The Magic Number Is 33
Did Xena die at the age of 33? Does something happen in Scientology when a female turns 33? Do you want to know how old Mimi Rogers was when she and Tom Cruise divorced? 33. Nicole Kidman? 33. Katie Holmes? 33. Yep. This is like celebrities dying at 27. I think it is a coincidence because I'm not 100% sure that Mimi Rogers actually even close to 33 when split. Oh, yes, I know if you look at wiki or whatever it says she was 33, but I think she lives in the world of aging known as Catherine Zeta Jonesing which uses some formula to hide your true age. It is fun to speculate though. Plus, it gives the opportunity for everyone to take a few minutes to bash Tom in the comments and pray that Katie is strong enough to get Suri out of the clutches of Scientology.
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Maybe it's that women seem to mature, and thus change at around that age. And in this case, that change and maturity means wising up to the fact that they deserve better.
I got divorced at age 33 too. Plus, he was a rather short in stature crazy person. My daughter was 6. I think the similarities end there.
No wait, she was 7.
Maybe it's like how your taste buds change every 7 years...
In COS, is it that 33 is the beard expiration date? Maybe it's stamped on them when they jump the broom with their assigned gay man. The said gay man keeps their eye on that expiration date, and plans accordingly.
She actually looks shorter than him in that photo.
She was a beautiful bride. Too bad it was a fakey waste.
She was a beautiful bride. Too bad it was a fakey waste.
Momster, Tom looks like he has on at least 2.5 inch heels on in that picture. Katie is probably wearing flats.
XenU is the weird alien deity thing. XenA is the warrior princess.
*yawn* I read this when the news first broke. And no, I don't think there's any relevance to it. It's called "coincidence." Coincidences do happen....and people tend to want to ascribe some mystical or conspiratorial meaning to them. I guess it's human nature.
Yeah, I felt sorry for her then and always have...until the divorce news, that is.
I got the impression when they first "happened," that she was so in love and so naive, and it took a while for the whole truth (lies!) to sink in.
I am VERY glad she's getting out and I pray she and Suri are let out of the CoShit.
I watched a video of Tom going on about CO$ and his determination to do what was right for the people....the upshot was "You're in
on the playing field, or you're out of the arena".
Katie clearly is out of the arena, and good for her.
As for out at 33, it sure beats 43.
Andrew Morton wrote a really interesting article in today's NY Post:
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/best_supporting_actress_REdKcnpi4xPjBFGO4Yjp4M
I feel as if Tom is being bashed from all quarters right now. Why? We don't know why they are divorcing. And Katie knew what she was getting into shen she married him. She did it for the money, fame, and publicity. It didn't quite work out the way she wanted, so now Tom's the bad guy? And what happened to all the tolerance of commenters on sites like this? If Tom is g@y, which I'm not sure he is, why is he being criticized for it? If he is, he has his reasons for staying in the closet. It's his business. As for the COS, again...Katie knew what he was when she married him.
"If Tom is g@y, which I'm not sure he is, why is he being criticized for it?"
with all due respect, no one here cares that he is gay (which I am %100 sure he is)...what is annoying is the self promoting, pompous gloating and all over fakery of his public facade. there are plenty of actors and actresses who are gay or lesbian who do not feel the need to smugly dictate to the rest of the world how to live their lives like Tom does. Also, he is horrible hiding it....no one buys his "I'm so freaking happy" performance and after awhile, I got over feeling a bit sad for him and just went to thinking he's a pompous jerk. As for Katie, I will agree she knew what she was getting into, however, I am sure there were caveats she didn't really grasp the tedium of when she signed on. Mostly, I am just hoping the kid ends up with a semi normal life at least.
Also, I still would rather see Nicole's book over Katie's. I think Nicole saw alot scarier stuff.
@CarolMR: Steppy, is that you?
Mimi remarried and had a couple of kids, she couldn't have been that old.
Great link, SusanB, thank you!
Good for Penelope Cruz and Sofia Vegara for not joining Cruise and the cult. I believe ScarJo also got an "audition", good thing she didn't pursue it as well.
I've seen a very few comments, some of them quite oblique, from celebs on Twitter regarding the beard/contract hypothesis. Not enough to be certain if the celebs in question know it's true or if they just know that theory's out there.
Hell, I'd still beard for him. Tom, give me a call? Let's talk. I'm sure we can work something out.
Oh yes she will be able to do it. Without a doubt. Because she's got the dirt on Tommy boy. She wouldn't have made that move in the divorce unless she was absolutely sure she could. Xenu and the Church of Cash are nazi's, the members that have left talk about torture, licking the floor, imprisonment, blackmail etc. She's got the goods to get what she wants and she knows it. Look at how stern and dark her expressions have been since after the first year of their marriage, like she's been weighing everything very seriously, she's got the balls to do it, she's not stupid and they should know that she has the access, the knowledge and the forum to bring down the entire house of cards in a spectacularly juicy public demolition. They must give her what she wants or she'll out them all as the corrupt, money laundering, torturing, homophobic, humiliating, blackmailing psychopath closet cases they are, I'm looking at you Miscavige and Cruise.
