Tuesday, April 22, 2014

MH 370 May Have Landed

No debris has ever been found on the surface of the ocean. No debris has washed up on any shore. The pinging that investigators once believed was from black boxes has now been classified as something else. Over a month has passed since the disappearance of MH 370, and investigators are no closer now to finding it, then they were the day after it crashed. Some sources within the investigation now believe the plane may have landed. That would kind of jibe with what some witnesses reported seeing and that whole passenger cell phone ringing thing that occurred after the plane supposedly crashed.

How about this for a thought? People in a position in the Malaysian government to screw with the investigation and the radar were bought off or helped for personal reasons. The pilot was involved. That is all you really need. It is hard to steal a plane and get away with it, but it is not as hard to make a plane turn and avoid bought off radar coverage on a flight on a weekend during the middle of the night.

You then throw enough false leads out or misinformation to keep everyone focused on other things for a few days until it is too late to do anything. Remember how no one knew where to search the first few days. No other governments were willing to help and the big countries of the world were all caught up with Russia and Ukraine.

If a plane crashed or ditched in the sea, even if it stayed intact, which seems impossible, wouldn't something float to the surface or to shore?

77 comments:

JisforMe said...

i agree.

This plane was hi-jacked, the people were killed and it landed in a different country.

plokzy said...

As tragic and twisted as the situation is, im fascinated by this... Just bought The Langoliers this weekend because of this

Sass71 said...

This whole thing has been mismanaged from day one. I feel so bad for the relatives and friends of the passengers.

Sass71 said...

@plokzy, you will enjoy The Langoliers :)

Trilby said...

I'm in total agreement with this post. I've believed all along that it landed somewhere. Disinformation and distraction... Now, where? and for what purpose (s)? are the pertinent questions.

Seven of Eleven said...
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Tina Mallette said...

I believe that other countries indeed offered help it was the Malaysian government that was not accepting help until later.

Well if one was a Jack Bauer 24 Hour fan one might surmise this was a political assassination done the hard way, to someone not of interest to anyone outside Malaysia or China and they are both in cahoots to keep this quiet?

aemish said...

Why wouldn't they just buy their own plane rather than deal with all of the passengers?

Pogue Mahone said...
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Tina Mallette said...

However it took 2 years to find the wreckage of that Air France jet and they knew where it hit the ocean in the first place.

Pogue Mahone said...

I would also think if it exploded wouldn't someone have seen and heard something like a big boom and a fireball in the sky? Certainly there would have been some wreckage found as well, either in the water, floating on top of, or under the water. It's always possible it was hijacked and landed somewhere hidden deep in a jungle somewhere...but where are all the passengers and are they still alive?

Vera L- said...

If one of the passengers was someone they wanted and you get a free plane.

My uncle was talking about an island out there, Diego Garcia? That has a landing strip, all military, etc. I wasn't paying much attention, but this fits with what I caught of his opinion on it

Seven of Eleven said...

@plozky, The Langoliers is awesome!

I even liked the TV movie they did. Balki Bartokomous plays the crazy dude!

Tina Mallette said...

An airline crash is normally perfect cover for an assassination, used many times, though they should have made this look like a mechanical failure and we can't rule out crazy pilot vs pilot as government operative or pilot as terrorist.

Ray Nicolet said...

I said it before, Widmore is behind this.

Seven of Eleven said...

How very X-Files.

But still, there's this to suggest that a vanished plane might be a vanished plane:

World's 10 most mysterious plane disappearances and strangest aircraft crashes

(reposted with actual working link)

auntliddy said...

If it wasnt for tragic loss of lives, this wld be great conspiracy fodder for eons to come. I like that there are still mysteries in the world. Just wish it didnt involve dead people.

Robert said...

It could well take months, years, or decades for any debris to wash ashore anywhere, if it ever does at all since over 70% of the Earth's surface is water and in many places that water is already contaminated with tons of other debris.

I agree that the Malaysian government handled this badly--about as badly as anyone could imagine--but that doesn't necessarily indicate that some kind of conspiracy was involved. There's an old saying that goes, "Never ascribe to malice that which could be put down to stupidity or incompetence," and that saying's applicable here. If some terrorist--or would-be terrorist--group had hijacked the plane in-flight, why haven't they proclaimed their "victory"? That's what terrorist groups do. Such groups and such people gain nothing by pulling off some caper for which they never get "credit." Nor would any nation have any incentive to grab such a plane. It isn't as though the Boeing 777 is some sort of secret. Those aircraft have been flying around the world for years. Any nation that wants one can simply buy one with few, if any, questions asked. After all, Boeing is perfectly willing to sell one to anyone or any group who's able to pony up the cash.

