Sandusky Says He Is Innocent - Only Showered With Boys
Jerry Sandusky was on Rock Center last night. First of all, to the producers of Rock Center, I don't like your name. It sounds too much like 30 Rock or like I am going to see a concert. Now, anyway, Sandusky was interviewed by Bob Costas by phone and said that he is innocent and not a pedophile.
"I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact."
When asked by Costas to concede any wrongdoing, Sandusky said, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."
His attorney then said that some of the 8 boys will say nothing happened and that the boy that was allegedly being raped in the shower says nothing happened and that the assistant coach who reported it is lying.
I think Sandusky is guilty, guilty, guilty. Do I think he is going to walk free? Probably because no one in that town will want to convict him and they will be swayed by all the people who get up on the stand and say what a wonderful guy he is. Those are the same people who probably were not molested as kids and also probably knew that this guy has been doing this for years but want to protect him. The guy has been meeting kids through his charity and then abusing them. Did anyone expect him to say he was guilty last night?
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I read that his current judge is a volunteer at Second Mile, and his need to post bail was waived. How is that not a conflict of interest?
@Feisty-just another travesty and one additional way to allow these kids to be abused again-knowing that this kind of cronyism continues on in support of this animal sickens me. And for these kids to know that he is out free to troll the streets and spew his lies???
I have been wondering about this victim and what he has to say. Is he going to be a defense witness and actually state for the record that nothing happened and that McQueery is a liar??? Really???
Sandusky admitted it to the mother in 98 with LE listening in and still got away. He feels he is untouchable and wants to use his freedome to further the notion that he can't be touched.
Oh...and where is Ray Gricar???
May they all burn in hell as every last one of them (Paterno, Sandusky, janitor, Mcquery) are guilty. May God NOT have mercy on your souls.
He and his lawyer can say whatever they want now, but there are some victims out there who will testify, at least according to the police.
And as of the grand jury report, the victim McQueary saw in the shower is still unidentified so I'm not sure how he can come forward and say nothing happened.
I think Enty's wrong. This guy is going to do time, if he doesn't kill hismelf first.
I think that once they get a new judge (there's no way the current one can stay on), he'll end up doing time. The only chance that school has for redeeming themselves is getting him convicted (and firing a bunch more people).
That female judge who handed down virtually no bail to SANDUSKY should be recalled, but more importantly, she should've recused herself to begin with since she was on the charity's board of directors.
If Mike McQueary actually saw the molestation as it occurred, and did nothing to stop it, then he needs to go to prison as well.
Trey, you took the words out of my mouth.
If I'm correct, the grand jury report cited eight boys; excluding the one McQueary saw being raped, how in fact do they know it was eight boys, if they didn't come forward? People swore under oath, in secrecy.
I understand that there may be those who don't want to testify against him, but I (have to) believe that there are those who will.
And I watched Rock Center last night. When Bob Costas asked him if he did these things and if he was a pedophile, instead of immediately saying NO, he hesitated, and then said maybe he shouldn't have done certain things.
If you are 100% innocent, you'd be yelling it from the rooftops, not hesitating, and then making excuses for other things.
McQueary makes me so angry, but he's the only non-child who actually witnessed assault. So his testimony is needed for corroboration.
I hope he spends the rest of his life unable to sleep though.
I don't usually post on topics like this but hell, I gave my two cents on the OWS stuff may as well go all in today.
This whole thing really really bothers me because being from PA the amount of posts on facebook about this from all the Penn Staters in the area is sickening. How they are all "appalled" at JoePa et al being fired....how the only person at all that should be punished is Sandusky. And all those riots? Like really? Your football coach is more important to you than 10 or so young boys childhoods that were forever changed and probably traumatized? But no matter what you said, they had an answer as to why the whole thing was being blown out of proportion. If any of those kids were my kid, and I knew people knew about it and let it continue, I don't think rage is even a strong enough word to say what I would be feeling.
