I think people are putting way too much faith in this alliterate producer to change a many decades old formula for this franchise. It took a decade of arguing back and forth at the production company about whether to have a person of color be a recurring role. So, to change the sex of the lead would probably take two more decades of arguing.
Doesn't Cubby Broccoli produce James Bond?
ReplyDeleteCubby Broccoli died more than 20 years ago.
DeleteI'm pretty retarded, can someone here explain Mr. Hedge defending Cernovich defending Dershowitz defending himself and Epstein? Seems to be at cross purposes.
ReplyDeleteBarbara Broccoli?
ReplyDeleteCould be her
ReplyDeleteCarlton Cuse?
ReplyDeleteHe’s producing Jack Ryan on TV(sounds like tv because of reoccurring role)..
DeleteIs this the James Bond thing? I’d love to see it.
ReplyDeleteDershowitz was the guy who fought to have this information about Epstein released. It's very, very, unlikely that dershowitz would've fought so hard for something that would incriminate him.
ReplyDeleteIt's been a long time since someone has lied to me in such a flagrant manner on CDAN!
DeleteDershowitz is his defender....
DeleteI think it is the jaames bond thing. She is not 007 but a different number, leaving the door open for a male 007
ReplyDeleteA female James Bond would crash quicker than the Zimbabwean dollar.
ReplyDeleteSorry if that's unpalatable but it's true. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. No one is going to fuck up a money machine no matter how much virtue they want to signal.
See 2016 Ghostbusters
DeleteI got the impression that this Bond instalment was having terrible script problems.
ReplyDeleteReassigning 007 to Lashana Lynch seems like it was a Hail Mary pass.
Anyway, why Lashana? She has a thin resume and doesn't have any special beauty or charisma that I can see. There are several Black actresses who would have been more interesting candidates for a female Bond.
Oh HELL YES give us a black female bond!
ReplyDeleteBe still my heart. Lovvvvve this
Jane Bond? Would be a bigger bust than the female version of Ghostbusters.
ReplyDeleteI am a woman and truthfully, it is sexist to me that Hollywood cannot come up with woman heroines. There are tons of ideas. I grew up on Buffy/ Angel so this not having woman superhero is BS. There were so many strong men and women and that show it Is baffling that all of Hollywood virtue signals that Hollywood has never had woman hero before. NOT. TRUE.
I still want Cavill for James Bond though and he is the perfect age. <3
Lashana Lynch, a British actress of Afro Caribbean descent is rumoured to be the next 007, with Daniel Craig as Bond in retirement called in to help, if they want to have a woman as 007, that’s one thing but to have to get a man to help the little lady to do her job, jeez what is this, the 1950s? If a female lead has even a fraction of the romantic liaisons Bond has had through his films, with the double standards still around today, she’ll come across as a bit of a slag. Maybe they’ll give her a house husband eg the much older James Bond. They should have replaced Craig with Idris Elba. Barbara Broccoli for the Director and James Bond for the franchise
ReplyDeleteDud. I wont see it.
DeleteOn a side note, I can't wait to see Neil Patrick Harris starring in the title role of the Rosa Parks Story.
ReplyDeleteSo not a female James Bond but a different agent using the double 0 7?
ReplyDeleteYeah, that might work.
Better solution would be to write appealing and interesting roles for women. Not sure what prevents that from happening more often.
ReplyDeleteWhy can’t James Bond just be a straight, white, (preferably Scottish ;p), man? What’s so wrong with that?
ReplyDeleteIf people are clamouring for a movie about a female spy, whatever the colour or sexual orientation, then they should go ahead and make one.
Why must they insist on fucking with “James Bond”?
You're not talking about changing "the formula for the franchise," you're talking about completely replacing the main character that IS the franchise. Want a badass female spy franchise? Write a new one, with a new character that has her own distinct style and personality.
ReplyDeleteShe is not the next James Bond but an agent with the same numbers,007.
ReplyDeleteIf she ever does a 007 movie I would watch.
A sexist James Bond might earn the right to stay on our private media server.
ReplyDeleteThe Bull Dyke version will be on the public bootleg channels.
Something to do with the customer base and how right wingers can meme the shit out of it.
This "female 007" is just a plot device to get James Bond out of retirement. It would be nice if people did a teeny bit of research before making assumptions.
ReplyDeleteTown Pump - Because every attempt at creating a female action hero has essentially failed at producing a marketable franchise... just like the 007 series will fail if they try this bait and switch SJW little mermaid crap. Even masculine male actors caught hell for each new Bond. You have to understand MEN first.
ReplyDeleteWhy can't women have a badass La Femme Nikita movie heroine?
ReplyDeleteWe could have a multiple movie franchise with a smart, sexy, capable heroine who cracks baller jokes and gets into and out of exciting situations.
