Friday, June 09, 2017

Four For Friday - Starlight Lovers

At one point in time, the subject of this blind was A list. In some circles, she still is, and I think that in her niche, she probably still deserves that designation. Anyway, let's just call her a former A list entertainer from back in the day, who if you're a certain age, you'd be familiar with. I'll call her Ms. C. During the height of her fame, Ms. C was not only very, very famous but also got a lot of attention just because of her unusual role as an entertainer and also because of her attitude. She had lots of attitude that was appealing in a bad-girl sort of way.

Ms. C's trajectory to fame was not an easy one though. Her family background was very unstable and included abuse. Not a very happy situation to grow up in at all. As a result of all that, Ms. C was an awkward misfit who had a lot of problems as a kid. Music and acting provided healthy escapes for her, and in particular she was very classically talented in music at a young age. No one would have ever guessed she'd end up as famous as she was, especially in her particular genre, but she did. Many of her talents were self taught and were distinctive and unique.

Ms. C's rise to fame was actually the result of a bunch of lucky breaks and connections for her. She was in the right places at the right times and made connections with like-minded people who understood her quirks and saw her potential. Once she'd made those connections, the fame for her and the others in her circle happened fairly quickly. Probably too quickly. This was one of those moments in time that special and talented people are often able to step into. Once she was on board the fame train, it took off- way, way too fast.

The problem with Ms. C is that she was fundamentally uncomfortable being a public figure. She hated being interviewed, hating doing promotional work, hated all of the schmoozing that often is required when you become a famous person. To cope with these situations, as is the case a lot, she began using drugs and alcohol to calm her anxiety. Her fellow entertainers were very tolerant about this, since they understood her true nature and they put up with Ms. C's using because they understood it helped her deal with the demands that were being placed on her. They probably did that for longer than they should have though, but they were all pretty young at the time too and were all trying to cope with the crazy stuff that comes with being famous themselves.
During this time period, Ms. C also became close to another famous person who was in her sphere. They discovered that they had similar backgrounds and struggled with some of the same social anxieties. I wouldn't call this a romantic relationship, but they were very, very close. I'll call him Mr. B. - he and Ms. C. spent a lot of time writing letters to one another (this was before the Internet). They were able to connect since both were basically introverts who had become famous and were uneasy being in the public eye. They would try to meet whenever they were in the same city and shared a passion for stargazing and also poetry and art.

As time went on, Ms. C's substance abuse problems became worse and she was also physically run down from too much work. Stress, substances and overwork had taken a toll. Her fame had also started to wane and it became necessary for her to quit her career for a while because her health was totally breaking down. Mr. B was instrumental in encouraging her to do this, since he was also struggling with some of the same issues himself.

When Ms. C left the entertainment business, the break was meant to be temporary, but it pretty much became permanent. She became a recluse with no desire to return to the spotlight. She had also developed some more serious health problems as a result of overwork, and it took a long time to recover from those things. And there was also the ongoing struggle to get off drugs and alcohol. Ms. C was eventually able to get a lot of her health back, but struggled with the addiction issues on and off for years before finally getting sober. Meanwhile, Ms. C and Mr. B had drifted apart and only kept in contact sporadically. She considered him a part of her old life, and because of how ill-suited she was to being famous, she had distanced herself from a lot of her old friends who were still in the public eye. Mr. B had also struggled with sobriety and other issues as well, while his fame continued to grow.

Fast forward to a couple of years ago. Ms. C and Mr. B crossed paths at an industry event. Ms. C had only agreed to attend the event because she was invited by old friends and also because her children urged her to go. She still struggled with anxiety, so she was hesitant to attend and only decided to go at the last minute. Ms. C had also recently been receiving therapy for trauma related to a sexual assault by someone in the business in the early part of her career. She had been repressing the memory for years and finally was able to confront it as a trigger for the substance abuse. She was nervous she might see the abuser at this event, so because of that, it was pretty brave for her to decide to go at all. Her old friends were really happy to see her there. Mr. B was also at this event, and Ms. C was able to re-connect with him there. The connection was immediate and it was as if no time had passed at all, even though it had been many years since they'd been pen pals and confidantes.
Ms. C and Mr B. stayed in close contact after this event. Since they were both older and wiser now, their friendship deepened and began to turn into something romantic, which was a surprise for both of them. The biggest problem though, was that Mr. B was still struggling with sobriety issues himself- and Ms. C was very serious about her own sobriety. She did not ever want to return to the days of using again. She now had kids to think of and also had built a life away from the business that was happy. Mr. B came to see Ms. C in her city and they had a long talk about their relationship.

