Thursday, August 02, 2012

Win Gold Medal In China Before Learning Bad News


Wu Minxia won the gold medal in diving for China. After she won the gold medal she was told by her parents that Wu's grandmother had died a year ago and that Wu's mother has breast cancer. They had been forbidden to tell her either of those things during the last year of her training and were not allowed to reveal it until after the Olympic event. I think that says a lot about how isolated these athletes are from China and how it seems to be the only thing that matters is winning no matter the cost. That should not be what athletics is about. I think one of the greatest parts about sports is seeing people achieve tremendous results while dealing with some kind of personal adversity. Listening to those stories or seeing those interviews are some of the best parts of the Olympics. I don't think anyone is a fan of robots or people or countries who put wins above everything else.

182 comments:

smashbash said...

So so sad. China is one fucked up place and makes America look like candyland.

OT-
Hey amber! Missed your comments yesterday. You work in a vets office, maybe I'm wrong? How is the animal world?

AuntJess said...

Wow that's uhh...pretty fuckin crazy to me.

IDoTheRobot said...

That's just pure cold blooded.

EmEyeKay said...

WHAT?!

MISCH said...

Awful..

CarmeliteLady said...

I agree with Enty about part of what's interesting is seeing what they've been through, winning after going through the normal ups and downs of life, the human experience. Sheltering someone and training them in an artificial atmosphere seems like treating them as if they're animals, not human beings. China's a real piece of work, the more I hear about that country the less I like it.

Vicki Cupper said...

Not surprising. I feel for the girl and her family.

goheels83 said...

Shocker. Gotta love the CCP.

Vicki Cupper said...

So are the medals made by Lindt? What's the deal with everybody biting them?

pilly said...

Horrible!!!

There was an article in the Daily Mail yesterday about the Extremes of the training those children undergo

Lauren said...

I would understand if the death or cancer diagnosis was the week or day before the competition but a year??? Surely she could get upset and still move on in time for the Olympics. That is just crazy and sad.

smashbash said...

Ugggh. I know! it's stupied as hell looking. Their trying to do the look it's real gold if I bite it shtick.

Buts it's not even gold! It's 92.5% silver 6.16% copper and only 1.34% gold.

supapimp said...

Duh! Tiger mum.

katsm0711 said...

Same as @Lauren. I was fine with it, realizing that the athletes train their entire lives for this one shot at gold and if I was the athlete I don't think I'd want to know either. Learning that it was a whole year, and just having learned that exceptional Chinese athletes are taken from their families by force just is horrible. I wonder if they would even have had contact in that year since grandma passed anyways?

janele said...

There was another article within the past few months of a student who was not told of the recent death of his mother until after he took his university entrance exams.

Everyone from the hospital to the police to the school wanted to protect him from distractions, so they all agreed not to tell him:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/pictures/student-learns-mother-died-only-after-finishing-gaokao-exam.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

g.strathmore said...

Poor young woman. I feel so bad for her.

katsm0711 said...

China just doesn't care about their citizens at all. I'm sure they have some benefit over others but my god I'm glad to live where I do.

katsm0711 said...

Even if it means having to check all labels before I buy anything that says "made in china" bc I don't want to eat lead or asbestos or pay a child pennies to sew my clothing.

camembert said...

A whole year? That's kind of overkill. But it is China.

At the same time, I can relate to this thinking. At the end of my second year of college, on the day before my last final, I got a call from relatives asking if I was going to see my dad in the hospital following some surgery. I had no idea what they were talking about, so when I called my mom she admitted that dad didn't want to distract me from studying for finals.

To be honest, I wasn't upset with my parents' reasoning, although I think even if I had known I would not have been distracted, however I hated being caught off guard by my relatives. They made it sound so serious when it turned out to be not a huge deal.

SusanB said...

Reminds me of the East Germans during the 1960s and 70s.

Remember yesterday when we talked about the US taxing the Olympic awards? I read Senator Rubio has introduced a bill to make these awards tax-exempt. Hopefully retroactive to this year.

Vicki Cupper said...

ITA @Kats. When I lived in Korea people constantly asked me when I going to China for vacay. Fucking why? They charge Americans almost double for a tourist visa than they do everybody else. Fuck them and the rice they rode in on.

Rickatoo said...

Most of these athletes all around the world are removed from any contact with their families and sent away to training camps for years with little contact

katsm0711 said...

Ewww they charge us more???? Fuck that we already bankroll their entire country!

rhinovodka said...

So glad I don't live in China.

donner said...

did ya'll watch the Beijing Games? They showed how some of these guys haven't been home except for 1 day in the past year. Others, after failing to win a medal, are kicked out of their government houses and are living in squalor with barely a roof or a tiny hot plate to cook on. The pressure to medal is ridiculously huge. Like nearly life and death huge.

B. Profane said...

"Ewww they charge us more???? Fuck that we already bankroll their entire country!"

Er, no, they bankroll us, the US.

Hazeldazel said...

And get this - the mom was only allowed to tell her about the breast cancer because she had gone into remission. FUCKED UP!

Oh and another thing, China's national newspaper only celebrates the gold medal winners, not the silver and bronze. >:(

So... yeah, u suck China. But thanks muchly for buying all our debt!

jennifer hansen said...

i read on yahoo yesterday that both her grandparents had died :/

Patty said...

And when we suspected performance enhancing drugs for that 16 year old Chinese swimmer we were accused of racism. Well, there is a reason some of us think ill of China when it comes to "fair" competition. This is one of those reasons.

mngddess said...

Sorry, but that's f-d up. Maybe she wanted to say goodbye to her grandparents? And they take the kids away at 6 to live at a training facility.

And I think the Chinese have found a way to blood dope that's not detectable to tests. JMO.

HannahPalindrome said...

Who the Fuck do you people think you are?
You're going to assume that an entire race acts a certain way because of their race?

Fucking racist comments and ENTY...shame on you!

I love how it's do easy to write racists comments cause you're anonymous on this site.

Fuck you Vicki! Your racist comments don't surprise me since you've made them before in the past!
You fucking fat racist cunt!

katsm0711 said...

Oh dear. Another bleeding heart not looking at facts.

katsm0711 said...

Vicki, you are racist for stating a fact about being charged more for a Visa. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Vicki Cupper said...

Yawn. Don't fucking like it, don't fucking read it.

I lived in Asia, you worthless whore. I know what it's like over there.

Erin said...

I just can't fathom that way of life. What happens to her once she's too old to compete? Does she get to have a life then?

party supplies said...

Apperently most of you are completely unaware that China and most of Asia have a very different value system then the west. I have been to China and the people are a product of there culture as much as anyone else

HannahPalindrome said...

Bleeding heart?
I'm Asian! I'm Korean!
I'm a liberal democrat!
I'm a New Yorker!

