Today's MV Clue
No Four For Friday today because it would just end up getting caught up in all of this. The final clue for this anniversary week is MV was born in the United States.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 534 Newer› Newest»and Ja Rule is in the photos today?? I didn't get that far.... we all know he's featured with JLo on 'Ain't it Funny' and 'I'm Real'... kind of ironic titles, in this context, eh?
desertdweller,
Thanks for the info. Do you really think people in the music industry would be shaken to the core if it was revealed Jlo had help singing her songs? Nah. She is a NOBODY in the music industry. Of course, so am I, so what do I know. But I do know I could give a ____ if she faked it.
There's a good chance that Enty changed the time of this blind, so that opens up many possibilities.
This has to be someone SHOCKING. A music Diva. It must be Diana Ross. She has children and is divorced. She's born in the US and toured the world. It not difficult to imagine her being rude.
Could Barry Gordie be Guy and S one of the Supremes?
If Fox news solved it back in 2001 it might not be this BI. ;0
I still think it's a bigger name that can sing.
Anonymous at 4:27 PM....Of course it would shake the INDUSTRY if JLo is a fake. She WON awards. She was EVERYWHERE...she went way further than Milli Vanilli ever did. Any time a fake wins awards, that means something (because genuine talent may have been shut out). Note she never won a grammy.
And to point out again the long list of those connected with a fake JLo....PDiddy, Murder Inc., Benny Medina, Cory Rooney..Tommy Mottola, Sony Records...not to mention her features with Ja Rule, LL Cool J, and who else?
So while you think Jlo is a nobody in the industry,her associates certainly aren't.
i like the michael jackson guess..
but what about diana ross or aretha franklin or cher?
these super divas would TOTALLY shake up the music bizz.
I love this site and have been here from the start. I only rarely comment.
But here's what bugs me.Confidentiality agreements and lawyers? Very serious stuff. There is no way that a lawyer would give hints etc and let this masquerade be discovered on a high profile gossip blog.
Also suspicious is that Enty hasn't been outed. You KNOW Hollywood insiders would have figured out Enty's identity. If it IS Known, and I can't find anything online that says it is, then these "confidential" blinds would NEVER give enough info to allow it to be guessed or the lawyer (if Enty is one) would be in violation of the nondisclosure agreement.
Finally, I'm a writer and I teach writing; I have always said that it's totally obvious to a professional writer that this blog is written with a woman's sensibilities and style, not a man's.
Having said all this, I have as much fun as everyone else here, I love reading the blog and the blinds especially. This is a troublesome blind because if Enty leads us to an answer s/he could be fined, jailed, whatever. So....not sure what it's all about. But it IS fun and I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade tonight.
Middle Aged Diva you make some very good points. Maybe Enty just needed some attention. Anyway I've had fun playing the game. :)
And down goes Shania.
I hope it's not Britney just because I wouldn't give a damn. lol
I'm back to Janet Jackson and the Invisible Baby.
I have a few more J.Lo comments. Look at the pictures from the original blind. All feature the backside of a singer. She's known for her butt!
I also remember when Ben Affleck came out and said when he was w/ JLo he felt like his life was a sham - which was around the height of her career. I'd have to find the article.
NotOprah beat me to the punch, Lauren Hill's my guess.
The only person who would blow me away is Whitney.
I remember her version of the national anthem was recorded and not live.
Whitney for the win!
Middle-aged Diva-
You make a lot of sense...hmmmm.
WHITNEY HOUSTON!
Okay. I just read all of the comments - My head hurts now :)
AnnMarie - Your Michael comments were not deleted I saw them. And, wouldn't that be wild right?? But not sure about that.
I have totally been thinking Madonna all day. She toured a lot, but really did we have the technology in 1982 to pull this off?? Not sure...
Allison I watched your video I don't remember that song but this is what Wiki has to say about Regina.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_Richards
Crazy Stuff.
At this point I have no choice..JLo, Madonna, Brit Brit...It could be any of them...
It's Friday night, I have a Jameson's and Coke and I'm going drink it dammit :)
CHEERS!!
I've lurked here for years, and I've never posted, but like everyone, this one really makes me curious.
It's Britney.
The only arguments against it being Britney are (1) it wouldn't be that shocking, (2) she can sing to some extent (as evidenced by her childhood singing), (3) her singing voice sounds like her speaking voice, and (4) ENTY has says she's nice in the past.
However, (1) how "shocking" it would be is very subjective. To most people, I think that finding out would still be very shocking. Yes, everyone knows she lip syncs in concert, but finding out she didn't sing on her albums either would be shocking. Yes, she is not known for her singing, but finding out that an international "singer" was completely fake would be a much bigger story than Milli Vanilli. Remember too, people were making jokes about Milli Vanilli and lip syncing long before the story "broke"; it was well-known within the industry that they were fakes too... much like the Henry Rollins "reveal" has shown that it's known about Britney in the industry too. (I agree with everyone else; at this point, the only "shocker" that would truly "shock" us for the MV reveal would be someone like Whitney, Janet, or Madonna, but their info just doesn't match with the actual clues provided for MV.)
(2) Yes, she can sing somewhat. I think that it's going to be 90% someone else and 10% her voice. The fact that she wanted the "deal" to stop is likely evidence that she "can" do it, just probably not as well as S.
(3) People aren't COMPLETELY stupid. It's going to be some type of a 'mix' between Britney's voice and S's voice. Some lessons were learned from Milli Vanilli (to blend the voices better). The singers involved in the Milli Vanilli scandal did try to "match" the speaking voicesof Milli Vanilli to not make the difference between the two so great.
(4) Perceptions can change! ENTY has said negative things about Britney in the past AND he did say the positive thing about MV: that she did visit S in the hospital.
Again, it's BRITNEY!
I'm not sure if this is relevant, but I remember watching the BET awards where Whitney was singing I will always love you and she couldn't hit the high note in it, another girl came and sang that part for her at the live performance. When I read the blind I immediately thought of her!I can't find a clip of it, but when I do I will be sure to post it.
@Tricia.... lol..I too was looking at the chosen artwork. I was unable to find if the page presented today is the same as the cached version in 2006..but the chosen artwork is by artist Trish Biddle. The two prints featured are called Jazz Samba and Fever. The print "Fever" is also the program cover for the 2009 El Sueño De Esperanza Gala, hosted by Eva Longoria and George Lopez.
(yah, a latin connection, but I'm not reading anything into it...even though George Lopez is also in the random photos today! don't think EL would get that convoluted, would he?) or would he??
Anonymous... the main argument against Britney is he stated MV's second album did better than her first. Not true with Britney.
Is Enty grammar challenged, or is this a clue?
Wednesday, August 08, 2007
Diddy And J-Lo Was Fake
@ Mary L - Good fine!
I've been thinking more about S. How did the record producer find her and think of pairing her up with MV?
If it's J.Lo, do you think the connection could have been on the movie Selena? It says on Wiki that not all the songs recorded on the soundtrack were by Selena but does not give reference to another artist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Idv8w9MIFk
does it sound like JLO in the main verse? the loud chorus, maybe, but then she's singing with someone else.
@ christine8car - i don't think it's that far fetched that if Enty were looking for a picture he'd try to find a latineque image?!?!
I'm on the JLo train. But she does have gold records, right? At least for singles? I guess I'm not sure how that works.
Okay, I'm on the JLo train. Everything fits and I can totally see her being rude to the shadow singer.
I'm totally on the J.Lo train after that link. J.Lo has an entire fashion / perfume industry that would go downhill too, not just her "professional" career. I too think Enty's story about her looking down her nose at S sounds just like her. I was on the fence because of the "touring" but she has "toured" internationally making appearances and doing press. I'm convinced.
Too many people would know about this if it were Brit, but if Guy and S where the same person then the secret would be safe.
ITA that S is a man.
Add 3 letters to M(V) or subtract 3 from S and you get P!!!
I think Guy & S are Penn (Sean)
Madonna FTW!
I am on the Madonna train but...
JLo did not sing her part(s) when she played Selena in the movie about Selena. I remember a big deal was being made about her not singing and then after that she suddenly had a singing career and the questions were why didn't she do the actual singing in the movie. Anyone else remember that?
I don't really think it's Britney anymore. I went back and listened to some of her songs from her 1st two albums and her voice sounds terrible. Processed? Yes. Replaced. No. It's her. Computerized and auto-tuned to the best the producers could get it. I even remember some reviews from back then saying she may need some voice lessons....
