Tuesday, December 12, 2017

Today's Blind Items - The Church

One thing upfront. The church I am referring to is not Scientology. This is a church that was founded just a couple of years ago in northern Arizona. Why this particular location? It is remote for sure, which helps. They learned in the past that it helps to be remote. They also learned in the past that it helps if they can attach themselves to another established church or religion. They got that in this northern Arizona town too. What they also got though are three things they treasure most of all. Number one was the built in security from the other very secretive religion in the area throughout the town, which was very open to the idea when they saw the very large check. Number two they had the ability to integrate hundreds of children into a community that seemingly has nothing but endless supplies of children. Finally, they were coming to a community where no one looks down on anyone who has sex with teens and tweens.

The people who founded the church like to say it is their version of the Trinity. A pretty sick one. Originally when they tried to do this in the northern part of the country, it didn't work out very well. There were too many competing interests. You had one group of people who were trafficking kids, but another group who was interested in trafficking women for prostitution. You also had a group who was trying to do good and everything intersected and it was a horrible mess.

They learned their lessons and waited until everything was in place. The church is a non profit and their biggest donor is a shell company which is part of another shell company which is owned by the same A+ list mogul we have seen time and time again in all of these stories. This is where things get a little interesting. Because of the racial makeup in the community, and wanting to make sure everyone blends in, they had to get the tweens and teens from Europe. Specifically they found some orphanages in Eastern Europe. How did they get them all into the country? Well, every church needs religious workers. The church hired twenty "pastors" and got them in as special immigrant religious workers. Each of these "pastors" had between four and six children they brought in with them, and of course their wives, many of whom had their own children too. Of course, none of these pastors or wives really have any kids they brought, but almost overnight, what these people have created is a fully functioning, safe from prying eyes place where these kids are being abused. Apparently, much like their protectors, they want to ensure a never ending supply, by having the teens get pregnant as often as possible.

You might wonder what all of this has in connection to Hollywood. Well, first of all, the financing of course all comes from our A+ list mogul. There is one very important other thing. Have you wondered why every male celebrity over the past couple of years goes to a rehab facility in Arizona, but you never see any photos of the rehab facility or them in the rehab facility? Have you wondered why no female celebrity has ever gone to this facility? Have you ever wondered why the men who go to this facility seemingly always stay longer than a normal 30 day rehab and often seem to go back every few months for followup treatment? Have you ever wondered why all of these male celebrities seem to be the ones with the longest histories of sexual indiscretions? When they don't mention Arizona, they will say an undisclosed location. Well, apparently all these guys like going to the same location and the flow never stops. It is not just celebrities, there has been a surge of high paid executives and others that have suddenly decided this rehab place is the one that they need to go to.

They have figured out a way for them to go to "rehab," and get "better," so the world will forgive them and let them get back to making a lot of money. 

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TMN said...

@Mark
founded just a couple of years ago in northern Arizona.

- Short Creek Fellowship was founded in 2016, Colorado City, AZ

it helps if they can attach themselves to another established church or religion.
built in security from the other very secretive religion in the area throughout the town,
ability to integrate hundreds of children into a community that seemingly has nothing but endless supplies of children.
a community where no one looks down on anyone who has sex with teens and tweens.

- All of these point to the founding of this town as a place to practice polygamy by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
- Short Creek Fellowship was founded in 2016 as a missionary outreach of First Southern Baptist Church of Hurricane, Utah.


Short Creek Family Services is a project of theirs: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk7KDX9OHXqtIIQQsK2FPNA

Excuse any double ups in this info. Blind appears to be describing Short Creek.

Mark said...

@TMN, I don't know what's with all the conspiracy theorists here. I guess I am one, but only insomuch as I'm interested in the blind. Brian Mackert was raised FLDS, dabbled in LDS, and is now a Baptist minister.

Short Creek Fellowship now owns a plane, registered to Heritage Foster Family Family Agency of Vidalia, CA, which is registered to Sherrie Kuns-Mackert (AKA Sherrie Kuns-Fehlman) and her mother (?). The plane's home address is Colorado City, AZ:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=7606V

Funding through shell corporations? I don't know much about this, but maybe start with the publisher of Brian Mackert's book "Illegitimate*" (David C Cook, Colorado Springs, CO), whose CEO, Chris Doornbos, runs a Canadian company with $0 revenue called E3 Metals Corp. (*Reviews for the book noted that Mackert seemed to rue that he was never able to sacrifice his son to his father for pedophilia. How far does the apple fall?):

David C Cook 2014 non profit tax filing - http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2015/366/008/2015-366008100-0cbaf58d-9.pdf (officers listed on P7)

Bloomberg info on David C Cook and Chris Doornbos, who attended school on the other side of my beloved home state -

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/board.asp?privcapId=1029153

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=127573417&privcapId=1029153

E3 Metals Corp - press release and google financial summary -

http://resourceworld.com/index.php/e3-metals-completes-first-petro-lithium-inferred-mineral-resource-1-9-mt-lce-clearwater-property/

https://www.google.com/search?q=CVE:ETMC&tbm=fin&hl=en#scso=uid_WjEnMQABY5oKg-FMrg60cA_5:0&wptab=COMPANY

Gerald Pontificus said...

Centennial park & Colorado City appear to basically be one in the same, or right next to each other. I was just looking at them on google maps satellite view and there appears to be a lot of graphic anomalies and weird huge circles

Gerald Pontificus said...

The blind describes a conspiracy that’s kidnapping, enslaving, and sexually exploiting children. Isn’t the comments section for theorizing on this conspiracy?

TMN said...

The bit about the competing interests (abusing children, prostitution and doing good) made me think of the Children of God / Family International though.

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just sayin' said...

liv's original guess of trinity church, formerly mars hill best fits the description, background-wise.
life after mars hill
its location in scottsdale doesn't fit with the other descriptors, which seem to place it in close proximity to the flds, who have accepted money to provide them with cover, and possibly isolation on an indian reservation. the "church" in the blind isn't the flds, it's new and is piggybacking on the flds for camouflage and cover.
the meadows fits because of the all-male sex addiction campus and it's location is better for the blind, if we're assuming it has to be in northern arizona, but harvey weinstein has been photographed out to dinner in phoenix, which is adjacent to scottsdale. also, the blind says that no one knows the name of the rehab, and that no women go there. everyone knows about the meadows, which treats women, so i'm guessing this rehab has no name we'd be able to find.

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Cadmium77 said...

I don't know if you've noticed it @TMN but this is the hottest conspiracy site on the internet right now.
It may be so hot that it might finally destroy the evil beast that is Hollywood.
I'm hoping it levels Hollywood and sows its soil with salt, with some depleted uranium powder thrown in for good measure.

Maybe dig up a few corpses from Forest Lawn and hammer stakes through their hearts while they're at it.

Mark said...
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John Doe said...

@Mag, Now you're being disrespectful. You don't want to learn anything. You want to argue. If you really wanted to learn you would look beyond the superficial things that you are saying. Just remember one thing: you don't know as much as you think you do.

Mark said...

I have been misspelling a name. It's Cris Doornbos:

https://twitter.com/crisdoornbos?lang=en

Does the plane give them a way to get their rehabilitating celebs to the "big city," to be seen once in a while.

I can't help but think the remote location is Colorado City, AZ - Hildale, UT, known collectively as "Short Creek." The players have experience with pedophilia, prison, foster care, child trafficking, and both FLDS and Christianity in the form of Baptist church. The Kuns family appears to have operated north of LA and in northern CA for 20+ years, before Grace Homes imploded.

I see from Brian Mackert's FB page that he is now trained as a "vibration engineer" -- is that a euphemism? -- and wears a couple hats at Heritage Business Solutions (CA registration lapsed Sept 26. 2017) in Hildale, UT:

https://secure.utah.gov/bes/details.html?entity=9809366-0143


https://www.facebook.com/brian.mackert

"Heritage Business Solutions
Cat II Vibration Analyst · March 2016 to present · Hildale, Utah
Vibration Data Collection & Analysis

Heritage Business Solutions
Vibration Engineer · March 2016 to present · Page, Arizona
Vibration Data Collection & Analysis

Short Creek Family Services
Volunteer · February 25, 2016 to present · Hildale, Utah
Nonprofit religious organization

Short Creek Fellowship
Volunteer Missionary/Pastor · February 22, 2016 to present · Colorado City, Arizona"

Could the "trinity" be Gale, Glenda, and Sherrie Kuns-[insert surname here]?

http://www.hvbaptistchurch.net/page/short_creek_family_services

http://www.hvbaptistchurch.net/page/short_creek_fellowship

http://www.hvbaptistchurch.net/page/ministries


[This is all speculation and I can't tie the ends together. All views expressed are for entertainment purposes only, and do not express my actual opinions. Musings should not be construed as accusations of any criminal activity. ... am I going to need a lawyer?]

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Mark said...

"America's Most Wanted Bed & Breakfast"? (Hildale, UT)

Maybe the town is trying to turn over a new leaf, and the name is a poke at Warren Jeffs. Maybe it's a good place for the most wanted to hide for a while.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g6765433-d7296248-Reviews-America_s_Most_Wanted_Bed_Breakfast-Hildale_Utah.html

http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/news/58215703-78/amp-hildale-dockstader-jeffs.html.csp

http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=4076223&itype=CMSID

It's behind a security fence, next door to a school. You can't make this stuff up!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Americas+Most+Wanted+Bed+and+Breakfast/@37.003668,-112.9687792,225m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x80cb2069ab6b9949:0x4723873c16c04ee4!8m2!3d37.0036681!4d-112.9682319

just sayin' said...

nice work mark! aside from getting to the bottom of this with amazing research you made me laugh with your question about "vibration engineer". i have a relative who is a "light practitioner" in sedona, has a room filled with colored lights for curing every kind of ailment. arizona's a great place for crazies to blend in, lol.

plot said...

@Mike

"starting with the first Iraq war in the 90s"

DUUUUUDE!!! The first invasion of Iraq was under Bush I, not Clinton!!!! Bill had NOTHING to do with it. After that mental break of yours, I didn't bother reading the rest of your posts. You are just so factually challenged there is nothing I can do. Please do research, know what you are talking about before posting garbage, okay?

And for the furtherance of your knowledge base - look up the initial suicide bombing that started the current era of terror in the Middle East. It happened under Reagan at our embassy in Beirut, and Reagan tucked tail and ran outa there only to invade a tiny island in the Caribbean soon thereafter as a distraction to his obvious international failure. Meanwhile, he is secretly dealing arms and money with Iran, our enemies, right? Yeah, REAGAN started this bullshit Middle Eastern policy in which we are still entrenched. Look it up Becky!

Mark said...

A light practitioner. I'm not a Star Wars fan, but it came to mind anyway:

https://fthmb.tqn.com/JiKOsyAXfq58UXSskEA8wdnnW78=/768x0/filters:no_upscale()/star-wars-force-unleashed-2-56a9c38b3df78cf772aa56ae.jpg

plot said...

@Acad who said

"And as much as I hate the amount of defense spending and the military industrial complex which Clinton was a supporter of, a lot of everyday items(GPS, computers, microwaves) that we use are a result of defense research."

That is true. Not everything that comes from our investment in the military is bad. Sometimes, we even do good things militarily, like our contributions in the Balkans in the 90s.

But when presidents treat our military like their toy soldiers to play their games of Risk, and make their friends rich, that kinda should anger people more than a fantasy pedo basement.