Go back to your trailer sweetie...
China doesn't need your business.
You are a fucking racist with 80's hair...

billybob said...

Cruel bastards, China.

HannahPalindrome said...

Prostitution doesn't count you fucking cunt

katsm0711 said...

Try acupuncture to calm you down ;)

HannahPalindrome said...

Lol!
I noticed what you do for a living, so I'm not surprised by your comments.

Trailer park trash

debaustin said...

Yes.....But our Great country the USA....puts money ahead of their pride....they are so excited that the athletes win medals....and why..... because they get to tax them for it......this is not fair....there no reason to tax our athletes just because they won a medal......what about all the money they spent to become as good as they are.....do they get a tax break for that.....there are not that many medals that the USA can go with out taxing this .......it is not going to break the bank......note the politicians.....they can break the bank....look at all the ways they cheat on their taxes......how dare they tax these kids that work so hard to make this country proud......SHAME on the USA......:(

HannahPalindrome said...

It's the year 2012 sweetie...

Your hair, nails, and glamour shot amuse me.
Thanks for the laugh.

You're a better person than Vicki who is a fat man.

katsm0711 said...

I don't live in a trailer park. What gave you that idea? I've never even stepped foot on one. Now who's being racist? Is that me in the picture? If you think we are being racists don't stoop to our level or you become as horrible as us. Seriously, your anger is scary and I hope you're just having a bad day.

HannahPalindrome said...

I'm having a great day you ignorant moron.

RenoBlondee said...

What a day for her! An all time high for winning gold and then boom, terrible news. That sucks!

Carrie L. said...

I saw an article yesterday about a Chinese training camp where a grown man was standing on a five year old girl's leg with tears streaming down her face. What that had to do with teaching her to become a gold medal gymnast, I have no idea. It was disturbing...to say the least. I hope her mother is going to be ok.

HannahPalindrome said...

It's the year 2012 sweetie...

Your hair, nails, and glamour shot amuse me.
Thanks for the laugh.

You're a better person than Vicki who is a fat man.

HannahPalindrome said...

Bleeding heart?
I'm Asian! I'm Korean!
I'm a liberal democrat!
I'm a New Yorker!

Go back to your trailer sweetie...
China doesn't need your business.
You are a fucking racist with 80's hair...

Ash said...

Didn't know that pointing out the comment "and the rice they rode in on" and other ignorant comments made in the past makes someone a bleeding heart. It's also interesting that some posters here believe that they can make ignorant comments (possibly out of the belief that there are no poc here) and not be called on it.

katsm0711 said...

My pic is from www.awkwardfamilypetphotos.com I thought it was funny. I will continue to not buy anything made in China. I hope that pleases you.

smashbash said...

Step off hoe. Money has nothing to do with race. My grandparents just went with me to Canada and wouldn't stop complaining about how over priced everything was and how the exchange rate sucks. I guess they are racist against Canadians.

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Ingrid Superstar said...

I think if you asked me, 9 times out of 10 I'd rather have a gold foil covered chocolate medal than an actual gold medal.

Kaizer... said...

Wow this thread went bad fast.

Denise said...

"hoe" lol

Wendy Rene said...

@mngddess -- I was saying the same thing to my mom when the Chinese were synchronize diving!! I think they've developed an enhancement drug that flies under the radar of these drug tests "undetectable."

smashbash said...

I was trying to rake the coals out.

Linnea said...

Kaizer - yeah, pretty surprised.

Ingrid, I'm with you. After having worked that hard
I'd like a treat ASAP!

luckylass said...

Hey Hannah. I understand what you are saying. If you are still reading this thread, try to calm down, as you are obviously very upset. I think most of the commenters just empathize with the Chinese Olympians and their families.

JohnMolloy said...

Yeah, those cheating foreigners with their doping!!!

Anyone for baseball? Oh...

auntliddy said...

Mng!!!! I said the same thing about chinese doping yesterday!!!!!

old ;ady said...

For years I had thought that this Blog and comments section were for personnel opinions. And as we have the first amendment we are all entitled to say what we want. I thought there was a tact agreement no attacks on a person who comments to the extreme that there are being taken today. As a person of color, I thought we were a little above that crap. @HannahPalindrome, there are better ways to express your feelings. Perhaps some Medication is needed. I have always found @VickiCupper to be one of the funniest commenters, I haave ever read. But then maybe I am older then 12 and have gone beyond the name calling "Mean Girl" stage.

Linnea said...

I agree. The name calling doesn't belong here.

Layna Day said...

*Walks in, reads thread*

*Walks right back out*

JohnMolloy said...

The name calling is pretty terrible alright but Vicki's comment 'fuck them and the rice they rode in on' is pretty damn xenophobic in my book.

She has every right to say what she wants but everyone else also has the right to criticize her for it too (but the tone of HannahPalindrome is way too much.)

HannahPalindrome said...

Fuck you!

Katsm- okay. You're not a racist. You're ignorant. Dumb. An idiot.

katsm0711 said...

Thanks Hannah!

DianaofThemyscira said...

Sick but not surprising. It's too bad that stories like this make it seem like the Chinese are a cold people when they're really not at all given the chance to live their lives in total freedom.

Ash said...

@old;ady - Actually the First Amendment doesn't guarantee free speech in every venue. Websites can facilitate a free speech zone at their discretion or not. I find it funny when people feel they can make any comment they wish, but not be challenged on them, which would also fall under the 1st amendment protections you speak of.

Could HP have made better choices in the way she addressed VC? Of course, but she doesn't have to. YOU may find VC a delightful poster, but others here may not.

Ashlea said...

Butthurt. Butthurt everywhere in this thread. Unbelievable.

Frufra said...

As a crunchy granola-type mom, watching the Olympics is kind of bumming me out this year. All of these Olympian kids have sacrificed so much of their childhood to achieve athletic success. Obviously, there is a much more extreme system in place in China, but kids here give their heart and soul to their sport. I'm just not sure that's healthy.

I mean, when their Olympic career is over, will they be able to say it was worth it? Will they be able to go on and have happy, productive lives? I'd like to know how past Olympians have fared.

Mr. Frufra and I are having a hard time watching these young'uns be so stressed out. We want them to come hang out at Casa de Frufra, eat a few cookies, play video games, and just chillax.

HannahPalindrome said...

I don't care if you criticize her parents or coach, but the minute you bad mouth an entire country makes you an ignorant racist!

I think it's interesting how easy it is for the fucking assholes who make the comments, and the people who think its funny would never make the same comment about a black person.

It's always easier to make fun of Asians, but the same assholes would never say the "N" word or rant about black people. Happens all the fucking time.

If this was about stereotypes about black people, a majority of you would never make such dumb comments.

Fucking losers

DueDiligence said...

