It Gives A Whole New Meaning To The Mamas And Papas
One of the things I love about Mackenzie Phillips is that she is not shy about sharing. As I have said previously she is one of my Facebook friends and she is willing to share pretty much whatever comes into her head. She is kind of like Courtney Love, but with better spelling and no questionable deaths in her past.
Well, in her new book she shares about as big of a story as someone can possibly share. Mackenzie and her father who was in the band The Mamas And The Papas had consensual sex for about ten years. Mackenzie said it was consensual but I have to say that I don;t think there is any such thing when it is between a parent and their child. Yes, the first time she was 19 and so not technically a child, but I still don't think there can be consent in that type of situation.
In her book and on Oprah, Mackenzie says the first time she ever did drugs was with her dad. He shot her up with heroin and he is responsible to a great extent for everything that has happened in her life since. Yes, and addict has to take control of their life, but when your introduction to drugs is by your dad shooting you up, then it wasn't really her choice. He kept her on drugs for 20 years and she was on drugs when they first had sex. She was on drugs when she got fired form the number one show on television.
I think by saying the sex was consensual that she is trying to still protect her father and she shouldn't. He is an animal for doing that and he should be vilified.
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Honestly, thats a bit of information i wish she had kept to herself.
There is seriously nothing you can say about this. Unbelievable, and how will this information benefit anyone???
I don't think anyone is trying to benefit from it. I have a friend who was raped by her own father for years, and never said a word. One day she randomly broke down and had to tell someone, anyone, because it was eating her up inside.
I am not easily shocked, but 20 years of heroin and 10 years of sex? How could this woman ever have had a normal life. She was doomed from day one. Where was her Mother? What did Oprah say? I am stunned. I hope she finds some healing in her revelations.
If this is true, it's beyond horrible but...
Isn't he dead so can't defend himself if this isn't true? Sorry to doubt, it just screams "attention for my new book with one of the biggest shockers I can come up with as you know all about the affairs, drugs, etc. already..."
I'm getting shivers reading this. It's not even creepy. It's pure evil.
I wish it was Mackenzie (instead of Courtney Love) that had a questionable death in her past.
my heart just broke a thousand times over reading this. i'm sure the furnace in hell was kicked up a notch the day john phillips arrived. omg, may this girl find peace, she deserves it.
A lot of people are giving her a hard time for talking about it on national television and for not doing it when her father was alive. I just can't bring myself to criticize her. I am sure there are a lot of reasons why she didn't feel like she could reveal it while he was still living...fear...the obvious confusion in believing it was consensual. I can't imagine it happening to me or how I would handle it. I just hope that talking about it helps her in some way.
That is all sorts of wrong. It's sad that she's trying to protect her father. I guess it's just a way of coping. Hopefully she'll go to therapy and get help.
It's times like these when I wish I believed in Hell, so that I know he's burning there right now.
Good heavens.
What Nosey Parker said.
And not that this is proof that he did it but he was with Michelle (2nd wife) when he was around 27 and she was underage and he hung out with Polanski and his addictions were well known so I am going to go ahead and give Mackenzie the benefit of the doubt. And besides who would want to say this stuff if it were not true...I just don't see it even if she thought it would sell books...I think just saying he shot her up with heroin would be enough of a shocker to make the book sell.
While I think it's important for her to unburden herself of the truth and speak out as a role model for other victims of sexual abuse,is slightly suspect.
Why not do it in conjunction with a non-profit, just to raise awareness?
It's time for people to stop sharing so much personal information. If you need to talk, see a psychiatrist or a support group.
This is just so sad, true or not. If it's true, for obvious reasons. If it's not true, she has to be all kinds of screwed up to even make it up.
It's times like these when I wish I believed in Hell, so that I know he's burning there right now.
Me, too.
As her father, he was in a position of authority in inducing her to do drugs. As her father, he was in a position of authority in inducing her to have sex. I think his drugging her made her incapable of consent, but she's probably calling it consensual because there isn't a statute in whatever state they were in that includes her circumstances in defining rape. One of her stepmothers would probably sue her if she didn't put "consensual" in there.
This guy abused drugs and alcohol for decades, then got a liver transplant. I'm sure he made some money on his own autobiography, blaming his addictions on heredity. Eff him.
I tend to think if he'd shoot his own daughter up with drugs, he'd rape her, too.
I think she's telling it because she has to. I was a single mother. When my son was 10, I applied to Big Brothers and he was assigned a nice, friendly Marine who lived near us, who became one of the family. He went on family outings, ate dinner with us, teased my teenage daughters, talked about anything and everything with me, and forced my 10 year old boy to perform sexual acts in private. My son could not tell me for almost 20 years. When he finally broke free of the silence, he told everyone. It's a necessary step. Most abused children feel a lot of shame, because they think it's their fault, and they hide it. I can understand her telling the world. I can also understand the messed up on drugs thing, because my son has been trying to get clean for 25 years now. We take it a day at a time.