I did the same with J-Lo, I could lean a little more towards her, but not convinced...
As much as I love Enty, I have to agree with Middle-Aged Diva and say I think this blind is completely made up - a work of fiction. I've looked at all the singers from the 90's and 2000's and no one fits. NO ONE. OK? There's no one that fits. There is not one artist that this blind could possibly be about. Sorry folks.
Sis,
I think it's JLO (or maybe Madonna) but aside from that, there's a good reason for JLO not to sing in the Selena biopic - coz it was to honor Selena, a singer. I can't imagine Selena's family or fans being ok with somebody else singing her songs.
You people that think this will ever be revealed on this blog crack me up. If it IS real (and who really knows?), do you really think an attorney is going to break attorney/client privilege just 'cuz we beg?
I love this site and have a GREAT time reading the blog and the comments, but geez folks! Our guesses are just that. If you think MV, Guy, S, etc., will ever be named on this site, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Everyone, he keeps referring to "guy" in the post. Obviously Guy Oseary, which means it is an "artist" from Maverick.
Ok this thing has given me too many headaches! & since searching the net and finding Ashanti (previous post I made) and reading everyone else's conclusion about Jlo I kinda came to the conclusion that Jlo is MV and Ashanti is S. Why because Jlo seems to fit the MV profile also because there is a ten year age difference between the two of them and Ashanti who sings like and angel could have been doing the voice over untill her career kicked off.
She is a very talented lady who also worked as a back up singer for Jlo ....anyway im running with that cause it might stop the headaches and the obsessive internet searching and thinking we are all being punk'd lmfo lol anyway its just a guess and here is a link so take a read what do think? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashanti_(entertainer) cheers everyone!
what about Toni Braxton?
Think! Think! Think! Oh I got! Wait... what were we talking about?
she has 2 kids, 2nd album bigger than 1st - numerous grammies & hundreds of tours and she & husband getting divorced- this would be bigger than JLo & Brit
I wonder if it's someone a little bit more minor like Liz Phair. She had a break between a few albums...and then returned with an entirely new sound.
For once I don't mind the naysayers here at all, because it's just a testament to how compelling this blind is that it draws so much interest, both positive and negative! Like so many others, MV was the blind that first brought me to CDaN, so I'm feeling all nostalgic... :)
OK, I'm completely on the JLo train. The hang-up seems to be the "tour" thing, but...
It was a vague comment. And I recall JLo performing all over the place (obviously lip-synching)--lots of sporting events.
And, couldn't "tours" also include press tours?? For her films??
Totally JLo.
http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-a/ashanti.htm
sorry here is another link i forgot to put up...
Both Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston are from the 1980's. Britney Spears is from the 90's. Honestly, I can't believe this is Britney. Would she really have someone lipsynch? The whole world has always been on the 'she doesn't sing that well' but she's an entertainer.
J Lo was early 2000's, and her Selena songs were obviously recorded by someone else, although she swears she sang them.
As stated previously, if this blind is true then the artist known as MV is obviously from the early 90's or the 80's. why? technology. What with the technology computer boom in the late 90's why would anyone need to use a completely different persons voice when they could use a computer and fiz the faults with it and just over-dub and mix? Especially since S recognized her voice, so its also someone with a dstinct voice that you would know the second you heard it.
This is not Madonna though, i am a fan and i came across someone who used to see her perform with her old band in the early 80s and it deffinatley is her voice. Besides, why go through all the trouble with a nobody, as she once was? I will also admit that while her voice is great to me, eh, so-so, nothing THAT special compared to a lot of others.
I am thinking someone from the 80s or early 90s who had connections, possibly a family member in the music biz, who someone would go through the trouble of this sort of cover up to either do a favour to the famouse person, a sycophant possibly, and find another singer.
Although if the time line is as is, then i say Jlo. Yeah, shes not as popular anymore, but she once was and just the fact that another milli vanilli happened would shake up the music world. It doesn't have to be because it was a big star who is a fake, just the cover-up aspects.
This blind isn't going to get solved for the fact that everyone is stuck on 2000 and 2001 when the blind states the dates were fudged and the months were vague.
As i said, technology. It would make sense from before the technology boom when you would have HAD to use another voice since technology was still blooming, if i am correct.
Also, this could be about some singer that was probably a 2 album/hit wonder, a B-lister at the time, but with a few hits, some run-of-the mill 80s singer.
Also, maybe S isn't necessarily an AMAZING singer, just that by saying shes a great singer, he could mean that it should have been her who should have been the star and not MV. I was listening to some Jlo and while i dont really care for her voice, its not THAT bad, not flinch worthy bad or anything, so it could still be her. I f she couldn't sing at all, then i can see them bringing in another person and then doing dubs and editing and such.
I don't want it to be BritBrit cause I like her and it wouldn't be that shocking, but a clue back from 2006 was that MV was going to give a interviews addressing personal issues. Britney did her infamous interview with Matt Lauer in 2006. I'm confused though because the voice sounds like her and the singing isn't great. She's always been know as an entertainer first and a singer second.
I still think it could be JLO. It seems like it sounds like her when she is singing but that can be tricky. In the intro to Two and Half Men it seems like you hear their voices, but it's not them. Also if you've ever seen Crybaby-Johnny Depp lip synchs to another and it seems like his voice.
I NEED to know this. It's consuming my life! LOL
i still say Toni braxton & enty had her photo up this week -
Toni Braxton does make some amount of sense - she was bankrupt for awhile, wasn't she? And then in 1999-2000 she put out the Heat.
A lot of albums.
A lot of music.
Second album sold better than the first.
Plus, according to wiki at least, Braxton sounded a bit like Anita Baker...and had a song that was written for Baker, who refused it, since she was pregnant at the time.
Plus, around 2006-2007, when MV was going to give an interview about personal problems in her life, Braxton was having issues with cancer, one of her sons having been found out to be autistic...
Granted, this means that the cover up may have started when she was with the Braxtons, or directly thereafter...
There are a lot of things that certainly do fit...
Its NOT Lauryn, Lauryn Hill has been singing since she was young, she even appeared on Showtime at the Apollo Theatre, although she got booed, she was in her early teens. She appeared in Sister Act 2 with whoopi and sang her heart out in that movie, Plus she was a singer/rapper while in the Fugees. Her voice is powerful, but sadly its been said she has a substance abuse problem (crack Like Whitney H.) so thats why people say her voice is shot. Sad.
Oh yeah, i see some people were wondering how S could not know some hot shot producer and it also ties in to why i think this is an 80/early 90s singer.
It would be plausible that she not know his name if, of course, he did all the producing and recording, gave a fake name etc... so noone would find out.
Also, seeing as not everyone had the internet back then, and papparazzi weren't as crazy, it would be forgiveable for someone to either not know a name, since its not like they could have sat at the computer and look at pictures and know every detail about "Guy."
I think this MV has a famous family member, or knew a hot shot producer, probably dated, and the hot shot producer could have discovered S at a club or something.
MV is most likely really famous, or at least had famous songs to be played on the radio, and most likely in heavy rotation if S just happened to switch the radio on and hear her DISTINCTIVE voice.
So i guess any single (song) that went gold. Which makes me wonder, if a single is selling that much, that MV could have just had the "one" big hit and fillers. Not enough "great" songs for just the cd to sale millions.
maybe MV had moderate success with her first cd and then a smash hit with her second cd to garner a gold status single.
youtube has tons of live intl performances from j-lo.
Looking at some of these, you forget just how popular she was. I could definitely see this as being her, worth the risk.
This was the beginnings of her "brand" : acting/music/fashion/fragrance
Torn between JLo and Whitney...
No way is this Britney. She doesn't come across as being so mean and snobby that she'd really care about what S looked like (remember her & Kevin's reality show with the not so attractive Personal Assistant? She seemed completely unaware of the PA's unattractiveness). And as if the Mouse would add a cute kid who can't sing when there are plenty cute kids who can sing.
@Tricia maybe you were looking for this? http://www.celebitchy.com/59887/ben_affleck_jlo_made_me_feel_suffocated_miserable_and_gross/
@Middle-Aged Diva (can I call you MAD for short?) I keep thinking the same thing, only different. Maybe Enty is more than 1 person? I'm intrigued as to "his" real identity but what keeps me coming back is the entertainment value.
braxton has a very distinctive voice - I am on the braxton train...
it's totally j-lo. the choruses to all of her popular songs are in no way her.
remember "unbreak my heart" was HUGE - maybe gold....