Yet some folks refuse to believe that the Chinese officials might go so far as to give these athletes performance enhancing drugs on the sly.

Amazing.

DianaofThemyscira said...

I can't believe the amount of racism that is expressed on this site as o late. Feel free to be a cowardly bigot hiding behind your computer screen, I'm sure that's what everyone who has ever fought and died for this country intended.

HannahPalindrome said...

Lol! The next time that ignorant thing makes a racist comment about any race...I will ignore it or tell everyone to chill out.

It's best just to roll with it...it's good to let people make racist/ignorant comments.

I love adults who bully or think its fun!

dia papaya said...

Oh my! I missed the fight.

I studied Chinese Medicine in Nanjing, China. I loved being there. I worked in two different hospitals and was very impressed with everyone.

My experience was really positive. The people are lovely. We have to remember that the Chinese people are not their government. Don't be surprised if China has another uprising at some point.

lazyday603 said...

I was watching the gymnastics individual all around this morning (no spoilers) and a Chinese gymnast started her floor routine. They said she had been part of the Chinese gold medal winning team in 2008. She looked about 14 today. Which would be about right. That 2008 Chinese team average age was about 10.

Idiot Watcher said...

Hannah, mocking her hair was really uncalled for. You're such a folliclist.

dia papaya said...

The way they use Chinese herbal medicine is amazing. They give IV formulas for cancer treatment! And that stuff works. Wouldn't be surprised if they figured out a way to enhance their athletes.

Mama Frufra, I need a cookie. Can I come over? And get a hug too?

old ;ady said...

@Hannah, as a Black person, yes I have more then the 1 drop that some states define race. I don't have a problem with her comments. So, attack me I don't care. I have been on the receiving end of things you would still be crying about, 20 years later. I had to take my Daughter off life support, yesterday. 27 yrs. old. She volunteered at animal shelters, worked with disabled children, raised money for Breast Cancer, shoveled sidewalks for eldery neighbors and told me every day she loved me. In HS she was called "Halfy" and the N word. We donated every thing and bc of her the transplant people said over 50 people would benefit. So the worst that could happen to me did. You and your friends can sit up all night thinking of ways to call me racist and it does not matter. You do not matter, your uncalled for rant (resorting to name calling) is about as meaningful to me as some water I might step in. Mentioning Asians and rice is bland. The world is pretty meaningless when my Daughter who did good every day is dead and you find it necessary to go off on a rant about something so trite. Try living in a world where you are called the "N" word every day, refused service, pulled over by the police for driving while black, threatened by your neighbors that they are going to burn your house down. If it was only someone saying "You know they eat chicken & watermelon". I do not feel (having been on the receiving end) that Vicki's comments deserved the reaction and name calling. But, then I will take my dark skinned kinky haired self and go sit in the corner. The next time someone calls me the "N" word I will shrug it off at least it wasn't a rice comment.

AKM said...

Yeah, I want hugs and cookies at Mama Frufra's house, too. I always think that we have a lot in common. As a wise man once said, "I wanna party with you, cowboy." Or...cowgirl, in this case.

So, dia papaya and I will be over really soon, m'kay?! I like oatmeal raisin, if you take requests.

This thread makes me kind of sad today.

Sunny said...

While I was running on the treadmill at the gym today, Fox News put up a graphic of events that used to be in the Old Timey Olympics but were phased out. One of them was city planning, another one was Motor Boating. I shit you not. And since my sense of humor never made it past the 3rd grade, I could not stop laughing and kept giving my surrounding gymgoers the eyes to look at the screen and have a laugh with me. NOBODY else thought this was funny and just left me twisting in the wind. And then THAT made me laugh too because I'm the most immature fool on the planet. Still laugh when people say "Well I do do that". Doo doo!

Tippity tap tippity tap tap tap

AKM said...

Oh, old ;ady, I am so very sorry for your loss. Your daughter sounds like she was a beautiful person. Hugs and prayers (if I may) to you today.

Sunny said...

Old 'ady
What????? I am so sad to hear about your daughter. I remember you saying you had to administer CPR to her recently, but I didn't know she had health problems. Oh Jesus, my heart goes out to you. I know I have said this to you before, but you have been through enough shit for a dozen people. My most deepest deepest condolences. I'm so sorry

Idiot Watcher said...

old ;ady, thanks for giving this thread some perspective, and i am so incredibly sorry for your loss.

seaward said...

Omg I love how quickly this turned into a "you cunt!" "You whore!" thread.

katsm0711 said...

@old your amazing daughter saved 50 families. She and your strong difficult choice. I am so sorry for your loss. Thank you for making such a kind decision that will allow her to live on.

seaward said...

Old ;ady, I am so sorry about your daughter. I am keeping you and your family in my thoughts, will light a candle for your daughter tonight <3

Sunny said...

@old'ady
Can I ask what your first name is? I hope anyone still reading this thread will say a prayer, do a meditation or send some positive thought to our friend who is obviously in pain.
Sending love your way xo

selenakyle said...

This is no longer the same happy-go-lucky CDAN I stumbled upon back in 2006.

@ old ;ady--I am so, so sorry to hear of your terrible loss. May God bless you and your family.

Mooshki said...

Layna Day: Amen.

Hannah may have overreacted a bit, but there is a lot of disgusting racism/xenophobia going on in here. If you can't tell the difference between criticizing a country's policies and making stereotypical generalizations about their people, it's time to educate yourself. Vicki, you know I think you're a hoot most of the time, but that "rice" comment was bad. :(

MK said...

I'm confused because some stories say it was the government while others say it was the parents' decision, but if it was the parents' decision, it is probably due to cultural differences. In Asia, it is all about being conscious of your actions and how they affect the people around you. It's common to keep hardships and problems to yourself so as not to "burden" your family, friends, or people around you (financial, health issues, etc). I'm sure she wanted to know, but a lot of times, Asians keep things to themselves because it is seen as being caring by not stressing out or worrying someone with your problem. (In dramas they always show the girl not telling her lover that she has cancer because she loves him and doesn't want to make him feel guilty, worried, or obligated to stay with her. Maybe that's a silly example lol.)From my experience with the culture it USUALLY doesn't have anything to do with selfish needs or competition. So I would hope that the parents did this because they didn't want to burden her and worry her.

However, if it was the Chinese government that didn't allow them to tell the daughter, I have nothing supportive to say about that at all.

feraltart said...

old ;ady, my deepest condolences on your tragic loss. Thank you for sharing some memories of your daughter who made a beautiful mark on the world during her short time here.