And yes @ice angel, exactly. The one person with the balls to try to pursue it disappears and is assumed dead? Strange. Too strange. I had a friend that kept saying "if the police did a FULL investigation and stopped it, it wouldnt have continued, why is everyone blaming McQueary and JoePa". Well because the person that wanted to follow the leads disappeared. so.... you tell me?
Admitting a little is a classic lying technique. At what point is showering with young boys appropriate?
I worked in Prisons for 20 yrs. I had to deal with pedophiles. They all talked like Sandusky and this is after they had been convicted. I knew and soon as Costas started talking to him that he was gonna Lie. The man is a Pedophiles and for years people have enabled him to continue to molest children. I knew as soon as the story started to come out that Sandusky would sound like every Pedophile I had ever known. My suggestion for Sandusky is to ask for Protective Custody now before you go to prison hopefully he will not end up as the prisoner who molested little boys and got his throat cut in the dining hall and NO ONE SAW ANYTHING. As they say "Shit Happens".
My husband said shoot him....can't say I was offended by that.
There is a janitor in 2000 that saw him raping a boy and a now assistant coach that saw him raping another boy in 2002 and told Joe Paterno about it. And many other victims are coming forward. No adult male showers with young boys, not unless you are a child molestor. Not buying his lying bullshit for one second. I cannot believe anyone would. And why is no one talking about the DA that investigated Sandusky and has completely disappeared other than his computer with the hard drive removed being fished out of the river for like 10 years?
@bluebonnetmom - I thought the prosecutor stuff was crazy too. He's been missing 6 years, and they recovered a search from his home computer for "destroy hard drive with water".
When they found his car, they found his notebook in the water and recovered the destroyed by water hard drive. They haven't been able to recover any info from the drive.
The creepiest thing I've read is that they're afraid the charity was a front for child procurement for a ring of people, not just one perv. BLAAAAAAAh.
@Old Lady - What do pedophiles sound like? Do they try justifying that little kids like them? Or they feel more comfortable with kids? Just curious.
YOU ARE A GROWN MAN WHO SHOWERED WITH CHILDREN NOT YOUR OWN.
GUILTY.
And somewhere out there, the judge that was beating the crap out of his daughter is breathing a sign of relief that the spotlight is off of him.
Did anyone hear him? He even sounds like a pedophile!
The evidence is stacked against him. If only the judge and jury are willing to do the right thing.
Hearing that tape reminded me of Michael Jackson's interview with the British reporter (Breshears?) who questioned his slumber parties with young boys. Jackson leaned in and was *astonished*, saying "Oh no, it was *charming*, hot cocoa and cookies by the fire!"
BTW. there are now reports that the police have McQueary's e-mails to former team members saying he did stop the attack he witnessed. No details.
Ironically Enty, Tina Fey wanted to name 30 Rock Rock Center but the network wouldn't let her.
If only McQueary and the janitor had not only stepped in to stop the rapes, but come forward to police at the time it would be a lot easier to prove.
I don't know how these boys can forgive them knowing they just walked away while they were being raped. They had to chance to help and they didn't. How do they live with their selves?
This all makes me want to throw up. My only son was molested when he was 10 by his Big Brother, who was a warrant officer in the Marine Corps and a close family friend. I know what that selfish activity did to his life. It makes me sick every time it happens to some other innocent little boy, but I am even more sickened by people who defend the animals who perpetrate this crime against innocence. There is never a reason to hurt a child.
I too thought of Michael Jackson and his denials- birds of a feather....
I too, if innocent- or wanted to be thought of as innocent- I would be YELLING I AM INNOCENT I AM INNOCENT- and I am innocent becasue I did nothing, I did not touch so and so , or so and so...but he is not innocent and that is why he came off as a smarmy dirty old man who thinks other adults will find it NORMAL to shower with young children....
WHO RAPES A BOY IN A PUBLIC PLACE? WHO? And what the HELL was Bob Costas talking about- "the distictive slap slap slap of rape" what the hell?
