Today's MV Clue
No Four For Friday today because it would just end up getting caught up in all of this. The final clue for this anniversary week is MV was born in the United States.
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There was an update on blindgossip pretty much saying it wasnt whoever his really good friend was, dont know why enty didnt update on his own site but there you go, dont know if anyone knows or not
While nobody would be too suprised if it turned out that both J-Lo and Brit Brit had a lot of "help" on their recordings, it would still shake the music world to its core if it were to come out that either one were complete frauds.
When Milli Vanilli were exposed, there were over 26 class action lawsuits filed against them. In the end, people who had bought their records and tickets to their concerts were given the opportunity to claim a refund. Can you imagine if everyone who went to a Brit Brit concert or bought one or all of her CD's were entitled to a refund?!?! Even J-Lo....the girl has apaprently sold over 48 millions records (jeez, thats depressing)... if a refund was given to everyone it would most certainly shake the music industry up. Dont overthink it.
The original post says that the first CD came out and about 9 months later S was contacted to record remixes for a tour. So we should be looking for someone who went on tour about 9 months after the first CD release. Then S was contacted to do the 2nd CD.
This will leave out Madonna because she did not go on tour until AFTER her second release, Like A Virgin.
It would also leave out JLO, because if this CD Tour CD pattern is correct then the timeline doesn't match with her CD releases.
I did actually like the Madonna guess for a while. I could see it being Madonna and Jellybean. Jellybean has done this kind of thing before with Catherine Buchanan singing on "Sidewalk Talk" and it sounding EXACTLY like Madonna. Also the same with Jocelyn Brown and the Snap single "The Power". Read what Jocelyn says about it on Jellybean's Wiki page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Benitez
But again....if the timeline is to be believed then it can't be Madonna.
If it's JLo doesn't that mean that S would at the very least have to speak English and Spanish, since JLo has released albums in both languages.
Jon...if you have a look at the CDAN "MV" comment thread on Thursday November 12th, following is an excerpt from a post I made.
You need to consider that EL has said ..."THEREFORE, I have taken certain precautions such as using the year 2000 as a starting point..In addition, I am very vague when I use times such as several weeks or months....It would not be fair to S or the other parties involved or ethical to be any more specific in this situation..". I know some people would like to take this comment to the extreme and throw off the timeline by YEARS , as much as a decade(which I think is silly)...I think the comment as face value means he was a bit vague, but not a lot vague, he just didn't want to be specific to the nth degree. There is nothing, NOTHING, about JLo that does not fit her as MV, through the original blind items and all his further clues and comments. If you factor in a bit of vagueness as to months, or 'several weeks', plus using 2000 as the starting point (instead of 1999 when On the Six came out), and also keep in mind Jennifer Lopez toured in 2001 (USO tour and Puerto Rico) maybe the following will show you that the 'pattern' does indeed fit:
There is too much that can fit M.V....JLo had an association with PDiddy at that time. To orchestrate and maintain a cover up like this takes some power, most associated with Murder Inc. and the hip hop scene know to not open their mouths. Not too mention, JLO's second CD, JLo, DID do better than her first CD, On the Six. And who else followed up their debut CD with others in such quick succession.... On the Six (1999), JLO (2001), J to tha L-O!: The Remixes (2002) , This is Me, Then (2002)...
The exposing of this WOULD blow the music world up and shake it to it's core, just because JLO won SO many awards and of who she was associated with.
Last, when you think of rude divas, doesn't JLO come to mind? of COURSE she would be rude to the woman who made her famous (and some will argue that she was famous because she had started acting...her weak acting chops would not have sustained her breakout fame, it was her step up on the international music scene that sealed it)..and she was EVERYWHERE like no one else was...tv, movies, commercials, music, tabloids, Bennifer...on and on. JLO has sold 48 million albums worldwide. The timeline is very close to EL's, as well.
MissLALALALALuna---You definitely don't have to even speak a word of Spanish in order to sing in it. All you need is a coach telling you how the words are properly pronounced. I've sung in at least 5 different languages and can only speak one fluently. The girls in ABBA couldn't speak English and look how many hits they had in the language!
Not to mention JLo was simultaneously putting out several movies.
From the time Selena came out to 2005 she made 15 movies and released 3 albums!
Okay -this is the longest time I've ever spent on comments...lol... love all the guesses :) Ya'll are some great detectives!
Leaning towards JLo and/or Lauren Hill here also - everything seems to line up for both.
But I can sure vouch that it isn't Sheryl Crow - she's also a Missouri girl and I attended University of MO with her our freshman year way back when... she lived on the same floor in my dorm. She was tiny, adorable, and had a fab voice back then - she's definitely the real deal and has music in her blood. If anything, her voice is just a bit more polished as she's gotten older. Plus, she's performed or collaberated with way too many people in the industry to keep that kind of a secret.
Christine8car litterally stole the words from my mouth :) those are the exact points I was thinking!!! Yay.
And I can't spell. Obviously.
We haven't really discussed the effects of S's breast cancer on the recordings/touring...Assuming the parties were still working together, it would have affected tours in 2007 and albums in 2008.
I believe the relationship between MV and S ended by the time they all met at EL's office in 2006. JLo's 2005 cd 'rebirth' may have been the one EL got autographed by both MV and S. Rebirth was certified gold.
@christine8car
Rebirth was also the last album cory rooney produced for her.
AND, on a review for her 2007 album, Brave, wikipedia listed this review:
Yahoo Music's review said: "Given Jennifer Lopez's thin voice, it's hard to expect greatness when she puts out an album. But Brave disappoints even for J.Lo-adjusted standards. Chock full of tepid dance grooves, Lopez's voice has never sounded so weak and marginal as on this record."