While I think the name calling got out of hand, when people have been discriminated against their entire lives I can understand the rise to anger. So much prejudice is endemic on our society that we often don't even know that we are perpetuating it. We also don't know the circumstances of other people's lives and why they react the way they do.
I had an example last night where I innocently said something and someone else got upset, so I went to them and apologized. They accepted it but said that my 'problem' was I wanted to help everybody. It really stayed with me, but then I thought if that was my problem, wouldn't it be nice if everyone had it. Later they thought I was sitting at another table because of their comment, so then I had to explain that 3 hours earlier, when I got there, there were other people at the table. I was at line dancing and I really don't sit for hours. So from one comment an extrapolation can occur which is incorrect.
Sorry for the long post.

old ;ady said...

My Daughter was a personnel trainer. She was in excellent shape. 5'9" and 140 lbs. She had more energy then about 10 people. She did not drink nor use drugs. She was married and her Daughter will be 3 next month. They (Dr's) think she had a seizure that caused Cardiac Arrest. She was a sports fanatic who Pole Vaulted from JH and into College (Sports Scholarship) she had many concussions from missing the mat, while vaulting. They think this caused an area of her brain to be damaged and caused seizures. When she had one it was so Massive it caused her to stop breathing and her heart to stop. She and my son in law lived with me and their Daughter. Today, he told me that he is taking his Daughter as he does not want me to help raise her. I have one week until she leaves. He is white and does not want her raised as part Black nor does he want her to view me as her Mother. I am her Grandmother, but the law does not give Grandparents any standing in custody, unless both parents are dead. He also does not want her to have any contact with me or my family. So really I am losing both of them.

katsm0711 said...

You will be ok and so will your granddaughter @old'ady. If nothing changes, she will eventually learn the truth and know that you love her and how great her mom is. You're strong.

Idiot Watcher said...

old ;ady, I don't know which state you live in, but although you are correct that grandparents often don't automatically get rights, they will often be awarded them if it's in the "best interests of the child." where your granddaughter lived with you and you were a big part of her life, I think it's likely a court would rule that it's not in her best interests to have that one shred of stability yanked out from underneath her in the wake of losing her mother. Again, so incredibly sorry for your loss and the pain you must be in right now, and if I can help in any way, please let me know.

Frufra said...

First of all, virtual cookies and hugs to everybody. Good grief people, decorum and kindness, please. I would love nothing more than to spend a little time hanging out with you good people :-). But be warned, we are all about a 100% stress free environment within our home, so kind words only!!!

Dear, sweet old ;ady - I don't know what to say, except you are in my thoughts this hour. I pray that your son-in-law's heart will soften as his grief lessens. I pray you can remain close to your granddaughter. Time is a wonderful healer. I pray for you to be comforted as time passes. Know you did a transcendent thing by donating your daughter's organs. Peace and love, lady.

dia papaya said...

Sunny, right there with you on the 3rd grade mentality! You said motor boat. Tee He Hee!

Roxxx said...

@ old ;ady
I'm very sorry for your loss. It's people like your daughter who make the world a better place.

@ HannahPalindrome
I understand why you feel offended by some of the comments made on here, I do too. But calling people names is not acceptable and is beneath you. No matter how justified you may feel in your anger, please don't bring yourself down to the level of those who have upset you - they're not worth it. As I'm typing this, I'm trying really hard to follow on my own advice, I know it's not easy.

@ JohnMolloy
I completely agree with you and thank you for expressing that point better than I ever could.
But I'm going to try anyway....

@Vicki Cupper:
I've read your comments before and found them pretty funny. That rice comment - not so much. That was really out of line, and whatever condolences you offered to begin with, well that off-set it big time.

@MK:
That's quite interesting what you said. I clearly skipped that gene from the Chinese side in my family. If I'm having problems, I feel it's only fair to share them with everyone!

@ Enty
Your posts about Chinese medal winners are beginning to really irritate me. Fine - criticise the government, they're not perfect and I'd be the first to admit that some of the criticism is warranted. But undermining these athletes success in the process is pretty mean spirited and suggests to me, that what bothers you most is the fact that China won another gold.

dia papaya said...

Angels are with you today old;ady. Tears are streaming down my face as I write this. Know that you are loved and supported by all of us. My heart is breaking for your loss and the loss of your beautiful daughter. Your generous nature ensures that 50 people will have a better life.

I am praying for you. I am praying for your dayghter's safe crossing to the other side to be with the Angels. Know that she is always, always with you. Love exists always. I know this bc I am a medium and see them in heaven surrounded by love, without pain.

I am also praying that your son-in-law will come to his senses. Grief makes people do crazy things. The little one will come back to you! Set your intention and make it so.

Sending you a giant bear hug! We love you! Dia P

dia papaya said...

@feraltart - Being nice to everyone and wanting to help is a kindness a lot of people have lost. Good for you!

smashbash said...

I really felt the love here at the end. Old;ady you will be in my thoughts today. I am so sorry for your lose. Be strong.

B. Profane said...

I am available to console the ladies of the Brazilian and Spanish beach volleyball teams for any tragedies they may have suffered during competition.

See, isn't altruism more fun than racism?

wenx said...

Old ;ady, I am truly sorry for your loss :(

wenx said...

Old ;ady, I am truly sorry for your loss :(

Sherry said...

My heart goes out to you old ;ady. I wish I could sit and hold you and let you have a good cry for your double loss. I know that isn't much consolation but know you have a crew of people here who send you their love. This has been a wonderful community and I have been on the receiving end of others care and concern. If I can listen to you and help that hurt ease I bit please let me know.

Hannah: I am so surprised at your outburst. I always thought you were much more intelligent and articulate than that and frankly I am quite disappointed. I'm disappointed when anyone has to resort to name calling to make their point because the point they want to make is completely lost.

Come on! Calling people cunts and trailer trash is for reality TV. Not this site. I thought we were all more elevated.

Sherry said...

One last thing. I find it very, very interesting that the people who tend to flame the most also have zero guts in making their profile available. Frankly I find that quite cowardly.

RenoBlondee said...

Old ;ady I am so sorry. I am thinking about you.

Susan said...

I am so sorry. My thoughts and prayers are with you x

Mary Stewart-McGovern said...

Old ;ady, I'm so sorry for your loss. I cannot even begin to fathom the pain you're feeling. Hopefully, knowing so many of us are holding you and your family in our thoughts will provide some comfort.

Regarding your granddaughter, if your son-in-law is serious about keeping her from your family (although I'm hoping it's just the grief speaking), you do have rights. When my ex and I got divorced, his parents hired a lawyer and obtained legal visitation rights (it's a very long story but to say my ex and his parents don't have the best of relationships is an understatement.) If you're interested, please let me know and I can provide more info on that.

Sending love and light to you and yours,
Mary

Agent**It said...

Enty, you finally got it right about China:

"it seems to be the only thing that matters is winning no matter the cost"

Free Tibet

HannahPalindrome said...

Let me get this straight...

Are you trying to tell me that the experiences I had growing up is not as important as your experiences?