I think Bob Costas did a fantastic job- I would have gone off like a hurricane on the man- he asked THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
I suspect that McQueary was molested by Sandusky when he was younger, which is why he reacted how he did when he looked in the shower and saw Sandusky with the boy. I thought I read McQueary was best buds with Sandusky's son growing up. I'm sure that Sandusky molested his own kids, too. That's usually how this works. I'm not saying that it excuses McQueary's actions at the time, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he comes out to be a victim, too.
My grandfather, whose finally dead, was a convicted pedophile. He was abused when he was little, and did the same to his children and then the grandchildren and who knows whom else. It was a good thing my mother never got along with my dads family (before learning of all of this ugliness) so we think that my brother and I were spared that horror. Still, in reading the transcripts of his trial, my grandfather didn't think there was anything wrong with his actions, because as he said, "The kids didn't tell him otherwise." This is the problem. Because the kids didn't complain, he thought that was the green light to keep doing it. Predators justify and excuse their actions and behavior. And the families behind them, are in major denial and generally, know or aware of what's going on. That was the case with my dad's family and still is. You don't say anything bad about the family and you pretend it never happened. Good thing my parents divorced years ago.
I hope the victims in this Penn State tragedy get the therapy they need to move forward and have a decent life going forward...
Syko, I'm so, so sorry for what happened to your son. You're right, there is no excuse.
pedophiles try to be charming and try to convince you they are normal people. Most I knew after time and knowing I had read their file, had the actual nerve to say the kids asked for it and liked it. I threw up on the first Pedophile that told me this. They try to justify their actions and it's always the kids fault. One block I worked in had all Pedophiles as desk clerks. I fired them and replaced them with Black Gang Members (usually in for murder). In prison I would rather deal with murders then any Pedophile. I have dealt with both men and women pedophiles and the attitude is the same with both.
@Christine - the distinctive "slap, slap, slap" you are referring to - Bob Costas was quoting McQueary from the Grand Jury transcripts. It gave me the willies all over again to hear those words.
@M - that's a really interesting theory about McQueary possibly being molested by Sandusky when he was younger, and actually, not only makes sense, but would explain his reluctance to jump in and punch him out.
I want to know what kind of person, when witnessing a child being raped in a public shower, doesn't immediately tackle the guy and kick his fucking ass? A football player, no less! I'm a 5 foot tall woman and I'd bum rush any motherfucker I came across sexually abusing a child.
Another interesting fact: His lawyer impregnated a 16-year old girl when he was 49. Great choice if you don't want to seem like the only perv in the room.
I completely agree with you BNL - those protesters made me sooo angry!
McQueary sure sounds like he was molested. If I saw someone sexually molesting a child, and I don't care if its a man, I am gonna kill some molester. I was so sick of them in the prisons and there is a lot of them locked up. The prison I worked in had at least 1000 of them. So in protected custody and some in gen pop. The gen pop ones would get beaten every so often and sometimes killed. I thought that it was because they would said that crap that the kids wanted it and enjoyed it. The Black Gangs in prison will not let you in if you are a "Babyraper".
Rockefeller Center is the original and 30 Rock and Rock Center are spinning off the location. I don't like the names of either of them, frankly, but I'll be damned if I'm going to say 30 Rock gets a claim on it that is above anyone else's.
This case seriously needs a change of venue for justice to be done. NO ONE in "Happy Valley" is going to convict anyone affiliated with Penn State football. The judge should have recused herself from the get go, but she didn't, that's a bad sign for how this case is going to go.
I used to think we needed to let Utah, Florida, Texas, and Idaho secede from the Union, but let's go ahead and add Pennsylvania to that list. Philly can defect to NJ and Pitt can defect to Ohio, but after watching that riot but students (STUDENTS!), the middle of that state gives me the goddamn creeps.
@weezy I, too, was reminded of that Michael Jackson interview.
I feel so bad for the boys, and now young men. The prosecutor missing is just plain odd and I wonder if they will find out what happened.
This guy is disgusting and everyone and I mean everyone who turned a blind eye should be punished and prosecuted!