But no.
Reading above we can see the education level this idea appeals to. Rock-bottom.
ReplyDeleteShoehorning broads into male roles is such pandering garbage. Write new & original content of quality for broads. That is when equality comes around.
ReplyDeleteEstrogen+ 007 or Ghostbusters just shows you only care about creating buzz around a dead property owned by your company. Its like when a pornwhore starts doing trannies to get the last dead cat bounce before motel room hooking to support her addiction.
Fuck all this PC shit.james bond is a white gentile Brit. Ariel is a porcelain white red head. Pocahontas is a Native American. Let’s see the uproar if we try to cast any white person in an ethnic role. Riots in the streets. Stop the world I want to get off.
ReplyDeleteFuck all this PC shit.james bond is a white gentile Brit. Ariel is a porcelain white red head. Pocahontas is a Native American. Let’s see the uproar if we try to cast any white person in an ethnic role. Riots in the streets. Stop the world I want to get off.
ReplyDeleteA sexy black man as 007. I would love it. A woman?
ReplyDeleteNo Thanks! Bond is a male character.
I mean what’s next? A black male Wonder Woman?
Why not a young, smart, tech savy female 008 that doesn't get killed in the first scene and doesn't bed Bond as a fool to aging old school 007. Keep 007 close to the original.
ReplyDeleteOr write/adapt another series of spy novels.
Ghostbusters 2016 was quite fun, with a very talented cast. It was pure sexism that hurt it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info, Gen-z99. I'm sure all Hollywood producers are eager to make their casting decisions based on your (racist) sexual preferences.
ReplyDeleteGen-z99 is buddies with VikingSong. Race-fixated.
ReplyDeleteMy point is this - Don't f*ck with the original writing of any story. If you demand diversity... write new characters. Problem solved. Just because the attempts at creating LEADING women action heroes, arguably besides Agatha Christy, Nancy Drew and Lara Croft, none of the WRITING has been compelling enough to create LASTING franchises on the level of Bond, and most super heroes from Comic book history. Much like the redheaded mermaid, when I was a TOEHEAD kid in the 1970s, I also felt like a total minority... my favorite hero was AQUAMAN, because he kind of looked like me. I love Jason M. But he's way better looking than me.
ReplyDeleteI actually wanted Ghostbusters to be good. I thought it was depressingly boring. I hated Wonderwoman. I’m probably not the target audience though. I like sci-fi, horror, and war movies with the occasional action flick thrown in. You know what genre actually has pretty good representation w/r/t female leads? Horror movies. Not saying some aren’t problematic, and yeah the budgets aren’t always there, but I like some horror movies for that reason.
ReplyDeleteAnd what’s with the intermittent modding? It off this a.m.
ReplyDeleteBarbara Broccoli, Bond Franchise
ReplyDeleteI hope The Little Mermaid fails based on this same premise. I was a red head as a kid and got picked on for it (I love it even though I am auburn now LOL). Natural red heads make up such a small percentage of the population but they had to recreate the character? We are a dying breed FFS lol
ReplyDeleteLet's see Disney remake Moana, Mulan, Pocahontas, Lilo and the Princess and the Frog with a white person and see how people explode. It kills me because when I grew up I was never focused on the race. I LOVED all Disney movies no matter what color. And, want another black, Asian, Hispanic, LGBT whatever princess: CREATE IT. I would say the population is starved for new and creative movies.
Same with James Bond....the character was created to be a white, heterosexual man who was rootless and bedded women. That is the character. Don't like it. CREATE Hollywood. You are in the CREATIVE business.
The truth though: Hollywood just wants to make money on established characters and brands. Pathetic. :/
Idris and his fabulous looking package would have me and my movie going pals enthralled for several hours.
ReplyDeleteI like this “spicy white.” No Italians. They get too much attention already. How about an albanian with a good blood feud going on in his/her past, or a Canadian playing against type as a reformed (insert bad guy thing here) drafted into MI6 for (insert relevant specialized skill set from prior life here). There. Wrote your script. Option it.
ReplyDeleteI think young Rnee Russo would have been a great female Bond. Halle is not an actress to me not a fan. I guess I see her crazy.
ReplyDeleteAssuming it’s the James Bind idea, Iain Fleming is turning over in his grave.
ReplyDeleteI think the obvious choice is Rachel Weisz.
ReplyDeleteGenz - so, create the content, I'd like to see those too.
ReplyDeletePeople don't have to go to Hollywood or the networks any more. Use the internet.
Just make it Moneypenny as the new main focus. Easy. The tension is that she is trained as a desk agent, not a full field agent, and she is thrust into a wild adventure she is only half prepared for.