If this thread was about black people, and Vicki was talking about watermelon, do you think I would be okay with that?
It's the same when you're talking about Asians and rice.

This is the problem with this country!
Writing racist comments about Asians was okay, but if this was about the black community, a lot of ppl would be attacking the racists.

Your experiences with racism are the same as mine!
This is the reason why I will not sit back and allow a bunch of IDIOTS to get away with their ignorant comments.

I'm not playing this game of which person's racism is worse than the other persons. For you to address anything that I've said as not worthy is disgusting.

I find it interesting that most ppl are yelling at me for calling ppl names and not calling out the others. One wrote that they enjoy Vicki's funny comments.
Pathetic.

I can deal with people calling me a bitch, cunt, blah blah, but I refuse to sit back and not say what I am feeling at the time.

lolaluvs2snack said...

I was born in the right country. At the best time for me. To the right parents to handle my crazy ass.

Because if I would've been born in some other country, at an earlier date my butt would've gotten stoned to death or something...

This story is so heavy and ridiculous. That's CRAZY, will she get to go home and help her mom through the breast cancer?????

katsm0711 said...

Notice that everything she's accusing others of, she's the only one who's been doing it? She called the names, she brought up black people yet completely ignored the most sobering post FROM a black person? I missed the statement about the grain of rice but I really doubt that it was meant anything but a joke and the world isn't going to work unless we can laugh at the little things. Do we need to name all the typical ethnic foods? Something is wrong with her. She's been that angry for how many hours since the first post?

Li said...

I'm actually quite disappointed in some of the earlier comments. They came across as extremely xenophobic and racist.

Imagine if someone made the same snap judgments based on getting a small glimpse into our culture (Does Snooki represent the entire U.S?)
I don't think we'd like that all. SMH

Robin the Mad Photographer said...

@old ;ady: I'm so, so sorry that you have to deal with all of this...anything else I could say has pretty much already been said by several other posters, but we are all thinking of you... *hug*

katsm0711 said...

I said nothing about individuals, only that I don't trust their government. I don't even trust my own government! What I do trust is their medicine and I completely distrust Western medicine. Everything has its good and bad. I feel I have more choices where I live but maybe the downside is people aren't pushed to their greatest potential here bc some choose laziness?
I'm done with this post.

dia papaya said...

@Hannah - I understand why you're mad. All racism is bad. Anytime anyone is made to feel less than another bc of race is not ok in my book.

Vicki was wrong to say what she said. You didn't make it any better by saying horrible things back to her. Neither of you handled this well. If you were my kids I would put both of you in timeout and then make you apologize to each other and then hug.

I wanted to stay of this back and forth, but had to say something after you lashed out at Lady the second time. Her daughter just died and you know if she wanted to call me a cunt-faced honkey today, I would be OK with it. There is a GIANT hole in her heart that will never be filled. She is experiencing the worst kind of agony today and we need to be compassionate for her loss.

Maybe you had a similar shitty day and if we knew about we would support you too. I totally get what you were trying to say. I just wished you'd been calmer about it. You have every right to be mad.

I'm sending you a big hug too. I love your posts as well. You are awesome. I hope we can chalk up this extra emotion to Toxic Thursday-itis.

Hugs and Kittens, dp

Momster said...

I was wondering why this thread had 115+ responses. . .wow.

@old ;lady, so very sorry for your loss.

@selenakyle, I agree!

and @Frufra, I can be there in about 3 hours!

Robert said...

@old;ady: I think others have said everything I would have more eloquently; the trite phrase "My thoughts and prayers are with you" is often the only thing we can offer, but they are. Your daughter sounds like one incredible human being, and rest assured you will meet again one day. You will see your granddaughter, as well. Hugs!

__-__=__ said...

Wow old ;ady. My heart goes out to you. It sounds like you raised a wonderful child. The world needs more of this. Hang in there.

__-__=__ said...

old;ady - I hope a small bit of time will bring your granddaughter back to you. Grief is terrible and people don't always know how to deal with it. I know you probably have a funeral to deal with now and that can't be easy for everyone involved. I hope everyone can keep peace and love in their hearts during this difficult time. I wish peace and love for you all.

Travel teaches us to hate governments, not people. Hate is a learned emotion in most cases.

Agent**It said...

old ;ady - my prayers are with you.

ABlake said...

China is simply outstanding when it comes to their respect of females.
I have zero doubt they treat their athletes with the same respect they give to human rights. Probably more strict, actually, considering it's all about 'reputation' and seeming strong.

I wonder if the government is glad the parents of the girls who ave won trophies for them didn't abort due to the 1 child per family law?

Or if that's easily overlooked.

Either way, the whole situation is simply tragic.

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astrogirl said...

old ;ady - I hope you get some legal advice, a child should know their relatives and their history

Maybe it's a good time for us all to think about and reread our posts before we publish them. I know I have been guilty of running off my mouth before my brain has a chance to catch up.

CDaNer love is the best thing about this place, let's not lose sight of that.

MirandaPriestly said...

I'm pretty sure most people are saying the government is the asshole and feel for the Olympian, they are not blaming the race.

Susan said...

This thread is giving me the sads.

old;ady - I know my words will ring hollow, but your situation breaks my heart. I hope your daughter's husband realizes that their daughter needs her grandmom in her life. Obviously, you meant a great deal to your daughter if you all lived together. Maybe someone in his life will help him see that. I am so sorry you are going through all of this. God bless.

All about Eve said...

Can you give it a rest Hannah!! She lost her daughter!!! Old ;ady I'm so sorry for your loss, can't imagine your pain at this moment, my thoughts are with you

smashbash said...

Looking at those girls asses this morning made me do some extra long yard work today.

MirandaPriestly said...

You cn also get visitation rights as grandparents (especially bc she has loved with you, that shows a relationship/bond to the courts!!).

All about Eve said...

And I was wondering why she is ghetto? Because she's puertorican or from the Bronx? Hmmmm...

misspoppypants said...

How do you know if Vicki is fat?

misspoppypants said...

Does your mom know you are using her computer?

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misspoppypants said...

Party Supplies, apparently you missed Enty's 'Your Turn' post from earlier. Go look. :)

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misspoppypants said...

Right. Right! I mean this seriously, I think that was cruel. They'd kept it from her for a year, the mom was in remission, how viscious was that to tell her right after she won? She's already been through hell with training and isolation, no need to add to it like that. It appalls me. The whole thing appalls me but I really am hit hard by that almost punishing act. I dont care about future timing, that was wrong. She will have a tough time feeling good about that day in the future and that is selfish. Nothing would have been hurt by waiting even another 24 hours.

misspoppypants said...

i think being called on it via you are a fat fucking cunt is a surprise to anyone

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Kaizer... said...