Although she genuinely loved Mr. B, she had to make it clear that the dealbreaker for her was that he must be sober if they were to have any future together. They made a pact that he would do what was necessary to get his life in order and successfully get clean. Things were looking really good for both of them when something happened that made any future for them as a couple no longer possible. Because of this, Ms. C. is terrified she will be thrust back into the spotlight and will be forced to discuss her relationship with Mr. B. She is very worried that the sexual assault she experienced many years ago could also be exposed as a result.

150 comments:

sandybrook said...

Bill Cosby and Debbie Allen?

just sayin\' said...

i'm so happy! haven't read it yet but i love these so much!

sandybrook said...

No it may be Debbie but not him.

MontanaMarriott said...

Not enough details for a clear cut choice.

Tricia13 said...

Anne Reinking-"Ms C" the original Roxy Hart in Chicago and she's the most famous female "choreographer" of the 70's etc and Barishnykov(Mr.B") maybe...

MontanaMarriott said...

Perhaps a comedienne of some sort or a newscaster?

just sayin\' said...

she only has one child and he refers to her children.

sandybrook said...

Judy Collins and somebody could be Stephen Stills but they were involved? Suite Judy Blue Eyes is her.

Krab said...

Maybe, but Gwen Verdon was the original Roxie Hart.

Stephe96 said...

Any way to make Edie Brickell and Paul Simon work?

MontanaMarriott said...

Laraine Newman from SNL back in the day?

Jane said...

Not likely, the "children" would have to be stepchildren and she is has been married for years.

Tricia13 said...

True ...did she have step children?She was married more than once

Krusty said...

Joni Mitchell/ Leonard Cohen?
Bobbi Gentry/ Glen Campbell?

ryan said...

I'm trying to think about who would be a 'bad-girl' musician or actress. Makes me think this is someone who is in rock n roll or pop music, or was.

ryan said...

Fiona Apple just came into my mind for some reason. Is she a recluse? I thought she was still performing

Jane said...

I don't Joni Mitchell ever acted. And Glen Campbell is hasn't been in any shape to see any one for quite some time.

Simon said...

Bobby gentry fits but not Campbell. Hmmm

isvara said...

Sounded like Dita Von Teese and Prince Charles at the beginning, until it got to the children/romance part.

Plumper said...

Charo??

Mymymy said...

Okay, so Ms C is a quirky "bad girl" who became famous as part of a group or ensemble before the age of widespread email use (pre mid 80s?) who made such an impact she would still be called A list in her corner of the entertainment world despite not having been active for years.

And Mr B is someone from her era recently accused of (probably) sexual assault in the past year or so. But he's still famous.

I'm thinking it's more likely to be someone in a band, maybe a rock or punk band from the 70s/80s That's where a lot of the now iconic quirky, unique bad girls came from. Perhaps Debbie Harry? Or Pat Benetar? Lita Ford?

I don't know whose been accused of sexual assault lately. There's been so many.

I'm stumped.

ryan said...

i did read this as mr. b being the assaulter. i read it as being someone else in the biz. for some reason i think this is someone from the 90s since that's also sorta enty's era.

ryan said...

i mean DIDNT. i think mr b and the assaulter are different people

Krab said...

Debbie Harry has no kids. Pat Benatar is a very good guess though. I also thought of Joan Jett but she's not classically trained.

Jane said...

Carly Simon?

Spy said...