Like Alice D. Millionaire said = Michelle Phillips was like 15 or 16 when she and John started dating, it's not surprising to me he would do this. I truly feel sorry for Mackenzie Phillips she kinda started from a bad position to begin with, having a normal or reasonably normal life seems impossible for her in that situation from day one.
to all celebrities: STFU
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The story of the first time they had sex, it was clearly rape. I view the entire "relationship" between them as such.
As to those who say she should shut up: let's see you go through that trauma and see how appropriate your response would be. Let her deal with it however she wants to deal with it. The victims of sexual crimes should not have to be silent just because YOU think they're just lying to get attention. Its a shitty attitude to have.
@BadFish AMEN!!!!!!!!
I understand the need to tell someone. But surely she has friends, family, psychiatrist she can talk to, not Oprah. I guess i've just had enough of celebrities sharing. But definitely a good anti-drug ad isn't it?
I don't question her story for a minute.. That man was messed up and he messed her up. I dont understand why some people are getting angry with her for telling her story.. It's self therapy, and if she can make some money for being her messed up father's sex toy, she deserves every penny!!
Oh @Syko, your story made my cry. I'm so sorry, and hope that your son can find peace. You too.
Regarding Mackenzie, I also read that the first time her dad coerced her to have sex was the night before she was getting married. Now THAT is some fucked up psychology there.
Thank you, figgy. He's currently on anti-depressants and seeing a therapist, and finally starting to make some progress. He's lost 28 years of his life. Luckily he's got about 40 years ahead of him.
I think the attitude that victims of sexual abuse should keep quiet tends to add to the victims' feeling of embarrassment and shame. If a criminal shoots you with a gun, nobody expects you to keep your mouth shut about it. But if a criminal steals your innocence and forces you to do things that you probably are not even old enough to know about, and jump kicks you into a life of drugs and possibly crime to support the drugs, then you're supposed to keep it a shameful secret? Wrong.
Yeah--why does the whole flippin'
world have to hear and know this?
Sorry, but some things are not for public consumption, unless of course someone stands to gain from it, via ratings or money or some benefit other than therapy and getting "well."
Syko, I'm so sorry, too. May the healing and progress continue for your son and your family.
I swear that I read some time ago that she was raped in a pick-up truck around the time of American Graffiti? Which would make her around 13 or 14 years old? I think she was hitchhiking or something. Damn, I can't remember.
I heard this on Stern this morning. Foul. Just foul. This is beyond TMI even for a celebrity. Does she have kids? If she does, I feel so sorry for them. There are just some things that you shouldn't know about mommy and that includes that she fucked grandpa for 10 yrs. Whether it was consensual or not or whatever...who the hell knows with this one....this is not something you want to be broadcasting to the world. This belongs in a shrinks office. Just foul.
Well the truth sets you free, and since incest is a growing problem in this country that is not talked about, the victims feel even more shame and they are made to feel as though it's there fault by their abusers, and by society as well.
This is actually a very good thing it may be a catalyst for a child to come forward and identify their abusers so they can be punished, and treated - although pedophilia is impossible to treat, even chemical castration doesn't work. But at least a suffering child can get help and not have a ruined life.
Something to think about: Nearly all the women in prison have been sexually abused, it's a crime that impacts all of society on many levels. Many of the men in prison were also molestation victims.
I applaud her because more good will come from her telling the truth and people discussing this, and if it helps even one child in an abusive relationship she's done a truly brave thing by talking about this.
That poor girl, how she suffered for all those years.
Syko, I am so sorry for the pain your son and your family has been through. I hope that Marine rots in hell. I pray that your son recovers. My thoughts are with you and your family.
Yes, let's point the finger at Mackenzie, because our delicate sensibilities are more important than the fact that this woman was abused by her father in countless ways. Let's not make people uncomfortable, and let's not say anything bad about John Phillips since he's dead and therefore excused of being exposed for the sick prick he was.
Fucking pathetic, that attitude.
She's a survivor, she needs to get this out; if people can't handle it then that's THEIR fucking problem and perhaps they need to grow up a little bit.
I'm not a bit surprised by any of it. The girl was obviously in the torments of hell when she had her original meltdown so many years ago.
Child stars don't become drug addicts if they have loving, caring parents.
They get that way because somebody isn't fulfilling the most basic function of parenting - protecting them from predators of any age.
So many show biz parents are little more than pimps, I'm surprised there aren't more former child stars picking up a pen and telling hair-raising stories.