It's not Whitney. Read what El writes at the end of this post about Jennifer Hudson singing the national anthem @ the Superbowl
Has Toni Braxton ever been divorced/separated? I believe that's one of the clues for this BI.
Oops, forgot the link:
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2009/02/jennifer-hudson-and-national-anthem.html
I cast my final vote for J.Lo.
She puts out two albums in two years, both huge. Then a remix album, and that Jenny from the Block nonsense in 2002. Then she disappears for three years.
Then comes Rebirth which had one hit and then fell off the charts like a stone. Then suddenly, she's singing in Spanish. Why? Then she comes back in 07 with Brave, which despite having Ryan Tedder and JR Rotem goes NOWHERE. Hell, they filmed a video for the title track and didn't even release it.
As for touring, she has toured a lot but most of it overseas.
As for the other clue about the "coordinator" making this all happen, Benny Medina? He's fairly well known by people in the industry but a studio singer wouldn't know who he was.
Lastly, if J.Lo was such a great singer, why has she never sung in any of the movies she has been in? Mariah Carey, Beyonce, Britney, etc. all appear in films where they sing. In fact roles are written so that they can sing in a movie. But J. Lo, no singing.
Do you honestly think no one has ever asked? I'm sure they have, so why would she say no? And before someone says, "She sang in Selena," no she didn't. That was all lipsynch to Selena's voice.
Her attitude, her splotchy career, the fact she fits all of the clues, and the fact that Enty despises her all lead me to believe it's J.Lo.
I will be shocked if it isn't.
Also why it could be Jlo is that her ex seems to be coming out with a lot of dirt about her.
Maybe he knows shes a fraud and might say something so ENT is feeling a little safe with his other clues.
Why would ENT give clues about MV of all people, around this new JLO scandle.
And trust, you have to admit, if JLO came out as a fraud there would be a shitstorm. And all of her hot shot producers would be tailed, and diddy and anyone she ever did a duet with and even A-list actors she was in movies with. This is the storm it would cause. Everyone would also question other singers and be even more vicious to singers who use backing tracks, and those singers would be paranoid.
Yeah, some people on here wouldn't be surprised, but we CDAN readers are a minority.
Jlo, if its a 2000 singer. Or someone from the 80's/early 90's, for the technology thing.
Yes she has.
http://showhype.com/story/exclusive-toni-braxton-separates-from-husband/
Very recently, in point of fact.
http://www.essence.com/entertainment/breaking_news_1/exclusive_toni_braxton_separates_from_hu.php
That link might be better, actually.
i'm also intrigued by enty's real identity the more i think about this blind. he says all the time that he has blinds he can't post because there are so few people who know about them that he would be easy to identify were he to post them.
doesn't it seem like the people who would know about this would be a verrrrry small group? if the blind isn't total bs, this couldn't be someone like britney, jlo, whitney, and certainly not madonna who have pr machines in full gear all the time.
BUT if the michael jackson guess were correct then it would be fathomable that since mj just died enty might one of, if not the only, the only members of that group still alive?
mj or not, i think it has to be someone who was big before the 90's, maybe even farther back than the 80's...someone who is old enough that the other people implicated in this are not a threat to enty, otherwise i just don't think if this blind is legit he would be posting it.
Anon @ 7:41 makes a very good general point. Something had to have occurred recently that made EL resurrect this BI, be it concerning JLo or whoever else.
On another note, maybe next week EL will give more clues to Coke Mom :D
Hmmm Brooklyn, that is another good reason as to why MV could be from the 80's/early 90's, heck even from the 60's (if Ent wasn't the real lawyer, but said he was to fudge some info.)
If the producer involved is dead and some others, or just too old to read gossip, then i can see why ENT would even post this blind.
Or maybe ENT is just a badass and noones going to stop him, since he has some good blackmail haha.
MV
~ Several CDs, top 40 songs
~ Second CD sold better than the first
~ Payments for S stop....turns out the manager has been "playing some shell games with the money between the record company, MV's earnings and MV's investments and just did not have any additional money"
~ Has children, seperated
~ Was going to discuss issues around 2006/2007
Braxton
~ Several CDs, top 40 songs
~ Second CD sold better than the first
~ Goes bankrupt, Braxton sues former manager Barry Hankerson, "for $10 million, alleging "fraud, deception and double dealing," in addition to mismanaging her relationship with Arista Records. According to Braxton, Hankerson placed his own personal financial interests ahead of hers by using "double-talk" to compromise the relationship between Braxton and her former recording label, Arista Records, with Hankerson allegedly telling Arista that "Braxton no longer wanted to record for Arista" and telling Braxton that "Arista was not interested in working with her anymore." Braxton also accused Hankerson of failing to send her on request copies of accounting statements, lying about deals that he made on her behalf and engaging in a vendetta against her by refusing to provide information to other managers that she sought to employ to manage her career." [wikipedia]
~ Has children, recently seperated
~ had a breast cancer scare in 2006, found out her son was autistic in 2007
Granted, listening to Toni's voice...she's sounded the same for a long while now....but if it's something that's happened from the 90's till now, there's no reason that auto-tone and fudging in the studio can't fix with with today's tech. And listening to "Yesterday", from her forthcoming album with an all-new record company for her - Atlantic - she does sound a little different...a little weaker, I think. Her voice doesn't sound as strong.
I don't know, I'm pretty firmly on the Toni Braxton train.
i see your point with Toni Braxton, but didn't she just have a show in Vegas?
also, here's a video of her singing live. sounds pretty live to me?
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_enUS322US322&hs=jip&q=toni+braxton+live&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=xiz-SoT4PKSltgf31cSRDg&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBAQqwQwAA#
Amit! - also she is known to be a diva/bitch...I was thinking about this bv & unbreak my heart came on...so i checked wiki and the clues fit. Has anyone ever seen her live? she did Vegas, but that could be pre-recorded..(
I think it could still be Britney because when the MV post was made on Monday, it stated, "Here is what the post looked like almost three years ago..."
If this had come out back then as Spears being MV, it would've shocked me. Although I've never been a fan or avid follower of hers, she was a household name. Her music was always on the radio, she had commercials, you heard about her and Timberlake on various channels before this time, KFed, babies, a fragrance, there was the infamous kiss with Madonna, and the breakdown. I'm not sure how long it's been since the breakdown, but I think it's been at least a couple years. So, I could see how that might have been part of that erratic experience for her. How would you feel if you were caught up in this huge money making machine and you knew you weren't all that? I would probably have a bit of a flip out, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Lopez
http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-l/jenniferlopez.htm
oh again I forgot to add the Jlo links for you...cheers
Oh - and my husband and I think some of these songs released off Brit's new album suck. The lyrics just repeat over and over like one liners packed with a lot of electronica bs. AS IF that would cover up the fact the songs suck.
What about Jewel?
I'm going to have to chime in with Anonymous re: the threat to enty. If this was someone major who is living, then I can't imagine he'd continue to throw out clues or promise a reveal. This has to be someone who has passed away or for some other reason isn't a threat. Even though I've been on the Madonna train, she seems like the type of person who could and would totally destroy someone who turned on her.
So it must be Michael or it's made up or it will never be revealed. Or enty has something even bigger on her! Maybe he helped her bury some bodies!
Jewel doesn't have any children.
It's early, I'm not well, so I thought I'd trawl though the site and have a look for the MV. I'm pretty sure we can rule out Britney. This was posted on November 27 2006 or around that date - I never understand how the dating on the site works. Anyway, it's in the comments section posted at 8.44am:
"I don't recall ENT Lawyer stating he is friends with Britney. Please direct me to that post."
Ok. Posted on November 14:
"I need to start off by saying that I think Britney is a great person and one of the funniest people I have ever met. The other thing is that she is very intelligent..love makes people blind and she got suckered by K-Fed plain and simple..but as a businesswoman she knows what she is doing and when I have dealt with her, she has been incredible."