Interesting, I divorced at 33 too. We were married for seven years.
I'm a cliche.
@carolMR wow. you must have bought into the Co$ because it's not about TC being GAY. Sure, she bought into it, but from what you're implying, it's HER fault.
TC is fanatical about controlling the press. This is all about his PR. He could care LESS about KH.
BigMama, how does Tom tell the world how to live their lives?
on the age thing; alex baldwin says he is 54. i remember him being 54 like 10 years ago. only thing i can find on it is wiki. anyone know?
I haven't noticed TC being criticized here for being gay, but for being in the Co$.
Apart from that, I agree that we don't actually know for a fact what they're doing. That's why it's a gossip site.
OK another day of bashing TC, yawn soon ** agent** whateves will post his Dale gribble COS bs n accused the rest of us tht dont mind TC as " defenders" so over it.
What BigMama said. It's not about his purported homosexuality, it's more about the obsessive image control that surrounds it.
Lizzie du,
um, what?
I wanted to thank the readers from yesterday who linked the Village Voice stories about Co$. I spent about three hours reading the VV coverage and all the really informative reader comments .. How COS is still running and has NOT had major charges against them blows my mind. It's a classic criminal entity disguised ( thinly ) as religion.. I seriously shudder to think of what Kate had to do to get away now. They dont let their people go without a fight. Even if she wasn't a full fledged member she was in it too the roots of her hair. I don't have the link but if you haven't read the tony Ortega VV stories you should google them!
In what world is saying someone should admit to being a "fudge packer" a compliment?
I don't care if you like the guy or not, but as least have the balls to admit you are constantly degrading and disrespectful.
Is it spooky or coincidental that I may be leaving comment number 33? If 33 is such a significant number, someone cue the creepy music...
Anyway, I remember that with the whole couch jumping thing, that I actually felt inadequate about my own relationship, because as much as we love each other, there was no over-the-top gushiness or desire to jump on couches to show the world how happy we were. I mean, what was WRONG with us? Shouldn't being in love make us giddy like that? Well, years later, I'm happy to say I'm still happy and in love, and still not jumping on couches...but not worried about that anymore.
I'm not trying to be religious but they say that Jesus was 33 when he died and there is a theory that 33 it's an age when a man finds his identity, if you know what I mean
Ah, the COS shills have gotten their marching orders and are back. Gee, you guys must have felt so forlorn the past couple of days with no word from your puppet masters.
In hindsight, I think it's clear that Mimi wanted out of the marriage and Tom beat her to the courthouse for the sake of appearances. So two out of three wives have dumped him when they turned 33.
Basically, has the guy had an even vaguely plausible romantic relationship with a woman in his life except for Nicole? No. As shams go, he's done a damn bad job of being a pretend hetero.
CDAN Readers:
Don't feed the Co$ nutjobs, they have enough to deal with. Hope you all got your deposits back from Co$ and that your loyalty is rewarded with at least a raffle ticket into the next Mr and Mr Tammy Cruise contest.
@Lizzie du
@CarolMR
@Steppy
@Scandalous Candice
We could have a raffle for the COS shills. Winner gets a copy of "Bare-Faced Messiah."
@ B. profane:
You crack me up! : )
Whatever you do, don't stop posting.
@ Alicia:
I know exactly what you mean, I too spent a long time last night and today reading about the Co$. And my thoughts were pretty much the same as yours.
@ Lizzy Du:
If you're so over it, why are you here?
@ Steppy
You f***ing hypocrite. You called Vicki and me lesbians because we dared to say something you didn't like about TC.
Agent- do you think there is some kind of commission paid for number of people who reply to them? Or for how many times they use the phrase "we don't know what really happened?"
For what it's worth, I think the CoS is complete bat-sh!t whackjob nonsense, but I would STILL say that "we don't know what really happened." Because, um...we don't.
I've also never quite understood where all the TC-Is-Gay/Let's-Call-Him-Tommy-Girl stuff came from. He sets off my gaydar not one iota (and mine is pretty accurate, for whatever reason).
I also think the relationship, at least on KH's end, was genuine, at least in the beginning. But all I can REALLY do is speculate. Because "I don't know what really happened."
And despite all that typing, I'm kind of over it. Give me a BI reveal -- did we get one yesterday? -- or show me some supahstars all dressed up on a red carpet. I've heard all about TC/KH in the last few days that I care to. Next item! :-)
Steppy, we ARE constantly degrading and disrespectful. I don't know about my fellow CDANers, but Hollywood gossip keeps that little part of me occupied that would otherwise be gossiping about neighbors and coworkers. I (almost) never participate in "real life" gossip. This is my outlet. I'm sure Tom couldn't give any shits anyway what we say. Or....would he?
My comment was supposed to have the addition "and since we don't know, we shouldn't talk about it". Because obviously nobody knows everything that went on between them, but that doesn't mean that this gossip site should stop talking about it. At least not in my opinion.
Man, the way he's holding onto her in that pic freaks me out.
@Kerri, the way she is slouched down is making my neck and back hurt!