I come from a family (on my dads side) where sexualy innuendoes was common while growing up, and yes gross I know. I kept my sisters away from two perverted uncles. We had one uncle who was a favorite and a really nice man. My dad had affairs with my moms nieces and then married one. One of my uncles (they were all brothers) molested his two daughters, this was in the 1970's. The girls did not tell until they were adult women and they never told their mom. Supposedly he apologized a long time ago, he is still a creep though. Now he is slowly dying a painful death, but what gets me is my cousins, his daughters are taking care of him. I don't know if it is a noble thing to do or if they are still afraid of him or if it is because they now have "the power". We are now 50 year old women and we never talk about it. I'm pretty sure I could not and would not do it, and I will help almost anyone who needs help but when a person hurts a child (or an animal for that matter) all bets are off.
Sorry this is long winded, guess I'm on a rant today.
I'm optimistic that this monster will be put away for the rest of his life. I think the pressure and evidence will be strong enough to do so.
If Paterno knew and did nothing, his reputation should indeed be sullied, and he deserves no acclaim or honor for his coaching accomplishments.
I mean, rape of a child? There's really nothing worse, short of killing a child.
I saw his lawyer on the Today show, and he made me sick. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a front for a pedo ring. The more I hear and read, the more creeped out I get.
Oh, and I hope that Sandusky goes on to enjoy many years of shower "horseplay" in prison.
My dad had a friend who he found out was a paedophile, molested one of his own daughters and a neighbours child. My father was sickened. He would NEVER have been friends with a child molester. He went off on the wife when she rang him one day after he found out and told her he never wanted anything to do with her or her husband ever again. The wife was trying to excuse her husband and herself for lying to my dad over what this guy was in trouble for. Both my father and I would take out a child molester.
I don't agree with you Enty. I think he'll either do time, and or kill himself. he's been enabled for so long, nothing is wrong in his mind. the conviction hammer kind of hits home, when your clothes are traded away for prison issue.
I am so glad that Penn State has shitty PR people and couldn't contain this story locally like they would have wanted to so they could control it in the Happy Valley bubble. Now these victims will have a shot at a fair trial. I hope the rumors of a Federal investigation are true. With all this outside scrutiny, I hope they are smart enough to try this case outside of the State College area. Try it in Dauphin County where Harrisburg, the capital is located. That cuts down the cult factor big time. I live a couple hours outside of State College so even though I live in PA, I'm not insane. Well, not in a hillbilly, child molester gross way.
Whomever leaked that grand jury report deserves some flowers from the victims and their families. I really think that is what gave the story legs. It just reads like a horror movie. It's every parent's worst nightmare. I got maybe 3 or 4 pages in before I quit. Got to that slap business and I was done. That report was not supposed to see the light of day and the judge requested it to be sealed. It was an "administrative error" that caused it to be released. I'd like to believe that was on purpose. Ooopsy! Bastard.
I agree with all of the above and have 2 things to add:
1. I agree with i above - he'll be dead by Christmas, either accident or suicide. Hope it's painful.
2. I just love Bob Costas. Thought he had a great interview, excellent questions and good followup. I'm planning on writing him a fan letter.
Just about everything I wanted to say has already been posted so I'll just agree that...
1. Bob Costas did a pretty good job interviewing that creep on the phone, but not as well with the lawyer in person. When the lawyer said that he had identified and spoken to the alleged rape victim that the grand jury and other authorities had not found, Costas should have pushed him more on that.
2. The trial has to be moved out of the county, and the Feds need to be brought in to oversee the investigation. Based on the previous history with the DA disappearing and the probability that many on the force have some ties to Penn State or Sandusky, there is just too much bias existing already.
3. That judge should be recalled, but I don't know that the good people of State College, in their blue haze, can see anything wrong with what she did.
4. Hopefully, Sandusky will go to jail, and yes, I agree, he needs to find out what a different version of horseplay in the showers is. I bet there is a sign up sheet already. He'll deserve every minute of it.