@FeistyPanda who said -

"There is also the small hitch that the FLDS is so highly monitored by FBI, NSA, CIA, etc., that I highly doubt all these celebrities would want to go there to have relations with minors. The FLDS have had multiple raids in the past decade and that is way too risky. Plus, they have VERY few over-13 year old boys, since they kick them out so the older men can marry the young girls, so people like Spacey would have no use for them. "

Oh I loooove the way you think! Thanks for contributing that bit of logic.

roxy said...

We were involved with Mark Driscoll's church and he is a dangerous man who has his wife so completely bamaboozled it's not funny.

And he is OBSESSED with sex.

roxy said...

Mark Driscoll is also obsessed with fame.

Stephy said...

You guys will never figure this out because most of you simply want to satisfy your own prejudices by speculating into Pizzagate-like nonsense.

plot said...

One might think that the Pizzagate folks are here to muddy the waters of the conversation on a site that unveiled the horrible behavior of the Hollywood elite a long time ago, before the mainstream media ever picked up on it.

Makes one think.

Mandi Rei Serra said...

The part of the blind ya'll are missing is the part about those girls being trafficked in from Eastern Europe. How'd they do it? Had to be under the radar, because if a bunch of Mormon missionaries came back stateside with brides, well, that'd bring some, but not as many as they need. Plus paperwork that has to be done for legally bringing people over-- they don't want to deal with that.

So they get help. Whose help? Someone with connections. An entity such as government contractor Dyncorp. Fun fact: Dyncorp was busted for trafficking women and children through the Eastern bloc. Rumsfeld was grilled for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2MA5Ha9XmE <-- CSPAN coverage of Rep McKinney ripping Rumsfeld a new one for trafficking.

Someone I've known for years was a Mormon missionary sent to Bulgaria. Said there was a lot of shady things going on, especially around the train tracks in Sophia. The Mormon church, due to their leanings toward secrecy, are heavily recruited by the CIA and their ilk, and this person told me more than once that they worked together in Eastern Europe, and if he had ever made copies of the papers that crossed the mission's president's desk, he'd either be a millionaire or dead.

Added to this, my source had a buddy in LA, Mormon as well. Was in law enforcement, joined the LA Sheriff's Dept only to quit is ASAP and get into sales. Said there's a hazing-- "Worse than what we had to put up with as kids" (made me think child sex abuse as kids, kicked up to sadistic levels with corrupt sheriffs for blackmail; hard for the corrupted LE to control the non-corrupted without blackmail.)

AND if one considers the Church's reaction to the Pace Memorandum, welp, it helps paint a picture. http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Pace_memorandum

Mandi Rei Serra said...

A lot of us "pizzagate crazies" have lurked here long before pizzagate was a thing.

With the new shift toward outing abusers, one can understand why those who've been looking into the matter beyond what the mainstream media/propaganda arm of the gov states, are speaking up and sharing their knowledge.

One could also assume that due to CDAN's blinds catching mainstream eyes, that those seeking to do damage control would hurry over and naysay everything that goes against the current "narrative" (Yeah, as a writer, I laugh when the MSM uses "narrative" in their "news reports." A "narrative" is a storyline. Not truth. Not accurate. Just a story.) because the last thing they want is a massively red pilled populace demanding change.

plot said...

@ Mandi

"A lot of us "pizzagate crazies""

Will never admit your theory is FOS.

"One could also assume that due to CDAN's blinds catching mainstream eyes, that those seeking to do damage control would hurry over and naysay everything"

One could also have witnessed the more successful means of killing a story or do damage control which is to seal real claims to wildly absurd claims to tank both in the same bucket. Works...Every...Time. Things like Pizzagate are constructed to banish the actual cases of abuse from the public eye.

And people like you play along like good puppets.

Mary K. said...

It's a small world indeed.
I actually was an member of the Mars Hill Church for several years, before Mark Driscoll resigned. When I saw his name come up in the comments it was a bit of a shock.
My opinion is that it is not the Trinity Church. To be clear I'm not being bias just because he was my pastor. I had several issues with him and his preaching styles at times. He has a huge ego I'd say, maybe because he's a guy of small stature in real life. He's also the father of five children who he loves very much. That I can attest to. He would not be a part of facilitating anyone abusing children. Not knowingly. No way it's him.

FIesta PAnda brought up the child of God cult somewhere in the comments above. That is a very good guess. I think the LDS/FLDS a theory is good as well, and except they are a lot more obvious. Not much of a shocker there.

Mary K. said...

Dang sorry for the typos. I didn't edit correctly before hitting publish.

Thaddeus Max said...

I didn't realize this Bl turned into Plot's opinion blog.

hopscotch101girl said...

Thanks Mike, for taking the time. Though I suspect you won't make a dent in their denial regarding the full level of the Clinton's crimes.

hopscotch101girl said...

Totally agree, Thaddeus Max. Ugh.

just sayin' said...

love the light practitioners, mark!

glub, glub, glub, i'm drowning in bs. this is not fun.

re the clintons, and i'm really not a clinton apologist, but for the historically-challenged: are you aware that under the clintons our national debt was WIPED OUT? love to hear your theories about what evil they wrought and dastardly gains they got out of that little maneuver.

Mary K. said...

I also was a member of Mars Hill. Not the Seattle branch, but one of the satellite locations. I commented a bit about it below. And yes, he sure did like to talk about sex. Very true. It was always somewhat irritating to me, but I never got the vibe he'd promote sex with children. It was in the content of adults having sex with other adults. Not that anyone would come right out and talk about children in this matter.
I was molested as a child, and usually am really sensitive to predators in hiding. So as far as him being a part of this kind of depravity, I'd have to say no. What do you think ?

Mary K. said...

Yep, he has a pretty huge ego. True that!

just sayin' said...

tmn - it's a combination of events. 2 articles last week, one on the daily beast by mandy stadtmiller which was authorized by enty and 1 in the daily mail, which basically copied mandy, brought a lot of attention and new commenters. also it's very possible that the powers this site is offending are flooding the site with naysayers and obfuscators.

Thaddeus Max said...

I was looking into Gentle Path at the Meadows outside of Wickenburg, Arizona. That seems where the males go for sex addiction. The likes of Weinstein, Spacey, Anthony Weiner, Tiger Woods, Rush Limbaugh. I just didn't hear the more specific 'Gentle Path' brought up in the comments or missed it.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/11/13/as-weinstein-and-spacey-seek-treatment-some-ask-is-sex-addition-a-proven-diagnosis/
Also, Wickenburg area is around 7,000 people or so. Is 18 churches of all denominations excessive for a population that size? That stuck out at me but then I never really went searching for churches before.


R Richard said...

There you go, "what's with all the conspiracy theorists overrunning...." Such effective criticism. (Tongue planted firmly in cheek.)
FBI predominantly Mormon, LDS
CIA predominantly Roman Catholic
Catholic Church predominantly filled with pedophile priests or pedophile-priest apologists who for decades labeled complainants as conspiracy theorists for suggesting the coverup conspiracy of the clergy reached both u.s cardinals and the papacy itself.
U.S. Naval Academy 45% Roman Catholic enrollment at one point.


plot said...

@R Richard

Oh yes just throw everything together in a big heap and that makes us all believe in your delectable conspiracies. Gotta be more particular than that, son.

BTW, it's CIA which started recruiting Mormons in the late 90s. It's the FBI that had a larger Catholic influence, in the past, though I'm sure you will twist your errors to somehow validate Pizzagate or any old thing that excites your mind.

just sayin' said...

btw props to enty and himmmm for fixing the site!

Doug said...

@just sayin': The Clinton administration did not wipe out the national debt. It eliminated the deficit, i.e. the annual borrowing, for a few years. The budget surpluses of those years reduced the total national debt by a small amount. The federal government's accounting methods are not accurate, especially given that they do not include the very large unfunded liabilities. One reason that they were able to run a surplus for a while was that the stock market bubble of the late 1990s, which was followed by a 50% decline, generated unusually large capital-gains tax revenues from investors and traders. All of this said, the Clinton administration did a better job with the budget than had been done since the 1920s, in my view.

Guest said...

To (Lost the) Plot – get over yourself.

Re: “Well, except for all the charity regulators and the IRS” You cite the same entities that allowed the illustrious Second Mile charity to flourish (including agencies from the county and state level, such as the Pennsylvania Department of Human Services)and gave Sandusky the ability to commit his repeated crimes against children for years, so your argument is moot. Oh, and I believe a president lauded the charity's work as well.

There were also whispers in that situation of connections to higher levels of criminality. Coincidentally, a certain ex-governor of PA that gave Second Mile a $3M grant to expand before leaving office also flew 54 orphans out of Haiti.

Re: Haiti –
Those of us in the adoptee rights community were WELL aware that children were being unnecessarily taken out of the country at the time by people who were not adoption-competent. These children were whisked away without checking to see if they had biological family members, a HUGE red flag, and absolutely counter to healthy, adoption-competent practice. A few adoptees tried to speak up at the time, but the voices of the adopted are rarely heard. Therefore, it’s not surprising these incidents like these happened:
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/pastor-federal-court-faces-charges-molesting-girls/113165892
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/wake-county/article10065956.html#storylink=cpy
Both men were from the North Carolina area. And then there is Silsby’s New Life Children’s Refuge, which was clearly not adoption-competent nor familiar with either country’s laws (Haiti or DR) if she and her cohorts were caught without proper paperwork, another huge RED FLAG when choosing an adoption agency.
And let’s not forget 10 of the Bresma orphans, which the US government stated had not been on a list for adoption previously: “The other 10 were not on any previous list of children given to us by BRESMA, nor are they in the database in any way.”

And lastly (Lost the) Plot, a lot of harm has been done to foster/adopted children under the guise of “Holiness” and benevolence (Second Mile, Catholic church - Magadelene laundries, etc.) Maybe you aren’t like that in your personal life, which is great, so it is hard for you to believe, but don’t underestimate the abuse that can occur. It is a major issue in adoption history and to impede it, one must be very vigilant. However, most people do not invest much more than a passing interest when a story of extreme plight makes it into the news. This, coupled with the ability to posture as though one is “helping” or “rescuing” makes it easy to manipulate towards malignant motivations.

Silverbird: Congratulations on leaving the “church”
Pilot – do you have a citation/link for the Harvard Hu. Rights journal article?

plot said...

@Guest

"gave Sandusky"

Nope, not going to work here. If you want to poke for emotional responses, look elsewhere. Equating the Clintons with Sandusky is both ethically and intellectually vapid.

"There were also whispers"

Of course there are. Too bad you can't replicate or source these delicious, mysterious, whispers.

"children were being unnecessarily taken out of the country at the time by people who were not adoption-competent. "

Absolutely, and there was quite a stink locally about this very point. It was hardly hidden after the Haitian earthquake that some churches and religious folks were going down there to grab kids and impress their congregations (and ultimately god I suppose, who knows.) There were many many many articles about this, and many exposes.

"a lot of harm has been done to foster/adopted children under the guise of “Holiness” and benevolence "

I am aware.

Guest said...

@Plot: You seem to have lost the Plot again, and reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits, I see. It is clear that Sandusky's activities continued, even with all of the oversight by mulptiple agencies, as I mentioned. This was in direct response to your argument that agency oversight wouldn't allow such things to happen. Note that the Second Mile CEO knew about the abuse in 2002, but did nothing and no other agency's oversight impeded his abuse in the intervening six years. You seem to have entirely missed the point and somehow mis-characterized my response as some sort of "equating the Clintons with Sandusky," also missing the larger point that this vulnerable community is especially susceptible to abuse by any party when adoptions are not regulated or processed correctly. Those in the adoption speak out no matter what party is in power. Therefore, it transcends partisan politics.