CZJ doesn't lie on her age:22 years ago,she acted in a french movie at 20
Thanks for the link to the Andrew Morton article. I don't remember hearing the fact that Katie had a crush since girlhood on Tom....that puts things in a different light for me somehow. What a surprise she must have had when she started to realize what she'd signed on for.
Fox News' Robert Murdoch tweeted (re Co$) :
“Something creepy, maybe even evil, about these people.”
I think we should suggest that he have Greta van Sustern cover it since she has insider knowledge ?
I was 33 too when I got divorced. It was also an age at which I could handle it and move on. Good for Katie. Now if she'd just get rid of those fugly tan booties.....
@Agent**It: I saw Rupe was posting like mad this morning. I didn't know
GVS was a member. I second your recommendation.
GVS and her hubbie. Should get interesting.
TC is absolutely gay (or at least bi but prob not) Know from the gf of a former bodyguard (early 90's era.) Bodyguard signed an ND contract but of course told his gf anyway. Who told me. This was before the internet and the rise of all the rumors.
But who cares? So many wonderful creative people are gay. The point is, the CO$ is homophobic nearly (but not quite, thank God) to the level of Nazi homophobia, except CO$ believes you can be "cured" if you beard up and "confess your sins" in auditing. Also, it's the foisting the illusion on the public that is so disgusting. There are bi/gay men/women in heterosexual marriages out there who genuinely love their wife/husband (but perhaps not sexually) and make their choice to remain married. But they're not flaunting their relationship as a model of true "straight"romance to the masses! It's the public lies - the public, obviously produced circus, really - and arrogant flaunting of those lies that pisses people off. It assumes such naivety in the public...and worse, it implicitly makes homosexuality wrong (which is what CO$ intends of course.)
I think it's a good thing that these false relationships are coming to light, because if more celebrities are able to be themselves in their public and private lives, the more bisexuality or homosexuality will be understood to be normal. Which it is. For at least 10% of the population. Always has been, since the beginning of time. By these elaborate publicity charades, the implied message is, only heterosexual love is normal.
you people are pathetic, leave Tom alone. What has he done to you. Who cares about religion or if he is in to guys. Tom is awesome in my book.
I have read that within Sea Org homosexuality is quietly tolerated within certain bounds. Keep it secret, no LTR's, admit to it in auditing and they won't chuck you out.
Also for the average "believers": if they're paying for the courses and confess it in auditing, you can do what you want. It's all blackmail leverage that COS can use to keep their followers under their thumb, after all.
I'm sure that's how the COS celeb GLB elite rationalize it, those that don't really believe in all the Scieno bullshit, and they're probably given a pass by their hand-picked auditors. But how does Tom rationalize his sexuality with his belief in COS? If the rumors are true, he's not particularly ashamed of sleeping with men, he just wants to keep it a secret. But he's also supposedly a 5th or 6th-level "clear" and seems to think that he can control reality with his COS tech. How do you make those two halves of yourself live together in one head?
Did Miscavige give him the quiet absolution? "Tom, all of Scientology is 100% true...except for the anti-gay stuff. Ignore that part."
I think Tom like L Ron H is a perfect example of a megalomaniac personality
Who says Miscaviage doesn't have his own sexual identity struggles?
Agent - I guess lizzie du speaks Scientology - her brain is so fried she can't even communicate in the English language..
I see someone else brought up the idea of Jesus being 33.
I believe the story that mentioned that Katie signed a contract, and that the contract is up this year. I also think she was pregnant when she met Tom, and Tom talked her into saying that Suri was his.
I also think that if Katie can demand sole custody, which I would think was unheard of in Scientology, she must have some dirt on Tommy. Like the aforementioned "child is not his" statement above. Thank goodness Katie's dad is a lawyer.
@ Linnea
Selected Scientology members have the job of monitoring site comments.
@mngddess
Not sure what language that was:)
I don't understand why everyone is taking sides: guys, this is simply a matter of the contract being up. This was planned all along. Katie's fine. (if it weren't for this marriage, she'd be referred to as "that girl who played Joey years ago;" this way, she's still relevant, because there's no such thing as bad publicity in Hollywood)
I think pretty much everybody is on the child's side.
I'm not taking sides becuase I honestly believe this was all orchestrated but if it isn't, then I hope it turns to a giant-clusterfuck! For millions of dollars that are being passed from Tom to Katie I need to be fully entertained, shit needs to hit the fan stats! I just hope Suri's gonna be ok though.
"Who says Miscaviage doesn't have his own sexual identity struggles?"
Not me. Guy rings my gaydar like a fire alarm. Plus there have been rumors that he's at least bi.
I'm surprised that, if true, Tom was willing to "procreate" (however it happened) with a woman he had locked up under contract for only five years. He must have known that, in the worst case, she could walk away with the kid before he/she could be brainwashed into a COS-bot.
Or maybe he doesn't really care. If he lets Katie go without a fight but still gets a good custody settlement, he defuses some of his negative PR as a COS zealot and still gets the praise for being a good father and the macho bump for having sired a child.