Personally, I think the investigators were probably closer to finding it a few weeks ago when they were investigating debris about 1,500 miles SW of Australia, before anyone claimed to have heard "pings" from any so-called "black boxes." For those who were following the story closely, that twist occurred just about the same time that experts were warning that any pings those things could be sending out were right on the verge of ending due to run down batteries. And yet all of a sudden, none of that seemed to matter. The sounds supposedly had to be coming from black boxes, even though only hours earlier everyone involved had assured the public that such sounds could only be heard from a platform practically right on top of the wreckage, and that any sounds had to end within hours--or days at most--because of the condition of the batteries.

I doubt now that any wreckage will ever be found unless by sheer happenstance. But I would be interested in hearing, if those sounds weren't coming from an aircraft's black boxes, what were they coming from?

Bitchy Woman said...

I find it very strange that 20 passengers on board were involved in cutting edge electronic technology used for defense purposes, including electronic warfare, such as weapons that can "cloak" or make planes invisible, appearing to vanish. I believe the Government is behind it and wanted those 20 people.Diego Garcia is where a lot of people believe it landed.USA uses it and it has a landing strip large enough to land that plane.

Topper Madison said...

Um, no. The ocean is much bigger than you think.

That's like saying, if a plane crashed in the Andes, wouldn't someone have found it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571#The_crash_and_rescue

Kristin (Wiglet) said...

No way it would've been allowed to land on Diego Garcia.

Jonathan Andrew Sheen said...

If a plane crashed or ditched in the sea, even if it stayed intact, which seems impossible, wouldn't something float to the surface or to shore?

Enty, dude, you have no concept of how vast any ocean on Earth is compared to how big even an entire 777 is.

I'm not saying the plane did crash, much less that it crashed where they say it did -- I'm not saying it didn't, I don't know and neither does anyone else -- but it's far from a foregone conclusion that there would be debris.

Sillygurl said...

+1000

Slap-n-Tickle said...

@Bitchy Woman - that's very interesting. Do you remember where you read that?

TinselSass said...

Inspired by @Slap-n-Tickle (awesome name), I found this article about the passengers...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465782/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-Who-are-the-passengers-onboard-the-missing-plane

The anecdotes and photos are a reminder that this is not just a bad movie.

texas rose said...

Enty - stay out of it. You have no idea - you trying to turn this into some political conspiracy blog?? Stick to gossip.

NJ FireFighter said...

I am not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but I do have to admit that the plane landing is a valid (though much less likely) possibility. If it did land somewhere, it will eventually be heard from again and then people are going to have some 'splainin to do.

a said...

If you're going the conspiracy route, the manifesto is one place to start. I like the idea of wanting someone on that plane - I just can't reconcile the fact about the witnesses.

If corporate executives were on that plane, and had cloaking knowledge/patents (as someone else mentioned), wouldn't sending a private jet from a shell company be more efficient, and less attention grabbing?

Unless they wanted the plane. But it's not exactly like you can hide that in your backyard.

a said...

If you're going the conspiracy route, the manifesto is one place to start. I like the idea of wanting someone on that plane - I just can't reconcile the fact about the witnesses.

If corporate executives were on that plane, and had cloaking knowledge/patents (as someone else mentioned), wouldn't sending a private jet from a shell company be more efficient, and less attention grabbing?

Unless they wanted the plane. But it's not exactly like you can hide that in your backyard.

Count Jerkula said...

Our reptilian overlords needed fresh kill to satisfy their blood lust.

Leekalicious said...

It seems as if everyone is being sent on various wild goose chases. The powers that be (Malaysia) are either overlooking, hiding, or ignoring information. We're accustomed to getting explanations that are easier to believe and that make up feel better. (Even if they aren't true).

Picasso One said...

Oh well at least CNN got a big ratings boost for a couple of weeks with this missing plane coverage.

Laura taylor said...

The borg got it with a tractor beam unlike scientology I believe everything you need to know about life you can learn from star trek #janewayrules

0_0 said...

That plane did not land at an airstrip. There are only a few, relatively speaking, that can handle that aircraft within its range. They have all been checked and backtracked with satellite imagery and assets on the ground, trust me.
Finding that debris among the other debris more than 1000 miles from anywhere is not proving to be easy. The plane might have been ditched at sea, which would leave very little debris at all.
I've been to Diego Garcia. Somebody would have CNET land.

