Four For Friday - MV Clue
Today is Friday, so it is announcement time. Not too many to make. I will be here all weekend, typing my fat fingers to the bone blogging away and revealing a blind item or two tomorrow. Lately there have been some really good ones. Sometimes I reveal them ahead of time on Twitter and also this week, I have some blind items on there that are not on the site so, please follow me @entylawyer
It is that time of the year for the annual MV clue. Normally it would be on the anniversary of the blog but that is over the weekend, so I thought I would give it to you today. Hard to believe it has been six years. I could not have done it without all of you.
I promised you an objective clue.
Combined, the first and last name equals 13 letters.
396 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 396 of 396J-Lo's speaking voice is the same as her "singing" voice. I felt MV was Mariah Carey but the 13 letters lets her off the hook.
As was said up thread JLo or Brit not doing their own singing wouldn't shock a soul. Brit's voice is better than Jenny from the block but that's not saying much.
I think we're all looking in the wrong place. A woman doing an MV that would shock the industry leads be to the mega stars - Streisand or someone like her not one of the literally made in the studio pop diva's.
Just so we're clear I'm not saying Streisand is MV. I'm saying that someone of her stature who was faking it would shake the business to it's core. The only other female singer of her stature is Aretha Franklin. Both Barbra and Aretha sing live, Barbra recently in her home town of Brooklyn.
It has to be someone the world thinks of as a great voicalist. Brit, Jenny, Madonna, Janet, none of these women are great vocalists.
@ RQ - it might have shocked us, as regular people, but it says "the music industry".
And like many others have pointed out, the voice that we hear on J-Lo's records does not belong to a great singer. Why go through all of this to replace someone with a mediocre vocalist who then gets autotuned anyway? Seems like a waste of time. There is also that youtube video where you can hear J-Lo "unprocessed" (i'm sure the link is in these comments somewhere). She sounds like crap, but it is still her. There is absolutely no doubt about it. You can hear her speak and swear and it's her.
@Amber - you're right, I think any name at this point would be a disappointment *L*. I just get the feeling that this is a Timmy/Shimmy thing, where, if revealed (never gonna happen), it'll come with an explanation that says "oh, it wasn't just one singer replacing the singer's voice, she was actually just singing in the background and "S" is actually more than one person who used to sing on these tracks and have MV sing over them. so really, the BI is nothing like the story I wrote originally" *L*.
But I do love the fact that it's been going for so long. We need new guessed though. And we need to remember that enty is notorious for red herrings. Anything we decide to read as a clue (and that includes my opinion on who would be shocked) could be a diversion to make sure we never guess the right name.
Now everybody should go and find that recording of "Toxic" where the songwriter is singing the song before it was given to Britney to sing karaoke to.
Madonna Ciccone.
Nickname of ex (he was not her husband, though) Vanilla Ice.
Break between albums: 1994-1998 with exception of Evita theme released as a single.
The voice backup may have been on "Evita" song or two, although not quite right to say is operatic, but it requires a range greater than "Like a Virgin."?
@ Desiree - Yeah, I remember hearing about the note thing too. I guess I was just sort of suspending disbelief and thinking that maybe the fact that she did all that would make it all the more shocking. It would just be so much juicier if it were Christina or someone like her.
@MalibuBarbie..
"Enty" did in fact say the 13 letters was first and LAST name.
I don't see how anyone could ever possibly think this was Madonna. If you were around and paying attention when she came out, music was different. You couldn't just get a record deal because you looked cute or hot. You had to have talent. No record label would have given her a contract if she couldn't do her own vocals. Besides, she sings live constantly. She does most vocals live at her concerts, performed live at the Academy Awards twice, and she filmed part of Evita live. (Do those who think this is Madonna think a studio would hire someone and hire another singer to do the vocals on top of that? Give me a break.)
To go along with someone in the Aretha Franklin category...what about Linda Ronstadt? No idea how she would fit it all in, but 13 letters and has put out an album as recently as 2006.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else remember an old interview with Sheryl Crow where she says something to the effect that before she became famous she had done the actual singing (not back up) for some famous artists but wouldn't say who? I can't find anything about it online.
Sheryl Crow= S
Sheryl Crow definitely worked as a back-up singer for both Don Henley and Michael Jackson. I'm sure there were others, but those are the only two I can think of at the moment.
Oh, duh. I just reread your post, Frieda, and you DID say actual singing, not back-up. Plus I listed men, heheheh. Whoops. As y'all were. ;-)
I'm feeling J-Ho for this. To those that say she said she couldn't sing when promoting Selena - that's not how I remember it at ALL! She was desperate to do the vocals for that film, as she always wanted to be a singer. She tried and they said NO WAY because she was awful. But she did lip sync very well.
I also don't think it's Gloria Estefan. I've seen footage of her singing when she was young - still in high school, I think and she can sing. It WOULD shock me if it was her.
The 3 LEAST shocking people this would be to me would be J-Lo, Britney or Madonna. If you're looking to shock me, it's Barbara Striesand, Aretha Franklin, Emmy Lou Harris. The top contenders wouldn't shock me - Britney did a whole lip syncing tour!
Whew! at least its not Hilary Duff! ;)
(Only some of you will get that from a post a few weeks ago)
Thank you!
And that was atrocious.
Jennifer Lopez doesn't have 13 letters. Only 10.
Hi everyone. I've been reading this blog since June and after spending an hour researching I am now compelled to post for the first time. Sorry in advance for the length :|
The only clue I found (after reading every MV tag) that doesn't fit for JLo but does for Britney is the clue from November 25 2006 that MV was setting up an "in-depth interview" about her life issues. This coincides with Brit's divorce from K-Fed (she filed in early november 3 weeks before this clue and only DAYS before the orignial MV post)
However, after getting out pad and paper (yeah, i'm that bored) and mapping out the MV timeline from the original post and comparing it to both divas, JLo's matches most.
-- If S was approached in late 2000 (let's say September?) and then several months later heard the songs on the radio that could be JLo's album "JLO" released in Janauary 2001 - this is around the time of the infamous Versace dress and Puffy days and Enty makes a point to say MV was really taking off around this time - Brit Brit came on the map in the late 90's (i'm a 90's kid, i remember it fondly) Then 9 months(ish) and MV goes on tour so about septmember 2001.
-- THEN "a year later" S records more songs for MV's next album which would be around late 2002 WHICH coincides with "This Is Me... Then" in November 2002! Then a few years/albums later she decides to do it on her own? No dount Marc Anthony was a factor in that decision around 2006.
-- I have NO DOUBT that the Mystery Guy is Benny Medina - he would do anything for JLO and they had a major falling out in 2003-2004 and didn't make up until 2007 which would explain why, in 2006, S stopped getting payments from "Guy" because he was no longer involved with MV's projects
.... whew. My fingers hurt. What do you all think?
I kind of like this guess. Remember when Madonna first came along all of her singing was at a much higher pitch? At some point it got deeper.
Congartulations on the anniversary Enty (6 years, right?)!!!!!!
@lakeuniongirl...
"At some point it got deeper..."
It got deeper because she aged... that's what happens. Your voice isn't going to sound the same in your 30s, 40s and 50s as it does in your 20s.
Is there any reason why on one of the past blind items, one of the tags down at the bottom says "Ashlee Simpson?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86F5PKwvs4A
Just listen to her vocals.
I know it doesn't fit a lot of the clues, just throwing it out there: Jessica Simpson? Or avril lavigne? Just trying to get more names in the mix. I think jlo tho.