Posted on November 25:
"Some of you have guessed a certain person and I make very clear in another entry that she is a really good friend of mine and therefore could not be the correct guess. Also, she reads the blog, so be nice. lol"
What do you guys think?
lmao@ Big Fat Puff. Then EL would be an accessory after the fact. I think the key to this is S. Someone who is not the Hollywood ideal of a beauty but has undeniable talent. That's another reason why I don't think it's Britney. Because S would Cathy Dennis, who is well-known in the U.K. and among industry insiders in the U.S. Cathy Dennis is an attractive woman, not someone who would fit into the vague description of S.
I actually thought Diana Ross for a while there. Guy Chambers did her 2001 album Love and Life, although to be honest, I don't know if everything else fits...
Looks like the Shania Train derailed while I was at work. I knew my Shania would never do such trickery. Shania <3
I'll push my chips to J-Lo being the culprit. Such a shame, cause I love her too. I can just see them thinking, after the 'Selena' movie that J-Lo could be a new star.
If it's someone from way back when who's gone now...
Eartha Kitt had a distinctive voice, was divorced, has at least one child, was seemingly everywhere, and passed away recently.
I just don't think it's her, though...or anyone from that far back.
I'd go late 80's as the earliest for this thing, I think, if it turns out to not be Braxton, J. Lo, or Britney.
the one thing that i thought of was the Guy seeing S to sing in 2000 or so. In 2000 Mariah Carey was starting to crack up and in 2001 she had her very public breakdown and time in a psychiatric hospital. She was also hospitalized for several days in 1998 for "food poisoning". Maybe she had a breakdown because she lost her voice and had to use S?
Just my 2 cents...
No one would give a shit about Lauren Hill. She's done.
I have a hard time believing it's Brit. This took place in 2006. She was pregnant at the time with Jayden and her marriage was deteriorating. Ted C ran a blind on how depressed she was. MV was hostile and arrogant according to Ent. Britney's career was stalled in 2006 and she was a mess.
JLo at that point was on a downswing, so I can see her being pissy.
Alright last guess:
Bob Seger/Silver Bullet Band
OR
The chick who sang about the 99 balloons
@ Utah Jem pointed out earlier though "I don't think "S" has to be unattractive. I think the clue was that she didn't have "the look" and ent said in the very first MV post "So a meeting was arranged in my office and S and MV finally met face to face..they had never done so, even though it was S who made MV a star..MV was rude to say the least when she saw what S looked like and it really upset me although S being her normal classy self could have cared less.."
so this could possibly mean S was an attractive person and MV was surprised? I know just another thought
JAY sweet'n LOW.
I think anyone who thinks the voice on JLo's early hit cd's is the same as what she's coming out with now NEEDS to listen to her new street jam 'fresh out the oven' on youtube. Now this is JLo singing, notice how horrible it is?? Clearly S was someone who JLo could convincingly pass off as her own voice...but THIS is JLo's real voice (it's awful!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARSQt2Xh84w
Oh my god, christine8car, that song sucks.
HARD.
My ears feel assaulted, lol.
I really like J. Lo for the blind, but I think I still stand by Toni Braxton over her.
J. Lo IS my second choice for this, though.
Toni Braxton performed on Broadway years ago (Beauty and The Beast), as well as her Vegas show so this can't be her. I could see how this *may* have been pulled off in Vegas, but not Broadway.
Julia.... I have to think when EL write's S 'didn't have the look'.... that's a euphemism for S obviously being overweight. When Jennifer Hudson came along on AI, Simon Cowell butchered her for that. Jennifer Hudson broke new ground in the looks-oriented decade that's just passed, in 2001 it would be unheard of for a 'heavy' girl to make it big. (And Jennifer Hudson DID lose weight, didn't she, to buy in) That's why S was resigned to being in the background.... she's obviously overweight. Wish we could find a lead on her, but nowhere can I find JLo's back up singers..
and this is going back in the posts, but Tricia, you're right....it's not farfetched that EL would chose artwork of a woman showing her backside (Jlo, anyone?)...and there is the Latino connection with that artwork. A subtle clue, but that's all he can do, isn't it.
Amit! I know! that's what I thought.. it is clearly someone singing who is not even a very good singer, hitting some bad notes there, ouch....(JLo on her own now, no S this time)
I don't have a guess but I want to make some comments.
Enty said he was fudging the dates. I think we should be looking for a 5 to 10 maybe 15 year shift not 1 or 2.
S is or was a working session player working in the LA area. Suggest by her going to Enty unless Enty is misleading us about where he is based.
GUY is unknown to S so I think we can guess that he and MV are East Coast based.
I don't like the JLo guess because at least in my social circle she was alway thought to be completly manufactured so this would surprise no one.
i've read this blog for a while but never commented. this blind sounds so much like a bad movie i saw a few years ago while getting my hair done. in the movie a music producer met a suburban housewife at a bar on karaoke night and is blown away by her singing. he asks her to sing some demos and she does because she just wants something to do. the rest of the movie plot follows enty's blind. the real singer hears her song on the radio but it's credited to a new pop star. the bratty and untalented pop star is pissed when she finds out that her songs were dubbed by a mousy suburban housewife. the real singer quits when she realizes what is going on but the producer needs her when the pop star goes on tour after her album gets popular. yadda, yadda, yadda the real singer gets her time in the spotlight after helping out with the tour.
i never found out the name of the movie but i always thought it gave an insight into what goes on in the music industry. the pop star in the movie was a britney-like character. the movie looked liked it was made post-2000.
i know this doesn't help with figuring out who mv is and as several posts have made clear "shadow singers" aren't anything new in the music industry. if anyone remembers that movie i'd love to know the name of it. it's a perfect lazy weekend movie and i've been looking for it since that day at the salon.
btw, i was on the shania train but now it looks like brit-brit or j-lo. i don't think it's christina a. or mary j just because of performances where they sang a-capella (snl for christina and the yankees world series game for mary j)
Enty says S "does not really have that "look" which would make her a star". I think this has to mean she wasn't very (conventionally) attractive, not just that she doesn't have the right look to sing MV's songs.
I can kinda sorta see MV being J.Lo, but my problems with this guess are:
1. Ashanti is known to have ghost sung at least one song, and she's not considered unattractive (and has the right look for J Lo's music). And J Lo had met her before... so she can't be S. Why would J Lo need Ashanti if she had a regular ghost singer in S?
2. J Lo's recorded voice is mediocre. Now I don't agree J Lo, Brit et al wouldn't be shocking simply because no one thinks they are good singers - any big star pulling this off for a long time would be a shock. BUT what I don't get is where the need for S comes in at all, when the mediocre end result is easily achieved with their own voice, some studio magic and maybe some bolstering from a back-up singer who only has to put in an average effort herself.
3. The tour thing. Maybe not by itself, but in combo with other doubts, it seems like there are too many factors against J.Lo.
I like the Toni Braxton guess. I agree it's someone like her that was known as a voice and/or got critical acclaim. Faith Hill has come up a few times... is there any reason it can't be her? (I'm sure someone has the youtube clip to prove she can sing, lol).
Googling this blind, this comes up...
"What about Faith Hill? I remember a few years ago, my sister's friend (who works in the music industry) that Faith Hill has a horrible voice and always.."
Don't know what comes next cause the comments are gone from the site, and there is no cache :(
I find it very intriguing Faith Hill had vocal chord surgery before her 2nd album. Perhaps S was meant to be a temporary arrangement, to keep MV's momentum going, but she never got her voice back?
LOL, Anon...I've seen that movie, too. I believe it's called 'Out of Sync'. IMDB says it's aka 'Lip Service'.
LOL! I've seen that movie too!
I totally forgot about it, omg.
Although I do see some of the points with Toni Braxton, I do have a few problems with it
1 - Broadway/Vegas appearances would require live performances. No way this could have been kept a secret with an ensemble like that
2 - I can't think of any commercials she was in. Enty specifically states she was in commercials. The only thing that comes up when I google it is as a spokeswoman for autism. I didn't do too much work though so there could be more but just trying to make the clues work with her.
For the J-Lo guess, I don't think Ashanti was S. I think S was somebody different, maybe a connection through the Selena movie. Also, S had breast cancer in July of 2006 or 2007 I think so it can't be Ashanti.
@mrs. george glass and @amit, thanks for the title info. that movie was the first thing i thought of when i read the blind. that situation must often or someone knew about this mv situation and just had to get it out there.
christine8car also look at the artwork on wikipedia for the selena soundtrack -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selena_(soundtrack)
look familiar?!?!
I think it's Alvin (The Chipmunks)
and Simon is "S".
