Colorado Gunman Planning For Months - No Accomplice
On Saturday there was some discussion and one witness who said he saw someone open the back door to the movie theatre and then leave it open which some people thought was the work of an accomplice inside the theatre. Police believe that James Holmes actually propped it open himself after buying a ticket. Police also believe he had been planning the attack for four months. He bought his guns legally in Colorado and bought 6,000 rounds of ammunition online and all of his tactical bulletproof gear over the same time period too. As they identify everything he used to booby trap his apartment, they will probably discover when he bought that too. He had been getting a huge number of deliveries over the past several months.
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Please stop posting his face! I don't want to look at this guy!
What happens to make a person become like this? It's unreal.
@EmEyeKay, I agree. He wanted fame and notoriety. Let's not give it to him.
In the case of the Norwegian shooter last year, there was a larger political point to be discussed, so it was worth probing the shooter's motives. It appears this guy was no more than a murderous fool.
I can't imagine how that neighbor that went to the door to complain about the music must feel knowing if she had opened the door she would be dead.
An idiot like me would of taken the bait and gone in to turn the music off.
It's like everytime we get rid of an Osama Bin Laden type another one just pops up to terroize people.
The rightwingers were doing their "liberals and gays caused this" stuff yesterday, and I had to admit: He was playing techno music in his apartment.
Man, I would love to wipe the smile right off that assholes face.
Did you see he has a Match.com profile too!! I haven't read anything about his family or childhood yet. We know drugs were involved but this is just crazy. It's not like he didn't know it was wrong.
Another one sick of seeing his face.
He was/is mentally ill, too bad he sought weapons instead of treatment.
Please my last next door neighbor played that god awful "Music" ( it seems a crime to even call it music)
on weekends before and after clubbing. A sigh of relief when her parents sold the apartment, she's someone else's headache now.
The rightwingers have the same answer for everything...
This sounds like other classic cases of white male's w/ high i.q's going psycho, I heard a talking head say something that made a little sense in all this. He said that this loser is typical of the serial killer type in that he's a white male with a genius i.q and when these kinds of people run in to the problems that we all face, such as losing a job, relationship, encountering adversity, that they just don't know what to do, because they're smarts have gotten them so far and have been rewarded so much for their intelligence. So they snap and blame everyone else for their failures and turn that rage and emotion in to attacking other people. Because they certainly couldn't be the problem. As good a theory as anything else.
I've been getting a bunch of deliveries lately. My boyfriends birthday was yesterday and over the past couple of weeks I've gone nuts on Ebay. I don't want the government in my business over that. Do they really need to be concerned over Red Sox gear I bought? The Vikings jacket I purchased? The 3 stooges classic dvd set?
Yeah. no.
Here's the thing...the ASSAULT WEAPON should kind of be a thing they need to check out. Cripes, I can't even purchase a taser legally and this asshole can buy an AKG. AND AMMUNITION. Maybe that's where the checks should begin. Have the weapon all you want, you go and buy 6000 rounds for it..we'll take notice.
Or just don't allow people access to such guns.
I say this as someone who loves to go to the range and relieve stress.
ABlake - agree with your idea here. But I think the real issue is that the ATF can't find their ass with both hands, much less orchestrate a comprehensive firearms tracking program encompassing and incorporating all fifty states.
Lots of federal legislation, like immigration policy for example, needs a complete and total overhaul, but the sheer scope and overwhelming nature of the task makes it close to impossible to know where to even start.
@CarmeliteLady - that's a great theory, but it doesn't fit the Virginia Tech shooter, the Columbine shooters, or the Norwegian shooter. All those guys were pretty much life-long losers.
@BartonFink, I think the left has also done its share to score cheap political points off this, as they did when they (incorrectly) tried to tie the Arizona shooting to Sarah Palin. It doesn't reflect positively on either political persuasion.
@Nutty - Sarah Palin had posted a bulls eye with, I believe, Gabby Giffords district in its sight. That is why she was blasted, and rightly so. Because of her huge following, it was felt by some that that was some sort of encouragement.
I am grateful that I live in Canada, where we have pretty strict gun control (not that bad things don't happen here). I can't imagine why any person, rational or not, outside of the military or police, would have a need for automatic weapons.
I'm with ya Frufra (love your insight btw)
It's always a hindsight 20/20 thing. We're going to see a ton of damage control (metal detectors at theaters from now on etc) immediately, then at some point someone may get a clue and realize that the answer is right there. It's not that hard to figure out.
Ugh, I'm sorry. I just look at that idiot's picture and think "because he exists, 12 people don't"
I need to go watch Caddyshack or something:)
Agreed! I can't stand that smug face!
@Surfer, I don't defend Palin's negative campaigning, but it had absolutely nothing to do with Jared Loughner's attack on Gabriel Giffords, as many on the left implied at the time.