Irene Cara, Coco in Fame, song "What a Feeling"

Divorced, 55, won an Oscar

Fireflies said...

Before email = pre mid-90s. Mr. B isn't the assaulter.

These pretzels said...

I'm trying to make Courtney Love work as Ms C, with Billy Corgan as Mr. B.

Mymymy said...

No Mr B isn't Ms C's assaulter, but the blind said something happened recently that made their relationship impossible to peruse and whatever it was made Ms C nervous HER sexual assault would come to light. That made me think that he was involved in some kind of scandal involving the topic, which is the only thing I could think of that would make it more likely folks would dig into her past looking for that if they came out publicly as a couple.

I don't know if I explained that clearly, but that is what I was thinking LOL

Paige said...

No joke - first name that popped in my head. I just don't know anything about her except The Love Boat.

Mymymy said...

Wow that's perfect! The only thing is I don't remember her being famous as a bad girl or being known for attitude. But she was certainly unique and a trained musician, and was totally A list who dropped of the face of the earth.

..... said...

Pat Benatar's been happily married for years.

JustReading said...

They're married, so probably not.

JustReading said...

I didn't read the thing that happened as sexual assault. Tax evasion? Car accident? Something at least marginally scandalous/criminal that would draw attention to C's relationship w/B.

sd auntie said...

Fiona,is a recluse due to issues stemming from a rape!

JustReading said...

Joan's likely lesbian or bi, no children

shakey said...

I think mymymy means that the event that tore them apart was a sexual assault. Sounds quite plausible.

Maybe Mr. B is Bill Cosby! (Although Ent doesn't say that he's married.)

JustReading said...

No children?

shakey said...

Ms. C isn't an actress.

Guesser said...

The clues- she was classically trained, but became famous in an unexpected genre, punk, grunge, possibly country. Unique talent self taught? maybe performance artist type? Drug problems, retired because of it for the most part..Has children. Recent events could keep her from reuniting with ex love, long time friend. the Guy, Mr B, became famous later than her. Has a history of drug and alcohol abuse.Why would her relationship with him lead to her assault being exposed?. How about Ben affleck for the guy ,Casey being involved in some way, directly or not, or someone connected to Scientology, The Masterson accusations?

JustReading said...

Lori Petty doesn't have children, or I'd say Petty & maybe Richard Grieco, formerly downlow painter.

Guesser said...

Someone related or associated with in some way.

JustReading said...

That's what I was doing with Lori Petty/Richard Grieco. No can do. =

JustReading said...

Bridget Fonda/Woody Harrelson

Josh Baskin said...

To me, this could be Meg Tilly

JustReading said...

Gifted classical guitarist. IDK that she's ever disappeared though. She has one child.

JustReading said...

I think B him, too He assaulted many, many women and the trial is RIGHT NOW.
C doesn't want to be outed as a victim, because no one knows at this point - maybe Filthy Bill wants to call her as a character witness because she never reported it or maybe another victim knows her.
I think the assaulter is B.
C could be practically anyone - singers, dancers, comics, musicians...equal opportunity rapist.

Just4Fun said...

She came to mind as well but I think she & James Taylor split because of his drug issues so I always thought she was pretty clean. And I think she HAS been recording over the years, just no hits, so she hasn't exactly disappeared.

JustReading said...

Tori Amos was the youngest person admitted to Peabody Conservatory Prep, at the age of 5. Classically trained pianist.
Neil Gaiman, fiction author, is her very dear friend and is godfather to her daughter:
"Early in her professional career, Amos befriended author Neil Gaiman, who became a fan after she referred to him in the song "Tear in Your Hand" and also in print interviews. Although created before the two met, the character Delirium from Gaiman's The Sandman series is inspired by Amos; Gaiman has stated that they "steal shamelessly from each other". She wrote the foreword to his collection Death: The High Cost of Living; he in turn wrote the introduction to Comic Book Tattoo. Gaiman is godfather to her daughter and a poem written for her birth, Blueberry Girl, was published as a children's book of the same name in 2009. "

ryan said...

the word starlight is unique imo. i'm going to do a search and see what i can find

Rachel said...