The big clue here is "GUY".
It has to be David Seville.
He controls the money!
MV - Britney Spears
S - Aleese Simmons
Guy - Max Martin?
haha @ Nosey Parker! ☺
@ Tricia... hmm, that does throw a spanner in the works for Braxton. I agree there is no way S is Ashanti. It's just some people were saying that link revealing Ashanti sang 'I'm Real' (ahem) solved the blind.
To be convinced it's J.Lo, I'd really need someone to explain to me why they also needed Ashanti to sing, and why they'd risk letting another person know J.Lo can't sing (well).
Just watched a Britney marathon on TV - no way is it her. So much multi-tracking, backing singers brought to the fore, auto-tune etc, etc and still her vocals are clearly thin/weak. Anyway, as many have said, the 2nd album sales rules her right out.
Tricia! I see that! well, that's not a coincidence, is it? Either that, or we are giving EL waaay too much credit for subtlety. That is genius! But then, look at the random photos today...Eva Longoria (connected to the one print, ...as is George LOPEZ), below her George Lopez in the photos...then Ja Rule. That's a lot of coincidence without saying a word.
I'm sticking with the Michael Jackson guess.
Also-
Ruling out Toni Braxton because she did Broadway and concerning her AND JLo, while it is completely subjective how people would react, I think all the mechanics involved in "fixing" people's voices has been around long enough that, sadly, nobody expects that much from anyone on their own. Therefore, Jennifer Lopez or Toni Braxton not singing their songs wouldn't "blow up the music industry and shake it to its core." Someone who's been around since BEFORE this kind of stuff was regularly done WOULD shock people.
Michael would shock people.
Mrs. Glass... I think Ashanti only came into play when the track involved a Murder Inc. property, Ashanti was a Murder Inc. property and the tracks were with Ja Rule. This was an accepted ghost voice.. Ja Rule probably knew about it. But, he didn't know about S, S did the rest.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29257,00.html
J-Lo Is No Milli Vanilli, Says Backup Singer
dated july 11, 2001
lol lol i just found this trying to find out who are some of Jlo's backup singers
Allison....Madonna's voice has definitely changed over the years, but it's a natural maturation combined with finally learning how to sing properly. When she first started out, she was singing in her throat which made her sound a little like Minnie Mouse. She sounded pretty similar to that until she did "Evita" (by the way, do you really think she could be part of such a large, media-hyped movie if it wasn't her singing?). When she got the part, she got a classical voice coach and started singing from her diaphragm. Same voice, different technique.
With the JLO guess and that article mentioning Ashanti....have any of you folks actually SEEN Ashanti? Girl is stunning. Not to mention that she's had a few hits of her own...she has the chance to make it on her own.
I'm still going on Whitney....again, Enty says MV has a decent voice on her own and the whole reason S was chosen was because she sounded like MV, just better. She also tends to just stand on stage and sing, which would eliminate all those pesky extras on stage who might pick up on the fact that she's not really singing.
Sorry, but I just don't think it's JLo or Britney, in all their songs- from the beginning, sound the same and also sounds like THEIR voices, just autotuned. And if they were going to completely fake their singing, you'd think they'd find a better voice.
I like the Faith Hill guess, always had her in the back of my mind. Her or Brandy. Definitely NOT Macy Gray, her singing voice sounds exactly like her regular voice.
And all you guys can complain about the hint, but it got over 300 comments! Glad Shania is ruled out, From This Moment is my swoony teeny bopper song from back in the day.
@Julia - that's the link I was referring that some people had said solves this blind, but doesn't because Ashanti can't be S.
@christine8car - I can sorta see how that might work. I'm trying to imagine what the excuse might have been... "Jennifer's voice doesn't quite suit this song" or "a mix of voices would make the most of this song"?
This is probably absurd, but could Ashanti be MV? Maybe she planted the story about being the real "I'm Real" singer to make herself sound legit. Haha...OK I'm not even buying it myself :D. Delirium setting in at this point.
And I TOTALLY thought it was Ashanti, but she was never married (that i know of) nor is she a baby mama (that i know of).
wow Mrs George Glass I havnt seen that link on here, I just kept laughing....I guess it blows my theory out of the water lmfao oh well Lmfao.......
Majik, we don't think Ashanti is S. We know Ashanti assisted JLo on some tracks. But the fact that rumor was even raised then... it's like someone got it part-way right. The story was obviously out there, Ashanti came up and then no one looked any further into it. Had they, they may have found Ashanti was not the reason JLo was suggested to be a Milli Vanilli...
Where does EL say MV has a decent voice on her own? must be getting too late for me, I don't recall that he said that...
Hi, longtime lurker here...love the site and comments :)
If the years are fudged a few decades, what about Sheryl Crow as S? She did commercial (jingle) work early on in her career, sang back up for a lot of (more) famous singers, and had breast cancer in the early 2000s (2006?). I know it's assumed that S didn't have "the look" and while I personally think Sheryl was/is attractive, she did look quite different early on before the blonde hair...
http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/onion_imagearticle2128.jpg
Mrs. Glass, no excuse necessary. Murder Inc. did the mixing on those Ja Rule tracks (with Ashanti)... they would have just said this is how it's going to be, it's done all the time. But they probably didn't expect it to come out...
hehe... delirium coming from need to solve this blind but it seeming unsolvable.
I just took the drastic step of forcing myself to watch some J.Lo videos :P. I dunno, I can't see it being her now. Someone pointed out she doesn't sing her choruses, and that's obvious... it's very much like Cathy Dennis doing the chorus of 'Toxic'. In 'Toxic' you can hear Britney very faintly, not mixed in, but more like she becomes the backing vocalist. Same with J.Lo in her choruses. In the verses, she is of course autotuned and sometimes there is multitracking of her own voice to pad it out. And her voice still sounds thin, not to mention exactly the same as her speaking voice. IMO the choruses are not enough for her to be MV, especially since her voice is separately audible in the choruses, not mixed in.
And I just realised Faith Hill is probably ruled out... wasn't she in the middle of singing when she berated that audience member for groping her husband's balls? LOL.
@Master - interesting... any idea who you think MV might be then?
Could it POSSIBLY be Gwen Stefani?
@ Mrs George Glass
No....no idea :(
Madonna keeps popping up in my mind (maybe because of her icon status?), but I highly doubt Enty, or anyone for that matter, would mess with Madge and her expensive lawyers
This is Madonna. I know this for a fact. Can't say anymore.
It can't be Britney. (1) been performing since childhood (2) clearly the same singing and speaking voice (3) no one thinks she has a fantastic voice, we all know it needs studio tweaking and she lip-syncs. Doesn't MV's substitute singer have a great voice?
WH's anthem WAS prerecorded, there are many sources.
Again, it is interesting that AB does not include her version on her own website. You have to hunt for it and then it is labeled with WH's name, not hers.
I just think she cant hit certain notes or hit them with enough power and that is apparent going way back. There are many parts of footage where she looks down or away when these parts hit.
Anyway, look at the bright side. Maybe some of these other people will get more attention as a result of all of this interest.
The answer could be something as simple as a back-up singer taking over the chorus (uncredited duet).
If you weren't around for Timmy/Shimmy, the answer wasn't earth shattering, and the clues were not straightforward.
And S isn't necessarily large, she could just be much older than MV...Breast cancer is more common in older women.
Rickey Minor American Idol had a hand in these anthem productions.
Maybe there's hope for me on American Idol. LOL
HA!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/14/arts/television/14char.html?ex=1326430800&en=64b9f20a43a6b149&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Back in Los Angeles, he was working in the pit of the musical “Dreamgirls” when he received a career-changing call from John Simmons, then music director for the singer Stephanie Mills. Mr. Simmons asked him to put together a band to back a singer from his church who was seeking a record deal. That singer turned out to be Whitney Houston.
Mr. Minor’s tenure as music director for Ms. Houston — at a time when she routinely topped the pop charts — led to more concert, recording, film and television work as a music director and co-producer. His credits include “VH1 Divas Live,” the BET Awards and anniversary celebrations for Motown Records and the Apollo Theater. He received an Emmy nomination for music direction in 2005 for “Genius: A Night for Ray Charles,” a concert tribute featuring Elton John, Stevie Wonder and Norah Jones.
world tours.
http://www.tv-gossip.com/wiki/Rickey_Minor
WOW - so many comments, so many good guesses... I dont know what leg to stand on.