Loughner was a registered independent and never spoke of having been influenced by Sarah Palin. He seemed to be more upset about Giffords' connections with space program. At any rate, linking the shooting of Giffords to conservative political posturing was indeed unfair.
Besides, if political rhetoric could be linked to gun violence, the bankers and financiers of America would be afraid to walk the streets.
In general, people seem to like to blame horrible events like this on "the other" - the other political persuasion, the other religion, the other race, the other gender, the other type of people, as a way of assuring ourselves that people like "us" would never do such a thing.
My sweetie is european and the whole family fish and hunt all sorts of wild game so everyone shoots and own rifles, I spoke to my future mom-in-law this morning and she says no one in their village understand this kind of crazy....
No what sane person could.
When someone buys that many guns, ammunition and bullet proof wear...why doesn't the store selling it report it to the Feds or even the local police? If I were a gun-store owner, I certainly would. But, then I have a conscience, and would never own a gun store in the first place.
"In general, people seem to like to blame horrible events like this on "the other" - the other political persuasion, the other religion, the other race, the other gender, the other type of people, as a way of assuring ourselves that people like "us" would never do such a thing"
Well said Nutty, very well said.
You're right Nutty, in the sense that people often seem to feel the need to blame someone or something, whenever something catastrophic happens.
I mentioned the bulls eye, as the shooting happened shortly after that, and a great deal was made of it in the media, rightly or wrongly.
I'm sure in the coming days and weeks we will learn more about this person. But already his actions have had consequences far and wide. I heard last night that here in Canada the movie chains had increased security,and also banned masks and certain accessories (wands, swords). Which is so sad. I really believe that this was a one-off incident.
What's to say that you're not some crazy asshole who will take a knife bought at target and go kill some people in a bathroom line at the zoo?? What good are checks & balances when people are just fucking nuts.??
GUNS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM
They may not be the problem but they sure do seem to be a constant in the whole 'massacre' equation.
I agree, stop posting this lunatic's photo!
also, i am pretty sure a guy with a knife would have taken a hell of a lot of time to kill 14 people, wound 70+ and hopefully would have been a bit easier to disarm.
Come on! my dad was a hunter and we used to have hunting rifles in the house [always under lock and chain], but the fact that gun sales are heavily monitored in Italy, does help a lot.. please stop supporing NRA's with the excuse of personal liberties..
When two presidents [from two different political factions, for good measure] infringed your personal liberties allowing and then reconfirming that people can be spied upon without the need for a warrant, no one beat an eyelid because it was "to fight terrorism"..
well stop selling guns like they were M&M's.. I am sure that will fight terrorism too!
I was so shocked when i walked through walmart in AK and i saw they were selling guns.. in a freaking grocery store!! please...
@surfer,
this guy didn't have an automatic weapon.
In America, in order to buy an automatic weapon you have to purchase from a FFL Dealer and the transfer must be approved by the ATF.
Also note, his AR 15 jammed, so he likely did most of the killing with a shotgun.
When two presidents [from two different political factions, for good measure] infringed your personal liberties allowing and then reconfirming that people can be spied upon without the need for a warrant, no one beat an eyelid because it was "to fight terrorism"..
Utter baloney.
There was quite a bit of debate over the warrantless wiretap program.
Honestly, the thought that he might have an accomplice seems weird. The Columbine boys were unusual. Can you imagine loner, angry psychopaths a) having loner, angry psychopathic friends who they could then say b) "hey, I know.... Let's go kill a bunch of strangers for no reason?" and have them say "okay! I'm in!"
It just seems like it defies reason that people who it this profile would ever get close enough to someone else to have a friend they would trust enough to bring that up, no?
Granted... Group attacks by terrorists are just as violent and disturbing - but they usually have a group agenda (overthrow a govt., war, etc) whereas there wasn't any 'greater purpose' for guys like this one or other random-public shooters/bombers
@Jay
There was quite a bit of debate over the warrantless wiretap program.
that might be, but the program was extended for other 4 years by Obama in May 2011.
Wait, do not answer.. they might think you are the terrorist :P
L,
I know. If you mean there wasn't debate last year, you are certainly correct.
A lot of the "civil liberties" crowd has grown silent since Obama's election even though he's carried out many of Bush's policies.
Oh, the Washington Post published a roundup of noted mass shootings around there world on Friday.
Note that these things happen in other places despite America having more firearms than most of the rest of the world.
It is also worth noting that America's crime rate is at a 40 year low...In 2010, violent crime rates hit a low not seen since 1972; murder rates sunk to levels last experienced during the Kennedy Administration
I hate those pictures, smug asshole.
According to TMZ this f*cker was a summer counselor a few years back and was responsible for around 10 kids.
He had a match.com profile and an adult friend finder profile. Maybe if he would've gotten a girlfriend this would've ever happened...