I read an interesting article that mentioned the reason people are 'scandalized' but not outraged by this story is because it concerns the uncomfortable subject of a man molesting boys. The outrage would be much more universal if Sandusky had been molesting little girls instead. That may be true for some, but for me, I'm actually even more angry that he molested little boys. He is a predator, and people need to stop protecting his sorry ass.
i saw an interview w/ a man that was in this "group for at-risk youth" (which i thought meant little male adult involvement) that most of the victims come from. he said that while he was never molested, anytime they drove anywhere the guys had was on his thigh. it made him uncomfortable for sure. when the reporter asked him why he kep going, the man said because everyone wanted to be in this program; sandusky was the man.
as more time goes by more victims will come forward. he may never admit molesting the boys unless it means less jail time. someone like him would not do well in prison.
M and others on McQueary being a rape victim himself: good catch.
BTW, it turns out his e-mail said only that he saw to it that "it" stopped -- apparently meaning that rather than stop that attack, he told Paterno a day later and eventually the University barred the Second Mile program from campus or something.
I heard that phone interview a few times last night and it may be my imagination, but I'm sure I heard Sandusky's voice tremble (with excitement?) when he mentioned touching the boy's legs. If you hear it again, listen extra carefully at that part and tell me what you think.
On what FS wrote -- how stupid is this lawyer, to go on what is basically world-wide TV and tell them he located a rape victim the police couldn't find and probably threatened him and his family on behalf of his client the (alleged, coughcough) rapist?
WOAH. I never knew the DA's name, but when you guys mentioned it & described his disappearance, I TOTALLY remember hearing about this years ago & when they found his car, laptop, etc.
Unbelievable that it's probably linked to this case.
Good god, just reading these comments makes me feel so ill - so many people have direct personal experience with this form of abuse, myself included. I was molested before the age of 10 by a family friend's 16 year old daughter. I remember not being afraid, just confused. I cannot imagine being actually raped by a male, though. The pain and horror must be unreal for a child.
I cannot believe that so many of us have experience with pedophilia, and yet it still goes on, who knows at what rate. Just sickening to the core.
What gets me is that parents will do that to children. HOW?! Pedophiles need to excuse themselves from life, I honestly don't know how they can live with themselves.
Something like 15 adult men saw or were told Sandusky doing something inappropriate to minors, and nothing happened. At least 15 damn men didn't give a flying fuck about those kids. And there's not a father in that bunch? It boggles my mind.
I hope the victims are brave enough to come out against this waste of space.
Probably late to the discussion on this, but...
1. I dont think Sandusky will ever off himself, unfortunately these offenders RARELY do especially this late in the game. As others previously mentioned, he is extremely narcassistic. If something does happen to him, it will be because of an "accident" or flat out hit. If anyone offs themselves it would likely be one of the others being brought in from Penn State.
2. From what I understand, the missing prosecutor is NOT innocent!!! He didnt disappear until AFTER he declined to pursue the case further. I would not be surprised if he (1) was killed by a victim's family, (2) was killed by higher ups at PS, or (3) took a bribe to dismiss the charges and then feeling guilty committed suicide.
3. Agree that there was likely something with McQueary. I read the indictment, something does not sound right especially with the stuff coming to light today.
4. Hopefully the new prosecutor will move to transfer venue. And @LMSM, even if you dont like FL or TX, I'm kinda hoping it'll get transferred there, I'm in favor of their preferred methods of punishment for a-holes like this. :D -- YES, I KNOW it wont likely go to another state (unless the feds decide to step in, which they SHOULD!)
5. Bob Costas is the MAN! I love him for sports, but dayum, boy needs to take over Katie Couric's old job (actually he needs to take Piers Morgan's spot). I'd watch him religiously for taking on this interview. I dont think Sandusky's lawyer thought Mr. Costas had these questions in him.
6. About this prior "victim" the defense wants to bring in. I would just like to ask... How did you find him? The lawyer says they think they have located the boy. In response, I would ask, so then you are saying that this type of thing happened so much you question who it "might" be? Unfortunately I think we all know the answer to that, but I'd love to see how the lawyer and Sandusky dodge it.
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