Here's an "S".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=JP&hl=ja&v=ab3KMsA8L28
Town Bike....oh well that just solves it then, doesnt it? :P
Anyone who thinks this is Michael Jackson needs to go take a nap - it is completely rediculous to try and somehow link this to him just because he has died. For this to be Michael, ent would have to have hanged the gender of the subjects,CONSIDERABLY changed the timeline, and would have lied about him brokering the deal between MV and S because Ent is not old enough to have done this.
On Britney - the personal interview that Britney did with Matt Lauer was first aired on June 15. Ent's comment about the upcoming interview was posted in November of 2006 so this cant be the supposed MV interview.
On the original blind - When I click on the tags I cant seem to find the original post about 'S' having cancer, just a post referencing that post. I also cant find Ent mentioning that MV has done commercials. The only comment about commercials I can find is that 'S' was a moderately successful studio singer who had done jingles etc.
i know whitney houston has blamed her drug use as the reason that her voice isn't anywhere what is used to be.... but cold it be that it's because she no longer has someone singing her songs for her and she is trying to do it herself now?
I just wanted to point out that the second album S sang on did better than the first. That dos not necessarily mean it was MV's first album all together.
Whoa I just went to look up Jennifer Lopez posts to see what Enty had to say about her in the past and she does not have any tags on the site. Interesting/...
Not to poo-poo your guesses of Jennifer Lopez, however, I challenge you to prove me wrong! The BI states “This involved literally millions of CD’s and HUNDREDS of CONCERTS all over the world”. You have the millions of CD’s correct – She has sold over 48 million albums worldwide. But when you google “jennifer lopez concert tours” or something of the sort, this is what you will find (taken from the 1st page of links generated)….
*”The Latin star was supposed to hold her concert in Sofia on May 2, as part of the tour promoting her latest album “Rebirth”, but she delayed the gig for May 23. Afterwards she cancelled the tour, leaving thousands of disillusioned fans in Mocow, Dubai, Mumbai, Athens, Baku and Thessaloniki. (Posted on 15 May 2006)”
*”On July 24, 2007 Billboard magazine reported that Lopez and husband Marc Anthony would “co-headline” a worldwide tour called “Juntos en Concierto” starting in New Jersey on September 29.[29] Tickets went on sale August 10. The tour was a mix of her current music, older tunes and Spanish music. In a later press release, Lopez announced a detailed itinerary. The tour launched September 28, 2007 at the Mark G. Etess Arena (New Jersey) and ended on November 7, 2007 at the American Airlines Arena in Miami, Florida” (from wikipedia). What “world tour” lasts only 41 days?
*Oh wait for it…”Juntos En Concierto” tour with Marc in 2007 – 13 cities in USA, 1 city Canada(Toronto)…that’s considered the world?
*I also came across this petition, pleading JLo to do a world tour,http://www.petitiononline.com/jlotour/petition.html
So where are the “hundreds of concerts all over the world”?
People this isn't Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson started to sing when he was 5. In his concerts he change the songs up so much some times that it sounds nothing like the original.
It's Madonna, I thought Janet, But it has to be Madonna.
For people who consider this Michael Jackson?
and somewhere in the blinds MV was considering a revealing interview. Maybe the Martin Bashir interview?
That interview was in 2003. He said MV was doing an interview in 06, 07.
Could it POSSIBLY be Gwen Stefani?
No way. I've seen Gwen live many times. No lip syncing there. It's all Gwen.
MV= Madonna (Louise) Veronica?
Ok after a night of thinking about this freaking bi, there are reasons to be added to the very good ones previously mentioned that can eliminate Madonna as MV.
I did think it was odd Regina & Madonna sound alike on that song but that could just be due to similar vocals and using the same music producer, Stephen Bray.
There have been numerous books, t.v. specials, etc. done on Madonna's rise to stardom. A good majority of these docs/unauthorized bios have been downright nasty. There's the whole thing w/underage latin boys among many other items of dirt.
If it really were not her voice on those '80's albums, someone investigating would have found out something by now. A story like this would equal huge $$$$ so I don't think a person looking for dirt would keep quiet about this. Especially with a name as huge as Madonna.
Anyhoo...after reading all the comments, I'm kinda leaning towards Jenifer Lopez. But I do think a good way to find an answer to this bi is to figure out the identity of "S". But finding out her identity is probably going to be next to impossible.
tags are listed under j-lo i think
Oh snap, I think budford might have solved this.
It's not Britney. It doesn't take a genius to sing the 3 notes that are in each of her songs. Radar...c'mon. Really? You think that song is brilliant singing. It's absolute cr--. This is about a singer that would shatter the music world. It's also already a known fact that came out a year or two ago that one of Britney's back up singers sings the higher notes for Brit in her music. It's no secret. Britney sings (or actually speaks) most of her songs. JLo is no singer and has videos singing live on You Tube...and Janet has been singing since she was a little girl on "Good Times". People...let's think outside of the box. Think of someone with a voice. Anyone who hasn't publicly been seperated (JLo wasn't publicly or legally separated from Chris Judd or her other ex) She just left him for Ben A and served him divorce papers. Janet has never been married (except her secret marriage in the 80's which was anulled after 7 days.) Janet also doesn't have children.
...and it's most definitely definitely NOT Madonna. That woman had to take voice lesson for Avita, because the director was frustrated that she couldn't hit the high notes. She worked super hard for that role. Her speaking voice and singing voice are also identical. IDENTICAL. Plus...Madonna's been around since the 1980's. The singer in question is someone from the late 90's who hasn't put out an album lately. MV only has about 4 or 5 albums out. Madonna has a bunch of albums out.
Brit Brit is still on tour by the way...so it most definitely can't be her.
If MV does't sing her own music, and it's a big hush hush, no one knows...not even the music label...then don't you think it would impossible for her to do a duet with someone? If she did, then the other artist she sang the duet with would know.
PRINCESS STEPHANIE OF MONACO. Going along with Anonymous at 7:07 pm, the 80s/90s have to be the timeline b/c of technology and family connections are likely. The first and second album numbers don't match up (5 million for first, 2.5 million for second) but I still think it's a possibility. (Enty had to have fudged some facts to not get sued). Also who believes Stephanie actually recorded well???
I think this blind item is true but the answer is someone obscure in the music industry like Stephanie. Like the Timmy/Shimmy blind when people were guessing Katherine Hepburn and the reveal was less than startling.
She also recorded as "Mystery Girl" on MJ's album Dangerous.
Never mind my Princess Stephanie guess. She was obviously not born in the U.S. Sorry but I wouldn't be surprised if she had a lot of help recording or did something similar.
Britney would be so unsurprising as no one respects her as a vocalist anyway....
It might be surprising in the sense that...why bother bringing another artist in as the voice? In my opinion, the vocal were always weak and overproduced/autotuned up the wahoo.
@Anon 7:26:
Good point -- just trying to throw something out there besides the obvious, but I think you're right. Damn this BI, it's driving me crazy!
And for the Liz Phair guess, it's not her. She just sounds different because her first albums (Juvenalia and Exile on Guy) were recorded using four-tracks without much production, and her latest was a very "studio" produced album that was an attempt to get a pop hit.
I think Budford has me convinced about WH...
I really thought it was JLo, but after a night of pondering I'm leaning toward Whitney.
This thread is so long I can't read al the comments. Has anyone mentioned that Madonna's last husband's name is Guy?
I never thought it was her since she was based out of NYC when she came out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wRfrUy6_9g
JLo sings a lullaby in the middle of this interview. I don't think it sounds like her regular "singing" voice. What do you guys think?
This is NOT Britney - I wish everyone would stop bringing her up. She was on StarSearch and MMC, two shows that would not put her on there if she couldn't actually sing.
I don't get how a singer like Christina Aguilara or Whitney could be the answer to this. They have sung live so many times, how could so many people involved keep that secret? Additionally, they have been on specials like VH1 Divas, singing along with people we know can sing, like Chaka Khan and Aretha.
Second, I don't think that throwing people out because they aren't known to be great singers and that their fans wouldn't care if they were fake is not logical. I think most people would be bothered and resentful of someone who didn't sing but got paid huge money as a SINGER.
I don't know who it is, but my money's on someone who isn't a great singer, is known to lip sync and tries to concentrate on other career aspects.