@malibubarbie "Combined, the first and last name equals 13 letters." Not madonna.
Mary j.blige real name is mary jane blige. 13 letters.Started in the 90's. She released an album in 2011. She is married. Her husband has three children from a previous relationship so she can be considered as having children. She was in a 6 years relationship with k-ci so she had a real separation (if i remember well the blind said divorced or had a real seperation). And k-ci is hyphenated.
And this would be more shocking than britney or j-lo.
@Rins - you just blew my mind!
[and i am most upset I have been off the internets all day and lost this fun post!!]
@Borg Queen - Lainey revealed a couple of years ago that Beyonce uses a pre-recorded live version of her songs for concerts, i.e. she lipsyncs..
I always thought MV was J-Lo but Rins truly made a good point!
@Lisa Tee hee that's all I've been thinking about too
I'm not entirely convinced who it could be, but I am loving the trip down memory lane watching old videos of JLo and Britney. Gawd, I miss the 90s!
P.S. Can't be Madonna. She didn't release a new album in 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_released_in_2011
I originally thought no way this is Jlo but ya'll are making me change my mind. Especially with Cory's timeline breakdown. I'm so happy there are people who put in the hardwork so I don't have to.
Am I the only one who knows who enty really is on here?
I forgot to remind that Enty said in november 2006 that he protected himself by placing the beginning of the timelime in the 2000's.
Shakira Ripoll 13 letter, her pseudonym at university Isabel mabarak 13 letters, would shock industry
Uh oh. Me thinks its about to get very interesting...
Back in 2008 I spent a ridiculous amount of time researching this (longtime "Enty" reader & there was a blizzard or something). Listen to JLo's "Waiting for Tonight" vocals on headphones. You can you tube it. There is absolutely a different female voice mixed very high over JLos lead. JLos vocals are mixed in there, but there is a distinct soulful quality to those leads that are NOT there in JLo's records after 2008.
Part of what Enty said in a post that has since been deleted is that S DIED of cancer. That was a huge hook to all of this - and what a total bitch M was to S when they were in the same room once.
What I found was a singer (I can't remember her name, no one you'd know, I'll see if I can find it again) who sang with some reggae group or something, and if you listened to her leads it was the SAME voice as the leads on the JLo album...and the thing was there was a loooong time after S supposedly died, before JLo released another album, and this time her awful singing voice is front and center. That soulful sound from JLos 1 and 2 albums was gone.
OK I'm off to reconstruct my research but I believe this is JLo. Also, I've seen Madonna live up close in concert three times, and that is definitely her on the records. She lipsyncs about half her show but that is her voice with a ton of effects on it. Not Linda Ronstadt, I've seen her live up close too and she sings everything - that is her voice.
I think JLo has sung on her records, but mixed waaaay far down on those first two, and this S singer is the voice you really hear.
Listen on headphones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66jPJVS4JE
Also close your eyes, don't watch JLo singing it, it doesn't even sound like her.
I think you're right. I still think S is famous now,only not in America. She is Japanese.The first clue about "S"said we would've heard her voice in commercials. There is one voice in a commercial that stands out to me like sounding like J-lo did on her first album. The song from Kingdom Hearts video game. Her husband made her stop recording for Disney when they didn't pay her for it. The whole plot sounds similar as do their voices. She obviously has way more experience than the S of the blind but if he fudged it a bit it ties in some too.
This may be long, but here is every clue (I think).
1.Either our singer or someone she has been married to has had a nickname or a hyphenation in their nickname.
2.The final clue for this anniversary week is MV was born in the United States.
3. MV has been separated (real separation and not just kicking the guy out for a couple of days) and/or divorced at least once. Tomorrow's final clue will eliminate one of your favorite guesses.
4. MV has at least one child.
5. To borrow a phrase from Ted C, MV ain't: Mandy Moore, Pink, Norah Jones, Beyonce
6. MV has been or is currently married.
7. So as I waded my way through another 200 comments, I noticed another theme popping up which was whether the award was a BAFTA. It wasn't. So you can remove from your consideration that Cornell woman. Second, remember the A-lister was an A lister at that time.
8. MV is the only person who can come forward without any repercussions. Myself, S, and Guy do not have that option available to us.
9. MV UPDATE DEVELOPING----- Someone who knows MV, but does not know about the S situation told me this morning that MV was contemplating an in depth interview to address some issues in her personal and professional life. Could this be one of the issues?
10. The first comment/subject I want to address is the S/MV item. The only thing I will say is I will not confirm or deny anything. I really cannot do that. However, with that being said, one thing I will say about myself is that I love my friends, and if you are my friend you know you will not get trashed here or behind your back or anywhere else. Some of you have guessed a certain person and I make very clear in another entry that she is a really good friend of mine and therefore could not be the correct guess. Also, she reads the blog, so be nice. lol
11. This really happened just as I said it did..However, there was also a settlement agreement that was confidential which I cannot violate as well...THEREFORE, I have taken certain precautions such as using the year 2000 as a starting point..In addition, I am very vague when I use times such as several weeks or months....It would not be fair to S or the other parties involved or ethical to be any more specific in this situation..
The other day, I heard, "I'm Real" on the radio and it convinced me that if this Blind is in fact real and not manufactured, it was about J-Lo.
Hearing that song, I could totally be convinced that it wasn't her singing.
Ok I'll take the bait, even if we all regret it later. No, Unknown, we don't know who enty is. How do you know?
Long time lurker, first time poster. What if it was Kelly Clarkson or someone along those lines. While that's highly unlikey that anyone would get away with faking singing on a live show, that would definitely rock the music industry.
@Amandakari...
Interesting, but Kelly Clarkson would at least be out with not having ever been married or having kids.
@Rins, I thought about this too
I don't think it's Britney. I just watched a bunch of videos of her singing live. JLo seems like the most likely, based on entry's clues. I'm just not sure his clues are actually designed to point us to the right person. I agree with the red herring sentiments.
At some point, I was listening to a collaborative song with a female vocalist that I just assumed was J.Lo. Sounded just like her other music. I was shocked when I found out that it wasn't J.Lo. singing - just some unknown studio singer. No doubt in my mind who it was now. I only wish I could remember which song it was...
@ Deree - I've always thought that Kingdom Hearts singer sounded just like J-Lo. At first I thought it was her and was really surprised to find out it wasn't.
That song was FAMOUSLY stolen from Chante Moore. google it.It was originally on Chante's 2nd album. Chante even did an interview where she went smooth OFF about it.
Definitely not Kelly Clarkson or any of the Idol singers - they all sang live in front of millions of people. Not Whitney, I've seen her up close singing too, that was every note her unreal voice...I think Enty fudged a lot of details but remember S IS NOW DEAD. Enty deleted the part about her dying but there is still a reference to the "cancer" in one of the posts. Not sure why Enty deleted it but S is definitely dead. That was what created a crisis for MV - she couldn't make records for a few years because her vocal ghost had died. And JLo went a few years during the timeline without recording anything - her sound is distinctly different. I have familiarity with the recording process and how it sounds when multiple voices are mixed together. JLos are.
Having said all that, and loving this site as I do, I also know it could all just be total bullshit and there is no MV at all...or Enty for that matter.
@Unknown - yes, there are a couple who know who Entry is.
Not Mariah either. That is all her.
Jad has met enty, but who's to say whether what she knows is actually true? Has anybody else met enty?
Several people have guesses.
I personally think enty is in the biz somehow but is not an attorney. I'm also on the enty is a woman bandwagon.