It is absolutely JLo. People who don't think this would be a huge deal because JLo isn't that great a singer are really not getting it. Think of Milli Vanilli-- anyone with the huge success of JLo who was found to be a fraud? That would make headlines.
So then I just had to check out the new album, Brave (since I really was only into JLo during the 'Love Don't Cost a Thing' days, still have that on my cd's in the car...), and I'd say that's a new sound for her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJLGZTZr8B4
Agree with Yahoo Music's assessment.
You can appreciate that S sold a lot of cd's.
I do like the argument for J. Lo. She might have gotten fame-hungry post Selena [iirc, she was lauded for her performance there] and Out Of Sight and wanted more...and what better way to do it than to get someone to sing for her?
When you think of how in the Olympics a gold medalist is stripped of his medals, this moves the next competitor up in the medal standings (happy silver medalists!), and consider an music institution like the billboard top 100 et al charts, that's a lot of adjustments.
Or is it like baseball, where there's forever an asterisk next to the name Jennifer Lopez?
I listened to a couple of JLo's earliest musical contributions, so this would be 1999 before S is on the scene and about the time someone discovered S sounded like Jennifer Lopez would sound if she could sing, and even puff daddy wouldn't let her sing on his record without completing digitizing her.
"background vocals" for puff daddy in 1999 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njh2vkHFT4I)
and vocals on Black Rob's (he's associated with Puff Daddy) 'Spanish Fly' in 1999 ...http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/media/page/0,,881259-2334457,00.html
*it will hurt your ears
:)
@ Whoever it was that told me Brit and Jlo are seen as dance acts
No they're certainly Not seen as dance acts by the people that buy their CD's. That's money spent on music, not dance. And the size of the money that MV made will probably be the greatest shock of the whole thing.
2 of my family members went to see Brit in concert last time she was in Northern California. Row 2, great seats. They went because they thought they'd get a show but they expected it was her voice...lipsynching to her own voice was expected...and neither would go if they thought Brit was mouthing to someone else's voice, no matter how good she danced. Its not like she's a Michael Jackson-level dance talent afterall.
JLo was a back up dancer on "In Living Color" but even she is not seen as a dance act.
Ok. So j-lo is suddenly not known as J-lo anymore after breaking up with her label? She's now "Lola" and has a new single out that doesn't sound like her old voice. Well, Ok, it sounds like she is mimIcking what her old voice used to sound like. Kind of how I can make my voice sound like britney's just by listening to songs and copying the tones and manerisms (not that I would ever do that as anything but a joke at home haha). Anyways it's called "fresh out the oven" and it sucks balls. Just wondering if anyone else heard it and thought the same thing?
P.S. My boyfriend is a producer and everytime I claim I can sing, he says no you just mimick other people's voices well. Haha. It's true. But that's what made me think that j-lo could just be mimicking S's voice from old records.
If the guy is Cory Rooney that would explain why S didn't know him or couldn't get ahold of him, he's not really a household name. But it doesn't explain the money issue where he made bad investments with MV's money, etc. A writer/producer wouldn't have tht kind of access to the money. It only makes sense if the guy were a manager, not a writer/producer. If this is J Lo the guy would have to be Benny Medina, not Cory Rooney....but Benny is/was a huge deal in the industry so S would have to know who he was so that wouldn't make sense that it's him.
Also, J Lo supposedly has tons of cash, I doubt the payments would have to end due to money issues. Same with Madonna or Britney, there's plenty of cash to keep the charade going.
Did enty say the the money "dried up"? Maybe it was mis-managed and not everyone in the entourage,staff (and pay-offs) was getting paid on time? S went to enty and was able to get a lump sum of cash rather than sticking to a paying schedule, so obviously there was still money around, right? I still think it could be j-lo (Lola, whatever) but if we're really going to focus on the money thing, then I could only think Whitney, who had big money problems around that time (2006). Lost her house and stuff, didn't she?But I really don't think it's her because of the acapela videos and stuff.
Jon is right, all the big names wouldn't have a problem continuing to pay S.
I also read that Toni Braxton went boke in 1998 and had to sell off her Grammys to help pay her debt, but the next year signed another record contract for $25 million with LaFace records. So I think she'd probably still be able to pay too.
One thing I keep coming back to is that J.Lo's first album came out before 2000. "On the Six" was out in 1999. Could it still be her?
Submitted by poster-"Can you imagine if everyone who went to a Brit Brit concert or bought one or all of her CD's were entitled to a refund?!?!"
Would it be at all horrible to just file lawsuit's against her anyway?? Just for being Britney Spears?? That in itself is a crime.
I haven't seen this many comments since Timmy/Shimmy!
I've always thought this was J-Lo and now it seems indisputable.
YOu know...speaking of Timmy/Shimmy. I really have to say that I still see this as a FAKE. If anyone knew this info you would make so much more money off this whole situation. I still think Regina Richards sang for Madonna though. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-DrlLZeWc
This is pretty cool! Madonna in a rare performance 1982.
Any clues with the timing? Reposted the blind around the time it was announced that WH was performing at the AMAs.
started blog three years ago, then two weeks later posted the blind.
How about Sarah Mclaughlin. She is Huge in some areas, has comericals, world tours, has been divorced and has a child. If not her, maybe the cult followed Tori Amos, many world tours, or Celine Dion.. also huge after titanic...
Thanks for that skindeep. I guess we can eliminate Madonna. JLo FTW!
This is most definitely NOT JLo. JLo's singing and speaking voice are identical. JLo's voice is completely average. I actually showed this vice to someone at my company in NYC and she said JLo used to record at the same studio in the Bronx that her band did. She said that they enhanced her voice with electronics so she sounded like she was able to hit the high notes. This is Definitely NOT JLo she said.