@CarolMR: I feel the same way. Plus, we haven't heard one iota from Team Cruise. Stand your ground and don't take the bullying.
@BigMamma: of course people care if he is gay. Have you not heard about the homophobic, anti-gay marriage rants in most of the country? If you didn't care, why the fuck would you even comment about his hiding his personal life? Don't be so naive and judgmental.
Maybe Katie is cannier than we gave her credit for and signed the contract before she told him she was pregnant.
Player got played.
@BigMamma: Why do you think Tom Cruise has to answer to you? Do you know him? Has he hurt you?
If he wants to live his live straight, gay, closeted, or fucking stuffed animals, then let him do it.
DO NOT pass judgement under the guise of that bullshit. HE OWES US NOTHING.
@Astrogirl: I feel the same way.
Katie very carefully crafted her exit, and other than a prenup, she probably signed a NDA in case the relationship flopped, the prenup provide more money for each years they stayed married and then CA law takes over after 10 years voiding any agreement which allows a spouse 50% of all assets *Nicole Kidman fought over the length of the marriage if you remember, hard fought. TC and CO$ are going to cover his ass, especially now that the Pope on a rope, Miscaviage elevated TC to 2nd or 3rd in the "Church". Most of the weirdos posting on here are CO$ members who are monitoring sites, the Pope doesn't understand the internets and thinks the content can be controlled. Katie knew this, was told with the help of family and people she trusted to get the information, proof she needed to prevail in court. She has something that isn't covered in her existing contracts, and feels like if it's not now it's never. Also, there is a CO$ procedure called SecChecking, that can start at 6, which basically turns you into a spy on your family, and begins the process of complete indoctrination of children into the cult. You can read the questions at Marty Rathbun's blog Moving on up the Bridge, or the Running Scared series in the village voice, by Tony Ortega. Both of these sources have oodles of information and I think the real reasons Katie has made a break for it that will work. It's also been said that they have had separate sleeping arrangements for a while, a long while. Whatever this was it was no longer an active marriage in all respects, finally Katie is already being followed by the CO$ and is replacing her entire staff, to rid herself of any CO$ members around her family. She's openly monitoring the vehicles taking photos and they all are not paps. I think she's brave but if was going to leave it had to be now. TC is despicable, and will go to any end to get what he and his church want. I don't know why I am unknown now, I've been commenting since the blog went up! Odd.
For those of you who read the VV articles, we're any of you surprised about the time frame TC stepped away from COS due to Nicole's influence? He had very little to do with COS for several years, also coinciding with his peak popularity.
"...then CA law takes over after 10 years voiding any agreement which allows a spouse 50% of all assets"
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but under CA Family Law:
--The 10-year rule applies to spousal support, not community property.
--There is no statutory sunset law abrogating prenups for community property. I wish there were, 'cuz I'd have come out of my divorce with a couple hundred thousand dollars instead of actually losing money.
Just for the record, I am a practicing Catholic. I have absolutely ZERO interest in COS. It's the rampant and veiled homophobic/hate references that I find disturbing, despite the above-mentioned declaration.
These people are adults, and how they conduct themselves is no interest to me and they owe me nothing. As I see it, my job as a human being is not to judge people, but to make sure mine is in accordance to my higher being. That's it. I have no right to judge anyone on her/his lifestyle, or how they go about obtaining/maintaining it.
Sure I swear like a sailor, but where in the Bible are those words written and forbidden? Please, if you are so inclined to respond, I'll only entertain Biblical references from Constantine to 1500. History buffs will understand why.
Interestingly, 33 is my favorite number. It's the age Jesus died for us.
Don't be sucked in, people. The above is a typical example of the misdirection tactics used by COS shills.
Sis, thanks. B. Profane, so what if Tom has done a bad job, in your opinion, of keeping up the "sham" that he is straight? Half of Hollywood has. Your remarks and the nicknames for Tom here, like Tommy Girl, border on the homophobic. BTW, I'm not a COS nutjob or shill. In fact, I've never met anyone who is COS. I've only heard nice things about Tom from those who have worked for him and I'm not trying to paint Katie as the villain. But I think she went into this marriage for money, fame, and publicity. Just my opinion.
@Unknown. You make it seem like Katie is an illiterate, backwater fool.
Hardly. She's been on the scene for many, many years, with a waning career. Plus she comes from a family of lawyers.
Don't get me wrong, good for her for playing her cards, but don't paint her as some naive ingenue.
B. Profane,
Lololol! You have to be Enty. Only someone in his position would try a pathetic goad like that for more hits.
If not, I would LOVE to have Thanksgiving dinner at your place. I am serious. I will even bring the turkey.
@Sis Cesspool - I would love to write out an argument for all the stupid things you have been saying to me and other and argue a couter point but frankly I don't really care. Been a long week so I will just sum it up this way
Grow up and kiss my ass - no one is on her attacking anyone but you
@ Agent **Dumbcunt: I couldn't MORE THRILLED than to be put on your list!
CDAN Readers: My sincerest hope is that you have more brains and personality than to take orders from a cow that issues missives like the one above.
I'm sooooo glad I didn't go to the movies tonight!
