Sandusky Has Been Molesting Kids Since The 1970's
It is looking more likely that former Penn State coach, Jerry Sandusky started his charity in order to meet young boys. After proclaiming his innocence the other night in a national interview, lots of new accusers have stepped forward and some of them claim they were abused as far back as the 1970's. Since that is when he started his charity for kids, the timing looks really bad. This also means that the entire time he was coaching at Penn State he was molesting young boys.
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I'm wondering when this conversation will start to broaden to whether the Big Ten will kick Penn State out of the conference. If it comes to that.
Oh Jesus Christ,
Help these poor scarred boys/men.
Of course he was. That's what pedophiles do.
What a sick bastard.
This is starting to sound more and more like that South Park episode...
@parissucks
That's what I came on here to type almost word for word.
I can't hardly stand thinking of all this. I have a young son and it is just eating me up thinking of these children.
It's almost a blessing he did that interview the other night. Probably thought he'd scare his victims into silence, but it emboldened others to come forward. So courageous of them, and the first young man (who is still just a teenager) who reported this.
Not all psychopaths are pedophiles but all pedophiles are psychopaths. No conscience. Absolutely no conscience. As for all us other humans who are not psychopaths? Well, we are the victims. All of us. As we watch them leave a trail of victims, misery, financial ruin and damage behind them. Please, please start locking these psychopaths away for life. It's way past time. They are fully aware what they're doing is wrong in each and every case.
It's horrible for the victims but I do reserve a bit of sympathy for the players - assuming they were unaware of what was going on. Imagine being a freshman player and seeing the whole program change through no fault of the players. Although there is an interesting article published today in Sports Illustrated: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/11/16/penn.st/index.html?xid=cnnbin
Evidently the program isn't quite as lily pure as Paterno would have us believe.
You are so right Trey. Thank god that liar went on TV and opened his scum sucking, nasty hell hole for a mouth. After working around MONSTERS for 20 yrs., they need to be done away with. Sandusky should be kissing his own ass that someone like me is not on his jury.
As sickening as Sandusky is, and I hope he gets put away for the rest of his miserable life, what is REALLY pissing me off more is all the people who knew and didn't do anything.
As @_-_=_ (that's hard to type ;-) ) said, pedos are sociopaths. In a way, their behavior is almost beyond their control. But the others who knew are (probably) not sociopaths--what's their excuse? Oh right...the sacred Nittany Lions Football Legacy which could not be besmirched.
"Evidently the program isn't quite as lily pure as Paterno would have us believe."
...imagine THAT, huh? Ha.
@old ;ady, he should be glad he doesn't have my husband on his jury; his recommendation for the likes of Sandusky is something called "stumping." I.e., pull large tree partly out of the ground using a winch, insert person in the hole, let tree fall back.
Hideous to even imagine, I know, and my husband is the gentlest person ever, but like a lot of us, this crime makes him especially upset.
What upsets me is the email that the assistant coach sent out saying that he told the cops. A friend of mine who's wife is a lawyer said that him doing that might cast reasonable doubt on his testimony later. Just muddying the waters so to speak. He thinks the guy did it to try and save Joe-Pa but that it will have lasting effects in the conviction of Sandusky. I hope not.
Big Mama, I don't think you have to worry about that. If the defense can even get that email admitted (doubtful) they will use it to impeach McQueary and try to make it seem like he lies in general, but at that point it'll be useless. There are multiple victims who are willing to testify now. McQueary isn't as necessary as he was at grand jury hearing.
I hope so, he's an idiot for doing it. thanks for the feedback. I am not a lawyer and really don't know.
This whole tale is overwhelmingly sad. The fact that Sandusky, his wife, and a family friend called one of the victims to probably intimidate him before speaking before the grand jury shows to me that he probably thought he was untouchable because he had been for so long.
The timeline that someone posted here the other day is so disgusting. It is amazing the number of times this man got away with it and the future victims that could have been spared had he been stopped earlier.
Well apparently there are many many problems around the issue of child safety in Pennsylvania, www.protect.org has more info.