Slap-n-Tickle said...

Thanks for both the link & compliment, @TinselSass!

JoElla said...

Maybe it was a Philadelphia experiment type thing?

Lets be honest folks, at this point, we have the makings of a really good Clancy book.

NYer said...

please. what is the end game? to steal the plane? kidnap a few of the passengers? If you let the people live, you have hundreds of witnesses, but more importantly, the world aviation authorities know the plane was stolen so it isn't worth anything. If you kill everyone, you've made potentially enemies you can only dream of since you can't predict who will be on the plane. silly, soulless exploitation of a tragedy.

AIP said...

People are really underestimating the size of the search area and the visibility of comparatively small pieces of debris from the air.

If the crash location was found within the first week or two then probably debris could've been found floating. However over time pieces become waterlogged and sink and the quite massive storms and currents that occur in that part of the Indian Ocean would break up and disperse debris quite effectively .

D Brown said...

I`m not an expert but I suspect that the current could disperse any debris over tens of thousands of square miles by now.

Rose said...

I feel bad when these stories come out. As interesting as these theories are they are most likely not true and just give family members false hope. Some of them will believe these but it's better to hold out a small hope that they might be somewhere released or found in months and not already dead.

Leah said...

My husband's theory is that terrorists have the plane, are going to load it with nukes, and threaten to land it somewhere unless they are paid some tremendous amount of money.

Leah said...
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Tina Mallette said...

Lol Laura,

We are Borg.

Resistance is Futile.

Tina Mallette said...

Hey Captain Sully landed a plane on a river.

AndrewBW said...

I don't believe in conspiracy theories for the simple reason that they take too many people to carry out. Sooner or later someone gets a case of conscience, or gets drunk and starts to brag, or has to let their girlfriend or boyfriend in on the secret, or has a deathbed conversion, or something.

As the theme song to Pretty Little Liars says, two can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

AngelBear said...

Will we ever know what happened? Surely if it is a conspiracy, someone will eventually talk...

Laura taylor said...

Tina thanks I love your comment,the other day I talked about kardashians in my sermon and my daughter said are you talking about the reality stars oh the good old days when kardahians were kardashians oh wait?

Snapdragon said...

Please give this a read. Good perspective, and answers lots of questions with science not speculation, including the 'ringing' cell phones.

Into The Twilight Zone: Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370

The Adventures of... said...

Totally agree. The story we've been fed makes no sense. And that seems to be the point

Anothergrayhare said...

Someone linked to this weeks ago on here, it's been a very interesting thread to follow for 6 weeks now.
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z12fubvgtzf4tler504ccbixjtvwjh5oymo0k?cbp=k7p646nh2vdw&sview=27&cid=5&soc-app=115&soc-platform=1&aa=ac&spath=/app/basic/106271056358366282907/posts&sparm=cbp%3D1a33iahpjoajt%26sview%3D27%26cid%3D5%26soc-app%3D115%26soc-platform%3D1#

gives good reasons why plane disappeared and there is no trace. I don't believe it landed anywhere, and really hope it didn't for the sake of all aboard, as that might be a fate worse than death in a plane crash.

Iknowpeople said...

@ Vera, there are some who believe that it was headed to Diego Garcia (U.S. military base in the middle of the Indian Ocean) and before it could land it was shot down by the U.S. military...if it had landed there, the U.S. govt would have returned the passengers to their home countries.

HRHKMiddz said...

Listen Jerkula, leave my grandmother in law out of this.

Vera L- said...

Wouldn't be the first time our government shot down a passenger plane...

skimpymist said...

Here's a joke: if a plane falls in the ocean and no one is around does it make a sound.

surfer said...

I have a hard time believing it landed somewhere. There's just no way, with all those people on board (never mind who might be on the ground), that word wouldn't get out. If you assume that most people on board had cell phones, and those people tried texting or calling someone, we would have heard by now.

And as someone mentioned upthread (Robert?), if it were terrorists, they would make damn sure we all knew it was them.

Are there submarines under water looking around? What about drones - surely they would be able to spot wreckage?

crila16 said...

Yeah...this thing didn't crash. There's absolutely no signs of that. No debris and no black boxes were working. A huge plane cannot just disappear into thin air. Something's up. The plane was hijacked and the people with it. I don't know what the reasoning behind it was though...but it's too suspicious...unless aliens.