Taking all of that into account, I have to agree with the J Lo guesses.
now that i've read and processed all the comments i am really thinking this is janet jackson... the children clue put in there to throw us off... if enty knows the music business inside and out where confidentiality agreements abound... who's to say he wouldn't know about a secret child that janet had? but that's beside the point... if you listen to janet's earlier stuff she sings in a lower register with very few bells and whistles. also most of her songs have her whispering intros and lyrics, but her later stuff is clearly sang. perhaps they found someone who sang similarly, but with better range to give her a richer sound and something new for fans... will we ever find out??:)
this really is a great blind.
I'm gonna guess Tori Amos because I really like her and this would totally shock me about her. Now mind you, I haven't read the BI in a while, but just wanted to throw a different guess out there for the hell of it. She tours a lot, too.
VH1 divas was the same guy who doesn't believe in winging it. AF got her way and it turned out substellar.
Big deal, they all need help at times. It doesnt mean they cant sing. Did he say MV couldn't sing? I mustve missed that. She probably just thought the recording turned out really well. LOL
To me the bigger scandal would scratch the surface of 50s game show fraud only here consumers are actively participating without knowing of the tinkering.
All of these singers sound rough in patches during live recordings. It's amazing to me that only the back up singers can consistently perform.
What happened to my post? It got lost. Anyway, this is what I wrote:
"I'm gonna guess Tori Amos because I really like her and this would totally shock me about her. Now mind you, I haven't read the BI in a while, but just wanted to throw a different guess out there for the hell of it. She tours a lot, too."
Now that I think about it, I'm not so sure about Tori. She always sings live. This is a toughie. What about Pink? Nah, her voice is too good. How about Beyonce? Her singing is not very good. She always sings out her nose and yodels like crazy. I swear she stepped in it. She's not divorced though. Hmmmmmm. I'm guessing as I type. How about LeAnn Rimes? She's separated and getting divorced.
This can't be Janet Jackson because she had two low selling albums before her breakout album, "Control". And her voice sounds virually the same on those albums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmRx4ev-kRw&feature=PlayList&p=90953BFD1B4E14CE&index=0
listen to this girl singing at the link above - it's Whild Peach, the girl who died of cancer in 2007...then listen to this ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2uHW1h5uWY&feature=related
it's J-Lo's "waiting for tonight"...whoever it is, it is NOT J-Lo!!! listen to them both with headphones and close your eyes...i think MV is JlO and the industry people involved in duping the public are the people Enty refers to as being shaken to the core...i personally know someone who worked on The Cell who said she was a terrible b*tch, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear she was rude to the girl who gave her a voice...if it is her, i would LOVE to see this come out, and her phony bullsh*t finally exposed! all the people she has mistreated over the years will stand up and cheer.
...and JLo didn't do much after 2007, just that Spanish album, no? seems she lost her voice...
oh...AND...(LOL sorry i am obsessed with figuring this out, i used to work in the biz)... if you listen to her "Brave" album, it doesn't even sound like the voice on the other albums...again, listen on headphones and close your eyes...you can faintly hear her phrasing mixed on top of the hurricane of over-production...but that is NOT her voice. DAMN i hope Enty reveals this one, i am SO curious!!!
J-Lo Do it Well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XMng0vCVog
I think it's Toni Braxton! She fits all these clues and even had money problems around 2000...
The reason I don't think it is Britney is because enty said it would "rock the music" world. I think everyone in and outside of industry knows they mix voices in w/ Britney.
JLo isn't a big enough name as a singer for it to rock anything
Madonna is a no because she could never sing, and if she had some incredible person dubbing her all thse years she wouod have sounded much better on Evita.
Not sure who MV is but for the singer what about Martha Wash from the weather girls, very talented, but very over weight which is why she wouldn't be in the business, not the right look. She was the voice of C&C music factory, and I think she has passed away.
And, had anyone else noticed lately how many of Enty's blinds are comming true. Like the Josh Duhmel thing and the David Boreanaz thing. Enty had blinds a few weesk before the stories broke, that is why Enty is truth and Ted C is really good with ficiton, his stuff never comes out.
I think Lauren Hill is a better guess than JLO. JLO's speaking voice sounds exactly the same as her singing voice. I think all the popular guesses are wrong, it's someone we've missed. Lauren Hill would be so deluded to think she could actually sing and produce records after her voice-double left, too. That's the kicker, if the voice-double sued, then they're likely not producing music for the "singer" anymore. So it has to be someone who isn't currently making music.
This isn't Whitney. I'm in the journalism industry and know 100% people who have heard her randomly sing live during interviews. She also did a mini live concert recently where she flubbed a line while singing *live*. If it was pre-recorded she wouldn't have flubbed the words.
I have no idea who this can be, but my initial thoughts were the use of the word "Guy" was an obscure reference to Madonna's last hubby, Guy Ritchie. That Enty was leaving a hint calling the person Guy.
But I thought this would be someone from the West Coast, not NYC like Madonna (or JLo).
hmmm, this video of lauryn hill makes me think its not her. this is from 2007 and i'm guessing she gets a lot of help in the studio because her voice sounds like crap but it sounds like her and she talks to the band a lot before the song.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/ex-factor-lauryn-hill/CE8AA0DD3C94BC53F0D2CE8AA0DD3C94BC53F0D2
Someone has surely pointed this out already, I don't care to read thru some 800 combined comments (yay Ent!)
It would make sense to be Brit. Years of fraud & fakery & the humiliation of being outed with world wide scorn would take it's tole on anyone & lead to a massive mental breakdown a la Britney.
i am soo enjoying reading all the comments, albeit repeats every 50.
Wanted to add, someone way up pointed out that no matter how talented/untalented MV is, it would blow the industry apart more than Milli Vanilli, who weren't all that successful.
Thanks to this blind & all the intelligent music technology info blurted here, I am now questioning the talents of MOST of them out there today.
Can't wait to tell my husband his beloved Reese Witherspoon probably auto-tuned her way thru Walk the Line. Hee.
MV is Madonna : she says it herself back in 1982 : " I've got 24 tracks that I'm singing to."...what's really revealing about her statement is that she actually started to say "I sing my record.." but then corrects herself to say that she has 24 tracks she sings to - not recorded, not has out, but merely 'sings to'. then she goes on to talk about how there is a song out now called 'everybody' - again, not my single, my song, my new track - just there's a song out now...but she taught "her dancers" what to do when performing (and is way more natural and animated when speaking about the dancers, but looks down and away when referencing the songs themselves)...so the dancers are hers, but not the song itself. REVEALING. from her own mouth. the clues, especially the new ones point to Madonna. and now here she is saying it in her own words..."there's 24 tracks that I sing to, so that it will sound like the record" - well, if you recorded it yourself that would be a given...but if you didn't...
and hey MV, maybe that stands for "Madonna Vadge" Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9bZPdbbp6M&feature=related
Some people have said "this person would not be a shock" but I think Brit or JLo would be shocking in the sense that they stand to lose all their sales if outed.
Lip synching isn't such a big deal if it's really her voice but no one is going to buy a concert ticket or a CD if it's not even her voice. What's the point to that?
Would any one buy a ticket to see Brit lip synching to someone elae's voice? Would anyone buy a JLo CD if it was someone else singing? Those sales would be gone instantly.
-, in response to your Madonna logic, above:
Madonna was like 27 when her first album came out. Her voice is alto and not very good for her lite pop girly sound she started with, so they actually sped up her voice a bit to make her sound YOUNGER.
This is like Madge trivia. The album "True Blue" was named thusly because she finally had the power to insist they stop so tragically altering her real voice.
Madonna's real voice has always needed altering, of course, but the first two albums sound so bad because speeding her up was about the best technology they had early 80's.
Seriously, her first two albums are her WORST singing.
Knowing that she hated what they did to her albums back then, I can well imagine her subconsciously distancing herself and 'trying to sound' like the record.
The dancing is what she's always had control over=more pleasure.
I was obsessed w/ Madonna, back in the day.
Mostly I'm defending her because she came up through live shows in NYC. No faking those. And her speech patterns, accent(s), and phrasing are the same as her speaking voice.
Plus, Madonna has never run out of money.
I love Shania for this, 'cause she is fishy, and lipsynched badly in her videos, as I remember.
But it's totally JLo. I remember seeing her in multiple interviews for "Selena" blabbing and joking about how she can't sing at all.