She's written songs about her abuse stemming from childhood.

JustReading said...

Tori Amos & Bill Cosby were both regular late night talk show guests in 1992-ish, though I can't place them on the same show at the same time, thus far. A week apart is as close as I've found and it's entirely possible they'd have been in the same building or studio at the same time.
Tori's second studio album, Under the Pink, in January 1994.

Logic22 said...

Ali McGraw? It said the person could act and sing.

Rachel said...

The person in the blind doesn't want to discuss their past abuse or have it known.
Amos wrote songs about it (sorry to repeat).
Not her.

Fes said...

But no kids

Jane said...

The blind states, "Music and acting provided healthy escapes for her... "

Do Tell said...

Pat Benatar has been happily married for years (decades) and constantly tours. Never took a break from the biz.

Bleu said...

Natalie Merchant, just to be different.

Scandi Sanskrit said...

See, that's what makes the timeline so hard to pin-point... The Queen of England sent her first email in 1976 (but it was sent from a Military Base). For the rest of us, our first emails were circa 1996.

Perhaps someone C and Mr. B would have access to email somewhere in between?

Scandi Sanskrit said...

Sorry, I meant, "perhaps someone like Ms. C and Mr. B would have access to email somewhere in between?"

guest said...

Alanis Morrisette

Worksforme said...

What about Tom Jones and someone?

rdmtimp said...

Bridget Fonda's been married to Danny Elfman for years. This can't be her.

rdmtimp said...

Plus she's been married for years.

hakunafrittata said...

Ms. C is Charo.

Not sure who Mr. B is.

Shortie said...

I think Hakunafrittata is right with Charo.
Was married to Xavier Cugat. She is a great classical guitarist, totally killing, terrific musician.

Shortie said...

Changed my mind, don't think it's Charo. Is Mr. B. Tom (What's New Pussycat) Jones? If Charo is an introvert off stage I'll eat her gigbag.

looking closely said...

Charo is a fairly skilled classical guitarist, still performs on guitar (or did until pretty recently) and as a child she attended conservatory for guitar founded by no less than the great Andres Segovia. So she's definitely got the credentials. Unfortunately for the guess, she's been married to the same man for nearly 40 years, and she only has one child (not "children"). She also hasn't really "disappeared" since she's has occasional TV and other appearances for the last 15 years. So don't think this is a perfect fit.

looking closely said...

With Love, check on the f'd up childhood, but a negative on "classically talented in music". Love has no classical music background whatever. Famous yes. . .skilled instrumentalist. . .not so much.

Hot Cola said...

To be honest, the wide spread of email didn't start until the mid 2000's. Definitely if you were already 30-40 and older. Prior to 2004-2005, if you didn't work in an office and were'nt 20-30 than you probably still communicated by phone and postcards.

Hot Cola said...

Also, didn't Tory had a role in a movie?

Hot Cola said...

It said, the pperson grow up in an abusive home situation and on top of that, was sexualy assaulted at the begining of their career.

lookylulu73 said...

I'm tracking back to the recent blind that seemed about Chris Cornell. Merging what's publicly known about Cornell with the blind: He had life-long substance abuse issues, struggled mentally/emotionally in general (including adjustment to fame?), had found someone new (per the blind he was ready to move on from his wife; could the new person have been an old friend turned new flamed?). Something happened so they cannot have a future - his death.

Terry Towels said...

I've a couple ideas to work from--

Possibly Bjork for Ms C, but no idea for B

or

?? for MsC, Greg Allman for B, The "All my friends" album/tour being the event (he died in May).

Dogan said...

Ms. C: Fiona Apple ("Criminal")

Mr. B: Chris Cornell ("Black Hole Sun")

Roc said...

Grace Jones?

JustReading said...

Well, that made no sense. Sorry!
Cosby as assaulter, not supportive friend guy.

JustReading said...

She has a new album coming out and has been performing. She has a daughter.

WhatYaThink? said...