ReplyDeleteI read somewhere, I don't remember where, but that the OSS (precursor of the CIA), trained their women to promise sex, but never ever follow through. That it was the chase that kept the marks/informants engaged. Also, that the women had so many informants on their hook, that if they did have sex, it would take too much of the agent's time. So a film with a female lead, if they wanted to, has a basis for non-slutish behaviour.
Just a couple of thoughts.
For a new franchise, how about a gov't sponsored undercover instagram model/entertainer/yachter, whose target is the Middle East, plus Malaysia, etc? It would have a basis in reality, and give an opportunity for multiple sets of bikinis and "exotic" locales.
ReplyDeleteHow about an MI-6 agent assigned to infiltrate the highest echelons of society by posing as a yachter to the Mideast and such, but they need her to go deeper under cover so in the name of national security HRH steps in and agrees to marry the agent and serve as her escort? Wedding said and done, she likes it on Easy Street and starts to pack it on. Quick cover story with an archificial baby to explain that weight gain and, oh wait.....
ReplyDeleteOkay as a woman who has seen most Bond movies, I have to say that it's time for a similar role being made for a woman but not Bond. Like seriously
ReplyDeleteI was interested before Spectre came out. James Bond is dead to me.
ReplyDeleteI got a good vehicle for an actress. Very real & gritty. A margo robbie type, in a medium sized galley kitchen, struggling to cope with a particularly vicious clapback whoopi laid on joy, while scrambling some eggs and trying to decide what ailment to cop to, so she can have a yoga pants, couch & blanket day instead of cleaning & cooking dinner.
ReplyDeleteThe changing of 007 to a woman us just one more nail in the toxic masculinity coffin for hollywood and its nutjobs.
ReplyDeleteThe goal is to minimize if not eradicate the male from society. Is it fear..or sonething else? I do not enjoy movies or shows where the lead should be a strong male but for SJWs the lead has been changed to female. No reason we cant have strong female characters...NEW...except Hollywood lacks imagination and inspiration and TALENT!!!
I'm a woman, I find this insulting. Of course somebody like Rosie would love it: it's gimmicky, lazy and appeals to the lowest common denominator of intelligence. It's insulting frankly.
ReplyDeleteIf women are 'more equal' to men nowadays, why hasn't a single Hollywood female written something parallel to James Bond yet? Why basically 'steal' the franchise away, instead of creating your own?
Oceans 13, Ghostbusters, stupid never learns. The PC crowd is nothing but consistent in always betting on the loser *cough cough*. At very least, they are gloriously predictable.
oh look it's gen-z99 and his mouth frothing liberal rants again. Obsessed with skin colour, nuances of skin colour, saturation of skin colour and depth of skin colour.
ReplyDeleteNothing racist about it whatsoever.....
Actually I read her responses as arguing for an increased recognition of diversity of white ethnicity, which I myself can get behind, as well as an expansion of whiteness to include white-identifying mixed-raced peoples, which, sure, come on in. I missed the rascism I guess.
DeleteCurious- does enty only pay to mod certain high traffic times?
ReplyDeletenothing more racist that a conservative. liberals love diversity....you are fooling no one
ReplyDeleteFor all those who have their knickers in a knot over The Little Mermaid......you do realize she was GREEN (the colour of a rose leaf) and had dark tresses in the original Hans Christian Anderson story, not to mention the fact that she had no name, while her prince charming was a total arse, never looked like being in love with her and treated her like a quaint pet/slave, she died in the end as her prince married his waspish human love, she was then condemned to 1,000years of doing good deeds as a ghost in order to gain a soul because she lost her mermaid soul when she changed into a human.
ReplyDeleteThey don't write 'em like they used to.
I think Barbara Broccoli is the one who needs replacing.
liberals love diversity so much, they particularly love Muslims, who have less than 99.8% of diversity in there countries.....
ReplyDeleteliberals love diversity so much, they are obsessed with race and ethnicity and see nothing else, and judge people by the colour of their skin and not the content of their character...
liberals love diversity so much, they actively encourage Black Africans to stay put in their ghettos....
liberals love diversity so much, they threaten, insult, smear and persecuted anyone who has a diverse opinion from them....
liberals love diversity so much, rather than appreciate hard working immigrants who came to this country legally, they prefer to shit and spit on them by letting in millions of illegals who will financially undercut them in any job - a.k.a. slavery....
liberals love diversity so much....
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@iowahawkblog
1. Identify a respected institution.
2. kill it.
3. gut it.
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.
The key to understanding this is that the objective here isn't to create a female heroine, it is to destroy James Bond.
"not a libtard" - did you have extra caffeine this morning? You're on quite a tear...
ReplyDeleteAs for James Bond - oh the hand wringing! It's "female Thor" all over again. THe world will continue to spin if we get a Jane Bond, which...we won't.