@old ;ady, the grieving process can bring out the worst in people. I hope for your sake and your grandchild’s he comes around.

I’m w/ @astrogirl; I’ve had my fair share of open mouth insert foot moments on this blog. I’m probably about to have one now.

@Hannah’s reaction was vulgar and she could have handled her words much better. She’s right to be mad about the dismissiveness from readers. I usually find Vicki to be quite funny. But in this situation, she made comments that didn’t seem to be overly racist, but Hannah did. At that point, step back. I bet if Vicki wasn’t a popular poster, many of you would not have defended her words. And stop antagonizing Hannah by bringing in comments from another thread. That’s just being a jackass. And it seems as though @misspoppypants is now having a conversation w/ herself in the last 8 comments? No?


Finally, for love of Pete, can we stop talking about Free Speech on a gossip blog? We are under the jurisdiction of blogger.

babo said...

Oh what an awful thread ...
So sad to read about old ;ady 's very sad circumstances.
My thoughts are with you.

I was interested in this thread because I spent 7 years in China and.
Well ... things went to another nasty direction. I will just say that MDK was spot on with his comments (maybe others were, but I could not bring myself to read everything)

You can say it is cruel, I will never do it to my child but I understand the way people of Chinese culture would think: "if I tell her that her grandma died before her great competition/exam, she will be distraught and disrupted in her work, she will diminish her chances to to win and she will jeopardize her whole future. I cannot let her put her future in danger for something that could not be avoided so I will wait."
You can say it is cruel, it is not. It is only cruel in our culture because of the way we prioritize our values.
Chinese culture does it differently but they are not meaner when they do this.

Chinese culture is much more geared towards survival and preparing for the future than ours. This is the reason why personal feelings or wellbeing are less important than in Western civilization.

End of Sociology 101 and a half from babo (formerly known as Babochina)

I hope every heart is quieter now

Roxxx said...

Out of curiosity - is this the same Kaizer who writes at Celebitchy? I know the spelling is different but just wondered.

WBotW said...

This thread is disgusting.
Hannah... I get why you're upset and you are 100% justified. The ignorant high school mentality displayed here is definitely more than a bit pathetic, and you know, while I am very sorry to hear of old ;ady's loss, I don't quite grasp what exactly that has to do with Vicki being a racist slag. Which, by the way, she absolutely is, from the tone of the trash that she spews here.
Reality is, this is a cliquey group of people, and honestly, it's better to NOT fit in. These people are not the people who used to make coming here a pleasure.

Mary Anne said...

What about the bad minton (sp) teams that are throwing their games? How come nobody is talking about that?

Roxxx said...

@WbotW:
It's good to hear some people on this site don't support or defend the racist spew that other people have posting. I used to think this was a relatively nice community but I've been pretty disappointed as of late. However, people like you, John, MK etc have restored my faith a bit.

Unknown said...

Wow, you people are a nasty piece of work. Yes, what Vicky said was inappropriate. However, Hannah is 100% WRONG for going psycho crazy. So according to Hannah (and others), it's not ok to make a inappropriate racial comment, but it's perfectly ok to write the most nasty, vitriolic statements - calling another human being a "fat cunt" and a "fucking loser"? HYPOCRITE MUCH???

ESPECIALLY, when Hannah, in a previous post, called someone 'ghetto', which can be deemed as an offensive comment. Would we have been justified to call Hannah a "fucking cunt" then??

Hannah, you need to grow the hell up. For the record, I believe you had every right to call Vicky out on her comment. However you lost any respect from me when you spewed your nasty bile. Sweetie, in the real world that is NOT how you resolve conflicts. Stomping and screaming like a 10 year old won't endear me to your cause.

The rest of you that are picking on Vicky should be ashamed. Again, I am not saying that you shouldn't speak up, but it's the way you're doing it - you sit there and spew all this self righteous crap, but you're nothing better than teenage bullies. For God's sake, learn how engage as adults and not 16 year old mean girls.

Roxxx said...

It’s not OK to make racist comments OR write “nasty, vitriolic statements” – if you had read previous posts (i.e. the one I posted at 2:29 PM for example, you’d be aware of this. I suggest you check your facts before you throw around accusations of hypocrisy.

I (and a couple of others) found Vicki’s “rice” remark offensive and disrespectful, referring to it as “inappropriate” is an understatement and down plays the connation implied. Why should I or anyone else be ashamed for disagreeing with Vicki? With the exception of Hannah, most people were perfectly civil and polite in raising their objections. It’s interesting that you interpret this as bullying - disagreeing with someone’s opinion doesn’t constitute as bullying in my book, and is an insult to those who have suffered with bullying in their lives. I also find it interesting that you’d rather not give a name when posting – you feel so strongly about this that you rather not be identified?

Roxxx said...

@ Unknown:
Actually I take back that last comment I made about posting anonymously. I can understand why you’d prefer to do this and it was wrong of me to criticise you for it. So apologies for this. But with regard to everything else I said, I stand by it.

rejectedcarebear said...

I do not agree or condone the inital comment that started this all off. Nor do I condone the extremely profane way Hannah chose to express herself. But that's the beauty of the internet. Someone can say something totally fucked up and another person can challenge them on that. I wanted to stay away from this awful thread but lately the comments have been too much for me to just bite my tongue. I'm sure Vicki intended her comment to be 'funny' but it was not. It was very offensive but she is allowed to feel that way and Hannah is allowed to express her rage in her own way, but she went too far. This whole thing went too far. There is no defending those types of comments from either party. I'm sorry for the spelling/grammar issues but this pissed me off. I know I'm a hippie and I just want peace and love but is that so wrong?
Old ;ady- I'm so so sorry for your tragic loss and I pray that your son in law lets you be a part of your grand daughters life. Your story put things in perspective, thank you for sharing it. My thoughts and prayers are with you. You are stronger than you know.

ABlake said...

Vicki Cupper said...

ITA @Kats. When I lived in Korea people constantly asked me when I going to China for vacay. Fucking why? They charge Americans almost double for a tourist visa than they do everybody else. Fuck them and the rice they rode in on.

11:08 AM

Whoa..

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Kaizer... said...

@Roxxx no I’m not the same Kaizer. & I agree.

@WbotW, there are several in this crew w/ a clique mentality.

@rejectedcarebear, I’m pretty sure yesterday’s rant by the grammar police proved that even they can’t follow their own rules.

@Agent, I think you are a jackass.

Agent**It said...

@Kaizer
You live up to your name!

Kaizer=Over zealous or moronic. In need of guidance and constant approval and attention.
Anal retentive personality
"That person is a kaizer, constantly spamming forums and seeking attention"

MPD.

All about Eve said...