There is no reason for a non adoption-competent, 'religious'
person to be "grabbing" kids (your word) when it is completely COUNTER to healthy, ethical, adoption-competent policy. It just makes adoption ripe for abuse, which you seem to advocate with your complete dismissal of this exact scenario. It is unacceptable and inappropriate for any non-professional, non adoption-competent person to "grab" kids from a third world country, as the two examples of "religious" "charity" abusers that I linked to shows.

The way to impede this abuse is not to allow just anyone to "grab" children after a disaster, no matter what they say their intentions are, but to ensure that the process is even more ethical and above-board than ever. To sever a child's relationship with their original family and culture just to "impress" a congregation is beyond unethical and against most religious principles. That is not child-centered adoption policy.

It seems you are quite unaware of adoption.

Unknown said...

This sounds like the cult started by David Moses Berg. It was once named Children of God and was a fake Christian sect and sex based (even had flyers printed and distrbuted to members with explicit instructions). Female members were sent out as prostitutes to earn money for Jesus. Sex with small children, even by their parents was allowed and encouraged. The leadership had total control over aspect of the existence.
They are now called "The Family International" and have become even more secretive. Very sick twisted cult. They forbid rank and file from reading the bible because they can't interpret it properly.

There is a documentary on them with interviews by former members available on Netflix (when they were still called Children of God). Absolutely evil.

Cail Corishev said...

A conspiracy is two or more people working together secretly to plan, commit, or cover up a crime. This blind and several others would seem to qualify. Since we're all offering theories about them, I'm afraid we're all conspiracy theorists. Except plot, the only sane one here. Everyone else, start shaping your tinfoil.

@Mark, maybe not a lawyer, but maybe a bodyguard, if you're onto something with all those links. Feels like we're getting closer.

I might have said this before, but it seems like you wouldn't want a prominent, famous or infamous pastor at a church that's really a front for something else. Someone like Driscoll is going to draw a lot of visitors. You wouldn't want that, at least not anywhere near the kids. And you don't need a big congregation to make it profitable, because it's being funded by the mogul for other purposes. So I'd think we're looking for the sort of self-contained "church" that doesn't try to invite in people, at least not from the surrounding area. Any new people would just show up from elsewhere. Not really a church in the usual sense, but looking more like the Branch Davidians in Waco.

Cail Corishev said...

@Mandi, yes, that seems like a critical point. A hundred adults and children with no English or Eastern European accents would stand out, surely, if they don't stay behind their walls all the time.

Cail Corishev said...

@Thaddeus Max, I think 18 churches for a town of 7000 sounds about right, at least here in the Midwest, if you count all the small ones tucked away here and there. I like your guess of Gentle Path. That place still seems like the best bet to me, and the other Meadows facilities don't have to be involved in it, just the one that handles the male sex addicts.

Also, I don't think the blind said we haven't heard of the place. It sounds like we have heard of celebs going there, otherwise the line about how we never see women going there makes no sense. It just says they don't always say that's where they're going, maybe because people would start to wonder at the frequency.

That's not in the northern part of the state, but it doesn't have to be next door to the church. A couple hours' drive would give them some distance from the city and anyone hanging around the rehab place hoping to spot some stars.

The Mrs. said...

Indeed there is a lot more. Love to see someone else paying attention.

The Mrs. said...

I'm sure it's been found out by now as well. Trump has been cleaning house regarding pedo rings and trafficking. TONS of arrests already. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There will be no deals made or accepted with pedophiles and this DOJ. Finally, after almost 20 years I am starting to feel justice coming.

The Mrs. said...

They are no longer getting away with it. Heads are gonna roll.

Schneiderisnext said...

WE FOUND IT. COLORADO CITY Airport used for human/drug trafficking

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0606/S00059.htm

"The AZ Polygamy Town Airport Built With Fed $$$Mns"

LADELL BISTLINE manages COLORADO CITY AIRPORT.

http://texaspolygamy.blogspot.com/2006/08/ladell-bistline.html?m=1

Old church: FLDS

New Church: "the 2nd ward"

Schneiderisnext said...

In many cases, marriage is seen as a way to quell teenage rebellion. If a teenage girl is seen so much as talking to a boy, her father is likely to ask the Prophet to find her a husband.

"If she's good-looking, the Prophet might marry her [himself]," says local historian Ben Bistline.

By turning in his daughter for marriage, the father not only takes care of the problem teen, he gains favor with the Prophet, increasing his chances for future wives.

Naturally, fathers in town marry each other's daughters. The Prophet is the broker in these swaps. "They are chattel," Bistline says of the girls.

Frequently, the girls are shipped out of town, to a sister FLDS town in CRESTON, BRITISH COLUMBIA In turn, that town ships girls to the Colorado City area.

GET THAT??? This is the place UP NORTH that didn't work out

designace001 said...

Mark, I think you're onto something, not sure what fits here yet. I don't know if you saw this. "At the ministry’s height they had 11 homes with 85 beds, a foster center, and a boys’ home. In 2014, the state paid them $3.2 million in compensation for taking care of the emotionally high-risk pregnant girls. Grace ministries was the only place in the state that was licensed and had the ability to deal with the emotional needs of sex-trafficked pregnant girls and other victims of sexual abuse." the comments here are interesting, definitely point to profiting off of their demographic clientele.
https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2016/01/05/former-long-time-grace-homes-employee-sues-the-ministry/


Then there is this one below. So many villainous choices converging in the desert. Faith Christian aka Cornerstone, who has many churches including in Tampa and an active missionary outreach, for consideration.

"Tucson church some call a cult is laying low. April 2016. Faith Christian’s assets have swelled from $200,000 in the mid-1990s to more than $5 million this year, state and county records show. That includes a ranch as well as two cabins on Mount Lemmon that were rebuilt in 2013 at a cost of $1.38 million, the church’s 2013 financial statement shows."
http://tucson.com/news/tucson-church-some-call-a-cult-is-laying-low/article_5011ffe1-bba7-5647-b0a2-b1b6dec83d48.html

coincidentally in Mesa, "Serious Allegations: Did the Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America Cover Up Tom Chantry’s Alleged Molestation of Children?"
http://thewartburgwatch.com/2016/12/28/serious-allegations-did-the-association-of-reformed-baptist-churches-of-america-cover-up-tom-chantrys-alleged-molestation-of-children/

This woman make's an excellent observation and asks great questions here that show how easily we can all be led to silence.
"As I spoke with these pastors who left ARBCA, at least three of them who were “in the know” said that they had seen evil at work in all this. AND YET THEY WOULD NEVER SAY SO PUBLICLY. At all of their meetings, in all their larger circle discussions of the matter, they would call this whole thing “a sad disagreement among Christian brothers."
https://cryingoutforjustice.com/2016/12/14/evil-is-using-unconditional-loverespectobedience-to-hide-itself-among-us/

Cornerstone's Bill Cooper , who is he with a yacht?

Schneiderisnext said...

The Place "Up North that didnt work out"

Bountiful, B.C. (Creston)

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/future-of-polygamous-sect-bountiful-bc-unclear-after-criminal-conviction/article33995313/


"Brandon James Blackmore and his former wife, Emily Ruth Gail Blackmore, were convicted in B.C. Supreme Court of removing a child from Canada for a sexual purpose. Their trial heard the 13-year-old girl was taken from Bountiful to the United States in 2004 to marry Mr. Jeffs, who was in his late 40s at the time and had taken over as FLDS prophet after his father's death.

The B.C. trial marked the first time anyone had been prosecuted for the offence in Canada, despite long-running concerns about child brides in Bountiful. The Blackmores will be sentenced in April – the same month two men who have served as community leaders go on trial for practising polygamy."

plot said...

@Guest says

"It is clear that Sandusky's activities continued, even with all of the oversight by mulptiple agencies"

No, it's not clear until you can name those agencies and tell us about their oversight.

"no other agency's oversight impeded his abuse"

What agency should have?

"this vulnerable community is especially susceptible to abuse by any party"

So it is your belief that political parties abuse children.

"
There is no reason for a non adoption-competent, 'religious'
person to be "grabbing" kids (your word) when it is completely COUNTER to healthy, ethical, adoption-competent policy."

No argument there.

plot said...

@The Mrs

"Trump has been cleaning house regarding pedo rings and trafficking."

Name one time he has done so.

RedDawnHollywood said...

Colorado City area maybe

designace001 said...


Another of the FCC offshoots banned on Colorado Campus
"Parents of members in both churches told the CU Independent that their children are experiencing financial coercion through church membership. Their complaints mirror experiences ex-members of Faith Christian Church voiced to the Arizona Daily Star in 2015. Based in the 1970s in Florida, the umbrella group Maranatha Christian Ministries, from which the Faith Christian Church developed, primarily sought out college students but was criticized by former members for its authoritarian leadership structure and causing members to distance themselves from their parents.

Coletta said he learned the pastors “cycle” girls into the basement living arrangement to disciple them. He explained that discipling consists of lecturing girls, requiring them to do house chores and charging them rent."

https://cuindependent.com/2017/04/17/parent-current-resurrection-church-member-speak-accusing-church-abuse-financial-manipulation-grace-faith-christian/

https://www.facebook.com/Former-Members-of-Cornerstone-Christian-Church-Tampa-114437188659863/

designace001 said...

Plot, there have been thousands of arrests, let's hope the cream rises to the top.

Google "Federal trafficing arrests" there's a shitload of them.

1. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-human-trafficking-sweep-arrests-20170202-story.html

more
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/18/bay-area-pimps-arrested-in-underage-human-trafficking-sting/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trafficking-arrests/nearly-500-arrested-in-california-human-trafficking-raids-idUSKBN15G5J6

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/09/22/compton-raid-36-arrests/

DOJ Prosecutions trafficking 2017
https://www.justice.gov/humantrafficking/press-room

Schneiderisnext said...

Short Creek Dream Center is the sex trafficking destination.COLORADO CITY

http://www.phxdreamcenter.org/shortcreek

PHOENIX DREAM Center is 15 MONTH male rehab location

https://www.phxdreamcenter.org/christiandiscipleship

The Church is DREAM CITY CHURCH


PHOENIX DREAM CENTER ->CITY HELP INC OF PORTLAND->KINGDOM HOLDINGS LLC->ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH IN PHOENIX ?(SERIES OF SHELL COMPANIES OBFUSCATE DONORS)

designace001 said...

One last one for Plot, "Hillary Clinton Intervened Politically on Behalf of Laura Silsby, Laura Silsby is the former director of The New Life Children’s Refuge. Emails from her organization can be found in Wikileaks’ Hillary Clinton Email Archive discussing the NGO before her arrest. Silsby’s organization also appears in Clinton’s emails, soliciting donations for their “ministry.” The Refuge was founded by Silsby and Charisa Coulter, both attendees of the Central Valley Baptist Church in Meridian, Idaho"

wikileaks's Silsbury to HRC prior to the kidnapping

Itinerary
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3776

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3741

"On January 29, 2010, Silsby was arrested with nine other American nationals attempting to steal 33 children from the country, most of whom were not even orphans and had families according to some reports. CNN reported on February 9, 2010 that this was not the first time Silsby had attempted to traffic children out of Haiti. Haitian police acting on a tip had intercepted Silsby in an earlier, separate attempt to remove 40 children out of the country. She was turned back at the Haitian border. For a brief period, Haitian authorities were considering adding a new kidnapping charge based on this evidence.