@Jay
i know you guys do not have the monopoly on the crazies.. and considering the number of people living in the US, we need to thank God, Buddha, Hashem etc that these things only happen once in a while.
but while I agree with you, the link you share does little to dispel my belief that less guns around make these events less likely - i mean in the article you mention the US leads 11 to 9 on THE REST OF THE WORLD!
ok I jest now - and it's probably not the right time nor the right thread.
Again, daughter of a hunter, I used to help clean up the bounty my dad would bring home, he taught me how to shoot.. etc I am not against guns.
But I prefer to know very few people can get their hands on one, rather than owning a few to have to defend myself "old west" style
SURPRISE! You're missing the point- it does not matter how people kill people . It is against NATURE to kill another HUMAN for SPORT. You are crazy of you kill people just for the hell if it like d-bag did. And if you are crazy enough to kill for shits and Giggles then the right to buy/own a gun doesn't matter . Crazy will kill with whatever. And crazy will find a way to get any weapon he (white boy) wants and use it. It is the crazy that kills people. And crazy should be put down like a dog . Along with pedos, rapists and any other sexual deviant ( animal perversions , snuff, etc) there is something wrong with your brain and are therefore defective and useless to society . Goodbye
@Lizzymagoo22
sure thing - but can we agree that if the guy in question was armed with a spoon he would have had a harder time killing and harming all those people and it would have been easier to stop him?
come on... People kill people, but people with guns kill more people more effectively.
haha! love the goodbye at the end.. farewell, i guess
@Lizzymagoo22: What about treating the crazy that plagues our society with something easier and more humane like funding for mental health facilities?
Crazy may kill anyway, but guns are too easy to kill with.
Have a look at this guy, he isnt a soldier he is a pansy. There is no way a guy like him would even attempt to take on a cinema of people without a gun to make him all big and strong.
It's the guns that give these idiots their power and delusions of grandeur, take them away and they're powerless.
Crazy people don't NEED guns. There are a million ways to hurt people if that is your intent. After all 9/11 terrorist flew planes. If you wanna get someone you will find a way to do it...IJS
Because look at all the good that came out it? Seriously ? What purpose do insane people serve? What's the point? Like the pedo's there is no rehabilitation . Oh sure they can take meds and numb the brain, but they're never "cured ". And when the states shut down the facilities these nutjobs are in your neighbors yard raping their bird and yelling cuss words at grandma. Please. My own sister is cuckoo for cocoa puffs and I know she's a risk to society.
Oh and that rationale had been used on the poor for decades and look at what good has come out of it . these poor people who have to live on welfare because there's no jobs. I know, lets give them free money, free houses , free food, free cell phones, free computers , free healthcare , and free education.
Wait , what do you mean they're still poor and feeling sorry for themselves . In that case we better give them More handouts because apparently everything else isn't enoougj to get their shit together and stop living off of my tax dollars.
Please. People suck and the people who feel sorry for them are suckers
@Lizzymagoo22 - wow way to be compassionate towards others! maybe you want to kill the poor too.. LOL!
@lulaluvs2snack - sure the crazies will always find ways.. but is the answer then making it easier for them.. because we might as well?
Agreed . But the fact is that no matter what guns will be here . Forever . With or without govt interference . And people will kill people. With or without gun ccontrol
Ps I wish it was a spoon and life was that simple
But we think the federal government can make all of our healthcare issues magically disappear through their messianic, totalitarian intervention. (chuckle)
oh come on! it's like saying that since certain illnesses will always plague us, there is no reason to use vaccines and medications to contain their effects..
let's all be adults here - what happened is tragic and makes us all think in black and white.
but we should not let rage or fear make us forget that the world is a lot of shades of grey - and if regulated [not outlawed] guns save even one life, i think it will be worth it
@The - well considering that the unregulated and insane US banking system destroyed the world economy, together with the greed of big corporations offshoring local work for cheap labour [and thus getting China to own your ass] - it would be nice for a change is the government finally did something good for their people... haha!
I'm on a roll. This guy and that other guy that tried to abduct that girl, and Sandusky , and the guy who applied to be a border patrol agent (during the interview admitted to raping a 2 yr old, a dog, a pig and a horse I believe)...
I think I'm just upset at everyone. Tv and Internet off f
The only time I have ever feared for my safety in a big city was in Toronto, where I encountered some of the most aggressive, hostile panhandlers ever.
And wasn't the gay porn actor who recently cut his lover's body into chunks from Canada?
Yep. Gun laws solve everything.
Nice sentiment but human nature being what it is I would wager a guess that more guns are being purchased to do harm than for self protection.
@Lizzymagoo22 - i can understand.. and you are right.. it's good to take a break. have a great rest of the day!