I think everyone went too far, specially Hannah! I understand why she was offended because as a minority myself I know about stereotypes too but to call other people names like what she did was too much. Also, I think most people here are aware that the Chinese people are good and are different from their oppressive government. If there was cheating involved anywhere it's the government who makes them do this, they have no choice! And I would agree that you might not want to tell this athlete about grandma dying except apparently grandma died a YEAR ago! I'm sure she would be ok by now if she was told at the time but different cultures have different beliefs. Last, it is important to point out what Hannah said in a previous post about Jennifer Lopez when she called her ghetto! To me that was offensive and racist! And I would like to know why she is ghetto? Because she's puertorican??? She could have used any other word to get her point across but to use ghetto was done on purpose!

Kaizer... said...

Lol. You are amusing, its only attention seeking and spamming when you don't agree with someone. Kind of like in all of your Dark Knight posts, shaming anyone who wants to bring up gun control, mental health issue, etc. Then you try to redirect with “judge isn’t allowing camera’s in the courtroom” blah blah blah. Lets not talk about the problem, but lets continue to glamourize and investigate every detail about him and his family, Lets make them notorious!

Sorry you can’t look up the definition of my name it has its own unique personal definition. The point is I’m not afraid to stand up for someone who is being berated by others posters. But if you want to say I’m attention seeking, fine go ahead. I certainly am not seeking your approval.

SilverOnyx said...

I'm so sorry for your loss. Your daughter seemed like she was an amazing person. Thoughts are with you.

Agent**It said...

That's it? That's all you have? Not very unique. Wish you well.

FSP said...

o_0

Newborn said...

I winced when I read Vicki's comment. Yes. Funny thing is, I also winced when I read Hannah's comment yesterday on the Casper Smart/JLo thread, regarding J-from-the-B being "ghetto." There is hypocrisy in Hannah's actions and words. Vicki's comment was offensive, and she could have made her point about the Chinese government or way-of-life without being racist. There's a fine line between racial commentary and racism. I don't think it was her intention to be racist, and I will give Hannah the benefit of the doubt in that she wasn't being elitist, stuck up, and bigoted when she said that thing about "ghetto" JLo.

But I will also say that Hannah seems to have gone off the rails. Her rants and name-calling defeated her purpose and diluted her argument. Her subsequent attack on old ;ady, to whom I send all my best wishes and heartfelt condolences, was uncalled for and, quite frankly, wrong.

@Hannah, yes, you may have experienced racism your whole life, but I defy you to compare it to what old :ady has gone through. If you live in America, your suffering hasn't been the same because it hasn't been systemic and endemic, perpetual, born into this country's constitution, and born into the tenets of certain political parties. The most recent rise in hate groups in America didn't occur because Asian people continued to climb the ivies and corporate ladders (as they've benefitted more from affirmative action than the black people in this country). If you were a little more informed of American history and the law, you wouldn't make such careless comments. I can school you on it, if you want, but we should take that discussion off this thread. You want to say there is no way one people can claim one's suffering trumps another's. In this country, you most certainly can.

I'm sorry for whatever bigotry you have faced, but that does not give you just cause to dish it out as well. You don't win that way and you lose all dignity and the respect of others. Rise above it and in the future, remember not to bring black people's suffering into your argument because on that, you can never (nor should you ever) win.

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katsm0711 said...

You guys, Hannah wont post here for a long time. She's probably not even reading anyone comments to her.

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katsm0711 said...

Thank you Agent! I tried telling Hannah what website I took it from but she can't read English. She firmly believes I'm a monkey loving drag queen.

misspoppypants said...

@Kaizer, haha! Yes, a conversation with myself...is that better or worse than calling each other fat cunts and worthless whores? There are a couple different ways to view and respond to this site. The mobile version lets you respond to individual texts directly underneath them while the web version puts your posts at the end and does not let you individually reply to certain posts. I hope that clears it up. That conversation was crazy making but I haven't become my own imaginary friend yet.

Agent**It said...

'Hanna' is a composite of other names, MPD.

misspoppypants said...

@Agent, what does MPD mean? What do you mean about the name Hanna? no h at the end

YourNameHere said...

@Frufra I can answer your question as to whether Olympians go on to live productive lives. I've had the honor of participating in an event called Swim Across America with some past US Olympic swimmers and they are some of the most down to earth normal people I've met. Sure I was a little starry eyed about it at first but really, they are nice and normal and seem to be happy with their lives.

Beta said...

hi ;ady
I was reading the comments of this thread and was getting pissed off at the tone of some commenters ... then I reached yours.

Just wanted to send you my thoughs. What you are going through is the absolute worst a human being bcan endure. I am sorry for the loss of your amazing daughter :'(
I really really hope your son in law realizes that his son, your grandson, needs+benefits from having you&your part of the family in their life, even more in this difficult times. family members can be idiots sometimes, it is my experience, & I really hope he reconsiders his position sooner that later
A huge HUGE hug ;ady

Ash said...

To old;lady,

I want to express my condolences on the loss of your daughter and hope that you will be able to reunite with your grandchild someday.

To the community,

This will probably mean little to most, but I was an avid reader of CDAN when the blog started up until recently. I read the blind items, such as the famous MV blind and Enty's trip through Europe. However, I noticed a change in the blog. I'm not sure what it was, be it the blind vices that discussed rape and molestation in great detail, or the lazy posts that were designed to anger some group. (Surely the people who run this blog that have such knowledge would be able to do something about what was going on in the blind vices.)

I also noticed a group think mentality where whoever disagreed with the majority, got jumped on. Differences of opinion do not bother me, nor do comments meant to challenge someone's belief. What is repugnant are the some of comments made about others and that challenging them is somehow wrong or against "free speech."

What has happened/is happening to African-Americans in the U.S. is horrific and the fruits of systematic racism are far from gone in American society. However, people of Asian descent (be it East Asians or South Asians) in America have endured racism/violence and it is not insignificant either. Being Asian American, I can recall incidents of racial violence from my own experience and from those I have worked with in the community. These topics are rarely discussed or brought about because of the media's hesitance to cover these issues and the concept of shame within the Asian community.

I have noticed comments from some here that seem insignificant, but add up to be a general hostility towards people who are not the majority.

Is this blog significant in resolving these issues? Probably not, but some of the comments made here are indicative of what prejudiced people think and say when they don't think they will be challenged. I hope that this community returns to what it used to be. And now I'm going to drink.

smashbash said...

Really well said. :) have a good Friday!

Roxxx said...

@Newborn:
I agreed with the 1st para you wrote but your last para is just ridiculous. How patronising and judgmental can you get? I’m sorry but who exactly do you think you are to judge the racism someone else has experienced and deem it as not being comparable to another person’s experience, without knowing first hand any of the individuals concerned or facts, but basing this purely on the fact that said person is not African American, therefore it can’t be as bad.