Cyndi Lauoer popped in my mind but I don't think she fits. Has never teally stopped working.

Paula said...

Mr. B: Prince
Ms C: no idea

pickledpeach said...

Starlight led me to Emma Samms

edged1 said...

Yes, Mr B is Chris Cornell; His real name was Christopher John Boyle.

Debbie said...

Dogan got it!

Kim said...

Fiona Apple doesn't have kids.

Ms.C: Sarah McLaughlin ?
Mr.B: Chris Cornell ?

Spooky Tooth said...

Lori Petty has discussed her abuse.

Spooky Tooth said...

Debbie Allen has been a director and choreographer for years. She has also had a recurring role on Grey's Anatomy for years, she is still on it. Can't be her.

Spooky Tooth said...

The blind says Ms. C has multiple health issues. It says she has children and nowhere is a husband mentioned or implied. For all we know some of the children are stepchildren or adopted. The children were most likely minors at the time she reconnected with Mr. B because the blind says she had to think about the children. We know Ms. C and Mr. B were not romantically linked beforehand.

Which female celebrity has children, could be a widow, could have a lover, or has adopted children, and has had health issues and was known or rumored to have substance abuse issues and was famous as an adult prior to the mid 1990s? Where is VIP Blonde? She would know.

nursermk said...

I sent emails back and forth from friends, family and businesses at the start of the 90s (on 'dial-up' of course!) AOL pushed their business to the masses in '91-'92, ramping up 2-3 years later as well as other services who jumped on the bandwagon. Your mid-2000 timeline is off by more than 10 years.

Spooky Tooth said...

According to Wikipedia, Barbra Streisand hasn't been in anything since 2012. Unless she is the most discreet person in the world pertaining to drugs and drink, it can't be her. Kristen Curiosity was on Broadway last year, can't be her.

The blind says this person was unique and people of a certain age would remember her. I am 38, so I am calling on people older than me to solve this puzzle. The only other person I can think of is Donna Summer. I think she is dead though. If it is Donna Summer that would explain why the romance never took off.

Spooky Tooth said...

Chenowith, not curiosity.

Spooky Tooth said...

Exactly. She has also discussed being raped.

Christina said...

Ms. C is Sinead O'Connor

Mr. B is Chris Cornell

Puts his cover of Nothing Compares 2 U in a different light, and his comments on the song Josephine.

Canadia99 said...

Ms. C reads like Madonna (Ciccione).....the timeline fits, but I have zero idea of Mr. B.

Christina said...

Madonna has never been reclusive

Frostieflakes said...

Lauryn Hill is Ms C. She has kids, had a 12 year absence from music, she went to prison, had a few acting roles early in her career. According to wikipedia she has been friends with Zach Braff from being very young, he could be Mr B.

ryan said...

there is also a song by the Smashing Pumpkins by that name. Still digging.

Spooky Tooth said...

What about Juliette Lewis, Bernadette Peters or Doris Day?

Frank said...

I would love this to be Bobbie Gentry. She was a real powerhouse- cut tough deals for herself when women weren't doing that. Choreographed and staged her own Vegas shows, wrote the songs & had the vision - and then walked away. And she had amazing sex appeal - try to find the old live clips, she was called "the female Elvis" for good reason!Timing is right for a Bobbie blind --- this week held "her" day..."it was the third of June..."

looking closely said...

Madonna also has no classical music training

edged1 said...

Ms C : Ally Walker
She has a degree in biochemistry and worked in the 1992 movie Singles with Chris Cornell (Mr. B.)

LaSirene said...

I don't know know why youre getting so many downvotes, that's an interesting guess

GFB said...

Ms C: Carole King
Mr. B: James Taylor

looking closely said...

