so it's good for their pocketbook along with the general health benefits of discovering issues sooner than later which then costs everyone less in the long run. Their specialists buddies want the referrals. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17666375898375615826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-72306137503201475062013-06-05T16:18:39.472-07:002013-06-05T16:18:39.472-07:00Dewie Bear the scary thing is there are still peop...Dewie Bear the scary thing is there are still people who have not got the message about safe sex in general. The fact we have reality shows about pregnant teenagers who are treated as celebrities astonishes me and I used to live in a town that still has the highest teen pregnancy rate in Canada. <br /><br />Even in the gay community, experts are concerned that younger gay men who did not live through the worst of the AIDS epidemic are being cavalier.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17666375898375615826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-66144564273543239402013-06-05T14:59:21.300-07:002013-06-05T14:59:21.300-07:00Scott Thorston was already bailed out a few days a...Scott Thorston was already bailed out a few days ago by the owner of The Bunny Ranch or whatever place has that HBO show. Got him a laywer who I think is a big shot who represents Joe Francis. Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03460678344329825983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-39059237999441865312013-06-05T14:22:06.154-07:002013-06-05T14:22:06.154-07:00I always thought Ricky Wilson of the B-52's wa...I always thought Ricky Wilson of the B-52's was the 1st celebrity I knew of who died of AIDS. But checking Wikipedia Rock Hudson and Ricky Wilson both died the same month, Oct 1985.lazyday603https://www.blogger.com/profile/12638637774851889312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-42806861993516164632013-06-05T14:06:12.125-07:002013-06-05T14:06:12.125-07:00Sean, IV drug users are banned from donating.
And...Sean, IV drug users are banned from donating.<br /><br />And The Band Played On is an excellent movie.<br /><br />I don't think people are maliciously having unsafe sex. Most people do not think about their health or are pro-active about it unless something happens. I went for a yearly physical to be pro-active & my doctor was like what's wrong? Me: I'm being pro-active, want a yearly physical to stay on top of things. Have a referral to an exercise physiologist to see why I can't move this weight. Rang to make the appointment - what's wrong? Nothing, I am being pro-active & trying to get weight off. Medical professionals are gob smacked when you go in to try & prevent problems. How many people on CDan get a yearly physical? Ans how many of us got them in our 20s? Not me.feraltarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05806620230863318926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-79897579020304188212013-06-05T12:34:55.052-07:002013-06-05T12:34:55.052-07:00@Sean - Thanks for the info. But I'm a female...@Sean - Thanks for the info. But I'm a female and my understanding from years past is that a woman who had sex with a man who'd had sex with a man was barred from donating. <br /><br />(I know I could just Google it but the information exchange is more interesting; plus, most health-related inquiries turn up results that tell me no matter what, I'm dying of something *g*)DewieTheBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341414415082525502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-62420140624737419012013-06-05T12:30:50.867-07:002013-06-05T12:30:50.867-07:00Dewie - there is still a ban on men who have had s...Dewie - there is still a ban on men who have had sex with men (MSM) giving blood in almost every country including the USA. Canada just changed theirs to 5 years. (you can't have had MSM for 5 years). This of course is ridiculous. All blood is tested and they also have rapid testing that can give results in 20 mins. The test is good except for the 3-6 months prior to the test.<br /><br />iv drug users and any PERSON who has sexy is likely to have been exposed to HIV so either all should be banned or none.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-11063198119616284122013-06-05T12:30:23.030-07:002013-06-05T12:30:23.030-07:00Love the rob Lowe picLove the rob Lowe picfedwaymomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01701796237993964486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-91943388567872510932013-06-05T12:30:01.513-07:002013-06-05T12:30:01.513-07:00@libby you hit the nail on the head I know too man...@libby you hit the nail on the head I know too many men who STILL take chances, who are in denial about the reality, can't be bothered or get caught up in the heat of the moment. The AIDS epidemic didn't get rid of Bathouses and Glory Holes. The main portion of the population tries to play safely and most succeed but there will always be exceptions Seahorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04149903908702140150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-46231745063179418942013-06-05T12:12:55.474-07:002013-06-05T12:12:55.474-07:00@Sean,