Hillary and Bill Clinton took an extraordinary interest in Silsby’s case from the moment she was arrested and almost immediately stepped in on her behalf. The Harvard Human Rights Journal stated that one of Bill Clinton's first acts as special envoy for the United Nations in Haiti "was to put out the fire of a child abduction scandal involving American citizens." On February 7th, 2010, The Sunday Times reported that Bill Clinton had intervened to strike a deal with the Haitian government, securing the release of all co-conspirators except for Silsby. Prosecutors ultimately sought a six-month sentence in Silsby's case, reducing charges for conspiracy and child abduction to mere "arranging irregular travel." A shockingly light penalty given the circumstances of her arrest, which would likely not have been possible but for the intervention of the Clintons in Silsby's case.

On February 9th, 2010 Hillary Clinton consulted with Counselor Cheryl Mills and other attorneys in an email discussing the U.S. Government's "options" regarding the arrested Americans. The heavily redacted memo attached to that email does not reveal what these "options" consisted of. However, the State Department's American Citizens Services is only authorized to offer lists of local, English speaking attorneys to Americans arrested or detained abroad. To go beyond that authorization is a severe violation of protocol and is illegal. Additional emails reveal that the State Department was involved with making statements on the Silsby scandal and preparing to assist Silsby's co-conspirators with their return to the United States, although this is consistent with State Department protocol in these situations."

all the links are embedded in the article providing the veracity of this report.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/clinton-silsby-trafficking-scandal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it


Remeber this little coverup as well? Allegations of prostitution and pedophilia, and allegations that those crimes were somehow covered up or not looked into. So the State Department this morning is having to respond to those claims, and those investigations involve misconduct by State Department officials, including an Ambassador and security agents attached to then secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.

The allegations are that these investigations were whitewashed, quashed altogether, and that those orders came from high up.

https://youtu.be/hubT6i30WDE

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Schneiderisnext said...

https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,26184,26780

DREAM CITY is the church.

Commenters describe in 2006 young girls being recruited to a church in the Colorado mountains

designace001 said...

@Schneiderisnext Kingdom Holdings LLC, oh my. Do you know who that is? and some of you think that they haven't taken anybody out yet.

You just won the silver pickle platter!! Five stars!

Schneiderisnext said...

Different KINGDOM HOLDINGS, it's a Legacy of the Kingdom HOLDINGS, so I don't think this leads to the Saudis necessarily

just sayin' said...

the mrs.: is that you aj benza?

this story is the very definition of "fake news". what's the one thing everyone can agree on? we hate sex predators! what's the hottest kind of story in the news or on gossip sites? sex predator stories! what's the chance that if donald trump had been running a massive, nationwide program of arresting sex predators that he'd never have tweeted one word about it?

just sayin' said...

schneiderisnext: thank you!

designace001 said...

@scheiderisnext, if you have other LLC documentation for a different company please provide links.

Please could you explain this in the context of what you are saying
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Kingdom-Holdings-LLC-436503299729472/posts/?ref=page_internal

Note the "about" and "company" on that page have broken links
see below

https://web.archive.org/web/20110809131742/http://kingdomholdings.org/

R Richard said...

@plot
Maybe the CIA really did coin the term 'conspiracy theory' to be used as slur, slander and insult.
I'm simply curious how such a good and pious teetotaling people have so many "unexcommunicated" members engaged in boozing and pedophilia, closeted as it were. It's like cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy are each one of their Ten Commandments.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/27/the-deep-state-now-and-then/

designace001 said...

@just sayin' the Department of Justice is quite obviously stepped up it's game and is indeed, if you'd care to see the links I provided to numerous articles and the DOJ itself above, doing exactly that. What you and some others here fail to comprehend is that trafficking on this scale goes way beyond Hollywood and is International in it's scope. It is a multi Billion dollar criminal industry that affects 20.9 million people around the world. 26% of them are children.

Where do you actually think these numbers are procured? Other's here have correctly reported that war torn and destablized countries, such as Haiti are prime traffiicking areas and the statistics bear that out.

Despite what you may believe this is not confined to the film industry but is a concerted effort by many including all intersections of influence including governments, international aid organizations and financial institutions. Why would you continue to believe that they are NOT connected is a bigger question you may ask yourself. Who has the ability and the funds to actually pull something of this scope off? To subvert International Law and to cross borders at will, who would be the likely suspects in such a successful program generating this type of revenue?

Who benefits in the demographic of Influence above? If you are compromised are you not also beholden? Would having beholden employees (so to speak) benefit a larger purpose? Have you ever considered that your level of compromise may also equate to your level of success? Have you ever considered that perhaps the game is rigged and controlled by a very few? Have you noticed how many Senator's have chosen not to seek election? Do you think there may be a correlation?

Perhaps actions speak louder than words here and taking down long standing ratlines are graphically exposing those who for decades have subverted every ounce of decorum and humanity in their quest for compromise and power. Tweets are perhaps unecessary for those who have eyes to see. The perpetrators undoubtedly are aware.

I appreciate your reality bias, it takes a lot to deal with the initial cognitive dissonance this information creates. It dos not mean it is incorrect.

https://polarisproject.org/human-trafficking/facts

just sayin' said...

designace: i don't recall saying pedophilia rings are exclusive to hollywood, quite the opposite actually, not sure what my "reality bias" is, i think we agree on a lot.

plot said...

@designace001

Nothing you have posted proves that these arrests have suddenly increased nor that Trump is behind any of it. That is YOUR CONFIRMATION BIAS, no one else's.

Increased trafficking arrests is likely tied to increased instability worldwide and has zilch to do with Donny Moscow.

Speaking of which, gosh, which country is it that benefits tremendously from nearly open human trafficking??? Lemme think...it starts with an "R"....ends in an "A"...it's on the tip of my tongue...

Oh well, the Lying Sack of Shit Assange is now your proof of all Clinton malfeasance. I simply can't take you seriously. Wikileaks has been thoroughly compromised and edits its information based on the needs of that other country and it's dictator Vlad, dear, has been for 7 years now. Too bad for those who think it's some lonely beacon of truth in the wilderness. Might as well join a religion to fulfil that need.

Katie said...

@guest777 Actually, yes. Look up someone named Laura Silsby. She was arrested in Haiti for child trafficking. Hillary's team worked their tails off to free her.

Sandy 2319 said...

Thank you John Doe for your posts. I wouldn't bother with the sheep they are too brainwashed and delusional to see what is right in front of their face. Keep putting the information out.

plot said...

@Sandy 2319

It's not wrong to ask for real proof especially when a serious accusation is leveled. It doesn't matter if it's against a nobody like you or I or the Clintons; makes no difference. What's mostly said or written over the gaps of logic and sense is that "The Clintons made it disappear" or "The Clintons called their rich friends". I'm sorry but for the 25 years of endless accusations of the Clintons, they simply do not have the money or influence or power to do that.

I don't like them at all, but the constant harangue against them, connecting them to everything that might be wrong in the world, beggars belief.

just sayin' said...

+1 plot. the clintons are modern-day boogeymen. i'm surprised they're not accused of being shape-shifters.

Mark Rannick said...

I found this site a few months ago by chance and can't really remember how I landed here but I search about the subject of abuse since I'm an adult who was abused sexually as a child. I believe out of my own experiences and those of others I know that much what I read wouldn't surprise me. I don't really come here for the celebrity stuff but more for the hope that I see perhaps some window of justice might be in play for those trapped into abuse and sex slavery.
So reading all this... I started thinking about John Edwards, the former United States Senator from North Carolina presidential candidate who cheated on wife who had cancer. When all that was blowing up in his face I remember him trying to repair his image by trying to look like a humanitarian. Just after confessing that he'd fathered a child with his former mistress and campaign staffer Rielle Hunter he was of to Haiti. Was Edwards flying down to Haiti to assist with relief efforts or was it something else? Might not be anything else but trying to repair his image but considering his character I thought I'd add to the pile of crap we have here.
Jerry Sandusky was running a child sex ring through his charity the 2nd Mile for rich/politically connected people. This event flooded me emotions with what happened to me that I needed therapy and time off work to get myself in check. I wondered if the Republican Gov. at the time covered for Sandusky. I'm not into identity politics and the blinders of "right" and "left" from the eyes of the partisans kind of piss me off. I could care less if Hillary and Trump both got shot into the sun over this if somehow it is a big tent conspiracy. I'm sure everyone here has heartache reading about all this abuse and even death.

just sayin' said...

+1 mark rannick. people are sick of it all. enty allows us an illusion of "helping" to uncover pedophiles. he's the one doing it, we get to feel like we're making a difference while having fun being "detectives" at the same time. takes a certain type, but we've found a home here for sure. it's special. hence the refusal to care about outing himmmm or enty. if that mystery is ever solved it would likely mean the end of the site. not worth it.

ToneBone said...

+1 just sayin' :

I'm cool just thinkin' this is RDJ place.

just sayin' said...

me too, tonebone.

plot said...

@Mark Rannick

"Jerry Sandusky was running a child sex ring through his charity the 2nd Mile for rich/politically connected people."

I didn't hear or read about this aspect of 2nd Mile. Do you have any sources?

Guest said...

@(Lost the) Plot-
Again, reading comprehension can be your friend.

1) You say name agencies: I did in my first reply.
2) It is common knowledge that foster and adoption agencies maintain oversight over placements
3)re:" 'this vulnerable community is especially susceptible to abuse by any party' ...So it is your belief that political parties abuse children."

I didn't realize that you only knew of one definition for the word "party." I was using it in a legal sense, since children are parties in adoption and foster care (since they are legal events)and as a general word for a "side," as defined by Webster: "a person or group taking one side of a question, dispute, or contest." Therefore, I used it in regard to anyone who might abuse them, whether it is an adoptive parent, foster care provider, coach, charity volunteer, county children’s service worker, etc.
The fact that you immediately jumped to that definition shows you can also exhibit bias, something you frequently accuse others of in the comments.

If we look at the quote in its CONTEXT within the entire comment, it is clear that I did not demonstrate bias regarding a political binary, since I was quite clear in my statement: "Those in the adoption [community] speak out no matter what party is in power. Therefore, it TRANSCENDS partisan politics." Would you also like the definition of transcend?

Again, reading comprehension can be your friend and help to eliminate confusion. You continue to mis-characterize my statements as though I have a political motivation instead of the focus remaining steadfastly on the children's welfare.
In this way, your comment is a classic straw man fallacy: “So it is your belief that political parties abuse children.” Again, I in no way stated that in any reply. Your errors in logic wouldn't hold up in a high school debate.

@Mark Rannick: I am so very sorry for your experience and I cannot imagine how difficult this topic must be, especially when it is the focus of so much discussion lately. Thank you for your comments.

krk67 said...

Wow. CDaN comments are filled with disinformation from 4chan/pol, 8ch/CBTS, 8ch/TheStorm.

Please keep your Q larping fantasy to yourself, poltards.

That disinformation has only one purpose: attempt to distract from the Mueller investigation.

The reality is that Trump owed a LOT of money to the Russian mafia (aka oligarchs) and Trump will likely be outed as a human trafficker (we all know about Trump Models and the lawsuit where Katie Johnson said she was raped at Jeffrey Epstein's place by Trump), so it will come out soon enough.

Rumor is that there is video of Trump raping minors*. Ugh.

Through the Mueller investigationI expect a lot of pedophiles will be exposed, as well as a lot of politicos who work for Russia (Devin Nunes anyone?), and I know we will all be happy about that regardless of party affiliation.

Re: the mogul, all I know is that I CANNOT wait for whomever it is to finally get. busted.
It's about friggin' time.

*This has been stated by some twitter folks who knew when all the players indicted so far were going into court... in advance of court dates. See: 20Committee, Counterchekist, and EricGarland for more.