Looking closely, I like Charo a little more for this. Charo's parents were separated when she was just a small child and she was educated in a convent. So that goes to "troubled youth". Charo fled Spain, came to the USA, and got married to 66 y/o Xavier Cugat at age 15 (!) and they lied about her age. Later she claimed the whole thing was a fake marriage for business purposes, but in effect she was a teenage runaway. She became famous at a VERY young age, probably as a teenager. . .and she would have been ripe for sexual abuse. Charo legitimately was an A-list Las Vegas headliner in the 70s, known for being drop dead gorgeous, Spanish guitar, dancing, and singing. . .that's an usual combination. Like Madonna, Streisand, and a few others, she was (and still is) a gay icon, so that's "A list in certain circles" . Charo's English was notoriously bad when she came to the USA, literally off the boat not speaking a single word of English and even today its still heavily accented. That was one of the gags that made her famous (and the start of her "Cuchi-cuchi" routine), but I can see why she would be highly uncomfortable doing interviews or press.

But the rest of this? She's got one kid. . .he's 35 years old and an actor. Can't see why "for the kids" would stop her from doing anything Anyway, I look forward to seeing the "reveal" on this one!

looking closely said...

BTW, Charo was never much of an "actor" in terms of serious stage or cinema, but she's had plenty of TV Appearances, and was a staple on "The Love Boat" which was a giant hit a zillion years ago. For "blind" purposes, that's probably good enough.

looking closely said...

I think Charo actually DOES fit most of this. See above for my detailed parsing . She's one of the very few mentioned who actually were A-list (she was a top Vegas headliner for a little while), "classically talented in music" (formal training in classical guitar, which she still plays), has significant "acting" credits (was a regular on "The Love Boat" which was a huge hit in its day), and a troubled youth (parents separated, schooled in convent). .

She came to the USA in the mid 60s effectively as a teenage runaway, and very quickly became famous due to connections from her "husband" Xavier Cugat, in what was superficially a very sketchy relationship. She was probably 15 when she married Cugat, then 66!

She never really "disappeared" but she was pretty low-profile for a long time. Its always hard to know if that's by choice, or just because of lack of opportunity.

looking closely said...

Where did you get "before email use"? I do think that's implied here, but the word "email" isn't in the blind. And why do you think she was part of an ensemble? Where does the blind talk about that? The blind mentions her "circle", but I took that to mean her showbiz peers that she associated with, not specifically bandmates.

looking closely said...

Again, blind doesn't even mention email, not sure what that has to do with anything. But on the topic of when email became used, that depended a bit on what you did and in what circles.

I personally was using email on a regular basis in the early 1990s and it was used in certain circles well before that.

But email was definitely in WIDESPREAD use in the US by the early 2000s. Obviously, not everyone had nor used it, but if you remember "America Online"/AOL, its PEAK American subscription was in 2002. Also, you might even remember a hit movie called "You Got Mail" starring Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan about a romantic relationship started over an AOL email. That movie came out in 1998!

looking closely said...

Whoops. My bad. Article does say "before the internet". So that effectively places this before the early 1990s. Again, by 1998 internet/email was popular enough that Hollywood put out a hit movie about AOL called "you've got mail". But email was certainly in EXISTENCE and commercially available well before that, dating back to the early 1990s.

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looking closely said...

Mymymy, my bad. Article says "before the internet". Although technically it existed before, for blind purposes, modern commercial internet really started in the early 1990s. That's when an "ordinary" person could get an account and send emails back and forth. What's now know as the "web" also started about that time, with the earliest web browsers.

I think that effectively dates this artists heyday to late 1980s or before.

GFB said...

I thought about Prince and Sheila E., but she has no children and has never been reclusive.

looking closely said...

"C" can't be "anyone" because C has to be a female musician with significant classical background/training, an somewhat offbeat act/set of talents (ie NOT just an "ordinary" musician) and A-list in her niche. Pre-internet era puts this artists heyday prior to 1990.

To be clear, B, isn't the one who assaulted C. . .if that were true, they wouldn't have been friends/pen pals for years, and they wouldn't have reconnected at this industry event. But the implication is that B is/was involved in some sort of scandal (perhaps sexual) making it impossible for them to reconnect further.

Foolmt said...

I'm thinking this might be some other form of entertainment. Maybe gymnastics or figure skating? May Nadia comeneci

buddah said...