Also, sportsbybrooks.com reported last night that the current Governor may also be implicated in this mess in some way. There is a $3 mil grant from the state to Second Mile to build a school/office building, but Corbett was the AG when the first Sandusky complaints came in and only assigned one investigator to the case. There's much more to it than that, but it is really looking like its time to bring in the Feds if the coverup really does extend to the state level.
^^Word. Those poor kids and their families. May they get some kind of justice.
What's the deal with a missing prosecutor or a missing computer?
Blondy, Ray Gricar was the District Attorney in that county when the 1998 case was reported. He was the one who decided not to file charges because he thought the case would fall apart in court. He disappeared in 2005, and apparently his computer was found in a river. You can google him for specifics.
Of course he's been molesting since the 70s. A man in his late 60s didn't start this 15 years ago, he's been doing it forever. It's SICKENING!
Comma Chaser, I think the NC2A should strip Penn St of their football program and save the Big Ten the trouble. Problem is, Penn St is the 3rd most profitable college football team in the country which is why the NCAA and Big Ten have been suspiciously quiet. Money talks.
Califblondy - The computer was found, but the hard drive had been removed. It's all so very, very suspicious. I can't believe more people aren't talking about this aspect of it.
BigMama - Frankly, considering the extent of the coverup and what I perceive to be indifference by the population of Pennsylvania to put the safety of children over their beloved goddamned football program, I'm more concerned about a lack of willingness to convict by potential jurors than I am about one witness, even an important witness like McQueary. I think a change of venue is absolutely necessary, and I think the feds have to find a way to take the case over. The judge who volunteers for Second Mile and then recuse herself is all you need to know. Sandusky has judges in his pocket. And what's worse, no supervising judge has stepped in and removed that judge from the case! No one in Penn wants to do anything!
(I'm not yelling at any of you wonderful co-commenters, I'm just yelling in general b/c this whole situation is making me insane with rage and incredulity.)
^CORRECTION:
The judge who volunteers for Second Mile and then recuse herself is all you need to know.
SHOULD READ:
The judge who volunteers for Second Mile and then DOESN'T recuse herself....(etc.)
But the others who knew are (probably) not sociopaths--what's their excuse?
These are termed secondary psychopaths. They are the people who go along to get along. They too know it is wrong but they don't stop it. Good man watching bad actions and doing nothing.
Those secondary psychopaths need to be taught a lesson too. They need some jail time but that will cure them. They won't get involved in bad acts again.
And that's the difference. Let Sandusky go and he'll be back at it in no time. Those guys like Paterno, etc. would not let this happen again.
Not sad for the players. This is a good lesson for them at a young age. Let them learn well. These people are out among all of us because society is not dealing properly with the problem. Let them bring the change. That's what the youth is supposed to do. Man up players!
The ones who knew and didn't tell are just as culpable as Sandusky. They did it to save their jobs and make money off the football program, and to preserve the reputation of their precious "Joe Pa." Pathetic, and they should all rot in jail. Paterno is getting at least half a mil in pension annually. I know that he has it contractually, but he should lose that pension. Plus he transferred ownership of his house to his wife's name back in the springtime, people are hypothesizing that he did it to avoid losing assets in case of lawsuits against him. Creep.
I'm not sure about the house transfer thing being bogus. I think Joe Pa put it in a living trust that's in his wife's name, as to help their kids avoid inheritance taxes. At his age and with his health, it's going to hard to prove otherwise.
Doesn't erase their covering for Sandusky, though. I realize that good people make terrible mistakes all the time. But this one takes the cake. So many knew what Sandusky was doing and NO ONE thought to blow the whistle. What a complete shame.
This will get so much worse. We had a similar 'boys camp' sex abuse scandal in our area that came to light a few years ago. It grew & grew & grew into a major pedophile ring of powerful religious, political & police officials - the scope of this abuse & the list of people who knew & did nothing to stop it sounds so similar to the Penn state case unfolding before our eyes.