P.S. Apologies to those who don't want to see politics in these threads, but I can't let the disinformation slide. It's a known Russian tactic used to confuse us called dezinformatsiya, aka "deza". Not cool.

plot said...

@Guest

"I was using it in a legal sense"

In a discussion that is pointedly about political entities, it helps to be clear doesn't it.

"Again, reading comprehension can be your friend and help to eliminate confusion. "

So can writing clearly in context.

Guest said...

@Lost the Plot -
1) Again, reading comprehension can be your friend. My discussion has always been child-focused and never about "political entities," whatever that vague phrase is supposed to mean. Again, you attempt to mis-characterize my statements.
2) It's clear that my writing is easy to comprehend. It just seems to be too difficult for YOU, since you are continually pushing a political agenda that serves your interests in some way. It is a shame that you cannot imagine a world that transcends binary political systems and must resort to insults and mis-characterizations regarding others who do not think as you do.

plot said...

@Guest

"It's clear that my writing is easy to comprehend"

To yourself perhaps but anticipating the reaction and confusion of others to your writing doesn't look like your strong suit.

Schneiderisnext said...

David Geffen is the mogul

DREAM CITY CHURCH in AZ/LA is the church.

DREAM Records is a partnership between universal music group (Geffen records) and Dream CITY CHURCH. Multiple "Christian" artists have been "discovered" through Dream CITY CHURCH worship and theater productions

http://oklahomarock.com/petree-releases-debut-full-length-today/

http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/news/2009/08/11.PRESS%20PLAY%20TOPS%20MULTIPLE%20CHARTS.asp

The rehab(s) are called "Dream Centers"

SHORT CREEK DREAM CENTER is a 88 bed all girls sex trafficking "rehab" built in Hilldale Utah from Warren Jeff's (FLDS) former compound (FLDS owns Colorado City and Hildale)

FLDS is the other church

New England Dream Center in Worcestire MA is the attempt that failed up north.

https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,27409,27439

"My colleagues, who are teachers in a local public school at the city of Worcester MA, mentioned a 'community outreach' outfit with ties to the Cesar Castellanos G12 movement. I have heard some disturbing details about troubled teens falling into this group's clutches, via the NE Dream Center"

&

"I have heard, firsthand, a report from a young teen who was a member. One of the immediate induction steps has to do with a purging ritual where one removes all clothing, somehow vomitting is induced (not sure how/what means involved here). Next steps involve cutting off relations with family members first, then friends."

George Cladis (founded/ran the New England Dream center)

http://independent.academia.edu/GeorgeCladis/CurriculumVitae

"Member of a small team of pastors who met twice with Jeffrey Katzenberg, co-founder of DreamWorks Studio with Steven Spielberg and David Geffen– part content consulting on the film Prince of Egypt and part learning experience about DreamWorks’ unique organization and film philosophy; DreamWorks Studio, Universal City, CA. March 8, 1997 & February 3, 1998."

We need to keep digging. Geffen has a few 501c3s. We are so close.

just sayin' said...
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just sayin' said...

i hope i'm onto the right organization. the Southern Arizona ​DREAM CENTER's mission is
"Healing for those affected by chemical addiction & human trafficking in Tucson and all surrounding areas".
they have branches all over the country, including one in new orleans, btw.
check out these disturbing images:
top left of page "d for dream city church" logo
photo of children on utah dream center website

just sayin' said...

see "d" logo in top left of page
in case the html doesn't work:
http://dreamcitychurch.us/about-us/meet-our-pastors
and
children with popsicles on the utah dream center website
http://www.utahdreamcenter.org/About_Us.html

just sayin' said...

see "d" logo in top left of page
in case the html doesn't work:
http://dreamcitychurch.us/about-us/meet-our-pastors
and
children with popsicles on the utah dream center website
http://www.utahdreamcenter.org/About_Us.html

just sayin' said...

no one cares about this blind anymore? this is probably the most important thing we could be working on.

ok, the dream city church in arizona is indeed part of the greater "dream center foundation", which is a HUGE network: based in los angeles, this is the home page for the network: https://dreamcenter.org/

a family called the barnetts run it: pastor matthew barnett founded and runs the "dream center" in l.a. his father pastor tommy barnett founded the whole thing. pastor luke barnett runs the "dream city church' in phoenix.

just sayin' said...

here's the list of all the branches:
dream center network members

i found an archive of this page from a year ago and there was only one branch in arizona, so that fits with this blind. the "southern arizona dream center" is the newer branch.

i find the motto "healing for those affected by chemical addiction & human trafficking" to be alarming -- sort of an odd 2 issues to specifically be targeting, together, no?

just sayin' said...

there are 56 branches. that's a big honking "church". includes branches in washington d.c. and new orleans. will research. no one else in besides schneiderisnext, or is your work done here now? if so, thank you. people are probably just busy with christmas and family and we'll be able to pick up the thread next week.

asb said...

agreed

asb said...

interesting that there was the blind re nola mansion & blkmail....

just sayin' said...

hi asb!

i'm about done for tonight but am going to work on this tomorrow. i'm disturbed by the connection to "dreamworks" and will dig more into the christian records/geffen records aspect. sad to be looking at such ugliness disguised as a "church" on christmas weekend.

anyway, have a merry christmas!

just sayin' said...

ok...guess the address of the new orleans dream center? 1137 st. charles

asb said...

all coming full circle...
enjoy!

Schneiderisnext said...

Yep. They claim to have 160 locations around the world.

Multiple other locations have had child predators as pastors/associated with the rehab centers

Iowa:

http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/2306443.html#Comments


Phoenix:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/brian-wallace-child-molestation-suspect-had-pictures-of-victims-developed-cops-say-6642895

Schneiderisnext said...

Just busy with holidays/fam. I'm not done with this until enty confirms.

Thanks for keeping this thread alive.

Wishing everyone peace, love, and understanding as we shine light on this darkness.

just sayin' said...

same to you, schneiderisnext. and to all cdaners. we've been through quite a year together. have a peaceful weekend and christmas.

Schneiderisnext said...

http://www.phxdreamcenter.org/Mobile/shortcreek

This is the Short Creek location

On the border of Colorado City and Hildals Utah

Run by the 65th wife of Warren Jeffs

"We have the ability to provide residential life recovery care to 88 young women"

Schneiderisnext said...

https://books.google.com/books?id=sj7dgX_MPBsC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq="the+dream+center+cult"&source=bl&ots=on3rqInPnb&sig=9Mf1Rsy2IRsYhYJaAwldOUKl6Bw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB7bn8wZvYAhVK5WMKHUS6A54Q6AEIJDAA#v=onepage&q=%22the%20dream%20center%20cult%22&f=false

A rambling account from a homeless person that depicts the LA dream center as a cult that exploits and abuses the most underprivileged

Tons of names mentioned that are worth digging through and looking up

Schneiderisnext said...

Fascinating. The Short Creek Dream center isn't listed (neither in AZ or Utah)

I wonder why? It's their biggest residential rehab...

Schneiderisnext said...

Https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/tea-on-bryan-singer-and-leonardo-dicaprio.1289034/#post-32970175

Allegations of shady/illegal sexual targeting @ Geffen Aids/HIV center

Could his aids non-profit be part of the shell games?

Schneiderisnext said...

"Velvet Mafia strikes again. There used to be rumors around LA back in the day that Kiyanu was David GePhens main toy but I never believed it, maybe cus I didn't want to.

But GePhens parties were notorious back in the day and the scary control of the Velvet Mafia made a lot of people in Lala shake in their boots. And this was in the 90's in the height of AIDS. He was funding huge HIV/AIDS projects in Lala all the while having insane orgies with industry boys in his homes. My friend who ran the GePhen HIV/AIDS Service Center in Hollywood witnessed a lot of madness and quit eventually cus it scared him. Bryan Sin6er has nothing on GePhen."

Schneiderisnext said...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2007/8/27/376954/-

Phoenix Dream Center "restored" Disgraced megachurch pastor Ted Haggard after he got caught with meth and male hookers.

During his stay, they renovated a 3 bedroom apt, and he lived on the premises. He supposedly was "ministering" during his "restitution"

He asked for donations to support his stay. The charity he directed the donations to was expired and run by a convicted pedophile.

Haggard was deemed healed after a year by the Barnetts. Since then he settled a case where he allegedly masturbated in front of a 22 year old in his congregation. He refuses to admit whether or not He's had other dalliances.

Schneiderisnext said...

https://setfree777.org

What the Barnetts don't want you to know about the Dream Center?

It was co-founded by Phil Aguilar, 2-time convicted child abuser. He set up "set free" ministries which ran a Network of "Christian" rehab houses and ranches. He helped found the LA Dream Center in partnership with the Barnetts in the early 90's as the streetwise "chief elder"

His son (Geronimo Aguilar) moved to Richmond in 2001 to found the Richmond Outreach Center. In 2015 he was convicted on 2 counts of child molestation (11 and 13 year old sisters). This occurred in fort worth tx, and was knowingly covered up by Phil.

Allegations of abuse, molestation, drug use, fraud, money laundering, and slave labor.

https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,11902,page=15

Schneiderisnext said...

LiLo our fave yachter, and her ex manager Lou Taylor (also manages Britney spears) is a supporter of Dream CITY La

first_photos_lindsay_lohan_sports_a_new_scra

Schneiderisnext said...

http://www.x17online.com/2010/09/first_photos_lindsay_lohan_sports_a_new_scra

Schneiderisnext said...

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.fan.gene-scott/5uN50MArfoc

"Aguilar and TBN themselves were sued in February 1992 by the parents of an 18-year-old man who alleged that Mario Ruiz, a Set Free overseer appointed by Aguilar, made their son perform sex acts in exchange for crack cocaine while they were living on TBN-owned property in Coleyville, Texas (which is also the site of the Crouch's country estate). That suit accused Set free and TBN of fraud,
negligence and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

At the time Crouch declared TBN's innocence, called it extortion and
announced that the plaintiffs would not receive a dime. But in fact,TBN's attorneys reached a secret out-of-court settlement with the plaintiffs. While the Christian Sentinel has learned that the amount paid out by TBN was a half million dollars"

TBN's attorney Norman Juggert, has written intimidating letters on Set Free's behalf to various ex-members. In 1991 Juggert's office threatened the parents of Geronimo Aguilar's wife, Stacee, with legal action if they attempted to contact their daughter ever again.(Geronimo is the son of Phil Aguilar.)

"Do not contact her," Juggert's July 10 letter read, "or her husband or children...or attempt[ing] to observe them personally." Stacee later verified that it was Phil Aguilar who had forbidden her from seeing her own parents or allowing them to visit their two grandchildren because they were outspoken about Set Free.
Interestingly, after she divorced Aguilar's son after she said she
caught him in the act of adultery with a minor, she renamed her
children who had been given unusual names at the time of their births
by their controlling grandfather, "Pastor Phil."

Schneiderisnext said...

Continued...

Aguilar made no mention of filing a lawsuit and gave the impression that he was at peace with all his enemies and was excited about a proposed JOINT MINISTRY effort involving TBN regular TOMMY BARNETT of PHOENIX,
something requiring the ability to function on a day to day basis.

Schneiderisnext said...

Continued...

Aguilar made no mention of filing a lawsuit and gave the impression that he was at peace with all his enemies and was excited about a proposed JOINT MINISTRY effort involving TBN regular TOMMY BARNETT of PHOENIX,
something requiring the ability to function on a day to day basis.

asb said...

wow

YummyBoogers said...