@BigMama: you couldn't hit me, even with your best shot.
Oooooo!!!! That's a reference to a Pat Benatar song that is TC's latest movie so he/she MUST be COS!!! RUUUUNNNNNN!
Foolish cow.
@Agent**itforbrains: how did these people offend you? Did they suggest the world is round?
@Lizzie du
@CarolMR
@Steppy
@Scandalous Candice
Dear CD&N Readers:
I have it on good authority that Agent**It and BigMama are KKK members.
See? See how easy that is done? How does it feel?
I believe Katie is standing in a hole in that photo, and he is wearing lifts. She is a head taller than him, but for the official photos he was made to look slightly taller.
Nobody's buying your bull, COS shills. Nobody is going to bite on the homophobia taunt. Nobody is going to get sucked into slinging insults with you so that you can obfuscate the conversation about Katie fleeing a murderous, menacing cult. That's what's happening and that's all we're going to talk about. Scream, slander, try to claim you're not COS...we ain't gonna listen.
Now, back to the rumors that Miscavige himself is gay.... (That'll really get the shills a'screaming.)
@B Profane - hehe you kill me! Thanks for bringing back some levity. *psssst - I also heard Kirsty is their gay pimp. Keep that to yourself though. Wouldn't want to start a riot
LOLOL!!! I must be talking to Southern folk...
@BigMama: I'll SURELY kiss your ass! Provided you can grease up that big white thing and squeeze it through your double wide.
Tell me, how does it feel to finally have an opinion? This is your salvation from your hubby/father from stepping out on you, isn't it?
This is like shooting fish in a barrel...
God, just shut up. Arguing on the internet is fucking stupid.
Katie's song
I learned the truth at 33
Those lunches sure did not come free
And though they tried to brainwash me
They won't be SCing my Suri
I fell in love too young an age
Believing words on trashy page,
That he was straight and would be mine
The lawyers laughed, the papers signed
I tried for years they took their toll
I can't live like a human doll
Pretty clothes and fancy cars
Living with my inlaws what a blast
The time is up, I need to flee,
I'll do it while he's overseas
The press wiill rant they'll have a ball
If I wasn't gagged I'd tell you all.
I learned the truth at 33
@astrogirl: BRAVA, honey.
Wow...did I stumble onto the wrong site? Is this Celebitchy? ;)
Quick Question...
Nicholle was pregnant when Tom left her? Did she lose the baby? I thought she just had the two with Keith Urban.
@Mojees she miscarried.
I did not know that. Thats terrible.
Oh for goodness sakes people. Dont feed the trolls!
I'm mostly a CDAN lurker but I feel the need to feed the trolls. A few posts up @ Sis Cesspool commented that how Tom and Katie conduct their lives was of no interest to her. If that's so why spend time on a gossip site? Commenting on the lives of celebs whom most of us don't know is what is expected on a gossip blog.
Re Tom's sexual preferences: about 85% of the comments I've read on the 2 blogs I follow have focused on Katie, Suri and the COS.
Dear Unknown:
Thank you for calling me a troll. Quite frankly, as an entertainment professional, I am rather interested as to how the rest of the world views us. Perhaps it's the sociologist in me. As someone who had worked in Hollywood for 15 years, I am always amused about what I read in the rags, but when I read unfettered bullshit from sites like this, I take umbrage.
As to your claim that you are new to the site, you absolutely full of shit and you know it. Shall I pull up your past posts? Go home and take a nap.
Blogger Unknown said...
I don't understand why everyone is taking sides: guys, this is simply a matter of the contract being up. This was planned all along. Katie's fine. (if it weren't for this marriage, she'd be referred to as "that girl who played Joey years ago;" this way, she's still relevant, because there's no such thing as bad publicity in Hollywood)
Blogger Unknown said...
Katie very carefully crafted her exit, and other than a prenup, she probably signed a NDA in case the relationship flopped, the prenup provide more money for each years they stayed married and then CA law takes over after 10 years voiding any agreement which allows a spouse 50% of all assets *Nicole Kidman fought over the length of the marriage if you remember, hard fought. TC and CO$ are going to cover his ass, especially now that the Pope on a rope, Miscaviage elevated TC to 2nd or 3rd in the "Church". Most of the weirdos posting on here are CO$ members who are monitoring sites, the Pope doesn't understand the internets and thinks the content can be controlled. Katie knew this, was told with the help of family and people she trusted to get the information, proof she needed to prevail in court. She has something that isn't covered in her existing contracts, and feels like if it's not now it's never. Also, there is a CO$ procedure called SecChecking, that can start at 6, which basically turns you into a spy on your family, and begins the process of complete indoctrination of children into the cult. You can read the questions at Marty Rathbun's blog Moving on up the Bridge, or the Running Scared series in the village voice, by Tony Ortega. Both of these sources have oodles of information and I think the real reasons Katie has made a break for it that will work. It's also been said that they have had separate sleeping arrangements for a while, a long while. Whatever this was it was no longer an active marriage in all respects, finally Katie is already being followed by the CO$ and is replacing her entire staff, to rid herself of any CO$ members around her family. She's openly monitoring the vehicles taking photos and they all are not paps. I think she's brave but if was going to leave it had to be now. TC is despicable, and will go to any end to get what he and his church want. I don't know why I am unknown now, I've been commenting since the blog went up! Odd.