Twilight is the key to Ms. C
Moonchild is the key to Mr. B

buddah said...

Starlight, not twilight. Sorry.

Josie said...

I don't think Fiona Apple has children.

Spooky Tooth said...

She is not known for singing. She has been training in gymnastics since childhood and she runs a gym with her husband Bart Connor. The blind implies Ms. C is not in a relationship.

Cheez Whiz said...

I think Chris Cornell is a good fit for Mr. B.

Courtney Love is an *almost* fit for Ms C. She grew up in very, very strange circumstances (see Wikipedia), and got famous very quickly (but first from Nirvana/Cobain in 1992, and only around 1994 for her band Hole). Has done acting. The only counts against this guess are that I can't find any classical music ability in her bio. And she has only one child. Plus, I can't see her daughter urging her to attend any event, let alone one where she might meet her abuser (it wasn't Mr B but, given her checkered history in her early years, it could have been almost anyone else). She certainly would have known Cornell from the Seattle music scene. The "before the Internet" thing is also problematic... it's not clear when she met Cornell.

Does this give any clues?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUPZt_4hL71/

Foolmt said...

It doesn't really say singing is her profession only that she grew up with it. Maybe dancing? It just seems not to be mainstream.

Nobirken said...

SHANIA TWAIN
CHRIS CORNELL RIP

buddah said...

This.

Suz said...

Wrong, I'm 60 and was on the "world wide web" 1991. I was 35 at the time. Please don't assume about anyone.

Jiujitsyou said...

You might consider changing your user name, "looking closely." ;-)

Jiujitsyou said...

I was on the team that created AppleLink Personal Edition from 1985-1987. It was later renamed "America Online" when it launched in 1988. That was when email began to become widespread.

Of course, during the fifteen years prior, we sent email via closed systems like CompuServe, the Well, Byte, and so on; they all had gateways to ARPAnet (better known now as "the internet").

Jiujitsyou said...

"Introvert" doesn't mean "shy." There are introverts who are outgoing (I'm one) and extroverts who are shy.

Introverts prefer solitary behavior, while extroverts prefer to be surrounded by people. They get their stimulation in different ways. Introverts find pain in attending parties or any event where there are a lot of people, noise, and motion; extroverts thrive at those. Introverts arrive home after events and need hours to recover. Extroverts arrive home and are sad that they can't be the center of attention now.

Prunie said...

But was Charo ever a bad girl? And does she have children?

Jiujitsyou said...

I'm sorry; I forgot t fin ah my thought. (Drinking and posting don't mix!) the blind says:

"The problem with Ms. C is that she was fundamentally uncomfortable being a public figure. She hated being interviewed, hating doing promotional work, hated all of the schmoozing that often is required when you become a famous person." This tells us Miss C is an introvert. If she were shy, it's unlikely she'd have had all those "lucky breaks" which introduced her to so many useful people.

Now that I've done so much to try t help you understand nteoversion, return the favor and tell me what a "gigbag" is, please? I'll be disappointed if you t lol me it's an autocorrect goof.

Roxanne said...

Brooke Shields Just throwing that out there not sure who Mr. C is, but she did date alot when she was younger.

Mama said...

Mr B: ???
Ms C: Lisa Bonet
Sexual Predator: Bill Cosby

B + C = Bill Cosby

The blind says, 'She had lots of attitude that was appealing in a bad-girl sort of way.'
Remember when she was in Angel Heart with Mickey Rourke?
And then LB just disappeared.

Mama said...

I wouldn't be surprised if Bill "The Rapist" Cosby was pissed at her for threatening to go public with a sexual assault/attempted sexual assault on her given what we've heard about him.

He was very public about how LB had somehow disappointed him and it seemed weird that she had drawn a line in the sand with him and was ready to walk. He probably gave her A Different World as payment for her silence. She basically gave him the finger when she agreed to do Angel Heart.

No idea who Mr B is though. Hmmm... gotta figure this one out.

Mama said...