Ok first of all, Plot is a major douche-canoe and his blind defense of the Clintons is reprehensible. Plot, your saviors Bill and Hillary have quite a bit in common with President Cheeto, so you might want to reconsider your position. Sexual misconduct, rape, pedophelia, corruption, bullying and intimidation practices, abuse of power, lies, deflection, overt white privilege.....the list goes on. Yes... Billy, Hilly and Don-don are three peas in one sickly twisted pod. So....please read, Good Sir Plot: that "high horse" you fancy yourself as sitting atop in your imagination is ACTUALLY a disabled three-legged donkey in reality. I'm very sorry to bear this bad news.

To Schneider, thank you for your diligent research piecing this puzzle together. I'm having difficulty lifting my jaw from the ground. Joyce Meyer is in on this sh*t. Seriously, to hell with mega churches. I knew there something sinister with JM Ministries. We have a chapter here in town. Talk about a bunch of brainwashed zombies. Reminds me of Scios...

Schneiderisnext said...

http://milkcartonpopstars.blogspot.com/2007/06/pc-quest.html?m=1

Stephen Petree and his brother Greg originally signed to Geffen records as child singers in the band "PC Quest". They had brief success and were featured in teen idol magazines in the 90s

Today he is a christian artist on "Dream Records" an imprint of Universal/Geffen partnered with Dream CITY Church

Greg Petree is the lead singer of Shiny Toy Guns (signed to Universal Records...also geffen)

Nawlins Jim said...

@Scheniderisnext and @justsayin Great find on the address of the dream center in New Orleans. Anyone who’s interested can google the history of the building and think about a previous blind..

Schneiderisnext said...

https://m.bestofneworleans.com/gambit/blake-pontchartrain-whats-up-with-the-masonic-building/Content?oid=2756161

Welp...the shriners. (The dirtiest of the masons) they operated out of this building until 1995.

plot said...

Interesting conversation from 10+ years ago on The Dream Center -

https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,26184,26780

Schneiderisnext said...

The jerusalem(shriners) temple from 1918 til 1995 @1137

There is A HOUSE in NEW ORLEANS
Bright shining as the sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God, I know I'm one

just sayin' said...

st. charles house of horrors

Meimou said...

Sounds like a good pastor.

Meimou said...

@plot & @just sayin’ – Time and time again I am reminded that trying to reason with a true believer (be it any god, flat earth, creationism, vaccines causing autism, or the Illuminati’s children sacrifices) is pointless most times. Thank you for your effort, nonetheless.

Time and time again I am reminded how pointless it is to reason with a true believer(lone gunman, all vaccines are safe, twin towers destroyed by a fire) is pointless most times.

Don't make the effort next time pseudo-skeptic, no one here believes in your intellectual or rational superiority.

Nawlins Jim said...

Interestingly the Shriners temple in NO was only renovated to become the “Dream Center” in 2015 it looks like, right around the time it looks like of incidents mentioned in the link above....

plot said...

Meimou sez-

"Time and time again I am reminded how pointless it is to reason with a true believer(lone gunman, all vaccines are safe, twin towers destroyed by a fire) is pointless most times"

Do you not think it's insulting and counterproductive to your alleged search for Truth to lump everyone who disagrees with you into one group like that? Do you not think that perhaps there are those who believe that vaccines are necessary while doubting the official version of the Twin Towers (especially WTC 7?)

It's a very lonely corner you've backed yourself into if you demand that everyone agree with every one of your conspiracy theories in order to maintain a discussion.

plot said...

The Dream Center of LA has now bought up all the defunct campuses of the for-profit Art Institute chain in California -

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-art-institute-20170303-story.html

just sayin' said...

i saw that plot, about the art institutes. i wonder if they plan to convert them to church or rehab use, or if they want to go into the education business. there's access to lots and lots of government money in private schools. private schools for young people would also mean access to voucher money...either way it gives cover for human trafficking.

plot said...

The buildings themselves are cheap and flimsy except for two, one in San Francisco and the other in LA. No doubt, the whole business was bought cheaply.

The campuses are now labeled Argosy University and "Non-Profit" is slathered all over their websites. They are offering PhDs (snort!) in "Pastoral Community Counseling" which I just called to ask about and who it's accredited through. No one is answering and the mailboxes don't accept messages. Interesting.

Since the for-profit college is dying, it would make sense that The Dream Center would jump for Betsy DeVos's voucher mania as you suggest. Good thought!

Nawlins Jim said...

Really interesting find on the art institutes purchase -the deal is reported to be 60MM. Not a lot of charities focused on outreach to the homeless have 60 million just laying around to use on a deal. Makes you wonder about the source of funds for the charity overall...

just sayin' said...

haha, awesome that you called them, plot! and surprise, surprise, the art institute was a huge money mill, shuttered recently after being placed under intense scrutiny by the government. also, big lawsuits about the worthlessness of their degrees.

plot said...

Argosy is offering EdDs, not PhDs, which is the degree given out to Bill Cosby for Fat Albert many moons ago. It's basically an advanced administration degree that sometimes doesn't even require class work or a thesis. Ironic that Bill Cosby used it so avidly to promote the Dr. Bill Cosby image whenever possible.

Argosy also offers Doctorates of Business Administration which I know nothing about.

Okay, finally got through to a real person there. They refused to answer questions about anything but mostly demanded, over and over, my contact information. Don't know many colleges who act like that, but many MLM schemes do. I think Argosy is already receiving unpleasant phone calls.

Schneiderisnext said...

Geffen is a ruthless scumbag. Quick story:

In the early 70's there was a female singer/songwriter named Judee Sill. Her story is fascinatingly tragic. She went from being a heroin addicted prostitute to being the first artist Geffen ever signed. Both of her amazing records didn't sell much, and Geffen began to turn his ear to Joni Mitchell, (a friend of mine was Judee's guitarist and he tells me it was well known that Joni was jealous of Judee).

Judee blamed Geffen for not promoting her properly and while on tour in Europe, during an interview she revealed that Geffen was gay. He dropped her from his label immediately and never spoke to her again. Fair enough, but he also used his power and influence to make sure no label would ever touch her again. She was blacklisted.

Judee never recorded another album and died of an OD (possible suicide) in 1979. She had fallen into such obscurity, some of her peers assumed she died earlier, while others found out years later. In 1972 she was featured in Rolling Stone and in 1979 she didn't even have an obituary.

Geffen made her and then promptly destroyed her. And all of the musicians from that Laurel Canyon scene (Mitchell, Jackson Browne, Linda Rondstadt, The Eagles) never spoke of her. She wasn't even mentioned in Geffen's biography.

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/chris-cornell-blind-item-might-explain-his-death-xii.1205834/page-1799#post-33859590

Schneiderisnext said...

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/chris-cornell-blind-item-might-explain-his-death-xii.1205834/page-1799#post-33859590

I think it might be worthwhile to compile a list of all of geffen's artists who have "committed suicide"

"In the early 70's there was a female singer/songwriter named Judee Sill. Her story is fascinatingly tragic. She went from being a heroin addicted prostitute to being the first artist Geffen ever signed. Both of her amazing records didn't sell much, and Geffen began to turn his ear to Joni Mitchell, (a friend of mine was Judee's guitarist and he tells me it was well known that Joni was jealous of Judee).

Judee blamed Geffen for not promoting her properly and while on tour in Europe, during an interview she revealed that Geffen was gay. He dropped her from his label immediately and never spoke to her again. Fair enough, but he also used his power and influence to make sure no label would ever touch her again. She was blacklisted.

Judee never recorded another album and died of an OD (possible suicide) in 1979. She had fallen into such obscurity, some of her peers assumed she died earlier, while others found out years later. In 1972 she was featured in Rolling Stone and in 1979 she didn't even have an obituary.

Geffen made her and then promptly destroyed her. And all of the musicians from that Laurel Canyon scene (Mitchell, Jackson Browne, Linda Rondstadt, The Eagles) never spoke of her. She wasn't even mentioned in Geffen's biography."

Judy Sill
Kurt Cobain
Chris Cornell
Chester Bennington

Who else?

Schneiderisnext said...

Breaking News:

The Church of the Fundamental Latter Day Saints is being charged with ritual sexual abuse of girls ages 8-14

This is the church providing "protection" in Colorado City AZ

http://www.good4utah.com/news/southern-utah/flds-church-leaders-facing-lawsuit-for-sexual-religious-rituals-with-underage-girls/889601778

"Court documents filed Wednesday say a victim came forward and told state officials leaders of the FLDS church watched, taped, and participated in several sexual encounters with underage girls between five and six times a week. The victims ages ranged from 8 years old to 14 years old.

To read the charging documents click here *Warning graphic content*

http://static.lakana.com/nxsglobal/good4utah/document_dev/2017/12/27/JEFFS%20COURT%20SEX%20ABUSE%20COMPLAINT_1514420040777_30655318_ver1.0.pdf

"This horrific religious doctrine and religious rituals as performed on Plaintiff consisted of Plaintiff, beginning at the age of 8, having a bag placed over her head, led out of her house by representatives of the Defendants, placed in a vehicle, and being driven to an unknown location,' court documents said.

The victim was given a number she was known as during these "rituals". Court documents say she was called by number only. Once she arrived to the secret location the victim claimed she was required to engage in sexual acts with the leaders. She was told if she said anything about it "God would destroy her and her family immediately". Court documents later say Warren Jeffs told the victim if she was suffering pain "it was because God was unhappy with her and that if [she] cried during these encounters, God would punish her."

The victim said once she turned 14 she was required to become a witness and scribe for these "rituals".

Photo evidence for these acts was found in the FLDS church's temple in Eldorado, Texas, according to charging documents. At the age of 16, the victim said she was required to go to "Ladies Class" to "learn how to be a good wife." During class, the victim said Lyle Jeffs would take her from class into a sound proof office and sexually abuse her "under the guise of further teachings in the 'Ladies Class'," documents say.

Members believed if they disobeyed orders, especially one that involved sex with leaders, they stood at significant risk of losing his or her family or home, charging documents explain.

Every president since the formation of the church have been involved with sexual relations with underage girls, the court documents say.

Photo Caption: Members were taught that the underage girls should engage in sexual intercourse to accomplish the doctrinal goal of the FLDS Church to raise up good priesthood children.

The victim is asking the court for a trial by jury. These claims have been filed against Warren Jeffs, Lyle Jeffs, Seth Jeffs, Wendell LeRoy Nielsen, the FLDS Church, the Corporation of the President of the FLDS Church, the Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of the FLDS Church, and the United Effort Plan Trust."

plot said...

Horrible. Thanks Schneiderisnext...or not...oh dear...

I'm going to have to save those links until I'm home on the couch with my dog at the ready for hugs.

just sayin' said...

Schneiderisnext you should write a book or at least magazine expose with all the info you've dug up! It's truly phenomenal.

I think the men who participate in this stuff should get the same punishment as what they acted out on these babies, several times a week for the rest of their lives. Except maybe with an electric cow prod.

just sayin' said...

Aw, I should have known you're a dog person, Plot! Dogs are so much better than people. Ugh.

La-Juice said...

Didn't Weinstein go to an arizona "rehab"?

Schneiderisnext said...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article70402327.html


The Panama Papers reveal one of Geffen's shell companies:

BARHAM MARITIME PLC

"Hollywood music and film mogul David Geffen also appears in the documents. He’s director of a Delaware company called Barham Maritime LLC, which in 2011 sold shares of his Cayman Islands company created to hold title to his yacht called Pelorus. Shipfinder.com shows the yacht Pelorus is anchored in Miami.