Has anyone ever offered up a very good case that this is NOT Vanessa Williams? I'm still with her.
Ok so the might work for both Britney and JLo, but seeing as I am not the biggest fan of either, I really don't know.
The Faith Hill guess got me thinking about this. Faith Hill has done duets before, with Josh Groban, for example. Well, if something was up with her, don't you think Groban's people would know it? Rule #1 about a secret is that the more people who know, the more likely it will get out. I sincerely doubt the masterminds behind this would risk exposing her by having her contribute to another artist. Afterall, to do that would mean involving an entirely different production/management team. Think about it. This is a mulitple-people-career-ruining hoax.
So, this leads me to my point: has JLo ever done a duet with someone?? I mean, has there ever been a song "featuring JLo"?? I'm leaning toward the JLo guess, most def.
Sorry - Britney would NOT be shocking. Macy Gray? Are you SERIOUS? Who gives a crap about her?
To be shocking it would have to be someone huge. Like Madonna. Or Janet Jackson.
I originally thought it was JLo. She's still on my list. But I don't think it's her.
What about Brandy? She had a public divorce and has a kid. Her second album was also a bigger hit than her first album. I think she only has 5 albums out...but none of them have done as well as her first and 2nd. She also seems to have a million reason as to why she hasn't put out another album recently. Usually it's because of a disagreement with the record label. Read her Wiki page.
If this is MV is JLo...then S has a weak, cruddy voice and I'm shocked she was even discovered. JLo's voice is soooo forgettable and simple. S has to be a gifted talent singer to have done commercials and sung backup. She was also sought out to be the singer for MV. She must have an absolutely unique, powerful and distinct voice to be so sought after. JLo is a terrible average singer.
JLo's duet with Chayanne in espanol. Her singing and speaking voice are identical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSfMChPHdhs
I for the life of me can not figure out why no one thinks its Jessica Simpson. Her country music voice is nothing like her pop music voice..you watch some youtubes of her performing "live" in her Nick and Jessica days and then watch the country performance and it is obvious to me.. she must have been "notted" for no one to think like me!.........WAIT, the kids clue...ugh..woe is me.....I am on the J-Lo wagon, ..but she is so auto-tuned and pre-recorded live performanced OUT, its hard not to think its her AND Jessica Simpson..if Papa Joe does it to one daughter, he will do it for the other...
It's not Vanessa Williams -- I've seen her sing at corporate events (small, intimate things -- the investment bank I used to work for would hire her) and she was the real deal -- even taking requests. No fakery there.
okay I think I'm done flip flopping..I'm going to get back on the j.lo wagon until proven otherwise!
Tell me again why we think this can't be Faith Hill? That would be much more shocking than JLo.
I agree with Kate, my original thought was Jessica Simpson, but the at least one child clue eliminated her. Although J-Lo fits, I still think it's someone with a very powerful singing voice, so I'm still working on this one!
Faith Hill wasn't "everywhere", no commercials during the timeline.
Faith Hill was a Covergirl spokesperson. She was indeed in commercials and she was totally everywhere during the early 00's. No activity since 2005.
Not sure if anyone posted this, but I found something interesting on Wikipedia (I know..not a great source, but here goes:)
VH1 Divas Live (very interesting who did it and who was invited and declined or canceled. hmmmmmm)
The nine concerts drew unique, one-off performances from "divas", including Mariah Carey, Jordin Sparks, Patti LaBelle, Celine Dion, Kelly Clarkson, Shakira, Tina Turner, Whitney Houston, RuPaul, Anastacia, Diana Ross, Pat Benatar, Ashanti, Blondie, Beyoncé, Carole King, Sheryl Crow, Miley Cyrus, Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan, Martina McBride, Mary J. Blige, Jennifer Hudson, Celia Cruz, Jewel, Destiny's Child, The Pussycat Dolls, Gloria Estefan, Eve, Shania Twain, Donna Summer, Faith Hill, Nelly Furtado, LeAnn Rimes, Brandy, Paula Abdul, Cyndi Lauper, Jessica Simpson, Melissa Etheridge, Jill Scott, India Arie, Leona Lewis, Cher, Queen Latifah, The Dixie Chicks, Gladys Knight, Stevie Nicks, Adele, Joss Stone, Stevie Wonder, and Elton John.
Some who were invited, and either declined their invitation or cancelled their appearance: Barbra Streisand - invited in 1998 and in 1999, Lauryn Hill - invited in 1998, TLC - cancelled in 1999, Christina Aguilera - invited in 2000, Britney Spears -invited in 2002 and 2004, Jennifer Lopez - invited in 2002, and Kylie Minogue - cancelled in 2004.
Jon...my mistake you're correct about Faith Hill, guess she's back on the maybe list!
Oh yeah, Faith has been actively touring with hubby Tim Magraw.
Barbara Streisand: just too stuck up to do it and share the stage, as she is the ultimate diva. Plus, it's not like she has "the look"
Lauryn Hill-performed on MTV unplugged
Christina-possible
Britney-a popular guess
JLo-another popular guess
Kylie-I think she bowed out due to her cancer
Faith Hill also has a song called "There You'll Be" which has the stand out line in the chorus 'Everywhere there you'll be' Also, her husband has a song called "Everywhere". Hidden clue??? Touring with her husband offers her some protection as opposed to touring with another artist who might find out her secret.
Also, in the original post there's a line about "her little secret" a clue about Melissa Etheridge who had a song called "Your Little Secret" Melissa is also a breast cancer survivor so that may make her emphathize with S who had cancer and lead her to sit with her for 2 hours.
As far as JLo....does anyone believe that she would meet S in the hospital and sit with her for 2 hours? Same for Madonna or Britney.