@TheGoldenSockPuppet
I am not sure it would effect either Brit or JLo that much. I think they are seen as dance acts that can sing not as singers who happen to dance. I think this is also true of Madonna.
I think we are looking for an East Coast based Singer Producer team and a LA based session singer.
I also think we need to look before the year 2000 for singer to break on the scene.
my 2 cents, I think we can rule out anyone who had a singing carreer since childhood, since the person is a NEWCOMER.
and OMG. MICHAEL JACKSON? The guy sounded EXACTLY THE SAME on record and when he was just jamming.
yep your right not MJ no way! (repost sorry typo on last one)
Just throwing out a different guess. How about Toni Braxton? She had one of the biggest hits in history "Unbreak my Heart" and has won several awards. She was working with LA Reid and Babyface who are big in the industry. Has two children, married and recently announced separating.
Any thoughts on that?
I'm your average dumb consumer elf. I live in LA and know lots of people in the "business" (that makes them sound like mob bosses) and I have no earthly idea who Lauren Hill is and only a vague idea who Toni Braxton is. Neither of them would be an industry-shaker. Though if it's Timmy/Shimmy-time, we may be overestimating the impact of the person.
I don't want it to be Britney because (1) I'm too old to care and (2) the poor kid has had enough crap come her way and I'd just as soon she have a breather.
We've ruled everyone else out (see also, it's "definitely NOT ... " and insert Madonna, Whitney, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, or etc) so I'm folding my cards. Beats me.
As I wrote last night, S could be someone well known to music industry insiders, like Kacey Cisyk was. Hmm... Kacey Cisyk. She did die of breast cancer, but in 1998.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g658_dVedq4
I think it's LeAnn Rimes.
1-She has a bf (Eddie C.)..just recently divorced.
2-Born in the U.S.A.
3-Singer/In a Band/Actress(Lifetime movies)/Reality Star (MTV Cribs and 'American Dream Derby' (2005)).
4-Has long hair.
5-Had a hot career yrs. ago, now, not so hot.
Not sure about the touring thing. I'm sure she has, so I guess that's the only thing ruling her out right now.
I don't think it's Toni Braxton, because before she was signed to a contract individually she had made a record with her sisters. She was given a single recording contract because she was considered to be the best singer. Her voice on the original record with her sisters would be unaltered because she was a nobody back then and nobody would bother subbing her vocals.
I still like Lauren Hill for this. To the person who didn't know who she is, she was the lead singer from the Fugees and she sang that massive hit, "That Thing", among others. I think JLO is a viable option, but her speaking voice sounds exactly like her singing voice and her singing voice is still very weak. I think her voice is just auto-tuned.
Enty, another hint PLEASE?!
Could this be LeAnn Rimes?
I don't think it's Madonna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY9GR_-eXHE
Not Whitney. I'm not a stan, but anyone who watches this video will see that choosing her as the answer to this BI is pretty ridic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7an_mz-OMDA
I think it's Faith Hill.
-She was really big a little while ago (that "Just Breathe" song was EVERYWHERE. Even on mainstream radio).
-Her voice doesn't sound distinctive. I could see someone with her voice easily doing some commercial work.
Like Saz mentioned, Toni Braxton was in a group with her sisters. One of them was bitter about how Toni became the successful one, she was in that reality show, "Starting Over" talking about it. Don't think it was her. Also, the label that she was signed to in the beginning (LaFace) was just getting started. I don't think that they could afford to pull off something like this while trying to gain credibility.
I threw it on the table as a guess it could be Anastacia read her bio's on these links while it wouldnt rock the industry im sure, as American's dont seem to know much about her (but she was huge elsewhere) she has a huge voice and she sings like an angel anyway take a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastacia_(album) & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastacia_(singer)
Im not sure she would be MV but maybe S....depends if ent is giving us all the info or dancing around it?
In saying all of that ent first wrote about this 3 years ago... and with all the people who have put their ideas forward on who it might be with no one in particlular fitting the clues exactly you gotta think this is just another MEDIA HOAX and im sure if ent had enough information to retire on the media profits from letting a "secret out" that would "rock the industry" why wouldnt they? .....WEVE BEEN PUNK'D!
@Gemini850
Yes, JLo was known NOT to tour. She has cancelled tours. She did tour in 2001, though for the MTV/USO tour and also in Puerto Rico.
But you asked about the "hundreds of concerts" all over the world.....you can START with these, which I believe meet the all over the world criteria...then repeat these concerts over and over, as JLO did...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeTR9cEYe-Q ...JLo in concert U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxthfTJkbkc&feature=related .....JLo in concert NYC (2001)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWFvFb0V2SI&feature=related....JLo, Cannes France 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qnlYb3udWY ....Jennifer Lopez, MTV/USO Germany (2001)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr0_PoTm7uE ...Jennifer LOpez, Stockholm, Sweden (November 2000)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7t1BNvQHUE&feature=related ....Jennifer Lopez, Puerto Rico, 2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j9_QtClnQs&feature=related.....JLo, FIFA Women's World Cup 1999 2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJmEK7VSJnw.....Jennifer Lopez, U.K. 1999
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGU0-hot6As&feature=PlayList&p=9BB03BA192AD1533&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=62 ....Jennifer Lopez, Premios Ondas, Spain 2001
The Royal Variety Performance, London 2001
To everyone trying to link the term "MV" and "S" with clues to the blind--"MV" stands for Milli Vinnili, and "S"is Singer. GOSH, enough with the conspiracies..
That said... Toni Braxton seems the most plausible. Madonna sounded good, as did Shania, but I imagine both have EXTREMELY high-paid lawyers.
Julia from Down Under, why do you even read the blog? At night (when Enty isn't around to pull your posts), you're constantly insulting it. If it's all a "media hoax", then go away.
Leann Rimes was 14 when she sang "Blue" and gained a ton of acclaim. I highly doubt someone would go through this trouble to promote a 14 year old.
This can't be Leann:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJZEiTLTAyk
She sang live with Perry Farrell at the Kid's Stage at Lollapalooza this summer. It's her voice. You can't lipsync at outdoor indie festivals. There's no way she's not actually singing in this video.
Not Oprah...not crazy at all! A very good guess - especially when you factor in that Lauren Hill's not known for her friendly personality.
And those who think Enty wouldn't gender-switch on us... see the disclaimer - it's all fair game, me hearties!
I think we should bring back the Timmy/Shimmy blind. I know Enty said it was Alice Brady, but that's not a shocking answer. I'm guessing that Shimmy is Liza Minnelli. =P
Tricia's Link won't work for me, anyone else having this problem? Or could someone post the headline etc.. Anything that make it seem to fit the blind?
@Gin
I posted two links:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29257,00.html
discusses jlo not singing on her record
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selena_(soundtrack)
shows the cover art for the Selena soundtrack, which I think looks very similar to the images Enty posted in the original blind.
Faith Hill was one of hte first people that popped into my mind on Monday when this first came up. Does anyone have any proof of her singing live on youtube or anything?
I'm leaning towards J.Lo
But I've also thought about the possibility that is all a man. I don't know about Michael Jackson, that's really stretching it.
See, when S originally recorded the songs, she didn't know what she was recording them for, so it's not necessary that the first time out, she was recording them for somebody.
The Braxtons were a group of four - a group where Toni's voice could easily have gotten lost...and maybe she wanted to break out on her own and, oh hey, here's a woman singing some songs with a great voice...
Why not just release them as Toni Braxton and see what happens?
I'm pretty fairly sure that this is still Toni, despite everything. Hers makes the most sense.
Remember, S sang for commercials, that doesn't mean that MV was in commercials everywhere.
He does say MV was in commercials:
"MV was everywhere..on television, radio, awards shows, commercials..EVERYWHERE.."
In terms of timing, I think it's JLO because of her ex-husband threatening to come out with a mockumentary. Not Britney - her singing voice sounds exactly like her real voice. And c'mon, Britney was hot enough that people didn't care how well she could sing. After the VMAs, you were talking about what she wore, not how well she sung.
I just wrote out the longest explanation on why I believe this is J-Lo, and my stupid iPhone erased it. Way too lazy to re-type. J-lo for the win. I can totally see Whitney, but all signs point to Jennifer Lopez.
Thanks Trish for reposting the artical :)
ok so I know jack shit about J-los music, its not my thing. But after a quick look I now know her 3rd album was called "this is me" intresting!
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