**Jax. Autocorrect is annoying.
I've never been really good at these but here is a possible connection to link together MV and S.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You_Had_My_Love
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_(album)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_Jerkins
Listen to this girl sing "simple and clean". She sounds so much jlo the first time I heard the commercial for Kingdom hearts I thought it was J-lo.which made her my guess for S long ago but I never bothered to look up producers both had worked with until today.
If we remember correctly S was used to working with this producer. What if she really had been super successful in Japan but they didn't suspect she would be as marketable in the US as jlo is? Enty could have fudged several details regarding this woman. It seems the times each worked with this guy jive.I just can't get over the similarity in vocals between the two.
Yeah,and she worked with the same producer rodney jerkins on her album Distance as Jlo did on her first album.Stands to reason she would think those tracks weren't odd in the least. Again I think Enty fudged to keep us off the trail lol. I am 100% convinced S is Utada Hikaru.She has had successful stuff stateside but in this time frame she was basically just trying to cross over here. She just wasn't deemed marketable enough at that time in the states when JLo was such a hot up and comer.. Enty just fudged the successful in Japan already to throw us off. I don't remember anything about S having died of cancer,just that mv treated her really crappy when they met.
June Pointer of the Pointer Sisters died of breast cancer the same time as S.
LisaB, great recap !!!
If you youtube her "Jenny from the Block" live, you will notice that no matter when it was taped (MTV Video Awards, Today Show, etc), it's the same lip-synch track. She has never updated it.
My guess for S actually had cancer in 2002 but she survived it. Did he really say she died? I don't recall.
First time commenter but have been reading the blog for years in the shadows.
As this last clue cones out, I can't shake off one of the clues that was brought up in haste in 2006. Had to go back and read, it said this
"Someone who knows MV, but does not know about the S situation told me this morning that MV was contemplating an in depth interview to address some issues in her personal and professional life. Could this be one of the issues?"
Nothing was update then, but given that we are in the Britney vs. J-Lo train, I checked their timelines to see what matched up to the dates. In 2006 Britney was married to KFed and about to give birth to her second son, none of the craziness had come up yet. J-Lo on the other hand, was married to Skeletor and had had that notorious incident with Diddy.
I'll go with her. She's a HUGE diva.
I think this is JLo too. She really should have stayed with acting, she was actually good in her early works like Out of Sight with George Clooney.
Thanks Agent, i've been waiting a while to post that.
On @Amber's name advice. ... I would be shocked if Cher was bogus. Her real name is abbreviated from Cheryl. So Cher Sarkisian is 13. Born in America. 2000 hit "Believe." One clue a year? A regular year?
That Shakira guess is very interesting
Okay, just for fun again and because I don't want to live in a world where the answer to this blind is J.Lo (sorry, astrogirl), how about:
Cher Sarkisian (Shhh...pretend you don't know her real name is Cherilyn)
Divorced from Sal "Sonny" Bono
Kids
Had a record in 2010-2011 with "Burlesque"
Tours worldwide as a bestselling mega superstar idol
So let's approach this not as a matter of her being a poor singer, because no one would ever think that, but that maybe mid-career, for whatever reason, her voice changes and loses some quality. Maybe in the mid-80s, when she's filming movies and making weird catalogs of chain maille lingerie and Byzantine style furniture. So, they bring S in to keep things consistent, everything's fine, but then somewhere in the 90s the fallout happens, S withdraws, and that's when we get the crazy auto-tuned "Believe" Cher from the late '90s, because without S, that's all they could do to make her voice palatable.
I looked thru old comments in a bunch of posts and someone else pointed out that Screechy Peach who sang w Outkast died of breast cancer in 2007.
I knew it! JLO!
I can see P Diddy being the producer, I feel like he did the same thing with his girlfriend Cassie. Remember her? A one hit wonder from 2006 with that song Me and You. She was a pretty face but was exposed for being an awful singer after disastrous performances on TRL (she was lip synching and there was behind the scenes footage released of her producer telling her shortly before she went on stage "no matter what happens out there, I got your back" If she was just gonna go out there and lip synch,why would you have to give someone that kind of pep talk? Unless it wasn't their voice on the record and she was nervous she was gonna somehow screw it up ) and BET (she attempted to sing live and was beyond awful...after that, she never performed on TV again and she dropped off the face of the earth. She's since tried to make a comeback but everything she's released has flopped)
It's ok Rins :). I love reading all the guesses, but you have to admit J Lo really was "everywhere" at one stage, Cher was big but not like Jenny from the Block.
Weird about that Utada Hikaru being S. I have a couple of her songs on my ipod and I have never thought she sounded like Jlo until you guys brought it up. There is a slight similarity that could make this Jlo.
Utada records the songs. Jlo records her versions. They mix both so that Jlo's slighty overpowers Utada so as to make sure that it is not known that there is a ghost singer. They can make it look like Jlo has been autotuned.
But we also cannot forget that Enty fudged up the timeline. Meaning that it can't be the beginning of 2000. Could be the early 90's. Because from the date of the first MV post, it would have been six years since MV debuted. Not nearly enough time to put out 2+ albums. I think this is early 1990's or maybe even the 80's since it had been happening for years (imo at least 10).
I would be shocked if this was Cher. Her name is an abbreviation for Cheryl. So Cher Sarkisian is 13. She was born in America. "Believe" came out in 2000. She was "everywhere" then. One clue a regular year?
Changing my guess: Beyonce Carter ;)
I don't know... J- Lo seems to fit, but Ashanti has basically admitted in the past to being a ghost singer for her.
http://popdirt.com/ashanti-addresses-ghost-singing-for-jennifer-lopez/4542/
Desiree, I agree. I find JLo's singing to be pretty bad. If it wasn't for her being Jennifer Lopez, I don't think she would have gotten a record deal at all. I don't see someone using that voice and claiming it as their own, when it is that mediocre.
Just wondering if anyone eliminated Brandy Norwood? The date is the only clue that doesn't really match. She wasn't legally married but I consider that more of a technicality because she considered herself spiritually married or something. Anyway, she has a kid, has been separated and blew up when she first came out. Plus with her trying to be a rap artist and stuff her recent stuff sounds different. Her ex also had a nickname "big Bert"
I still personally am leaning jlo, but just thought I'd throw her out there.
Don't think it's Brandy. She started out as a child.
I think the key is that it had to be someone who was already a name and then had a recording career.
There are too many attractive, young people who can actually sing. A record label isn't going to have a need, nor want to, take an unknown person with no talent and go through all the trouble and expense, just because they look good.
You can argue that they did it with Milli Vanilli but I think times are different now and that was sort of just a fluke.
@fijigirl, same. I recently started at Day 1 of the blog and have been reading a little bit every day. I miss the old stuff.
@graham, I agree, I thought about her starting young too, but just was trying to think of anyone else that fit. I was thinking she might have the connection tho with her dad being a gospel singer, but then that might only prove her talent.
I honestly think the person who made the comment that the artists being NY based too in the very first MV post is right, just because Enty immediately commented after saying "I never said they weren't". It's gotta be jlo.
Thanks Lisa B!!
Just listened to Utada Hikaru on YouTube. She sounds just like J-Lo.
But... why would producers think she wasn't marketable enough? Utada Hikaru is beautiful.
I agree Utada is totally beautiful but maybe not right for the market they were trying to hit with miss Jennifer who they saw as the possibility of being huge. I could be totally off,it was always the songs in commercials thing that got me. That Kingdom hearts commercial played constantly plus she's had others too.I think a best buy one?
This is how I see it.