Wow.. Props to all of you researching this weekend. I've been keeping up on the comments and after having some non-obsessed time...I'm back.
The Faith Hill guess is very interesting..She was everywhere for a while.
I'm not sure who's train I'm on anymore...I'm depressed that we will probably never get a reveal on this...And this will now be in the back of my head forever. LOL.
Great Blind.. It's been a fun week!!
How did I miss the part about MV sitting in the hospital w/S?
I was wondering the same...
It's there. Somewhere.
I think it was a little blurb enty said after the fact...
This post really confuses me:
"As of the time of this post, there is nothing to add on the MV situation. I will keep you updated. MV is the only person who can come forward without any repercussions. Myself, S, and Guy do not have that option available to us."
I find that statement very intriguing. What does it mean that MV can actually come forward without any repurcussions??? What artist can actually admit to this and not have any repurcussions? I don't get it!
In another post he mentions that his friends are important to him and in another post, he made it clear that this friend of his was not MV and reads the blog-I think everyone assumed he was talking about Britney at that time.
Totally running out of ideas. J-Lo never toured and played hundreds of concerts around the world.
Another intriguing comment: he says that MV was EVERYWHERE including television, commercials, awards shows, etc...when was JLo or Britney ever on television? Not at the height of their fame at least. Sure, they both started out on TV, but as virtual unknowns, not as household names. Brit in MM Club and JLo on ILC. This seems to rule both out.
I'm getting a headache and feel we need a different direction.
But Faith never had a public divorce or separation...did she? As far as I know, she's been married once and is still married to Tim McGraw.
I wish people would focus on real singers. People don't seem to understand that it would be a big "Knock" to the music world. JLo is a joke. Let's go after some real singers. JLo is first known for her dancing...then acting...music last. Whitney would be far more of a hit...though it's not her. I've seen her in concert in the 80's. She's a good singer in person.
One last thing that people forget to think about...didn't the guy who was mixing MV's music go broke? If he was broke and couldn't afford to pay off S, doesn't that mean that MV must have been broke too?
Well, crila, the blind does say he was having money mangement issues at the time and part of it was the money he paid out to MV. So MV wasn't broke-he was.
Well F@*K!!
We get nothing more. The new BI is posted, and nothing mentioned about MV :(
SADS BIG TIME!!
xoxo
why do people think that S needs to be an amazing singer? i think it's more likely that S is an average singer covering for someone who is an awful singer, since an amazing whitney/mariah quality singer could probably get some kind of record deal even if she didn't look like a star (christina aguilera, barbra streisand, judy garland) or was straight up fugly.
i also wonder how much this BI is exaggerated. I remember thinking with the Timmy/Shimmy one, that the male actor had actually played a majority of the part in the film, but in the end it seemed more like he was a slightly overused body double. in the case of j.lo, her singing voice does sound like her speaking voice most of the time, but if you watch some of her old music videos, she's clearly not singing any of the choruses on such hits as "i'm real" "i'm real (remix)" and "play" even though she is mouthing the words.
I been following along and think this is Madonna....FTW.
MV is the only one who can tell the story without any legal reprecussions for the agreement they made. There would definitely be reprucussion to their career!
Faith sings live with Tim in concert, they even sing songs by other artists in their concerts. It would have been pretty hard to work that out with S, especially since that has continued to go on long after the association with S was meant to finish.
I really don't understand the people saying that JLo or Britney woudn't be a big deal. Do you LIVE on gossip websites? Only interact with people who read only celeb gossip? Wake up! In the real world, this is a MASSIVE deal to ANY artist who's as big as they were. Think of the number of people involved in a JLo album, the other artists they've worked with, the extent to which people would be questioned for every piece of music they'd ever touched. It doesn't matter if they're not known as an amazing singer, it's the fraud that would rock the industry. JLo had some heavyweights in her corner at one point and if those people were brought down, it would not be pretty.
The only thing that bothers me about the JLo guess is that her speaking voice does sound SO like her singing voice. But then that clip where she sang the lullaby in the middle of the interview sounded NOTHING like her recorded voice. So I suppose that it could just be that S had a similar singing voice to JLo's speaking voice. Maybe she was saught out for that purpose. After all, JLo admitted herself at the time she made Selena that she couldn't sing. Then all of a sudden she's putting out albums? Dodgey.
I still say Faith Hill. Look on Youtube for Faith Hill acapella. You won't find anything of her on video singing acapella. Watch the 2001 Grammy version of "Breathe". It's pitch perfect and sounds like a recording. Nobody sings that perfectly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjpwL3OGHCE&feature=related
There's even a Youtube of her and Carlos Santana from a TV special and it doesn't look like she's singing live.
I'm still betting my money on Faith Hill. Breathe was the #1 song of 2000, that would be a huge upset to the music industry to find out that she didn't really sing it.
I dare you to find any video of her singing something indisputably live.
I think it J-LO & Ashanti clue (real separation) her song "I'm real" which was eerily similar to an Ashanti song.
The divorce part is why I really believe this...she just had the sex tape blocked for now and they have been tied up in court over his tell all book. He blames her for ruining his life.
I think why it is coming back up now is because it is about to be leaked.
I suspect the singer's aren't has big an issue as who the middle man was that brokered the deal in the first place and the circumstances surrounding that.
I've seen Faith and Tim sing Snow Patrol's Chasing Cars live at one of their shows. Chasing Cars came out in 2006. AFTER the supposed meeting between S and Enty, and after she'd stopped recording for MV. So she couldn't somehow have recorded that song for Faith to sing at her concert.