WBotW I totally agree. Just because it makes me and the rest of the world want to throw up does not mean she should keep her mouth shut. Imagine how she felt living with it. Whatever helps her I say.
This is not even in the same ballpark as oh let's say...that Kardashian twit informing us every time she feels bloated or crampy or whatever due to her pregnancy...now she does really need to STFU.
Most of the comments here are supportive (and Syko I'm so sorry for what happened to your child...so sorry.).
As an adult survivor of sexual abuse, just know this:
THE PAIN NEVER GOES AWAY.
Therapy, meds and talking all help...but it never. Goes. Away.
We don't know if she was sexually abused by her father. I hate it when the children of famous people don't write dirt about their parents until their parents are dead. She should have written this when John Phillips was still alive. He cannot defend himself now against these charges.
And exactly what defense is there? Do we really need him to be alive to know that he'd deny it? Or do we just *have* to hear the justifications of "Oh, I was on drugs"...?
Give me a break.
And further more, Im personally thrilled that she spoke up because if anything, our society needs to wake the fuck up from this publicist-fed mentality that celebrities are all just basically good kids who fell in with the wrong crowd. Most are scum and we shouldn't be buying into the beast that tells us they are better than us. Call me a cunt, but I think I'm better than some child rapist.
Whoa. I'm absolutely shocked that some of you still believe that incest and other sexual abuse should be a victim's private shame.
How can we ever solve these social problems if we don't discuss them?
WAY TO GO TO EVERYONE out there who has ever spoken up about being hurt in this way.
I have nothing to say on the incest angle. Bad things... bad things.
I will say, though, that "One Day At A Time" was NEVER the #1 show in the country. Top ten for a good portion of its run, yes. But never #1.
When I saw this story this morning, I almost threw up. I'm saddened by those of you who think she made this up for attention/money and those who thinks it's TMI and she should be quiet. Maybe she's telling her story now because it's an important part of her healing process? She apparently told her half-sister Chynna Phillips TEN YEARS ago.
As an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse, sometimes the person needs to DIE before you can begin to heal and tell your story. When my molester uncle died 3 years ago, I had a complete nervous breakdown. It was only through therapy (individual and group), medication, and the realization that it could no longer define me that got me through it all.
Monster. He exerted ultimate control over her. He's the lowest of the lowest.
I tend to believe she needs the money, and I don't begrudge her - like someone said, I hope she makes a lot of it. She's still fighting her demons and at this point, it's unlikely she'll ever be really successful at show business, which is the only skill she has. She could have had a much different, better life if not for her dad so I say hells yeah, make some money.
I read somewhere that Michelle Phillips fought tooth and nail to get sole custody of John's son with another woman, and that she hated him till the day he died. I bet this is why.
I've also read of John and Michelle doing drugs for days and days, and Mackenzie having to beg strangers to feed her, so Michelle probably feels a lot of guilt as well.
Oh, and Mick Jagger is a piece of dirt as well. But I already knew that.
I'm with CaroleMR - if this is true, it's hardly surprising she's had such troubles and I feel deeply for her. However, she is writing these accusations about a man who is dead and can't defend himself, and a lot of you are accepting her story as fact.
Talking shit about someone after they're dead is a tricky thing. That being said, I don't know the whole story and perhaps someone can corroborate her story.
For those of you who think she should have brought this out when her father was still alive, do you not think that would have been terribly difficult to confront the man who kept her drugged, raped her, and basically controlled her whole life? She was a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. She did tell her sister Chyna years ago, and Chyna says she believes it. I think it's brave and probably healing to tell the public.
Consensual or not, minor or not, sex with your own child is DISGUSTING. ewww, ewwww, ewwww.
Ya know...I'd heard these rumours for years and just could not believe any parent could have such a twisted disconnect with their child as to do that! But the more I've learned about him since his death (and you learn a LOT about a person once their dead, gone and pose no threat of any kind), things that were kept in the dark come to light. I feel horribly for her even though she has to learn to own and overcome her addictions, I still blame that soul-less monster for the majority of her drug-related problems. No words for a tool like that...none!!!
I don't get why people think she should keep quiet. Talking about it probably helps her heal.
I too am a survivor of childhood incest from an older brother. My father doesn't understand why I don't want anything to do with my bro now that I'm an adult. He says that I should just let the past be the past. Easy for him to say!!!
I don't advertise to just anyone that I've been sexually abused but usually when I do tell someone, they seem to turn the blame around on me. "Why didn't you make him stop?" Well gee...because I couldn't??? He was five years older and a lot stronger than me. This was not the only abuse he inflicted upon me.
My parents basically chose to look the other way when I finally talked and it all came to light.
Incest is like domestic violence - as long as people are ashamed to talk about it, it will continue unchecked. It's icky to hear about, but it needs to be faced and fought.
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