I feel so horribly for the families. It's the not knowing that must be killing them.

Kristin (Wiglet) said...

That plane was not headed to Diego Garcia; people are trying to conjure crap up. Though DG has an airstrip, a plane that large would barely fit in that island. DG is smaller than most airports. Simple mathematics.

And there's no way a rogue plane flies into British territory and US military airspace and expect to land.

They lost cabin pressure, everyone passed out, and plane stayed on autopilot til it crashed in the ocean.

__-__=__ said...

Thanks for all the great links! And interesting theories.

texas rose said...

Much like your guesses Kristin- you are correct on this one.

feraltart said...

If I was an evil person, I would land the plane & keep quiet about it for months. Then you release footage. It would be about wasting the world's resources & mind f*cking them. You could really play a long game, wait for insurance to pay out death benefits & then give proof of life.

AppleThief4Elliot said...

Hairy speculation. Here, use my Occam's razor.

Alita said...

Robert, I agree with you about the conspiracy theory, and have been saying the same thing myself. The Malaysian government was running scared and handled it really poorly/ incompetently.

Alita said...

I'm no expert either @D Brown, just a big fan of Occam's razor.

Yes current dispersal - but there was also a massive cyclone out in the search area just after the crash.

Wouldn't have made it any easier.

Alita said...

Cardassians - racial epithet 'Cardies.'

The Kardashians are a whole 'nother level of alien.

Alita said...

Ahh a fellow fan of Occam's fine cutting implements. Kudos.

carol baker said...

I don't believe any of these conspiracy theories. That plane crashed into the ocean.

BeckyMae said...

I love how everyone has become such an expert on air crashes, ocean flows and the like since this tragedy happened..."The pinging that investigators once believed was from black boxes has now been classified as something else." Really Enty?? what is that 'something else?? I haven't read that anywhere and I've been keeping up with the latest.

Just face it peeps....WE.....MAY.....NEVER.....KNOW......

Erik said...

I still think it crashed. That area of the ocean is really, really deep and the plane may be at the way bottom by now, and it may never be found.

evie2345 said...

That's what I'm thinking too- it's been weeks, and the current and weather could have scattered stuff everywhere. Plus they've been all over the map with where they think the plane went, so they might not even be looking in the right area.
It is an interesting mystery, but I hope they're able to find something that would give the families closure.

sugarbread maker said...

i think we are getting fed crap
i think it was hijacked and they murdered / buried / burned/ the bodies and scrubbed the plane's id tail and are using it for running guns/ drugs off the radar at night.

selina kyle said...

Unless it was shot down by mistake and it has to be covered up now!

Danielle Williams said...

This was definitely a cover-up. We have satellites everywhere. Are you telling me, no satellite could have found where this plane was last seen, but a satellite can tell you what people were on a corner 3 days ago? I think the plane landed elsewhere. Someone important was on that plane. Where's Jack Bauer when you need him?

Alita said...

Dear me ...

I imagine people talking in the 16C, about how insane it is to consider the world may be round, given the ground is all flat like.

Andy Astrand said...

@Danielle & Others

There aren't any satellites that can tell you who was on a street corner. That's just Hollywood fantasy, satellites have nothing like that resolution.

The GeoEye satellite which is the highest res commercial satellite has a colour resolution of 64 inches per pixel. Even if the gubmint had 10x the resolution (which they aint) you still can't make out anything like a face.

And remember the more you zoom in the less you see. If you could zoom in enough to make out a face you'd have to check 200 billion pictures to cover the search area.

I'm personally not convinced it's where they are looking, I don't think they are either. But I'm sure they're trying their best.

If "someone important" was on that plane, who needed "taking", he wouldn't have made it onto it in the first place.

Trilby said...

+1

Trilby said...

+1

Slim Peachy said...

the only problem with it being used for other means is the simple fact that their are telemetry components on the plane that sync to satellites. They are needed for those parts to even work in the first place.

It is horrible that people are being led down this path which is not likely. Yes there is more to this than revealed. The plane was likely on military radars of both China and Australia. They WILL NEVER reveal this info as you don't tip your hat to the enemy about your military radar's range and capability. That info will remain secret.

That plane crashed in the water somewhere. Likely in an elaborate suicide for insurance by one of the pilots who knows as long as it wasn't found his family would be paid. Thus all the effort to hide it.

A phone ringing means nothing.