It's definitely NOT Faith Hill. On her "Cry" CD (my favorite CD)...it's also a DVD. If you play it as a DVD, it shows the making of her Cry album and her in the studio recording her Cry CD live. It shows all the bloopers and mistakes and the re-recording and everything. It's actually really interesting, and her voice is absolutely amazing. She also seems like a really nice person on the DVD.
JLo and Britney are complete jokes as singers. They're excellent performers and not good singers at all.
May 23, 2002
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/ashanti/articles/story/5933321/ashanti_means_war
"After so many cameos on other people's hits, were you tired of being known as "Ashanti the hook girl"?
Actually, no. I liked the exposure, because the records were successful. But because I was all on everybody else's joint, I had to smack it up with "Foolish" and show that I can write.
There is a rumor that you've "ghost-sung" some vocals for J. Lo.
You are bad! You're a bad guy!
Well, did you or did you not?
I demo-ed the vocals for her so she could hear it, not so they would be on the record. So I've actually been involved with four records in the Top Ten at the same time; everyone says three, but, technically, it's four. At first, I was like, "Hold up, what's going on?" But it's getting taken care of."
How could S be Ashanti if S died!
I don't think Enty ever said that S died. Did he?
ugh! i wrote a really long comment and now i have to re-do it because it mysteriously disappeared. boo.
1-i re-read the entire blog last night from the beginning. (i'm almost done so i will post my findings later on tonight but wanted to get some things out here now.) the cancer post is totally gone. i know it used to be on here because i think i remember reading it when i first became obsessed with this site, lol. i think that post is very important - why else would it have been removed? unless it was a fake clue... we need to find it.
2- we NEED to keep in mind that we aren't going to find anyone who is going to match ALL the clues perfectly - it was made vague for a reason.
3-forget what i said last week about mv having to be someone old or dead/dying because of the legal threat to enty. duh! ENTY has the leverage here, hello gold record proof. this is someone who he must hate and enjoys taunting and in reading last night there is one person who sticks out in that regard. j-lo. in his posts about her he rarely mentions her singing either.
4- s didn't have to be a great singer, just better than mv. for instance, if it were jlo wouldn't the public have been suspicious if she had come out after selena talking about how she can't sing and all of a sudden she's like j-hud belting out ballads? i think s just needed to be okay and have a voice similar to mv's.
5- the comments saying it can't be such and such because my friend's friend's dog who's in the biz saw her recording. these comments are useless here. of COURSE mv would have been seen (and heard) recording her albums in a studio. remember, the record company didn't know what was going on so this sham had to be believable. and is it possible that when mv was "recording" they already had s's tracks done so it may have looked like mv was singing? also they would have had to mix mv and s together to make the voice believable too so i don't think we are looking for someone whose speaking and singing voices don't match or who sounds completely different now. this wasn't the stone ages, the fabricators of this had to be sophisticated enough to have pulled this off.
okay, that's all i have for now, but i hope what i post later helps.
seriously guys, this blind is taking up way too much room in my brain. we must solve this so that i can move on with my life. ;)
I totally agree with you brooklyn040204....
I scoured the site yesterday for the comment about MV sitting with S in the hospital when she had cancer and couldn't find it anywhere...
If anyone out there know where it is please repost it :)
FREAKY!
there has to be a blind item archive or collection that would have posted it. it's got to be out there somewhere!
Maybe we were getting to close and so it magically disappeared!
From July O7
13. MV. - My one day clue doesn't apply anymore and it's not because of the concert photos I post now. The big news is that S almost died this past spring. She had breast cancer and had a very difficult mastectomy. MV visited her in the hospital and from what I understand they had a really nice two hour talk.
Reasons why it couldn't be Ashanti/JLo
Ashanti is beautiful...why would JLo snub her nose at it? Ashanti also got credit for the background vocals she did for JLo, no?
Has Ashanti ever had cancer? I don't see anything about that.
Could there have been someone else with JLo? Sure. But I still have a major problem with the 100's of concerts all over the world. JLo never toured like that.
This is driving me CRAZY!!!
Thank you so much Jon...I've been looking for that for at least an hour now ;)
awesome jon! that's interesting as it leads to more questions - what was the one day clue? what concert photos did he post that day? and at least we know now that s did not die.
i wonder what the possibility is that s did more albums for mv? they had a "nice two hour talk" after all and she is still alive.
hmm, this could change a LOT.
and @iceangel, if jlo were mv s isn't necessarily ashanti. i do think the ashanti thing tells us that there have already been rumors about jlo's legitimacy as a singer.
what is interesting though is that Ashanti does support breast cancer charities. Also, just because a star has a mastectomy doesn't mean the public would know about it.
oooh this is driving me crazy!!
I've been looking for session/studio singers who had cancer in 2007. I can't come up with anything, so either S is very much not famous or she kept her illness very quiet, which would be hard to do in the internet age if she were famous. Not Ashanti.
I agree, NOT Ashanti. Enty says that S was fine with being the background, I don't think we would recognise S in the flesh, if we fell on her! Hearing her voice, would be another matter all together!
I think everyone is way off with the JLo thing. JLo's speaking and singing voice are identical. I really think Enty is throwing us off like the Timmy/Shimmy thing. Everyone was convinced it was Katherine Hepburn...completely convinced, when it turned out to be someone none of us have ever even heard of who was more known back in the 30's. I think it's the same thing with MV. Either that, or the years he's giving us is completely off track. It may also be someone who is in a different genre, other than Pop. Enty should really give everyone another clue...because it keeps going back and forth with JLo, when it's not her at all. My co-worker's band used to record in the same studio in the Bronx with her. The recording studio head told my co-worker that JLo gets a lot of electronic help, because her voice is not that great.
again, i don't think it matters who saw or heard who working on an album and whether or not they needed electronic help. this was kept under wraps from the record label and anyone else who worked on the album so we can't go by what our friends in the biz say they saw. everything was manufactured to make it look like mv was the one making these albums - EVERYTHING - and we already know her voice isn't great or s wouldn't have been in the picture at all. it would have looked weird if nobody ever recorded with mv or seen her in a studio.
i definitely agree that this has timmy/shimmy possibilities...