Sandusky isn't the only pedophile involved in this mess, because pedophiles affiliated with troubled youth camps & 'saving' young boys always travel in packs & most likely passed some victims among themselves. There was a whisper of young boys being passed around alumni's that I'm sure will get much more attention as more details come out.
1 in 4 women are molested before the age of 18.
1 in 3 boys are molested before the age of 18.
(stats from American Academy of Pediatrics)
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2005_07_12/2005_07_31_Morlin_DisturbingConnections.htm
I've been confused about one aspect of this.....
Everyone says Paterno should have done more and should have reported it to the police. But there was an investigation and a decision not to prosecute back in 1998.
If no one reported it to the police, how did the DA investigate it and decide to not prosecute??
Layna, I'm confused by what you're saying. If he put the house into a trust for his wife, there wouldn't have been a sale. Additionally, there's no point in putting it into a trust for his wife since a husband and wife bypass the inheritance tax.
There are some other safeguards people can take, such as QTIP trusts, which ensure children will receive certain property after the death of their spouse, but I'm not sure why Paterno would feel the need for that and it doesn't avoid tax either.
Kara, read this timeline. It's clean and puts everything in order
http://www.npr.org/2011/11/08/142111804/penn-state-abuse-scandal-a-guide-and-timeline
Ive been there. When you witness a rape, and choose to call the police and report it, its to protect the victim. If you choose NOT to report it to the police, you choose to protect the rapist. Black & White. 30 years ago I was a 20 yr old girl who walked in on a rape in a rehab center. Yes I was stunned and backed right out the door. Took a breath, and walked right back in. I pretended not to know what was happening and just said, "Oh it was you - hey Laura, the nurses station is looking for you. I better get you up there fast," as I wheeled her chair out of the room. I told the head nurse what I witnessed and the 1st thing she said was "DONT DO ANYTHING OR TELL ANYONE, I have to call the Administrator." Seriously. I watched a nurse these kids loved, that we all respected, choose to protect the rehab's reputation 1st and her job, before protecting the kids. Hey the guy wasn't running anywhere - he worked in the laundry and didn't think I saw since I didn't freak out. They asked me to wait, while the boss raced to the facility. Then the machine kicked in full force. "We can handle this - do not go to the police, you don't understand, blah blah blah." I said I was calling the police and didn't care what they said. Then they wanted me to wait until their attorney arrived and I refused. They wanted me to make the call from the office so they could be on the line. I refused, walked home and called the cops. This was at the # 1 rehab in MA for young adults and I was in shock they responded this way. I not only called the cops and testified in court, I testified against the rehab. Turns out it had been going on for some time with the patients. I am no hero, I just reacted. If you dont stop it, if you dont do what you can as a human being to report it, well ... it makes you something else. It makes you a rapist too.
@Cardinal Girl.
Wow. YOu ARE a hero!
Doing the right think does make you feel like the bad guy at times. But you must do what you can for the victim, not the institution.
Well done, very, very well done.
@Cardinal Girl - BRAVA!!!!! You are definitely a hero!!!
@Trey: I was mentioning something I heard on a radio show, but the information could have been wrong.
Thanks Rita and SusanB that was my first post after years of reading. My point was, I'm not a hero. A hero does something hard against terrible odds and hardship, but I promise you calling the police was not hard. You see the face of someone being raped and bureaucracy looks ridiculous. I still can see her face. Its a crazy world when witnessing it wasn't near as traumatic for me as living thru what DIDN'T happen afterwards. Every single one of us can change things. Its takes a mob to enable what happened, and the machine has to be dismantled, one corrupt person at a time. You guys rock.
@ Comma Chaser/Little Miss Smoke and Mirrors--That will never happen. As much as I think/hope that every single person involved in this case (both Sandusky/any other attackers and EVERYONE who knew and didn't do the right thing) should be punished, they will not punish an entire school, fans, alums, and football players for it. Don't you think that's a little unfair? And I don't think it's just because of money. There are thousands and thousands of Penn State students/alums/State College locals who had NO idea this was going on. While I do think more information will come out as time goes on and people come forward, you just can't punish everyone for mistakes of a handful.