@The - yes and we are 5 years olds, so unless we find one solution that cures all the evils in the world, partial steps in the right direction are not worth considering.. haha - good stuff!
He is not mentally ill, he is evil.
There is a difference , hard for most people to accept.
Hmph. That should be Enty's next question for us...
Insanity or work of the devil?
What about insane people doing evil things
@ L: kudos (sp?) for being such a good sport and gracious commenter. Anyone else would've left claw marks in my back
@Lizzymagoo22 my pleasure - this i why i like commenting on this blog - we can have interesting discussions, even if we might not always agree, without it descending into personal attacks :)
besides i really could not sleep tonight so chatting about things, although unfortunately sad, really helped me pass the time. now off to the shower and then work!
have a great evening
He was a Psychology TA -- my friend's son was in the class, not this past academic year but the one before. And more recently he had been working on a doctorate in neuroscience. He didn't go psycho; he was more educated on that subject and on mental illness than 99 percent of the population. The guy planned this out very deliberately, and manipulated everything about the attack and the way his apartment was rigged for maximum psychological impact. He knew exactly what he was doing.
I too believe he's evil, sick of seeing his disgusting mug too.
so those witnesses who were on the news saying someone got a call on the cell and opened the door, were lying? geez what else is going to change? well since case closed i guess everyone can all be happy and go, 'case closed'. sad for the families...terrible..
I really wish you would stop posting his face Enty - you're giving him fame that he doesn't deserve. How about posting about some of the victims - I would much rather hear about them than this sick fuck.
It seems very likely he is suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. He's the right age for it to have come on. Labeling him "evil" is just another way for us all to avoid societal responsibility for mental illness.
I label him as evil cause I think he's evil no other reason. Mostly yes they are sick, some are just evil.
Some news on the victims and heroes:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iCog9uxykvq5KUPaQDUwUH2GA_LA?docId=2b691651c0f84563aed52b827cbfd151
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=12521486&l=20d8a30d5d&id=263743636076
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/21/12875584-shooting-survivor-boyfriend-took-a-bullet-for-me
http://militarytimes.com/news/2012/07/navy-air-force-buckley-batman-shooting-victim-sailor-confirmed-072112w/
http://www.twincities.com/ci_21127706/aurora-theater-shooting-stories-victims-killed-emerge
Nutty, Another 'Well Said' re your comment re blaming the 'Other' side.
Frufra, I've about given up hope. The nation's problems are so complex yet our decision and policy makers are so politicized and polarized that we're gridlocked and just eke out paltry knee-jerk responses at best.
And Mooshki -- He is [at the upper end of the] right age to be succumbing to paranoid schizophrenia. Thanks to Reagonomics we have much less money being spent on mental health. And i say this as a fiscal conservative.
And if my Google and eBay searches for makeup can be tracked and 'show' the desired search answers on sites such as this, why can't someone's online purchase of 6,000 rounds of ammo, multiple guns and bullet proof body armor be tagged and flagged by a federal agency?
I want proof that the dead, or those in their family, would not have discriminated against me in employment, or would have testified against any employer (including their own) who did.
Seriously. If someone would not have respected my employment rights when they were alive, I'm not going to shed a single tear when they die. This is also true of those who work for or otherwise associate with those who do not respect my rights.
As someone who has been TARGETED by people like the victims, with imputations of mental illness etc. all because I speak out against laws *they* break (discrimination, sexual harassment), I have to say that incidnets like this do not shock me: idiots who wander through life never confronting evil aren't going to be very good at it. Evil won big on Saturday.
Once again: anyone who would deny me a job for which I am qualified when they are alive is no one I will cry for when they are dead. I aid this after 9/11 and I'll say it now. Most of the victims were idiots who have little more to do with their lives than go to a stupid movie premier.
The world won't miss them, much as it might cry. They were useless people.
@BetterOffSingle - please tell me you do not have access to guns.. LOL!
@BettorOffSingle the fuck are you talking about? What do any of these people have to do with you getting a job? For you to write them off as 'useless people' is ignorant and disgusting. You do realise that one of the victims was a 6 year old girl? And that every single one of those people in that cinema did not deserve this and had someone who loved them and who may never get over what happened?
You say they were all idiots for going to a movie premiere - they were loyal fans who love the Batman movies! Just because you would prefer to spend your nights wanking to porn and crying about how you're so fucking hard done by doesn't mean the rest of us are as pathetic. Fuck you and fuck off.
"Labeling him "evil" is just another way for us all to avoid societal responsibility for mental illness."
I respectfully disagree, to call him mentally ill is an insult to those who truly are and to those who assist in caring for them. Those are the people that need assistance. Evil is a frightening word for a lot of folks because it implies something beyond definition. There are things beyond our human capacity to understand and this type of evil is one of them. I think good people everywhere (esp. here) agree: this was tragic.
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