*nobody HAD ever recorded with mv or seen her in a studio.
me make sentence good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VflMSWwBEQo
well here's a video full of "live" concerts by jlo. there is one where she looks just like the pictures used in the original blind and another where she shakes her head back and forth so fast while singing but magically her voice does not waver. i haven't been able to look or listen too closely because i'm at work but here's the link if anyone else wants to analyze it, lol.
J-LO! J-Faux......
I'm convinced!
Who else just popped up from nowhere? J-Lo got her practice with the Selena movie, lip syncing ya know!
From the Blind, this quote struck me: "After a few weeks she (S)had recorded about over a dozen songs and she went on her way and was really oblivious to anything else pertaining to it, UNTIL several months later she was in her car and heard her voice coming from the radio, only it was another singer being given credit.."
All the other guesses (Faith, B-Spears) had been previously known as singers. Not J-Lo! She just came outta nowhere. And was HUGE. She slipped into the Selena void as THE Latina that appealed to the other races as well. Dating a powerful black man helped sell her image as well. She is J-Faux!
piper, don't forget about the story enty posted about j-lo and diddy being fake.
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2007/08/diddy-and-j-lo-was-fake.html
Piper, I'm with you. I just watched a ton of J-Lo you tube videos and I'm now convinced it's her!The only part on her songs that IS HER is the speaking voice portion of the song. Unless anyone can come up with anything to prove otherwise...it's Jenny from the block FTW!
P.S. Remember when Ben Afleck said he felt like his life was FAKE while he was with her! Big clue, without trying to be a clue.
I'm on the JLO train as well.
Brooklyn - I watched the youtube, and to me, her singing voice dosen't really match her speaking voice, but I have to admit I'm not into JLO so I wouldn't be the best person to vouch for that :) It DID look like she was lipsyncing though some of it...
Piper - GOOD call on the practicing lipsyncing on the Selena Movie.. I like it...
It's JLO FTW :)
More Proof...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXy8n-dqv9c&feature=related
Maybe I'm up in the night, but this totally looks lipsynced..AND does not sound anything like I would expect her to sound...
Also we have already determined the dates are off and, here she is, singing at an AWARDS show...
FTW...
Or maybe I just really want it to be because I really do not like her :)
i agree on the video icecat. just try to find a live, NOT lipsynced performance by her.
here's one that seems very live. but check around the 1:13 mark when she sings the word control. she leaves the mic before the word is done being sung. however they did this they did it well. without finishing up what i started last night i'm thinking it's j lo for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxthfTJkbkc&feature=related
I just watched the Today show performace too and I thought the same thing. You wouldn't notice if you weren't looking for it. Also I think they let her do her speaking voice thing, so it appears more "live."
People are asking about EL's post on July 3, 2007 about S having cancer, and you are right, it IS gone. But what he wrote was:
MV. - My one day clue doesn't apply anymore and it's not because of the concert photos I post now. The big news is that S almost died this past spring. She had breast cancer and had a very difficult mastectomy. MV visited her in the hospital and from what I understand they had a really nice two hour talk.
....oh, and posted on the same day (July 3/07) EL wrote this...
Morning Links
J-Lo doesn't want to be called J-Lo anymore. Instead she wants to be known as D-Va and as an alternate you may call her Mrs. Skeletor. This may have something to do with the fact that she can't get a job and can't sell a record and figures people will think she's a different person if she uses another name.
....And that's all I've got to say about that, Forrest!
...and since I found another interesting post on popdirt archives... this is a few years old.
J.Lo Sample Stealing Sends Mariah Over The Edge
The New York Post reports Jennifer Lopez was the reason Mariah was sent over the edge. Mariah had sampled Firecracker by Japan’s Yellow Magic Orchestra when she recorded Loverboy six months ago but freaked after J. Lo released I’m Real with the same sample.
Mariah thought ex-hubby Tommy Mottola was behind the stealing of the sample and passing it off to his Sony prodigy Lopez.
During her interview w/ Allure in June, Carey ripped Lopez responding to writer Vanessa Grigoriadis’ revelation she had interviewed Lopez saying, “I bet that was really intellectually stimulating. I bet you could just see the depth in her eyes.”
As far as Lopez’s claim of being able to get 8 hours of sleep a night, Mariah retorted, “If I had the luxury of not actually having to sing my own songs, I’d do that too.”
and Mariah would know....she was married to Tommy Mottola.
Here's the link for the story of how Mottola/Lopez stole the sample from Mariah...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,49437,00.html
An excerpt from the story:
All of this has to do with Lopez's hit song, "I'm Real," which in fact is two different songs. Confused? Welcome to pop music in 2002.
On Lopez's album J.LO, "I'm Real" appears as an upbeat dance number. There's no rapping or male vocal accompaniment. The record does sample the old disco song, "Firecracker." The songwriting credits for that version of "I'm Real," list Martin Denny (who wrote "Firecracker") as well as Lopez and three producers. J.LO was released on July 24, 2001.
The remixed "I'm Real," which was released a few weeks later, is quite different.
In the new issue of a rap magazine called XXL, record executive Irv Gotti admits that Tommy Mottola, Carey's ex-husband and the head of Sony Music, instructed him to make a record for Jennifer Lopez that sounded exactly like one Gotti's company had made with Carey for her movie, Glitter � even though Glitter was not finished and Lopez would beat Carey to the punch and undermine a project she was recording for Sony.