The sale price for the yacht was $214 million, and it was sold to a Panama offshore company called Marfleet Limited S.A.

Mossack Fonseca lawyers reviewed the sale documents.

The documents show that Royal Group Companies Management was the true buyer of the yacht. A website describes the company, in the United Arab Emirates, as active in real estate, tourism and international trade and development. Its chairman is Tahnoun vin Mohammed Al Nahyan, who is also a shareholder of Marfleet and is the UAE’s royal family representative for the Eastern Region."

Badum...../\.......Badum.....

Girlnextdoor0163 said...

Yes. I agree with the above statement. Entitled individuals living out sexual perversions

plot said...

I'm looking into this Tahnoun vin Mohammed Al Nahyan and other than being obscenely wealthy (for doing not much of anything it seems) and from the UAE, I can't find any sort of dirt on him except he is very entwined with the latest in "security" measures, things like retinal scanning, anything technological for "protection" purposes. If he had an underground business for selling sophisticated weaponry (if he is simply a highbrow arms dealer) that would fit what I'm reading.

What's the connection there other than him being one of the few people on planet earth who can afford a 200+ million yacht? As far as David Geffen insinuating himself into this transaction, that's extremely weird. Do these guys treat their offshore companies like some sort of communal resource for the obscenely wealthy?

Nawlins Jim said...

I think hit the nail on the head there plot. Yachts are really owned by these billionaire types as fungible assets in the same small community. Same goes for art work like the da Vinci painting bought by the crown prince of Saudi for almost half a billion. It’s easy to buy them through obscure shell corps, house in tax free domiciles like small countries in the Caribbean or Monaco, and then sell discreetly to one another in off shore non taxed transactions when you need a bit of extra cash to indulge a hobby...

Schneiderisnext said...

Ding ding ding

Geffen purchbased the yacht for 300 million and sold it for 214 million

Idk how quickly yachts depreciate, but seems like $86,000,000 dollars went missing.

I wonder what you can buy with 86 million dollars of unaccountable cash?

http://www.businessinsider.com/david-geffen-yacht-2011-7

Schneiderisnext said...

Not to mention prior to selling it, he had two Yachts, the Pelorus and the RISING SUN (purchased from Larry Ellison)

Who the fuck needs two yachts? If it's a dick measuring contest, just buy a bigger yacht.

Besides being a literal offshore store of wealth, Yachts also could serve as a brothel in international waters (what country can prosecute sex trafficking if it's occurring in neutral waters?)

What if celebrity "yachting" is just the tip of the iceberg?

Schneiderisnext said...

https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/10111053

Marfleet Limited S.A.

HOWARD KENNEDY SOLICITO is the intermediary and is connected to 22 other companies. Perhaps Geffen's shells?

Schneiderisnext said...

https://www.thenational.ae/world/world-s-most-expensive-painting-to-be-displayed-at-louvre-abu-dhabi-1.682164

Prior to the DaVinci being sold to the Saudi Prince...

"The highest known sale price for any artwork had been $300 million for Willem de Kooning's painting Interchange, sold privately in September 2015 by the David Geffen Foundation to hedge fund manager Kenneth C Griffin."

His name just keeps popping up

plot said...

-Geffen purchbased the yacht for 300 million and sold it for 214 million

Alarm bells going off for money laundering right there. No one like Geffen takes a 85 million hit. You are right on target. $85 million simply disappeared down a rabbit hole.

-Besides being a literal offshore store of wealth, Yachts also could serve as a brothel in international waters (what country can prosecute sex trafficking if it's occurring in neutral waters?)

Can you imagine how it would feel to be trapped on those yachts? How in a place like that, one has no autonomy and live at the whim of the host because those boats are outside the jurisdiction of any sort of government or oversight? That's some useful real estate on international waters for those know how to use it. I sure as shit wouldn't board one of those yachts for anything.

I don't think the yachts are a dick measuring contest, though it's supposed to look that way.

@Nawlins Jim

"Same goes for art work like the da Vinci painting bought by the crown prince of Saudi for almost half a billion"

That DaVinci painting is a forgery, too, so it mainly exists as a symbol of tradable capitol off the books and under the radar. That practice is destroying the art world since these billionaires need more fake originals to use as units of untraceable cash. Geffen with his record breaking sales of a de Kooning and a Pollack, along with an estimated $1 billion in all art sales, isn't dealing in forgeries, I feel, but he does know how to amplify the market to hide funds, absolutely.

The only thing holding up the US real estate market currently is that the Chinese and the Russians (and to some extent the Japanese) are gobbling up overpriced property or offering way above market value on shitty properties so they can become a vehicle for money laundering.

I'm looking up more and more on Geffen in my spare time (which ain't much.) Interesting to find that he fell out with the Clintons in 2001 (over Leonard Peltier allegedly, but I'm not buying it.) Since, Geffen has NOT been a supporter of either Clinton or a contributor to their causes or HRC's campaign.

Schneiderisnext said...

Thanks just sayin' though, idk of a publisher who'd take on this subject

The more you look into the pentecostal/assemblies of God, the more you realize it's Catholicism 2.0

Corrupt Christianity As a means of acquiring land, followers, money, and power. They are all about expansion. Megachurch Plantations

The connections to the neocons are also telling. Christian Dominion is what allows modern day religious "crusades" a-la George W.

Not to single out the Catholics, they're just the most historically successful at weaponizing religion and using it as a control mechanism

just sayin' said...

Haha, good point, schneiderisnext!

Schneiderisnext said...

David Geffen is implicated/involved in a billion dollar money laundering case.


http://variety.com/2017/music/news/emi-music-publishing-sale-investors-jho-low-1202489317/

Signs point to an impending sale of the portion of the EMI Music Publishing catalog that Sony administers, but doesn’t own, insiders tell Variety.

In 2012, Sony/ATV Music Publishing chairman Martin Bandier led the effort to acquire EMI Music Publishing (bringing in 1.3 million copyrights for songs by Carole King, Norah Jones, Motown classics, and standards like “Somewhere Over the Rainbow”) in a deal valued at $2.2 billion. At the time, Sony/ATV operated as a joint venture with the Michael Jackson estate (in January 2016, Sony/ATV exercised a buy-sell option to acquire the 50% it didn’t own — the price tag: $750 million) and, together, the two entities claimed 40% of EMI Music Publishing, with Sony/ATV taking a fee of 15% of NPS (Net Publisher Share) to administer the EMI copyrights.

Holding the other 60% is a consortium of investors, which includes the Jackson estate (with 10% ownership), Abu Dhabi-based Mubadala Development, Jynwel Capital, Blackstone Group’s GSO Capital Partners and David Geffen. And while the administration deal isn’t up until 2018, advancing the timeline, perhaps, is concern that one of those consortium purchasers, Jho Low of Jynwel, is under investigation in an international money laundering scheme. It is alleged in a June Department of Justice filing that his company funneled funds for personal use and other businesses. Low’s portion of the EMI acquisition was just over $106 million.

Schneiderisnext said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3745839/Multiple-donations-Leo-DiCaprio-s-foundation-came-Malaysian-money-laundering-scandal-environmental-gala-saw-guests-flown-helicopter-served-sea-bass.html

"Leo, a missing $3bn and the real-life Great Gatsby: How Wolf of Wall Street star's glitzy eco-foundation become embroiled in a shady international money laundering scam that casts a VERY unflattering light on his environmental crusading

The Department of Justice believes multiple donations to Leonardo DiCaprio's foundation came from a Malaysian money laundering scandal
Malaysian playboy and businessman
Jho Low, 35, was a friend of the recent Oscar winner Low is alleged to have used stolen money from a Malaysian sovereign wealth fund called 1MDB to spend at DiCaprio's lavish charity auctions

He then used $1.1million, allegedly from the 1MBD fund, to buy artwork by Ed Ruscha and Mark Ryden at an auction benefiting the foundation
Scandal is also tied to DiCaprio's The Wolf of Wall Street movie
Film was funded by Red Granite Pictures - set up by stepson of Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak who is at the center of the inquiry
There is no suggestion DiCaprio was aware that the donations or funding for his film was linked to the 1MBD scandal
U.S. government moved to seize $1 billion of assets bought with money it said was stolen from 1MDB by people close to Najib
Around $3 billion is believed to have been siphoned from the 1MDB fund"

"He also turned up to DiCaprio's celebrity-filled bash in Saint-Tropez last year, alongside the likes of Harvey Weinstein and David Geffen, where he donated a 1982 Roy Lichtenstein sculpture, worth around $700,000."

Schneiderisnext said...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.justice.gov/archives/page/file/877121/download&ved=0ahUKEwil1Lvx5LLYAhWqw1QKHTuRBPsQFghPMAg&usg=AOvVaw0_GmV_H9-e9w_7K_6S-fP7

This is a 160 page pdf detailing the DOJ case against Jho Low

Geffen is all over this document. It appears he set up multiple Panama based shell corporations to sell EMI music rights

This is dense, I need help working through it. The partners in this deal are almost all Saudis and UAE.

I'M still confirming, but it appears that entities involved in this lawsuit are also involved in Geffen's art and yacht sales

Schneiderisnext said...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-26/sec-is-said-to-review-guggenheim-ties-with-argentine-businessman

Geffen is also involved in a recent SEC investigation regarding money laundering through the Gugenheim

"U.S. regulators are looking at a web of companies linked to an Argentine man who has done almost $1 billion of deals with Guggenheim Partners as part of a wider review of the massive investment firm, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Diego Ball, whose entities have been involved in about $998 million of transactions with Guggenheim, also has ties to Mark Walter, the company’s billionaire co-founder and chief executive officer, through a former Guggenheim affiliate, according to documents obtained by Bloomberg. Ball’s brother Juan worked at Guggenheim for years. None of the parties have been accused of wrongdoing, and it’s unclear exactly why the relationship has attracted the attention of the Securities and Exchange Commission"


SEC Reviews Guggenheim Ties With Argentine Businessman
By Sonali Basak and Matt Robinson
October 26, 2017, 2:54 PM PDT
Updated on October 27, 2017, 7:49 AM PDT
Diego Ball linked to almost $1 billion in deals with firm
Guggenheim says its compliance group reviewed Ball’s companies
U.S. regulators are looking at a web of companies linked to an Argentine man who has done almost $1 billion of deals with Guggenheim Partners as part of a wider review of the massive investment firm, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Diego Ball, whose entities have been involved in about $998 million of transactions with Guggenheim, also has ties to Mark Walter, the company’s billionaire co-founder and chief executive officer, through a former Guggenheim affiliate, according to documents obtained by Bloomberg. Ball’s brother Juan worked at Guggenheim for years. None of the parties have been accused of wrongdoing, and it’s unclear exactly why the relationship has attracted the attention of the Securities and Exchange Commission.

....

The SEC’s role is to ensure that investors are being treated fairly and all relevant conflicts are disclosed to clients. Because Guggenheim is closely held, leaders may have more leeway to limit disclosure, according to Larry Cunningham, a corporate governance expert at George Washington University School of Law.

“Conflicts are common,” Cunningham said. “The more complicated a transaction is, and the more conduits being used, the more suspect.”

One of Walter’s latest outside investments was entertainment mogul David Geffen’s seaside estate, which he bought in a partnership for $85 million. Walter purchased the Malibu, California, property with ABS Capital Company, a firm affiliated with Juan Ball and Pablo Stalman."

Schneiderisnext said...

https://vultureofcritique.wordpress.com/2017/10/11/swordfish69-claims-that-the-geffen-museum-of-contemporary-art-is-the-motherlode-of-pizzagate/


Regardless of political affiliation, or personal opinions about the phenomenon known as "pizzagate", please read this article

It connects Geffen, art laundering, and eastern European Sex slave rings.