ReplyDeleteAnd who cares? It's an anachronism.
Hollywood will do what they think will profit them the most.
"Oh HELL YES give us a black female bond!
Be still my heart. Lovvvvve this"
Pam Grier is still around. I say write a series especially for her - but whoever does it, consult with her while writing. I don't think anyone's written all that she can do, yet.
NotaLibtard the type of woman who claims to not have any female friends because "women are so catty and shady" and says it in a completely unironic way.
ReplyDeleteIt's never too late to look in the mirror and change the bitter, hateful hag that you see.
#BestOfluck
right on Rosie!! generalizing a group of people like this makes her look as stupid as that Gen idiot.
DeleteBarbara Broccoli, Bond Franchise, character they allowed to be played by a black actor is Felix Leiter now played by Jeffrey Wright.
ReplyDeletehey rosie, I have female friends, why are you making up shite?
ReplyDeleteIt's just my female friends are better than yours. You wouldn't like them at all. They all have jobs and IQ's higher than dishwater.
Not a feminist here......never cared for women taking men's roles. BUT...one of the main characters in Yellowstone is a woman who enjoys taking people down just with her mouth..(words) Most are men because she lives in a man's world....Best series I have watched in forever....not for everybody but loved cowboy movies growing up. What I find odd in modern day movies, why so many remakes? (A) No more writers? (B) those who produce TV and movie scripts are a closed group and do not welcome outsiders ? (C) Both?
ReplyDeleteThere are writers molly, the problem is, the money folks/folks who hire either don't know or don't care which are talented. A lot of the profits are made overseas, and the product dubbed anyway; what sells easiest are high production value, big bang action movies. Nothing subtle about that.
ReplyDeleteThey just really don't care and even when they try to care, they wouldn't know what most people out there value or wish to see.
I also wonder if the upsurge in coke use has anything to do with the huge dip in quality. Kind of like the last time coke was super popular in Hollywood, to the point people had huge bowls of it sitting out. I think that affects people's judgment.
Rosie + 1
Can someone tell omfg that white people get cast in ethnic roles all the time??? It's called whitewashing, and it happens ALL. THE. TIME. Emma Stone as an Asian character in Aloha. ScarJo in Ghost in the Shell. Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Good Lord, do your homework. It's only been recently that Hollywood is willing to actually cast an ethnic person in an ethnic role. Even in Crazy Rich Asians, Jon Chu was encouraged to make Rachel a white woman.
ReplyDeleteHaven't seen "Aloha" or "Ghost in the Shell," but Rooney in "Breakfast at Tiffany's" was horrible, and ruined the movie. Bruce Lee was disgusted...he saw it with his later-wife before he was famous.
ReplyDeleteIt reflects whoever made the film. And they presume society will be OK with it.
On the one hand, actors act...but on the other hand...give everybody a chance. (And outright racist caricatures like Mr. Yunioshi in Breakfast at Tiffany's never need to happen.)
With all the fuss about Hollywood So White recently, what has that same org. or Hollywood done to promote people of color or mentor kids with talent? Any film deals on The Rez? Or film schools? Hollywood is full of hot air. And they have the power and money to change things.
They have a point but yelling at the poor shlub wanting to buy a ticket to get a couple hours' escapism once a week is hypocritical and abusive and pointless. The audience isn't responsible, Hollywood: YOU ARE.
SonorSalsa the opposite used to happen too (I dunno about today or not) -- for instance Merle Oberon had to hide that her mother was Indian (from India) if she wanted to work/be a name/be a star and get those leading roles, especially romantic ones.
ReplyDeleteIt's all so stupid.
It isn't only the U.S. market where movie makers think people will prefer 'white skin' btw, but a lot of countries have racist or colorist preferences. Skin bleaching creme still sells in some parts of the world.
ReplyDeleteYeah, like the US.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/28/health/skin-lightening-glutathione-bleaching.html
"It isn't only the U.S. market"
ReplyDeleteBut that creme likely sells to people who've recently moved here. They bring their culture with them, always have.
People forget or don't realize the U. S. is enormous and it really is multi cultural and diverse. We're also made up of people from all over the world, and the value attached to assimilation has been diminishing for generations.
When people say "why doesn't the U. S." whatever is being discussed, it's like asking "why doesn't Europe" -- one state in the U. S. is about the size of most countries there. It's surely a lot easier to get a (socially not ethnically) homogenous, peaceable, balanced society when it's that tiny to begin with.
But I'm not sure why you pointed out that thing about the creme when I was already implicitly saying colorism exists in the U. S.
My point was it does not ONLY exit in the U. S. and it isn't dependent on a 'white majority' population in any country to exist, either. The context was when movies are cast in the U. S. they're taking the global market into account also.
Barbara Broccoli
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