In XXL, Gotti is asked by writer Keith Murphy: "Is it true that Tommy Mottola asked Murder Inc. [Gotti's production company] to do the remix of [Jennifer Lopez's] "I'm Real" after hearing a song Ja Rule did with Mariah Carey on the Glitter soundtrack?"
Gotti replies: "Ja wrote a song with him and Mariah singing back and forth on the title track. I get a call from Tommy Mottola, who I have a great relationship with, and he's like, 'I need you to do me a favor. I want you to do this remix for Jennifer Lopez. I want you to put Ja on the record.' Immediately I knew what he was doing because we just finished the Mariah record."
Read what you will into that...I have to think a LOT of heavy players were in on this.
Brooklyn040204 and Annouck.....I was just going to post the same thing! (good thing I read the thread back this time) ...just watched the 2001 "live"(ahemliar!) performance on the Today show and also picked up the slip up at 1:13....I just know this 'recording' that JLo used for that Today Show appearance was one of the sessions S did, the "extra mixes and such" ---"extra work so a live performance would not sound staged"---so that JLo could go on 'tour'...
Of course it is.
What about this clip of Jennifer Lopez on American Idol?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zG8rOKDSfs
She appears to sing acapella with two of the contestants. The only thing is if you skip to 2:51 it really just sounds like one voiced doubled and it sounds like it was edited in later. The only thing that is troubling is the final clip. Of course that is a very short clip and she's not singing very much so it doesn't prove anything.
Jennifer Lopez has a new album coming out and I went to her website and it has a quote by Oscar Wilde : "Illusion is the first of all pleasures"...hhhmmm
Also the day the media printed the "J-Lo is ruining my life" quotes from J-Lo's ex the MV hint about her being married at least once was printed. Check the dates on all of these articles and then check the date of the hint.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Jennifer+Lopez%27s+Ex%3A+She%27s+Ruining+My+Life&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2009/11/todays-blind-items-mv-clue.html
I think this is Jennifer Lopez, guys. The only thing I can find that questions my belief that it is her is the American Idol clip above and like I said there are explanations for that. With all other female singers there are various things that prove it isn't them.
Even if MV is NOT JLO, I think we can all agree based on really good detective work that she is a fraud, anyway.
There is not one thing that is authentic about her, down to her mink eyelashes. No reason to believe that she did her own singing, either.
Wow, we all invested a lot of time into this one! Once again I say J-Lo or should I say J-Faux, for the win!! This BI drove me crazy, but it was fun to finally crack it! At least I think we did....
I don't think it is Britney. Her voice on all her records have obviously been synthesized (the vocals have that 'clipped' feeling). If it was someone who can really hold a tune signing that would not be necessary.
My vote is for JLo
even though i don't think this is necessary because i am pretty certain we cracked this one, i read pretty much the entire damn blog the other night so i'm posting it!
here are the quotes that convinced me it was jlo:
"Come on Jen. See. This is why no one likes you and why they stopped buying your CD's and going to your films. They know you are spoiled, but what makes it worse is that you don't keep quiet about it, and you don't really have any talent. Sure, you used to look pretty good, but that kind of stopped for me as the credits rolled after Selena. Since then? Not so much.
Show some respect, and maybe you will get some in return."
ouch...and this one:
"When Jennifer Lopez gave birth to her twins back in February she told the world, or at least those who shelled out $5 to see her airbrushed photos in People that she was going to complete a triathlon by the end of the year. Wanting to one up that other Scientology princess at her own game, a triathlon seemed best at the time. Now, there are just a few months left in the year, but apparently she is going to do it. The only thing that is holding the entire process up is finding a swimmer to replace her during the swim, a bicyclist to tow her and a weightlifter who will carry her during the run."
...and this one:
"Unfortunately there has been a miscommunication between every single person on earth and Jennifer Lopez. TLC and everyone else thought they were buying a Jennifer Lopez reality show. What the public is actually getting is a 30 minute infomercial once a week for 8 weeks. Normally people would pay TLC to run a 30 minute infomercial on their channel. Somehow they got bamboozled into paying Jennifer Lopez to run a 30 minute infomercial on their channel instead of another channel.
What everyone thought would be Jennifer pretending to be a mom and wife and acting like she had emotions and feelings and getting to see Marc yell at her to speak in Spanish instead is going to be "a show that will track the creation, production and eventual launch of a new fragrance. Jennifer will appear in a creative, entrepreneurial capacity and will absolutely not feature her children and family life."
and we can't forget this gem:
Wednesday, August 08, 2007
Diddy And J-Lo Was Fake
"...In the brief portion of the interview that was released early, Kim says that Diddy cheated on her, but would only say that Sienna and Diddy were friends and that Sienna wasn't the cause of the breakup.
As far as J-Lo and Diddy goes, it seems as if Diddy and Kim were together the entire time he was with Jennifer Lopez.
"It was an embarrassment. I never thought it was real. I knew what was going on with him."
...I know she has got the serious dirt and she needs to spill it. Give OK! something for the money they paid you."
there is just nothing but hate for j-lo here. guys, i think we got this one. if only we got some sort of confirmation for our work. man, i would love if this story broke and everyone knew her for the sham she is.
omg, i just realized that in the triathalon quote the only time he uses the word "replace" is when referencing the swimmer, which begins with an...s!
i've really got to stop now.
I agree, all of us that put so much time into researching this BI would be thrilled if the real story broke! Thanks for posting all those quotes Brooklyn040204!!!!
..but it still doesn't explain how she does sing in some parts of her songs. This is the only footage I've seen that appears to be live. Enty posted it a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDrFZAaZpUA&feature=player_embedded
J.lo's speaking voice and singing voice for the most part are identical. If you all listen to "waiting for tonight" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvNjtjLSobM which is one of her early singles...it is 100% her voice (but digitally manipulated to sound better).