It has to be first and last names of 13 letters total
These names are too short:
Mary Blige
Katie Perry
Alecia Moore (Pink)
Destiny or Miley Cyrus either way
Shania Twain
Cheryl Crowe
Cheryl Cole
Hillary Duff
Avril Lavigne
LeAnn Rimes
Adele (Adkins)
Amy Winehouse
Taylor Swift
Kesha (Sebert)
Alicia Keys
Demi Lovato
Selena Gomez
Missy Elliott
Mandy Moore
Janet Jackson
Gwen Stefani
Mariah Carey
Fiona Apple
Joss Stone
Jewel Kilcher
Beyonce Knowles
Courtney Love
Mandy Moore
Lily Allen
Nelly Furtado
Too Long:
Christina Aguilera
Nicole Scherzinger
Jessica Simpson
Ashanti (Douglas)
Rihanna (Kenty)
Stefani Germanotta
Norah Jones (Geetali Shankar)
Melanie C. (Chisholm)
Vanessa Williams
Sarah McLaughlin
Madonna Ciccone
Whitney Houston
Names with Thirteen Letters:
Cher (Sarkisian): too much to lose,
more a stylist anyhow
Kelly Clarkson: live contest winner
Shakira (Ripoll): Singing since childhood
Britney Spears: Same as Shakira
Gloria Estefan: too established
Lil Kim (Kimberly Jones): a rapper,
I don't think she's ever claimed to
be a great singer, not sure tho
Fergie (Stacy Ferguson)constantly
asked to sing on other artists' albums
Ashlee Simpson
Jennifer Lopez
I don't know if the outing of
Ashlee Simpson as a faker
would have shocked the music industry or not, but she
did have a couple of very popular songs around that time.
Jennifer Lopez was a dancer first,
and very ambitious. I think she
has probably worked hard to become a much better singer,
but her vocals have always sounded
padded to me.
So, I think it's Jennifer Lopez.
(I know I'm a nerd, btw)
Not Natalie Maines. She's from a well known musical family in Lubbock. Her father was pedal steel player for The Maines Brothers & The Joe Ely Band. Plus The Dixie Chicks were playing all over Dallas for 5 years before they asked Natalie Maines to join them as lead singer. Why would they ask somebody who can't sing to be their new lead singer? They only got big after Natalie joined. And she's singing all over the documentary film "Shut Up and Sing".
Since the dates were fudged, Madonna Ciccone?
@Tricia..
As has been discussed here a lot... there is no possible way this is Madonna.
Additionally, re-count the letters, that's 14, not 13.
If this is mariah Carey, I will stop believing in Santa. On the other hand, if its either Jlo or britney, I won't be blown away with the reveal.
Not Ashlee Simpson. She's cited in the original blind as not being as shocking as MV. Besides, she had that MTV reality show where we had to listen to get screech her way through recording her album.
Unknown = B.Profane?
please not again!!!
re-reading earlier clues and posts, I don't think it is the singer that would rock the industry but the producer involved, especially if the record company wasn't in on it, which clues suggest they are not. uber producers, anybody?
@ L, folks need to stop going down that particular rabbit hole; it's tedious, convoluted and only leads to despair...
Definitely NOT Cher. She was singing live on television in the 1960s and 1970s. She still sounds the same.
I'm shifting my guess to J-Lo.
A-Rod, right?
I am now convinced, after much research that this is tommy mottola and mariah carey. it would rock the industry to its core. second album more successful than first, dates fudged for red herring. her sound changed after break up with tm, she hasn't done her multi - octave thing since then, all r and b. hospitalized for breakdown. I can't make some clues fit, like 13 letters, but this would as I say, rock the industry more than Diddy and jlo.
Beyonce Carter?
@L, I know!!!! I wondered the same thing. Time to let it go.
Mariah mottola is 13 letters the clue is first and last name equal 13 letters. not just mv, could be combined with producer, especially if she was married to him. did Mariah ever take his name? I know not professionally, but legally? I am convinced this is them. the industry could easily cut diddy and jlo loose. mottola is at the top and Mariah is a part of music history folklore.
What about Fergie? Stacy Ferguson=13, one of the clues said nickname or hyphenated nickname. She was a kid actress, has dabbled in it as an adult. Born in America. Black Eyed Peas were in the top 40 in 2001. Plus the way their career has been, it fits the original clue as to albums coming out.. And it would be scandalous to find out its not Fergie singing, especially since her solo album did so well. she has said public ally she would not do another solo album and the BEP or on an indefinite hiatus. That's just weird...
I don't think it is J-Lo because in the movie Selena, she was singing the whole time. Seemed pretty authentic to me...
@jeannine, actually she didnt sing at all during that movie, that was all actual Selena tracks.
I'm #300.
Nice Agent! 300 is BIG!
I'm still stuck on Jlo but the Mariah guess would be catastrophic if true. Very interesting.
Stop with the Mariah guesses. It's not her. Any one who has ever watched her knows it isn't her. The first 10 years of her career were based on live performances.
To the person who questioned why she no longer does the multi-octave thing... it's because her voice is wrecked. All that breathy, whisper singing screwed her voice up.
I'm right
For all those on the Mariah and Britney Bandwagons:
Mariah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ytvdo3yMLgM
Britney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWWwIs1DhU
I had forgotten how much of a narcissist Mariah was when she still had a voice. She used to start singing in interviews whenever she could just to show off.
Britney's voice in these clips sound like her CDs. Not her.
As far as J-Lo goes, there was only one clip I could find of her singing live, but it's in Spanish and it sounds awful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i8d68dzYeM
The problem is that Jennifer Lopez's music never SOUNDED that good! No one has ever thought she had much of a voice, so I don't think it's her.
This is NOT Beyonce! As much as some of you may hate her personality, etc., girl can SING! And yes, maybe she pre-recorded some tracks when she sings live if she's planning on doing big dance breaks, but here is a link of her warming up in her dressing room, as proof that her voice is actually outstanding:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/video/showbiz/celebs-exposed/3604642/Beyonce-sings-in-dressing-room.html
And for those of you saying her voice maybe sounded different when she sang with Destiny's Child? Well she was a teenager then, and people's voices change and develop when they get older. But a trick to see if people are really singing or lip-synching which I've learned is: watch people's tracheas/throat areas. If you notice that moving a lot up and down while singing, they are most likely singing live. If you notice hardly any movement, (it's easy to tell when cameras pan close) they are likely lip-synching.
I believe that Enty already cleared Beyonce from this being her.
J-Lo never toured.
I'm still on the Madonna Louise bandwagon...and am wondering why 'Graham'(who just popped up) is defending her so vorciferously...
Has anyone considered the actual name might not be a stage name but the persons actual name in real life.
Louise Ciccone (13 letters). Google that and see who comes up as a result.
Assuming this is J-Lo, I wonder what her first husband knows. She has worked hard to keep him quiet.
This would be a HUGE scandal even today. The Spanish media would have a field day and not let this one go away. Especially considering she was married to Marc Anthony. There would be a huge fall-out with his fans because of what he knew or helped her cover up.
good point Peerless Phil .... that's Madonna, isn't it?
i just don't think the whole J-Lo thing would "rock" the industry. to me she's had more of a movie career than a singing career.
i know it's not Britney because of the live videos out there AND she once sang a capella on SNL back in the day.
the only stars that this would rock the world would be someone like Mariah or Madonna.
Enty did already clear Beyonce from the list. Along with some others that somebody already posted above several times.
Utada is signed with Def Jame records, has been featured in Time magazine, and has four tracks on the Top 100 All Time Best selling Singles. She is not S.