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Give me a fucking break already!
Would you like men to post your identity? You'll have to return an awful lot of money......
Not to mention what you haven't paid in taxes.......
Sis Cesspool claims to be a "practicing catholic" yet is the only one on here writing the most vile insults...after reading these post I now also believe there are CO$ trolls on here. Creepy!
Sorry Sis--unknown isn't a clever moniker I chose. It's the default name the created if you don't provide your own name. So, only one of the comments above attributed to unknown is mine. To reiterate, I read the site daily and RARELY comment.
@ Daysgonebysincemyfatherstolemyvirginity....
I know. The lapse between the wedding and reception was infinitesimal. I'll go to confession in the morning. Feel better?
Like your judgement has bearing on me. lololololol
NEXT!
The CO$ trolls are quick to go in for a personal attack. Looking at you Sis Cesspool. Maybe you should go & take a nap. A long one.
@ Unknown Presently Commenting: My apologies.
However, surly you must take ownership of the entries above....?
If you guys really want to make the Co$ trolls go away, just copy and paste the contents of OT III- the Xenu story. They go batshit insane when you do that. Just saying :)
I LOVE how this site designates the signatory of "Troll" for anyone who doesn't agree with them. Who is COS NOW??
@ghost: By all fucking means!
Why are your proverbial knickers in such a twist over a blog, if I may ask? Have you nothing more amusing to occupy your time with, or has the Office of Special Affairs stuck you with internet grunt work?
I grew up around Scientologists unfortunately, and for someone so adamant that they aren't one, your actions do little to bolster that assertion.
All of this drama is way more entertaining than any movie Tom Cruise ever made!
@ghost--Technically, republishing OT III in its entirety is a copyright violation, which might bring the COS nazis down on Enty.
B. Profane- not at he is not the entity publishing it. Much like sites such as 4chan are not responsible for the content that users post in an open forum.
And for what it's worth, Scientology's documents are all over the internet. They failed to take down Gawker Media, Huffpost, Wikipedia, Google... they couldn't even do anything to Matt Parker and Trey Stone who famously leaked OT III via an episode of South Park. And believe me, it burns them up inside :)
Not only Co$ trolls onboard, but apparently DRUNK trolls, wow.
I believe Katie is standing in a hole in that photo
I thought when that picture initially surfaced that Tom's team must have scouted for WEEKS to find some place the wedding photos could be taken that would help him look that tall. I've always assumed there had to be a dip hidden under her skirts, and a hole sounds even more plausible.
I love The South Park guys. They do what they like, to whomever they like, when they like.
You're right. I'm COS.
Please, let's let them rest so they can gather themselves so they can kidnap KATE (not Katie).
Blogger ghost said...
Why are your proverbial knickers in such a twist over a blog, if I may ask? Have you nothing more amusing to occupy your time with, or has the Office of Special Affairs stuck you with internet grunt work?
I grew up around Scientologists unfortunately, and for someone so adamant that they aren't one, your actions do little to bolster that assertion.
Dear Ghost,
Is that how it works? The more you protest the more you're guilty? No wonder the poor gays have a hard time with you.
I'm gay, but nice try anyway.
L Ron will rise from the dead & cleanse us of all our sins. Will you be ready when he comes?
@ghost--I'm just saying, don't get the blog shut down because of a nuisance lawsuit from COS. Enty's blog carrier could choose to shut down the blog if served with a cease & desist letter.
I believe that no sites under jurisdiction of US law have published the whole text of OT III. I think the sites you listed have published excerpts as allowed under copyright law. South Park satirically paraphrased OT III, which is also legal.
Feel free to taunt the COS shills with all the loony tune details of OT III. I love the bit about the 727's and the volcanos. Or mention that Hubbard was completely strung out on a dozen kinds of prescription drugs when he had the "revelation" of OT III.
B Profane can you answer a question for me please? I saw an interview with Ricky Gervais where his infamous GG speech was discussed,. He said something along the lines of that he couldn't be sued if he was speaking the truth even if it wasn't public knowledge. Is this correct?
More or less, yes, provided he was saying something true-but-unrevealed about a "public figure".
B. Profane- good point. I wouldn't put it past the overly litigious Co$ drones to attempt to shut Enty down regardless.
However, yes, there are sites that have OT III and virtually every other Scientology document hosted. I won't say them here, because I don't want to be complicit in them (or myself) getting harassed by OSA creeps... but Project Chanology is still alive and well if one knows where/how to look. Wikileaks has them all as well, though I admittedly do not know what jurisdiction their servers fall under any more as they move them frequently.
What is the most amusing is that South Park's parody was actually pretty spot on- the Xenu story part was pretty much scene for scene of the actual OT III text. The other OTs, eight in total thus far, are equally as amusing/insane if anyone is ever so inclined to read through them.