I think we need to start going in a different direction...
oooooooh dazed, did you listen to what she is saying on that video? no wonder enty posted it. she's talking about how it doesn't matter about the singing, it's how you feel and that's the difference between selling no records and 45 million. of course she wouldn't think the singing actually matters. lol. also the voice that comes out of that mic doesn't really sound like any of her records imo.
also, no matter who mv is i think they would have had to record her voice along with s's or the sham would never have duped so many people.
I can't fucking remember-where was Madonna voted in all this?
here's a quote from Sir Elton regarding Madge's nomination this week in London for "Best Live Act":
""Madonna, best f***ing live act? F*** off," said the singer renowned as much for his outrageous outbursts as he is for his outlandish outfits.
"Since when has lip-synching been live?" he asked."
He ended his outburst by saying: "That's me off her f***ing Christmas card list but do I give a toss? No."
Sorry, that bitchy Elton diatribe was from 2004.
need more coffee.
ANASTACIA!! For some reason Anastacia jumped into my head. Do you remember Left Outside Alone and everyone was shocked at how she'd changed her voice to a higher pitch at the beginning?? And also did'nt Enty say something about Cancer? She had breast cancer. I'm not too sure about a marriage or child though. I really think its her.
so I have been reading the entire thread here, and have some thoughts...I've come to the conclusion that MV is certainly male. I think AnnMarie is right on the money when she thinks it's Michael Jackson....I reviewed all the Enty clues, and not once does he say he or she when referring to MV, meaning that if it was she, he would have written something pertaining to this....S is clearly a she, but no word on MV....it would make sense that Michael Jackson would start losing that high pitch of his, and would start needing help getting through that falsetto....THIS would rock the music world to it's foundation, and it would make sense....it would also make sense that someone like Michael would spend 2 hours with someone with cancer....his financial trouble is well known, so maybe there was a point where there was no money....I like this more and more....
also yes, JLo and Brittney lip synch and are heavily sythesized, and probably use back up singers up front but we all know this....
MJ would blow everyone away...
Just watched J Lo on American Music Awards. Well obviously she didn't sing live. BUT the voice was exactly the same as it's always been. So I really doubt it is her especially because her silly Bronx accent is so prominent in her singing voice just like it is when she speaks.
@anon 6:27:
i thought the same thing for awhile and re-read the blind. enty does refer to mv as "she" a couple of times. It wasn't until I started reading the blog (not just the blind or the comments) from the beginning that I hopped on the j-lo train.
from the original blind:
"So a meeting was arranged in my office and S and MV finally met face to face..they had never done so, even though it was S who made MV a star..MV was rude to say the least when she saw what S looked like and it really upset me although S being her normal classy self could have cared less.."
"and MV was on her own for future recordings and tours.."
@Jordan: I decided for awhile that S was anastacia and taylor dayne was mv. their voices are identical! also, anastacia looks okay now but she's had some work done. i don't think she could be mv - i remember seeing her on this mtv kareoke show sometime in the 90's and she can really belt one out. if we get timmy/shimmied here i wouldn't be surprised at all to find anastacia had something to do with this.
Do you think this is in response to the blind:
http://www.laineygossip.com/Jennifer_Lopez_performs_in_Louboutins_at_the_American_Music_Awards.aspx?CatID=0&CelID=0
"Once upon a time, Jennifer Lopez was a pretender who faked out the music industry, tolerated for a while because she recorded catchy songs written by other people, until the sales started dropping and the novelty wore off. Now there’s nothing left. She is playing in the wrong league. Hate the way she pronounces Louboutin."
damn, it certainly sounds like it, doesn't it?
Today on Lainey:
"Once upon a time, Jennifer Lopez was a pretender who faked out the music industry, tolerated for a while because she recorded catchy songs written by other people, until the sales started dropping and the novelty wore off. Now there’s nothing left."
Ha Brooklynn! Sorry for the dbl post :)
After last night's performance, I'm wondering if it's Whitney Houston.
Whitney Houston.
Big voice. But not as big now. Still good but not spectacular. Big career HUGE voice then dribbled off into drugs and reality tv. She basically left singing.
If S was a plump white chick, she wouldn't fit the type that goes with that voice. Ridiculous stereotyping and a bit racist in assumptions about the African American voice as well but that's the industry. It would be a huge deal if Clive Davis did something like that. Huge.
@Brooklyn Taylor Dayne is AMAZING live. MV is absolutely not Taylor Dayne
My top three guesses
1. Jennifer Lopez
2. Faith Hill
3. Brandy
I was cleaning out some of the songs on my iPod and came across Britney's first album. Whoever is singing there is *not* Britney Spears.
Madonna works with Guy Oseary
this is why i think jlo is mv. everyone remembers the britney, christina, and madonna performance at the vmas. what few know and i read about in rolling stone was that mtv originally planned to have jlo perform in christina's place. however, it never happened no explanation. so how do u explain jlo turning down an opportunity to perform with madonna for the vma opening? i think its cause she cant sing and that performance actually required live singing cause heck even britney sang live that night. google rolling stone britney christina madonna jlo vma to see the mention of jlo originally being asked.
Here's something to think about.. MV is not going to be someone with major songwriting credits methinks. That should eliminate some BIG names. ALSO I strongly agree with everyone who says MV might not be known for having a perfect singing voice. Finding out that someone like Jennifer Lopez faked her entire music career would be a BIG DEAL!!(we talked about balloon boy for weeks, just imagine)
My vote: JLo
...the dates were fudged by a decade.
It's definitely Toni Braxton.
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