I'm with you, Peerless Phil ;)
@jsierra. I know she was famous in japan at the time she recorded Distance.Crossing over here has proved more difficult. If Enty didn't fib about the years this first happened both working with Rodney Jerkins at around the same time is an interesting link. At that time she was signed to EMI japan. Enty could have fudged a lot as he has been known to do. There are clues to "S"identity that match her,including cancer in 2002,unless of course S died as some are saying .I thought she was just as good a guess as ASHANTI for S. Utada is not well known stateside and while she is famous elsewhere,not so much here at least not when this started.The similarities between their vocals are enough to make one wonder. I think the year this blind started I was hearing the kingdom hearts commercial all the time.Incidentally Utada had one heck of a falling out with Disney and they were not paying her so she didn't do the subsequent kingdom hearts soundtracks.
I'm gonna say J-Lo. Enty said he fudge the details to protect those involved so we can't pay TOO much attention to the details to the clues.
@malibubarbie... I havent been voraciously defending Madonna. Ive made several comments about who this cant be. I do find it completely ridiculous and annoying that people keep making the same guesses when its already been pointed out that those people dont fit.
Continuing to guess Madonna is more about wanting it to be about her rather than looking at the facts, many of which have already been mentioned over all the MV threads. And not by me. Further, anyone Who isnt lazy can do 30 seconds of research to see Madonna, Mariah, Britney, among several of the other repeated guesses, do their own singing. Then again, you didnt bother to research that I didnt just pop up on here, Ive been around for awhile and have posted frequently.
Madonna doesnt match several of the clues. Use some logic. You cant make 1 + 1 = 5, no matter how you try to bend the numbers.
@ Graham
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
J-Lo accapella http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=3i8d68dzYeM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3i8d68dzYeM
J-Lo's voice is so terrible it has to be real. And she basically speak-sings anyways, so there's no way this is her.
I have to guess Britney Spears. She's been a manufactured product from the very beginning. She's never sung live. Her singing voice sounds nothing like her. It's higher pitched, and the person sings skillfully to sound higher pitched and younger. Britney could not do that. I'd be surprised if she can sing her way out of a wet paper bag. Vocal talent has never been Britney's focus. It's always been about the packaging. This isn't really all THAT shocking given how sordid the entertainment industry usually is. Just glad it;s not a pedophile/abuse/sicko blind again.
The technology has improved over the decade to make crappy singers sound good, like Auto Tune etc.
I don't think it is Mariah. Any singer's voice has the potential to change over time especially if you damage your vocal chords, Everyone and their brother copied her style and if she wanted to sing songs live consistently just cut out the multi-octave stuff. She looks nervous when she does her old stuff and has to do the high notes or she seems to change the arrangement so she doesn't have to go there.
Remember Whitney -the drugs ruined her voice and she couldn't hit those high notes anymore either.
@Tina Mallette
It's mostly the breathy, whisper singing that Mariah used to do that messed her voice up, not the high, multi-octave stuff. Whispering is the worst on your vocal chords.
I don't care how bad she sounds this is Jlo. It would be shocking no matter who it is just because it is such a ridiculous thing to do.
I think this whole thing is made up. Either that or lots of details are being fudged. Think about it - there is no incentive for Enty to even remotely have anyone guess this correctly. And if we follow the clues, then we have to assume the this singer has released an album AFTER S stopped doing the singing. So shouldn't we have noticed a marked difference in someone's voice? Jlo certainly sounds the same to me.
I want this to be Madonna. Yell at me all you want for it, but J.Lo didn't tour like the blind described so any name guessed does not have every clue that fits perfectly.
Besides, I swear the lyrics to "Ray of Light" describe her fear of being outed to a "T".
For J-Lo the one clue that doesn't match is that she didn't have hundreds of tour dates.
Madonna did not have an album out in 2010 or 2011, she does not have a nickname nor was she married to anyone with a nickname that has a hyphen in it, and her first and last name totals more than 13 letters... and yet this is somehow still her?
Stretch it however you need to, I guess.
In the spirit of the chase though.... Can I point out that Jlo has not done hundreds of concerts.certianly not at the time of the original post. Britney has.
@Volvican, I agree. I take all these blinds with a grain of salt. It's just too convenient that, in terms of this blind, it will basically never be revealed.
Also funny is that this blind is eerily similar to an episode of, I believe it was, "The Adventures of Superboy." It had to do with a famous singer who, as it turns out, was being dubbed by a former famous voice who was now in a wheel chair and deemed unmarketable.
What's also so convenient is that blinds like this are always listed with an asterisk that names, dates, etc. etc. etc. are fudged... and then everyone then twists it to make it what they want it to be (and makes it convenient for Enty to either never reveal or when it is revealed match it to something that fits).
So, how much do we allow for "fudging?" Has Enty been known to go back as far as two decades on a fudged date?
Heck, maybe it didnt happen in 2000, it happened in 1940, and the person didn't have two albums, it was really just one song... and it wasn't a tour, it was a handful of radio spots, and... they weren't married to someone with a hyphenated nickname... it was their dog and... it's not 13 letters in their name but he really meant 8 and um.. by the way, it wasn't really a female singer, it was a male singer.
That's pretty much how people sound when they give allowance for Enty's fudges.
I still think it's Jennifer Lopez, and although some think that she's not a significant enough singer, I think one needs to remember that it's music SALES that drive the industry, and Jennifer Lopez is one of the highest earning female singers in history.
I still don't think her voice is that great, but it's a hell of a lot better than it was five or six years ago. She's rich and can afford the best vocal coaches.
She was married to Mark Anthony,
who has a genuine talent and she
would have learned a lot from him in terms of technique.
I wish he would give us a bit more on S but honestly too much and we might guess who she is.
I think he fudges quite a bit.
Jlo. And I still think she used American Idol as her own personal auditions for her newest and next voice.
@DixieTheNoble82...
hahaha. That was brilliant!
@Dixie. Good point and highly possible.
Madonna's nickname is "Madge"
Louise Ciccone is 13 letters
Using the label "Guy" could be a clue to her former husband.
December 2010 Madonna announced a plan to release an album in 2011
http://www.homorazzi.com/article/madonna-2011-album-collaborations-announcement-facebook-followers-fans-new-music/
The clues say first and last name total 13 letters. Louise is not Madonna's first name, nor has she ever gone by th ename Louise.
The clue says the performer goes by a nickname or was married to someone that goes by a nickname that has a hyphen in it. "Madge," does not have a hyphen in it.
The clue given from 11/10/11 states that the singer had released an album within the past year. ANNOUNCING an album to be released is different than actually having an album released.
Sorry, but trying to get any of the above to stick to Madonna is just stretching.
Choose her as your guess, that's fine, but logically, it doesn't make sense.
*not to mention that all those claiming this be Madonna or Britney continue to ignore the countless number of footage of them singing live. A quick youtube search shows you enough clips that nobody could deny is actually them singing.
I say this with peace & love as just a friendly debate.
The clue says "Either our singer or someone she has been married to has had a nickname or a hyphenation in their nickname."
I consider "Madge" a nickname.
I also consider her Sticky & Sweet Tour CD that was released in March 2010 within 12 months of November 10, 2011 when Enty posted the clue that MV released a cd within the past 12 months.
Don't get me wrong, I TOTALLY see how this can be J-lo also, but I want it to be Madonna.
Okay, going off of the singer having a nickname... that's a ridiculous clue, and can be attributed to anyone.