Great timeline. I don't know if you re...@Sean,<br />Great timeline. I don't know if you remember but the freak out about Rock Hudson was major. Well, specifically, the freak out over his having kissed Linda Evans on <i>Dynasty</i> when he was sick was major - which is why I mentioned that event. I was eleven and it as an unbelievably huge media story - a man with AIDS kissed a woman, did she contract it? It was surreal times. The panic over how it could be spread is why for a very long time (I believe the policy has changed but I'm not 100% sure) one could not give blood if one had ever had sex with a man who had sex with a man. That's why I've never given blood. <br /><br />The momentum for safe sex/condom use, although it became part of government advocacy in the mid-eighties, still took a while to become common sense in the general population. We take it for granted now.<br /><br />In any event, blaming a man who died in the mid-eighties for "murdering" his lovers, especially because of what his ex-con boyfriend is saying to make a dime now, well, that's a huge stretch. <br /><br />And I'm with the others in recommending <i>And the Band Played On</i> in book or film form.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5vJa1LnSEY" rel="nofollow">Clip</a>DewieTheBearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04341414415082525502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-43735746407280790052013-06-05T11:56:52.176-07:002013-06-05T11:56:52.176-07:00My (ex) step-dad infected my mom with HIV and he, ...My (ex) step-dad infected my mom with HIV and he, at one point was very sick and had lesions all over his face - he was also battling cancer. It was pretty frightening. I was 15 when I found out, in 1996. It was still pretty taboo to talk about it at that time.<br /><br />I have no connection to my stepdad anymore, since we found out he was basically living a double life. My mom, on the other hand is doing quite well! <br /><br />Don't know why I felt like sharing that.. Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06734985765704178571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-28997939591562660342013-06-05T11:15:09.913-07:002013-06-05T11:15:09.913-07:00I love And The Band Played On, long but so well wo...I love And The Band Played On, long but so well worth the read. Just an amazing book.<br /><br />I remember sitting on the patio with my 85 year old grandmother asking what do they mean on the news when they say men are infecting men with the AIDS virus???? My mom and I looked at each other like, you want to answer???<br /><br /><br /><br />KendraWMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138806069343513201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-41402530012346466412013-06-05T11:14:26.094-07:002013-06-05T11:14:26.094-07:00I love you, too!I love you, too!greenmountaingalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00088138843065557208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-74859434269665746702013-06-05T11:13:22.903-07:002013-06-05T11:13:22.903-07:00I'm so sorry for your loss.I'm so sorry for your loss.greenmountaingalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00088138843065557208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-52451521437960774352013-06-05T11:13:09.390-07:002013-06-05T11:13:09.390-07:00Oh yes, Dennis Hof, owner of the Bunny Ranch in Re...Oh yes, Dennis Hof, owner of the Bunny Ranch in Reno got him out last week & is letting him stay at the ranch....he'll have plenty of time to take offers from the tabs now....:)HannahBananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02067392969399372924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-65269408975431290712013-06-05T10:40:23.092-07:002013-06-05T10:40:23.092-07:00greenmtngal, once again - I LOVE YOU!
"And T...greenmtngal, once again - I LOVE YOU!<br /><br />"And The Band Played On" is one of my favorite books!<br /><br />Gaetan Dugas was a prick! Patient ZERO- wnet around infecting so many people, even after he was told he was spreading the virus!parissucksliterallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15627920960610906753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-80654422140918240552013-06-05T10:22:55.260-07:002013-06-05T10:22:55.260-07:00I just had a feeling thorson was going to do this....I just had a feeling thorson was going to do this. He is broke & ill. I'm sure he will be giving tabloids stories to the end. I don't think Liberace ever really thought about it. He was obviously a very selfish individual. 50 yr olds that like 17 yr olds often are, no matter the sexual orientation. HannahBananahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02067392969399372924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-53842458895711405262013-06-05T10:01:48.232-07:002013-06-05T10:01:48.232-07:00It seems unlikely that Liberace was the only perso...It seems unlikely that Liberace was the only person with whom these men had unprotected sex. How can Thorson be sure they caught it from him?paulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15135141145497418574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37309174.post-70419780865472846292013-06-05T09:43:55.004-07:002013-06-05T09:43:55.004-07:00And GreenMtgal..I lost my uncle to the disease als...And GreenMtgal..I lost my uncle to the disease also. He too lived in NYC. It seemed so visible in large metropolitan areas. I have his picture in my office and look at him often. He was just gorgeous. Sherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16510274176187658301noreply@blogger.com