@astrogirl,
You need to be able to prove it. If you haven't signed an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) then good for you. If you have, then you have to provide proof that your endeavors went above and beyond your stated contract, which is very hard to prove. That brings it down to a He-Said/She-Said scenario.
Good luck.
Yes, just in case anyone is curious, you can fairly easy find the full text of all the OT levels (are they up to eight now?) on the 'net. They're posted anonymously to various USENET 'groups and they're not that hard to find on offshore sites.
So what level is Tom at supposedly? I had heard Level 5 at one point, and that Travolta was at a higher level.
I wonder if someone slipped Katie OT III outside of the standard Scieno curriculum and that flipped her out about COS.
Sis Cesspool I was talking about Ricky Gervais not being sued by Co$ for the stuff he said at the Golden Globes. Why would he sign an NDA?? What would he have to prove?
The fact that he wasn't sued seemed pretty proof enough that he spoke the truth.
I don't get what you're saying.
Yes, they are currently up to eight, although the word on the street is that Miscavige is going to announce OT 9 in a matter of weeks (on the annual Freewinds cruise).
Of note is that typically when they release the "next step on the bridge" they also edit all of the pre-existing OTs to better suit what they've just pulled out of their collective ass and used to write the newest OT, and members are required to pay for and go through the entire process of these OTs again- yet another costly, time consuming way that they keep members in limbo from ever actually achieving "total freedom".
Last I read, I think Tom Cruise had just began OT 7. Not sure about Travolta. I believe Kirstie Alley is OT 6 though.
Agent**It, we get the point, you hate "trolls" and CO$ shills. Calling people out is beneath you. I like to sit back and enjoy the commentary. It is quite entertaining to see people argue their cause, especially when they stick both feet in their mouth...
When I first started posting, newbies were accused of being publicists. I'd stink @ that job or advertising - unless I really believed in something, and then I could sell it w/o trying - if you are one who feels like enthusiastic people naturally breed/spread (forget the saying) enthusiasm.
No need for anyone to get so upset, just sit back and watch the fireworks. Much more entertaining!!
I did some more reading last night and thought it was interesting that:
There was approx a 2 wk period when Katie Holmes when missing, pretty much straight after meeting TC for the Mission III audition. Her father spoke publicly about her dissapearance and as far as I'm aware, it's never been disclosed as to what happened to her during that 2 wk period.
I also read the comments posted on D-listed and one of the readers pointed out the similarities between Suri and TC's cousin William Mapother, whom I also understand is a CoS. I did a google search and wow! I can understand a child having similarities with their relatives, but Suri is the spitting image of him. Makes you wonder.....
After reading about CoS practices, I do have some concern for Katie's welfare but I think she'll be safer for the time being than in 6 months or a year's time, when there's less media interest in her and the divorce. I think that this is when she'll be at greater risk. Ironically, right now, having the pap on her tail might work in her favour. The impression I've gotten is that they seem to be a small community and seem to know each other which is why there were able to identify that the 2 cars following her, weren't paps. I found the fact that one of those cars had NYPD clothing items a bit disturbing. Is that something that's easy to buy as tourist gear over there? Seems a bit odd if it is.
And lastly, in the past much has been made of her childhood crush on Tom. It was only last night after reading, I think the Andrew Morton article (he better be careful from now on), that it was on Tom Hanks not Tom Cruise. It was just spun out to be Tom Cruise because that tied in nicely with the romance theme.
Personally I found Agent**it's list useful. I had my suspicions before hand and this confirmed them.
Based on your update Roxxx I am going to substitute verse two in Katie's song to this
Thinking I was safe I went to audition,
Little did I know 2 weeks I'd be missing
With a fetus inside me my value was high,
I thought I could manage the life of a lie
It's the repetition and addition of names, makes me feel like I am back in HS...
Agent **It is great and I have enjoyed all their postings - save these - just because someone disagrees w/the majority does not mean they are CO$. They may all be, but everyone should feel free to post, even if we don't agree w/anything they say - unless they are attacking other posters etc...
" Plus, it gives the opportunity for everyone to take a few minutes to bash Tom in the comments and pray that Katie is strong enough to get Suri out of the clutches of Scientology"
jaja LOVE
thanks Enty!
Awesome :D
@ astrogirl:
You're clearly gifted! Made me laugh : )
God help Katie, she'll need it.
@ Snowstorm:
Fair point - I agree.
Thanks Roxxx I felt like things were getting a bit heated earlier and that was my way to help lighten things up a bit.
Glad you liked it :)
"...just because someone disagrees w/the majority does not mean they are CO$."
No, but if you only comment about COS celebrities, and if you deny and obfuscate following the "script" that COS shills are known to use, don't be surprised if you get labeled as a clam sneak.
And if you do get unfairly labeled...relax. Don't react.
Look, it's no surprise that the shills are at the barricades. Enty is clearly baiting COS by posting three items about the TomKat split in a row and encouraging readers to comment about it. He knows and we know that CDAN draws more than a few eyes from the entertainment industry and media. He knows that the blog was on the radar of COS already and drawing their shills to post denials in the comments. He's taunting them to bring it on, and I think one can glean why. He wouldn't keep posting entries about Tom & Katie divorcing if he was unhappy with the volume and tenor of the ensuing comments.