March 2010 is not within 12 months of November 10, 2011. That's 20 months after, and a bit of a stretch.
But if you want to somehow stretch the above to match Madonna, it still doesn't jive with the total number of letters in the first and last name equaling 13... and by trying to use her middle name to fit that, is reaaaaaally stretching it.
And we're still ignoring the fact that Madonna has sung live countless of times and they're all available at your finger tips for viewing.
Like I said, if she's your choice, so be it. Logically though, it doesn't fit. And IMO, people are now just trying to make people fit into the clues.
I think the clues most match J-Lo, minus the touring, but I honestly don't even think it's her. I can see if this were a Paula Abdul case where another singer's voice was layered with the singer, but this blind states that the tracks are entirely S's voice.
I still maintain though, that listening to JLOs, "Im Real..." struck me as really not even sounding anything like her. I also find the song title ironic if she really did use a voice double.
Funny, I was just thinking that if this was J-Lo who the "Guy" would be. It would have to be someone who had enough power to pull the whole thing off either without the record company knowing or enough clout to get the record company to approve.
Tommy Mottola? As head of Sony's Label at the time, he pretty much had the power to do whatever he wanted. And then I found this:
"Tommy Mottola, the head of the label suggested to her that she sing in English instead. She complied and began recording her debut studio album On the 6. During production of the On the 6, Lopez was aware of the fact that she received her recording contract on the premise of her looks and having an already established name in the entertainment industry... Prior to the debut of her music, critics wondered why she would take the risk of launching a music career. It was noted that: "If the album was a flop, not only would it embarrass Lopez, but it might even damage her career."
I've always said that if this were true, it had to be someone who was already famous and a name that they wanted to capitalize off of.
What better reason than to hire a stand in vocalist?
We've also not ever really seen Jennifer Lopez sing live or stray from tracks she's already "recorded," unlike Britney, Madonna, Mariah, etc. who all have performances that you can tell are live and go off the cuff.
Oh geez.... Yes, March 2010 is not within 12 months of November 2011, you're right. lol How embarrassing. I think J.Lo has performed live on Oprah, she sang with Marc Anthony at some awards show where they sang in Spanish, she sang live on SNL but I've also seen a ton of lip synching from her too then again I've also seen a ton of Madonna lip synching too. I thought it was interesting that S didn't know who the guy's name that paid her but Enty knew exactly who he was just by her description of him. I think that could be pretty telling.
I seriously, SERIOUSLY hate to say this because I've read this blog from the beginning and love it so much, but it has crossed my mind this blind is bogus and Enty has backed himself in a corner with it like someone previously suggested. I would never consider this to Britney just because Enty was/is friends with her and he's said she reads this blog, etc. I used to think this was Paula Abdul by how weird she acts when anyone requests she sing, she avoids the mic like the plague and toured with Milli Vanilli at one time I thought but the clues have long since eliminated her.
I could see the Paula angle, and frankly, I think, if this is a bogus blind, where a lot of it got conjured up. If you're old enough to recall the mid-90's, someone came out and claimed that they were a ghost voice for Paula. She didn't say her voice was completely used, but she said she was layered with Paula's vocals on some of Paula's hits. Paula never really recorded an album after that came out... although, that was quite possibly because her albums subsequently started to tank and she was becoming irrelevant.
Paula always denied the claims but it's interesting that with her big boost on American Idol, she never tried to release another album. Seems like the most practical thing to do to capitalize on that popularity. With the exception of one single, she never did any more "singing."
All the "live" performances I've seen of Jennifer Lopez seem like they could be done to a track. I have never seen her do what Britney, Madonna, and Mariah, Whitney, etc. have done and sit down in an interview and just sing acapella or at a piano or with a guitar acoustic.
It would be interesting to compare all of J-Lo's live performances and see if it sounds like the same track is used.
Again, I'm not even close to believing that this blind is real, but if it is, I'd put my money on J-Lo.
Most clues indicate J-Lo, but the problem is some of her "live" performances haven't been perfect. In the one where she sings in Spanish with Marc Anthony on an awards show, her voice cracks midway through. There's another clip, that I posted earlier, where she's singing acapella in Spanish, and she's awful.
Wouldn't her time w Marc Anthony be after S was out of the picture tho? Just checking if I'm following the story right.
I also still want to know why "s" was tagged in the third set of pics on this day. The only female singers in the pics were Christina aguilera, carrie underwood and beyonce.
I do think the "blow the lid off the music industry" is a huge exaggeration and there's no good way to recover from such a set-up. It definitely would have been a big deal, but especially now that auto tune and different techniques have popped up it just wouldn't be shocking. But i mean I just don't think the clues fit anyone else but jlo..
Went and listened to some On the 6 songs and J.Lo sounds horrible. Can't be her....or the "shadow singer" sucked too.
But I don't have another guess.
@WW That's what I was thinking, also.
Jennifer Lopez started off as a track star, then became a dancer. I remember when she was on In Living Colour as a flygirl. She's very ambitious and hardworking.
I think someone noticed how successful Paula Abdul had become, even though she is a weak singer. Paula Abdul's vocals are always heavily mixed and layered. I think this is how J-Lo's singing career got underway, with some financial help from P.Diddy. J-Lo's early records have the same layering of voices, but maybe it's possible that the main track of the first couple of records wasn't sung by her at all..
J-Lo is such a hard worker though, and a perfectionist. I think she has made a huge effort to improve her voice enough to be able to sing the main track on her recordings.
I thought Britney was already eliminated because of this clue:
NOVEMBER 25, 2006
one thing I will say about myself is that I love my friends, and if you are my friend you know you will not get trashed here or behind your back or anywhere else. Some of you have guessed a certain person and I make very clear in another entry that she is a really good friend of mine and therefore could not be the correct guess.
Post from Nov. 14, 2006:
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2006/11/ok.html
"I need to start off by saying that I think Britney is a great person and one of the funniest people I have ever met. The other thing is that she is very intelligent."
Somebody with a chip in the game, or the 16 year old wife...
And jlo is j.lo, not j-lo
354 comments later and this continues to be an entertaining read
If it 's not JLo, then it 's the daughter of Timmy Shimmy.
@Agent**It - hands down, you are the funniest!!
And Christina's name isn't X-tina unless X has suddenly become the international symbol for Chris since I went to bed last night.
X is the symbol for Christ. as in Xmas, xtians etc. so it should be xina and xians
The idea that anyone thinks that Mary J Blige might be faking is still cracking me up.
Perhaps MV is...Susan Dey. I don't know if she's really playing the piano, either.
Seriously, though, RE: Britney...if Enty loves Britney so much, why the recent abortion/HIV reveal? Not that either should be condemned, but those are pretty private issues.
Man, I purposely stayed out of this thread because I knew it was just gonna be a JLo jerkoff.
You're right, guys. Jennifer Lopez was SO FAMOUS off of being a fly girl & Selena, an international search was conducted to find a singer whose singing voice sounded EXACTLY like Jennifer's speaking voice.
What. The. Fuck. Are you people smoking?
I say this every time MV is brought up, I may as well repeat it again: No one would give a shit if JLo was lip synching. And I like how one of the most important pieces of information gets tossed out in order to make JLo fit. The dates are fudged, guys.
I'm with the other poster who said this most likely happened in the early 90s. There are a few of Enty's first blinds that make me think a lot of the juicier blinds from when the blog first started take place then.
Anyway, all that said, I don't have a better guess.
AKM: maybe it's a newer Ent(it)y who wrote that one.