But it’s really good of you to offer to “school” Hannah so that she can learn how any racism she’s experienced is insignificant or doesn’t qualify because she’s not African American. Oh please, that’s just utterly ridiculous and stupid, not to mention just a little bit racist in itself.

And for the record, I didn’t see Hannah make an attack on Old Lady. She may have been rude to other people, but not Old lady. Don’t take my word for it, go back and read the comments and tell me where this happens.

@ Ash
I agree 100% with everything you said.

Newborn said...

@Roxxx

Sure. Here is what I was objecting to, in what Hannah said to old ;lady:

Let me get this straight...

Are you trying to tell me that the experiences I had growing up is not as important as your experiences?

If this thread was about black people, and Vicki was talking about watermelon, do you think I would be okay with that?
It's the same when you're talking about Asians and rice.

...

Your experiences with racism are the same as mine!
...

I'm not playing this game of which person's racism is worse than the other persons. For you to address anything that I've said as not worthy is disgusting.


This came across to me as an attack, and that is what I was responding to. I think it is ludicrous for her to bring up watermelon and black people to justify her pain. Unnecessary and the two are hardly comparable. First of all, the watermelon thing is a stereotype! Associating Asian people with rice is not in and of itself racist. Asian people (esp in Asian countries) DO eat rice with their meals to this day. China is the largest producer of rice in the world. Rice has been a food staple in Asia for millennia. It's only seen as a negative thing if someone tries to make it one (which is why Vicki's comment rubbed me the wrong way). But the whole watermelon idea is based in oppression that was meant to demean an entire people--enslaved Southern blacks, not given enough to eat by "owners," growing a crop and thus supplementing their diet with that food item. Then those same "owners" make fun of their starving "chattel." Breaking down the distinction even further: the emperors of China ate rice and didn't suggest the consumption of the food was somehow symbolic of their subjects being inferior. The watermelon association was designed to make fun of another race of people living in the same country so as to continue to subjugate and oppress them. We can go even farther into where that stereotype grew from, but again, probably not of interest to most people on this board.

I know that Hannah and old ;lady's experiences with racism are not the same. Old ;lady, judging by her name and age, has seen more and experienced more than Hannah, and lived through some of the most tumultuous times in our nation's history. I'm not saying that the experiences of the two ladies weren't just as painful for the individual, or even that the lingering effects couldn't be as severe--for the individual. But I stand by what I said in regard to the systemic racism of this country directed squarely at African Americans, in which the government itself takes part. We can talk about the plight of African-American farmers (the government refusing them loans, such that they'd lose their farms), or the lending practices of different mortgage lenders (where, for instance, Wells Fargo, SunTrust, among many, many others, deliberately steered African Americans toward subprime loans, or wouldn't give African Americans the same interest rates they would white people with the same income and credit history, etc), or politicians trying to purge voter rolls in order to reduce the number of black people who are eligible to vote in presidential elections. All of this is CURRENT (not stuff that happened twenty, thirty, fifty years ago). And that's just the obvious stuff. African Americans are still targeted not just by skinheads, but by those who think they mean well. Pointing out and studying discrepancies, disenfranchisement, and injustices and the varying levels of those things that different people within a society suffer isn't racist. It's science. Refusing to acknowledge the difference is just someone trying to by PC, not really trying to understand the depth of the problems for whatever reason. Willful ignorance mostly.

Newborn said...

@Roxxx
One last thing: the fact that Hannah was able to nonchalantly take a superior position over JLo and label her "ghetto," which, as I said before, has racist undertones, suggests to me that she hasn't experienced the type of racism that old ;ady has. Such words came too easily for her. And finally, old ;ady's own story talks about the fact that her white son-in-law doesn't want to raise his daughter (her granddaughter) as part black and is trying to cut the girl off from the black side of her family. In case there are others who didn't pick up on this, that's racism too. My educated guess is that Hannah has never experienced something as malignant, albeit subtle, as that.

misspoppypants said...

Yes Hannah attacked old ;ady and yes, she was caught up in such a viscious come apart that she was not humbled by old ;ady's tragic loss. Hannah comes off, at least that day, as a very unstable 16 year old who may ir may not have a darker, deeper pain that underles her rage, but rage is safer to express. That would make sense. The world is filled with hurting people. Everyone is entitled to their own grief. I got absolutely hysterical, not in a psychotic sense, by the shock of it all. It was so unreal that to me it came off as hilarious, Vicki and Hannah. Not thinking it's funny noe. And yeah, people jump people's backs on here if they dare to say a story bores them, commit the heinous crime of a spelling or grammatical error or anything else lately. It is like the youtube channel here now. Ive gotten angry myself.
That said, kaizer, don't call people jackasses. What hypocrisy. Just adding to the fat fucks, cunts and whores on here. Don't exalt yourself. And it would have taken you two seconds to reason out the staggering of my posts. So leave me off your shit list as well. Your comments about others says a lot more about you than them. I agree, this site is crap now and cliquey and you never know who is going ti come at you like a chimpanzee for having your own thoughts. Group think is exactly right. I think my hilarious hysterica nterpretation to this blog says it's time to cut the ties to the people whi can't deal with the anger in their own lives and come to levy it out on strangers, the online version of road rage. And I don't need your approval or validation, kaizer, because I have absolutely no respect for you.

misspoppypants said...

Typos due to iphone not ignorance. Save the righteous self aggrandizement for the Your Turn blog.

Roxxx said...

@Newborn:

In comparison to what she said to other posters – no, I don’t consider this an attack. Disagreement yes, attack no.

I can’t really add anything to your racial food metaphor analysis, you’ve done an excellent job and I don’t think I’ll ever regard watermelons or rice in quite the same way.

“I'm not saying that the experiences of the two ladies weren't just as painful for the individual, or even that the lingering effects couldn't be as severe--for the individual.”

Good, glad to hear it, at least there's one thing we agree on.

Tuxedo Cat said...

Hi ol;lady, we don't know each other, but my sincere condolences for your loss. Sending you huggies from Canada {{{( }}}} It was so thoughtful of your family to donate her organs.

Tuxedo Cat said...

I agree with Hannah that those were inappropriate comments: "the rice you rode in on" and then the "acupuncture" comment just topped it right off. Of course, Hannah's swearing was immediately pounced upon as being more of a sin than the action that first caused it.

I'm just a nobody from nowhere, but I wanted Hannah to know that she wasn't imagining it.

ibrewtea said...

I live in Beijing. And I'm not Chinese. This is a complicated country and it is hard to understand just how much insane development has impacted a society that has been torn apart first politically and then economically. This is a soulless place, but that doesn't mean Chinese people themselves are this way. Ppl here are driven by a desperation that comes from wanting as much of this success as possible before it all goes away...again, hard to explain and difficult--when you live here--to stay faithful to those lines you draw between right and wrong.