The light-hearted banter and bitchy snark is available in other comment threads. For the moment the commentary about this celebrity divorce is likely to be infused with a somewhat dreary degree of religio-cultural warfare. But, presumptuous though it may be for me to say, I don't believe that our host is displeased with that.
Whew!
Right? However, I feel so much lighter now that I have been "outed" as COS agent. All because I disagree about homophobic rants. Utterly fascinating.
I don't really get all the Tom hate. Maybe his preaching about cos is annoying but he is nice.I heard many people talk about how he was very nice to them when they met him.
@snowstorms and others, sorry you feel that way but identifying them is a tradition here and as well as on other blogs. When there are more readers, the names are carried forward by others who were not here yesterday.
There are now a lot of very young readers here that are becoming familiar with Co$.They get good source material here and are intelligent enough to follow up by reading other sources to see what's going on (other than gossip).
When Co$ are called out they always respond with homophobic accusations. Apparently, BigMama and I are now KKK members. We'd be more like Clooney and crew in "O Brother where Art Though'.
The particular reader who insists on using offensive language seems to be a little bit unstable.
This is a significant event that is occurring in Co$ land and one that Enty has pushed for years on this blog.This cult may explode. Human trafficking, murder and missing people are pretty serious subjects.
Again, sorry you feel that way, but no apology from me.
The ironic thing is, despite my one run-in with COS when TC was filming on the Fox lot, all I know about COS I learned from this site. No kidding.
Oh, and if people can't take offensive language (how do they sit through a film these days?) then who is the unstable one?
@Agent**It, I love you. :)
I don;t think anyone was blindsided. Katie knew exactly what she was walking into - her 5 year contract was up - it was all prearranged. In fact, I read on one site about the contract and it said "expect an announcement in due course (of divorce)". Her father oversaw (?) her contract apparently. Nicole's cont. was for ten years. I remember how she went on about how upset she was and that she dudn't know why it happened and his attorney commented "Nicole knows exactly why this happened" - it was very cryptic. Also I don't believe she gave birth to her first child either. She only came out about the second one was because there were people ready to talk and so she beat them to it. Nicole would NEVER stretch her body etc like Pink, Jessica and others. We saw her with a big bump but never looked pregnant, if you know what I mean. Then she had implants and said her breasts were bigger after the birth. he is unbelievable. I read that she got pregnant to Ewan McGregor or at least wanted his baby. Tom has always insisted she be discreet. Anyway, Katy knew about Scientology and Tom - everyone did. She is just fulfilling her contract and was or will be paid handsomely for it. Of course, she would move to NY. That's my take anyway ...
Agent**It, you bring great information to the threads, and if you want to do a roll call, that is your choice, but can you please limit the amt of times and possibly leave it for CO$ threads?!? I have never seen roll calls before - then again, Steppy has been our resident TC fan the past few months. I have seen the Majority of the other posters posting for quite a while (before I ever posted), and never knew them to be pro TC. Heck, after seeing Rock of Ages and having a special connection to that film, even I have softened towards him - CO$ aside. Nice to see Katie firmly stepping out against them on Day 3. I would love for her to post religious differences as partial reason for divorce - under irreconcilable differences...
@B.Profane and @Ghost .
Tony Ortega recommends the following as a Co$ flyswatter:
" Where's Shelly Miscavige? "
@Agent**It
Hahahaha! Yesss, I love it!
I hope all this media scrutiny will prompt Congress to revisit the tax exempt status of CO$. I'm going to call the offices of both my congressmen and demand.. Hang on, brb, there's some men in blue polo shirts at the door.
@astrogirl - I can just see you sitting in a coffee shop strumming on an acoustic guitar and it's cracking me up.
As far as the NDA, perhaps I misunderstood the question you were asking. I've written and read many contracts and some of them get right to the point about what can and cannot be said, and some people insist that be included. (Riders are a good place for this...) Producers confer about how things will go down, protecting themselves from written communique, clearly implying if they don't get what they want, you wont see the talent again. And lastly, there is a right to free speech, which is an easy out for studios.
In the end, I think it was TC's way of slapping RG and the GG as a warning to show that he (TC) won't take shit. We call it saber rattling. TC has to show face, and GG want to get the best talent, so everybody wins.
@astrogirl - I can just see you sitting in a coffee shop strumming on an acoustic guitar and it's cracking me up.
As far as the NDA, perhaps I misunderstood the question you were asking. I've written and read many contracts and some of them get right to the point about what can and cannot be said, and some people insist that be included. (Riders are a good place for this...) Producers confer about how things will go down, protecting themselves from written communique, clearly implying if they don't get what they want, you wont see the talent again. And lastly, there is a right to free speech, which is an easy out for studios.
In the end, I think it was TC's way of slapping RG and the GG as a warning to show that he (TC) won't take shit. We call it saber rattling. TC has to show face, and GG want to get the best talent, so everybody wins.
Sis thanks. I wish I could play guitar.
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