I listened to Jennifer. Then I listened to Britney. Various songs by each. I think that Jenn sounds very padded but also consistent and distinctive. There's something a bit nasal about her sound. Britney has a very inconsistent sound. I'm pretty sure that there's a lot of her own sound in there with those breathy sex kitten hiccups and such. But from the first time I ever saw her on TV I always thought she was a ridiculous over-lipsyncher. Yes she grew up but there are some odd differences track to track. It would explain part of her anxiety and nervous breakdown. And if Henry Rollins says someone's mixed in there, I'm inclined to believe him because he's not known to be a huge bullshitter.
I'm on the Britney train today.
Andrea Bocheli ... >:)
I was a big Jennifer Lopez fan back in the day and it would have surprised me to find out that she didn't really sing.
Ha Ha I read the comment about Henry Rollins not being a huge bullshitter and his "Liar" song immediately went through my head with him laughing. Aaaah good times. I love me some Henry Rollins. :)
I was playing that song when I typed that. I'm glad the irony was not lost on you.
I always thought it was common knowledge Brit's voice was heavily mixed and layered with back up singers help. She was never a super strong singer. I do not think she is MV. As for the hyphenated Jlo,when the nickname started it was hyphenated. She fits this blind perfectly except for the tour. I still say Enty has fudged plenty here to protect S 's identity much more than jlo. Who he doesn't seem to be overly fond of.
First time poster, LONG time lurker. I really believe Unknown is on to something
MV- Tionne Watkins (T-Boz)
S- maybe Kandi Burruss
Producers- LA Reid/ BAbyface
What if after Lisa Left Eye passed, Enty being a probate attorney (maybe) had some sort of business with TLC.
From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tionne_Watkins
"It was confirmed on October 1, 2012, that Watkins will have her own reality TV show on the TLC network. The show will open the door into T-Boz's struggles and successes, and the people who are there to support her as she works to make her dreams come true all over again.The show is expected to air in January 2013."
So, one of Enty's clue was : "MV is the only person who can come forward without any repercussions. Myself, S, and Guy do not have that option available to us."
If she is MV then do you think that there's at least a 50% chance that she will reveal it on her new show? Drama, drama and more Drama !
@Agent - in support of the TBoz guess...she sounds AWFUL in this performance, but maybe she was sick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCA7ZsoMS3Y
However, Chili and Left-Eye would also know the truth, so doesn't that kind of rule her out? Also, the producer guy would've had to record the sessions on his own without any other studio engineers, or that would also increase the scope people that know the truth. The way the blind is written, it sounds like ONLY 4 ppl know the truth. It sounds kind of implausible...
I'm on the Astrogirl trainJLo train, myself. But it is intriguing to think that if it is TBoz, she has a reality show to 'confess' on. But, then again, what would rality have to do with a reality show?":)
Yeah, I like the JLo guess except she hasn't had 100s of concerts all over the world UNLESS you count when she toured with Janet Jackson as backup. Which is a very likely caveat to that particular clue.
I know this post is dying down already, but I wanted to post some of what I found after spending a little time looking into this.
Despite what her fans might say to defend her, I think it would be a HUGE shock to the core of the music industry not only when this initially took place, but even to this day if this were... Mary J. Blige.
I know, I know. But hear me out.
We all know by Enty's own admission, that he has fudged on the dates. We can also assume he has fudged on some of the clues he has given us because the whole point is not to direct us to the answer in a straight path. (On a side note, even if we did solve this blind, it wouldn't matter because we won't know the answer until many other factors take place as he has pointed out previously!).
So, after reading all the MV posts and comments, and considering the clues and information are skewed, these are some facts about Mary J. Blige that make her fit this blind:
Her name is Mary Jane Blige = 13 letters (I know Enty said first and last name are 13 letters, but again, if the clues are skewed...)
She has been around enough time to cover a long time period, such as indicated by the 1st MV post.
According to IMDB, her nickname is: Queen of hip-hop soul (hyphen)
She was engaged to K-Ci Hailey (hyphen)who gave her the cut on her face from hitting her with a bottle and ended that relationship in 1997.
She was married to a shady manager and divorced him.
Though she has no biological kids, she was a stepmom (and may still be) to 3 children of her former husband/manager.
She was a back-up singer when she started in the business until she meet Sean Combs. Interesting IMO because he could have set her up with a singer of her own since they know how the game is played.
She has done TV commercials for AT&T, Burger King and Apple.
She has toured many times and released countless CD's. Additionally, she has been on a ton of award shows and is EVERYWHERE to this day.
Questions about her signing ability has been a subject on forums in the past. These forums have video of her performances that are just HORRIBLE to listen to. Here is a sample: http://prince.org/msg/8/363085?&pg=2
and
http://prince.org/msg/8/291249
A most recent performance that was ridiculous was this year when she sang the National Anthem. For someone as decorated as her in the award category, I can't explain this performance. It is terrible: http://mrldavis.com/2012/02/28/mary-j-blige-can-not-sing-and-her-national-anthem-performance-shows-that/
I only latched onto researching her because I never got what made her so special. When someone brought her up in the comments, it made we want to look into her more.
She can semi rap and I feel that is what has gotten her to where she is along with the fact that she slept her way around. But I don't think she is were she is because of her voice!
When she dueted with my favorite band U2 on the ONE song, I remember thinking WTF was Bono thinking and secondly, how ruined the song was for me. But then I learned that she and U2 shared the same producer or something like that, so it made a little more sense.
Overall, she had one song come out (I think it was Real Love) that I enjoyed, but that was it. Everytime I hear her on an award show, I mute it or change the channel. She is not Grammy material to me.
If this blind was about her, it would be a HUGE shock because of all the awards, nominations, films and so on she has under her belt. It would be all over the entertainment news channels as well as the national and international news channels.
I may not know who "S" is or "Guy", but she fits if you don't pay too much attention to the dates in the blind.
Something to think about. This had me watch some of her videos and live performances and wonder, "Can she really sing?" IMO, she would have been a perfect candidate for a session signer to do her a favor.
:cooling fingers with a bucket of ice:
@pe3k...
Welcome to the party. And thanks for the compliment... glad someone else can appreciate some logic!
To add some additional questions to the validity of this blind...
Someone else just mentioned something that I've been questioning too. If this were to have happened, there's no way that only 4 people could know about it. There had to be other people in the recording studio while "S" was recording.. sound engineers, mixers, etc. Now, on the off-chance that "Guy," was some sort of a musical genius that could do this, I still present this...
If Enty is in fact an Attorney and he assisted in this, someone had to draft the contract between "S," "Guy," "MV," and perhaps "Enty." It is unlikely that an attorney would draft his own documents. Someone else from his office would most likely have drafted and filed the documents. On the off-chance that he did all of it himself, I still say this...
If it really happened, Enty would never be able to speak about any of it, including giving out any hints, because it would break Attorney/Client privileges and I believe he can be disbarred from that. It also makes him completely unethical. But for someone who repeatedly says he can't reveal this unless he has millions of dollars, he would be risking his entire career by speaking about it at all.
Further, if this really happened, and he did break the law by talking about it, he's also revealed his real identity to at least two of the people involved.
And if it did really happen, there's no way it's going to be revealed, ever. Whoever MV would not ever reveal it because something like that would completely destroy not only her career, but her life. You all remember that one of the guys from MV actually committed suicide because of all backlash... and MV wasn't even really that big of a band to start with.
Anyway, still fun to try to guess and make this about someone.