Maybe Mr B is Chris Boyle, AKA, Chris Cornell?

Mama said...

Lisa Bonet's dad was and opera singer - that's classical for sure.

Mama said...

Was there a reunion for A Different World? Cosby produced it, but didn't appear in it, so maybe she was worried he would be there.

hrmm said...

I also wonder if this could be Patti Smith.

WhoWhat said...

Melissa Auf der Maur and Billy Corgan?

Cara said...

That's just not true. My mom died in 2004 at age 62, and she'd been using email for many years by then (as had virtually everyone I know!) i started using it in 1996. Were you even an adult at this time?

looking closely said...

Prunie, "bad" is a bit subjective. The blind says she had lots of attitude, in a "bad girl" way. Charo used to (and still does at age 65+!) wear super skimpy outfits, and was over-the-top flirty on stage. .I think that does fit.

Again, this is not a perfect fit. So far as I know Charo didn't do any stage or serious acting before coming to the USA, but that could easily be a stretch on Enty's part. She's got one adult child. . .not "children". She's also never really "disappeared". But I do think this is a much better fit than many of the names mentioned here who either don't have classical music background, aren't really A list/"very very famous", or don't occupy some sort of somewhat unusual entertainment niche.

Marlin said...

Totally off the wall guess but
Sonny, Cher and Greg Allman?
My first thought was Charo but This screams Cher to me for some reason.

buddah said...

Ms (C)herub Rock
Mr (B)lackhole Sun

WhoWhat said...

Melissa Auf der Maur is the Rockstar's Girlfriend?

hmmm said...

I'd guess Darcy Wretzky before Melissa. She supposedly lives somewhere near Detroit too.

hmmm said...

Darcy Wretzky. Smashing Pumpkins. Lives in Michigan.

buddah said...

Yes, the blind fits DW and she does live in Michigan.

WhoWhat said...

Buddah and hmmm, thanks for your feedback. The Detroit mention is bothersome. Could the "deal breaker" conversation and the "no future together event" be a closer timeline than implied in the blind?

AgentX said...

Yes. "By Starlight" song. She taught her self how to play bass. Out of spotlight for many years- recently sober. I'm thinking Mr B is Chris Cornell Rumors were flying he was seen with a tall blonde. D'arcy is 5'8" The children could be that of her boyfriend Patrick.

whoa said...

Holeeee shite. So there is a rumor that CC was expecting a "friend" to attend the Detroit show who was a no-show. If this is DW I wonder who the assaulter is.

buddah said...

That very question actually crossed my mind.

Whistling said...

By Starlight - The Smashing Pumpkins
By starlight I'll kiss you
And promise to be your one and only
I'll make you feel happy
And leave you to be lost in mine
And where will we go
What will we do?
Soon said I will know

D'Arcy Wretzky & Christopher John Boyle

looking closely said...

"Gigbag" is slang for a padded soft zippered backpack like case used to transport a guitar. They're light, easy to carry, and relatively inexpensive, but don't offer all that much protection to the instrument.

As a rule, pro classical guitarists avoid gig-bags for their performing instruments, because concert grade classical guitars tend to be highly expensive (usually many thousands of dollars) relatively fragile (especially compared to electric ones) and highly humidity sensitive. Every classical guitarist I've ever seen uses hard cases, which offer much more impact resistance, and create a humidity-stable microenvironment. I'd bet Charo transports and stores her own classical guitar(s) that way too.

As to Charo being introverted, who knows. On stage she's flamboyant but its actually pretty common for performing artists to develop over-the-top stage personas as a way of compensating for intrinsic shyness/introversion. Famous shy/introverted artists of this type include Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Freddy Mercury and many others. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Charo were actually pretty shy and solitary in private.

looking closely said...

Neither Wretsky nor the rest of the Smashing Pumpkins were "before the internet". Email was already highly popular by the mid '90s when Smashing Pumpkins was at its peak. So far as I know, Wretsky doesn't have children. So this one has a few gaps.

NiceLady said...

Interesting...Shania Twain had a perfume called Shania Starlight