This man needs an all expense paid world class ass beating. Funny thing people still think Kim K is a bigger asshole than Joe Paterno.
@Cardinal Girl
Still find your actions heroic, to say the least.
In this day and age, where the standard is to post on YouTube, rather than do the right thing, there is still hope when hearing about how decent human beings, like yourself, do not buckle under peer pressure, and still do the right thing.
Again, Bravo!
Jolene Jolene - Make it simple and easy for the athletes to transfer out immediately. Those that had no idea, still benefited. Dismantle.
@Cardinal Girl - wow - I am so proud of you. That couldn't have been an easy thing to do, especially at 20, but it was very brave, and like you said, it's our responsibility to stand up and do the right thing.
I'm sure you're parents were very proud of you.
Penn State alumnus here. Not sad for the players. Anyone who is on the team at Penn State can get a spot on a team at almost any other college within 200 miles. Someone with a scholarship there could get a scholarship somewhere else. The school should let the players out of their commitments, and the NCAA should waive its one-year waiting period for transfers, and everyone who wants to go somewhere else will be able to.
Thank you Snakeoiler. Nice to hear from the good Penn Staters.
I would be willing to put money on it that he started before he began the charity! And was likely a victim sometime before that.
I'm with Figgy. This guy is Satan's brother, but all the ones who let this happen are just as bad. They make me ill.
Cardinal Girl Thank you so very much! I know there are many good people in the world that help in situations like this. Let's all hope people in PA do the right thing.
@cardinal girl makes a compelling point and more importantly, gives an example of how to handle a situation.
I agree with cardinal girl that she is not a hero. She did a brave thing and I applaud her. Escalating what she did to "hero" makes it much less likely that other people could do the same thing because they don't consider themselves hero material.
While the general consensus of opiners seems to be that any average person would have stopped the rape of the child in the shower, I don't know how true that is because of how awkward the situation is. They would probably disbelieve themselves.
Then, when most of them state that they would have kicked the rapist's ass, that is highly unlikely.
Movie heroes' beat people up. Normal people don't normally have that response.
@cardinal girl finally describes the selflessness of someone who cares for someone else. And she just didn't talk the talk, she walked the walked. All the way.
She assessed the situation and figured out how to best help the victim.
All the blathering about physically assaulting the assaulter of a 10 year old boy, in the little boy's presence, is even more trauma for the victim.
@cardinal girl stepped us through a rational and appropriate and brave response to a horrible situation.
Thank you. I have learned from you.
Tx CDavidette209. To be honest, when I popped open that door and happened upon the rape, I recoiled and stepped back out. I think its natural to withdraw from horror. I remember thinking "Did I just see that?" Its odd, I don't remember deciding to take action, I just stepped right back in. I didn't take the guy on at all, I pretended to be oblivious and made inane chit chat as I walked across the room to her wheelchair. He just stood there adjusting his pants. I think I even said good night to him or something crazy like that. Sometimes all you have to do to save someone is interrupt - and not look or walk away. We can be regular people who cant kick anyone's ass and still stop a rape.
@cardinal girl..I support everything that you said in your first statement and the response. If it didn't come across that way, it is my inability on the keyboard.
It is the regular people, using their normal capabilities who can and do stop rapes/bullying/etc.
You analyzed and acted on behalf of a victim. I don't know you but I feel really proud of you and glad that I got on this thread to learn about it.
@CDavidette209 you were totally clear - I just wanted to back you up by detailing the un-Rambo like 'wobble' I had before I acted. I think you are right. The people who talk about going nuts - that's emotional, not real. It makes regular people think "I could never do that." I certainly couldn't pull a Rambo. I was too scared to even let the guy know I had seen anything. Penn State makes me wonder what is happening to people? Its not just them - The Roman Catholic Church sexual abuse hit Boston very hard. So many kids. So many lives. So many people that didn't do anything. Easy to lose hope. "Emily wasn't kidding when she said Hope is a small thing with feathers." It feels very very small these days.
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