Amber, from a previous commentor: one of the clues posted on Nov. 2011 says she released an album in the last 12 months... which is the time frame of Nov. 2010 to Nv. 2011... neither Tboz or TLC had anything out in that time frame . So that would effectively rule out Tboz, no ?
@Agent, they did do a cover for a tribute album that was released in June 2012.
Agent - it definitely does! I'm starting to feel more and more that this blind is bogus and designed just to keep people attached for years and years. Graham reiterated my thoughts above - I don't see how only 4 ppl could know this. I'm pretty sure "everyone" was in on the scheme with Milli Vanilli. I'd imagine that the number of producers who could do ALL of the recording/production work is VERY small. I just don't think this could be limited to these 4 people. Maybe it is amTimmy/Shimmy wild goose chase.
WAIT... "Via Twitter , Watkins stated that she and Rozonda were once in talks with L.A. Reid's Epic Records for a new TLC album, that they would have liked to,release after the biopic". (Wikipedia)
It appears during that time period they were marketing new material in production, but nothing was released
Debra Kilings "4th member of TLC"
Amber, Final Answer: MV is the daughter of Timmy Shimmy. Amen:)
Agree with you Tuxedo Cat. This is J Lo!
And Astrogirl. And Agent. This is J Lo!!!!
Nope daughter of timmy/shimmy, final answer. @Agent
I am still convinced this is Mariah, that excuse that she ruined her voice by singing ... I don't know what world that makes sense in. but my second guess is Mary Jane bilge. she was some (bad) rapper, became born again and can all of a sudden sing? The Christian market is huge. also if Whitney ruined her voice with a crackpipe, how can mjb suddenly sing? First choice Mariah mottola, mjb a close second.
EVERYONE needs to check out tommy mottolas wiki page right now. No matter who u think mv is, tommy mottola is implicated in all of them. guy is tm
Britney Spears is too closely controlled by her management team to ever be involved in something like this. She was bred to be a pop star, she's a pure creation of her handlers.
It's def Jennifer Lopez.
plrtz glrb It's not unusual, unfortunately, for a singer to develop vocal nodes from oversinging. Even if Mariah Carey had developed them at some point (I don't know one way or the other), it doesn't mean the end of a career.
I believe Steven Tyler had surgery for them a couple of years ago.
Okay, I have been mulling this over and looking at the clues and spending an uncomfortable amount of time on YouTube watching video of Jennifer Lopez. It's not her. There is a lot of padding in her studio work, particularly in the hooks (and in at least one instance with a male voice in a lower register buried pretty far back there - thank goodness for nice headphones). But I watched the same song (If you had my love - the acoustic version from her summer tour) from at least five different shows and none of them were the same. And you can tell when someone has a live mic to make off the cuff comments but it is cut when the track comes in (see: every Super Bowl Performance ever). Also, Jennifer Lopez is really beautiful. I kind of forgot that. That being said, Utada Hikaru does sound an awful lot like JLo, but that could be a chicken/egg thing.
LOTS of video of Mariah Carey singing a capella over the years, and lots of live footage. I refuse to believe that Whitney Houston would have duetted with her if she couldn't sing. Whitney came up in the church and from an established music family. Can't see her tolerating bullshit like that.
Another thing to consider is that consistency in the character of someone's voice is not evidence of trickery. An artist like Mariah will have a tech sheet that gets forwarded to the sound engineers if she is going to sing somewhere without her own sound people. It will have a list of acceptable microphones (there is a HUGE difference in sound from one mic to the next. Some people sound amazing on one mic and horrible on another) and settings for EQ and compression to make sure her voice sounds like, well, Mariah all the time. That is why the breathy quality of her voice is always there. When she first hit a recording studio they tweaked and adjusted and swapped mics until they found the combination that made her sound different from everyone else. After that all you have to do is replicate the settings as closely as you can from one sound board to the next and it will sound pretty much the same. For artists that don't have huge major label dollars behind them this can take a while. For example:
This is from 1994:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdKq8I_ZuOA
This is from 2001:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=808nTiXLam8
And this is from 2006:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnsX6kzuTFk
See how little change there is from 2001 to 2006 when compared to 1994 to 2001? (Can you tell how fucking jazzed I am to have worked Ani Difranco into this thread?) That is because she figured out what combination of EQ, compression and microphone gave her voice the tone she was looking for.
Also - not Fergie. Because this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FauHsI7A0nc&feature=related
I love the mystery, but I think the guesses are way off so far.
**I am a music nerd and amateur musician who records in my spare time. Not a professional, don't have any inside info but know how this kind of thing works from a technical standpoint.
Kthanxbye
The clues only fit Britney and JLo, however it couldn't be late 2000 since they both published their debut albums before that. I can't hear a difference between If You Had My Love and Dance Again - did she learn how to sing in the meanwhile? Has S very similar voice to JLo?
If you read her wikipedia article you'll find out that it was considered a bold move for her to do music and ppl thought it could not only embarrass her but also bury her career. Whereas Britney proved her singing talent as a little kid.
I'll guess, just for fun:
MV is either JLo or Brit, as many have already guessed.
S is Valerie Pinkston, heard here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8cPGOkbxFU
It really is NOT madonna. She often fucks up live on stage, and changes the lyrics depending on what happened. One time her bra ripped, so she sang "like a virgin, RIPPED for the very first time", and things like that. There are certain acoustic performances of Madonna, with just her, a guitar or a piano, or nothing at all, and she often talks in between, responds to the audience, sings to what happened at that exact time with an audience member. I mean: be a bit logical. You simply can't record all of that in advance and practice all of the possible mistakes that can happen on 80 different live shows every single day on a world tour. She often sings & talks with the audience. you can't pre-record that stuff.
And most importantly: she lets fans watch her rehearsals before the concert. Why would she take such a huge risk?
Here are a few examples :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNO9V-MT-1Y
Madonna acoustic with her guitar :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZMPPqDtI6g
Madonna Like a virgin acoustic in 2003 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl7CtSly6NA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44yjRPod7ek
there are many more examples, but I think you got the point.
Madonna also played in rock bands before she got famous, namely "Emmy & Emmys" and "The Breakfast Club", she sounds more like a rock or punk girl but she's still the same.
And also: the reason why her vocals sound different on her first few albums (more like mini mouse) is because they sped up her vocals, she and her producer Neil Rogers (who is huge and probably would never work with a fraud) admitted that because they thought it fitted the songs better.
Also, Madonna didn't make an album in 2011 and her voice isn't that amazing. And again: when she sings live on tour, she sounds different & adds bits of texts depending on the situation. While singing, she asked some guy in the audience to put away his cigarette and she got a bit angry at him and there are also moments where she requests the audience to donate money for hurricane sandy, while singing, again altering the text depending on the situation and the moment. I know some of you really WANT it to be Madonna, but just stop. it's simply not possible.
Also once the electricity/power got out and Madonna just sang live into one of those megaphones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqCXNCN4y8
Yes it wasn't loud, but it's another proof. Plus also countless of situations you can't plan, like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY7vLKNaR2E
There are many posts that state MV must be someone who has an excellent voice for a reveal to cause a stir. Therefore, someone with less of a voice wouldn't. For those who remember the MilliVanilli days, those guys put out one, maybe two, albums and when it was found out it wasn't them, it was a huge shock. They were not famous for long before the truth came out and it still caused a huge stir. I don't think the singer has to be great, it is the length of time (many years), the amount of CD's sold (millions), concerts performed (hundreds), amount of money spent and time people have taken to listen to songs that are not sung by the person they think is singing. That would be the shock factor. A lengthy, successful career built on a lie.
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