This is it.

Schneiderisnext said...

I personally believe that corruption and pedophilia exist on both sides of the political aisle.

However, what we are watching is the unravelling of the liberal/Democrat wing of the human/drug/arms trafficking apparatus.

Is this a power play by conservatives attempting to consolidate power? Is it karma finally biting the hypocritical left in the ass?

I'm not sure, but the following Washington Post article from 1998 is rather telling:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/starr082298.htm

This article is from 1998, and lists the donors to Bill Clinton's Lewinsky defense fund

" details about Clinton's testimony emerged on the same day that the president's legal defense fund announced it has raised $2.2 million in the last six months, more than was collected during the previous four years of his presidency combined. The newly reconstituted defense fund, operating with looser rules about who can give and how much they can offer, tapped into resentment against Starr as more than 17,000 Clinton supporters sent money.

Hollywood was quick to come to the president's aid. Among the 62 donors giving the maximum $10,000 were performers and directors such as Tom Hanks, Barbra Streisand, Michael Douglas, Ron Howard, Norman Lear, Steven Spielberg and Kate Capshaw-Spielberg as well as studio executives Jeffrey Katzenberg, David Geffen, Harvey Weinstein and Bud Yorkin."

Anonymous said...

All Hail Schneiderisnext!!!

I do believe you've cracked the code.

Why do I suspect that nervous Tom Steyer is somehow balls-deep in this?

MrsF2U said...

ITA - when folks get into C.T. stuff - it as Liv stated quite well . . . The Fairy Tale negates the truth.

These "theories" of evil would be better at that crackpot Vigilant Citizen nonsense site. I've been reading, seeing, and hearing these stories about HRC, Dick Cheney and Global Banksters for years. Yet no one has ever pressed charges? It makes no sense.

Truths:
There were no WMDS in Iraq.
Obama was not a little kid when MLK died and did not take part in his assassination.
MLK DID cheat on his wife but was NOT a Communist.
45/140 is a syphilitic idiot.
Mike Pence gets donations made in his name to Planned Parenthood.
Rush Limbaugh has limp balls.
Cornel West is a jackass.
Sanders has a sick lake front mansion and has never worked a day in his life.
Joe Biden loves ice cream.
Every single Obama Biden meme is true.

Unknown said...

Q? I hope it's you, love your work. Just read The Book of Q tonight cover to cover and will read it again tomorrow. Godspeed and God bless you.

Katie Daze said...

If that's the plan they're doing a bad job of it. In the 70s people reacted to 22 year old Don Johnson getting into 14 year old Melanie Griffith as though it was sweetly romantic and a little bit glamorous. You wouldn't get that response these days.

Pilot said...

The whole aim of a practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it
with an endless series of hobgoblins,
all
of them imaginary.
Mencken

Schneiderisnext said...

Fear is the mind killer

Anonymous said...

Everyone needs to reads Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer (link below). It goes through all of the FLDS information, story, history, and data. Incredible read. Explains a lot about what is going on in this blind.

http://amzn.to/2CxtrlV

Again GREAT book

plot said...

@Schneiderisnext

Working through all your research. No, not the pizzagate documents being fruit of the poisonous tree and all that. Find another angle there and we'll talk.

I hope it doesn't offend you that I display my way of thinking here. It's based on Devil's Advocacy and not meant personally, since I admire so much of what you've dug up. Also forgive me the hodgepodge order of my responses. I'm taking thoughts as they come to me.

As far as donors to Clinton's defense funds, it cannot be forgotten how popular he was as president and how many threw in their troth with him. Many felt he was victimized by Starr, and really he was in some ways. Starr was a partisan hack (as he displays so nakedly currently by praising Mueller for months and suddenly doing a 180 and condemning him now on command without giving any reason for his change of heart.) Starr held more than a half dozen Moot Courts at Georgetown and American Law Schools over what he thought he could try Clinton for. Not one of them deemed Clinton guilty of anything. Grand Juries wouldn't indict Clinton. The sole charge of lying before Congress is well met by the statement that "everyone lies about sex", and many held to that without themselves being culpable of any corruption themselves.

I find it distasteful to implicate supporters of anyone in the crimes of any politician (with the glaring exception of the Mercers and their company Cambridge Analytica which helped analyse voting material for Facebook, Vlad and the Trump Campaign. We shall see if this is judged illegal but Robert Mercer has resigned unexpectedly from his positions at his companies after Manafort was indicted.) I don't hold Roy Moore's donors responsible for his stalking of teenaged girls. Likewise, I don't think that Tom Hanks or Ron Howard are responsible for Clinton's moral failure as a president.

Let me also repeat here that Geffen has refused to have anything to do with the Clintons since at least 2000. What happened there, we don't know.

So, what are we left with here? I don't agree with your assessment that this is the exposure of anything about "lefties". Part of that is because I don't think the Clintons were "lefties" by a long shot and mostly the manufactured scandals seem to center around them (if some are real, it's difficult to tell in the world of pizzagate, which is why I certainly don't waste my time on anything filed with that header.) In fact, my main objection for the right's constant harangue about the Clintons is that the couple has done far more to benefit the wealthy, the monopolies and the traditional right in this country than even the right stalwarts like Reagan. The Clintons really should be praised by the right for bettering every one of their policies - doubling the prison population with drug offenders? Check. Creating a Welfare System that victimizes struggling families? Yep! Allowing media companies to form monopolies over information? Oh hell yes! Killing banking and finance regulations for the benefit of Wall Street and allowing banks to indulge in Ponzi schemes and abuse their smaller clients? Oh why not! The list goes on. The Right should be praising the Clintons, not inventing scandals that cost us BILLIONS to investigate over decades, all for naught.

plot said...

But still, we have indications of a dark world that does not abide by our laws or social conventions or any ethical structures at all other than accruing money. It's a pretty horrible world since the units of art or LLCs are equal to the price of children or women or low income houseing (see the last market crash for that. The upside for investors of this dark world is that lower middle class people were totally wiped out of urban areas for the wealthy to then seize, post crash.)

Whatever holds monetary value is open for exchange on this dark market. Those who are allowed to participate know there is no room for moral rigidity or qualms. If it's arms or plutonium being sought for a good price by those linked to controlled terrorism, so be it. Girls? Why not, it's money! Children? Even better money! THIS is where capitalism leads, every time, under every condition, after all. Defining this activities as those committed by "lefties" is very naive, I think. It goes so beyond "left" that circumscribing it that way inhibits the somewhat terrifying scope and its accurate portrayal.

Alright, following Geffen as our Patient Zero (so to speak ;P) we can see the vague outlines of how money is hidden, used, laundered and manipulated by members of this club through those things he trades in -

Movies
Music
Art
Yachts
Real Estate

and finally...

Charities.

All of the above have slippery accounting practices (as far as charities go, look at where they register ownership, Texas being an extraordinary haven for for-profit charities and alleged non-profits to engage in smudging the line between personal benefits and that of the charity. Texas is not alone in this.)

FFS, The Lord of the Rings trilogy is deemed a financial disaster by the studio accounting (Lion's Gate was it?) so they could avoid taxes and paying point participants in the profits (Peter Jackman sued over this, I believe.) This is the starting point, I think, of where people like Geffen learned to hide money, to work money nefariously and secretly, inside the Hollywood accounting system.

More in a bit...

YummyBoogers said...

Damnnnnnnnn. Thanks for your research, Schneider! Really feel like maybe you ought to compile this info into a thread somewhere (reddit, lsa, etc) for archival purposes, if you haven't already done so.

Plot, you say Geffen didn't donate to the Clinton 2016 election campaign. Did he donate to Obama's in 2008 and 2012? Did Gef donate to Cheeto's campaign in 2016, or just to no one at all? Wonder what went down between he and the Clintons to cause that rift? They still ran in similar social circles. If he donated to Barry during primaries in 2008, versus Hil, then that would absolutely support a bitter rift. Had there been any chance to patch up any bad relations from 2000+, then surely that was lost if Gef opted to support Barry early on in his bid for the dem nomination, when Hillary was campaigning actively.

We do know that Soros and Saban raised money for Hillary in 2016 via PACs. What is the nature of interactions between Gef, Soros and Saban? (Eff these 1%ers btw, lol). One must wonder how deep resentment runs and whether loyalties are honest or shallow among these uber richie rich types. I hate rooting for anyone who is too big to fail, but if we have learned anything since October, it is likely going to take the support of someone with equal footing to take down a behemoth of Gef's stature. If the likes of Soros or Saban aren't complicit or directly involved with these activities, I'd expect that they would likely somehow be involved if the chickens came to roost.

Schneiderisnext said...

No offense taken Plot, I appreciate your time and thoughtful response.

RE Pizzagate Link: I ask, that you simply look at the evidence, not as proof of PizzaGate, but as a compilation of Geffen's suspect art transactions/associations. I don't necessarily agree with the author's thesis, claims, or conclusion, but his supporting evidence is useful for our investigations into Geffen.

[Also as the Devils Advocate, I thought you'd love the fruit of the poisoned tree ;)]

I agree that the Clinton's are far from ideologically left (Hillary's speech about bringing "super-predators to heel" is a great example).

The Clinton's are much closer to NeoLibs & NeoCons. However, they do cloak themselves as part of the "the Left".

left/right=conceptual ends of the political spectrum

Vs

Left/Right: American political institutions/identities

And that's what I'm referring to when I contend that this is a targeted exposure of "The Left". This isn't to say Trump and the Right aren't equally involved. Rather they are gaining power and targetting the other pillar.

RE Donations & Supporters not being held accountable for corrupt politicians.

Why pick and choose? I call the Trumps and the Clintons spades. I also call their supporters spades. Mercer, Soros, Koch bros, Cambridge Analytics, ShareBlue, MediaMatters, etc.

The reason I bring up the WaPo article isn't even to say all are guilty, rather all of those names keep coming up in these blinds/comments/lipstick alley/other gossip blogs. To me, that indicates some targeted retribution by anti-clinton factions.

Schneiderisnext said...

Geffen raised/donated @ least 1/2 a million to Obama's 08 run.

According to the Podesta Leaks (searchable on wikileaks) the Clinton campaign was attempting to solicit donations and coordinate some kind of political activity with Geffen during the 2008 campaign.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/53056

"I spoke w Arianna abt PMUSA Board and will send her more info. She is enthusiastic abt the project but asks if she's more useful to us not being on the Board and, instead, using Huffpo to echo our message without any perceived conflicts. She has a point. We'll keep talking. She liked the Geffen idea. He's on his boat and returns May 9. She'll make the ask. Steve - I had good talk w Jeff A abt logo"

He is also listed as a "top donor prospects" and part of the "LA List" in two other leaked emails

Schneiderisnext said...

@plot, are you sure Geffen didn't support Hillary this election cycle? Do you have any supporting evidence?

https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-ready-for-hillary-2-0-as-saban-spielberg-geffen-line-up-support/

"Hillary Rodham Clinton launched her second presidential campaign on Sunday and heads into the primary free of opponents and with the backing of Hollywood’s biggest Democratic supporters.

Andy Spahn, who for years worked with Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg and David Geffen raising money for Democratic candidates, describes entertainment industry support for Clinton’s presidential race as both deep and wide. Built on years of personal friendships and often dating back to Bill Clinton’s years as president, the support for Hillary has grown as she neared a decision on another presidential run.

“Jeffrey, Steven, Haim Saban… you can run down the list. Many of us have known her since the late 80s or the early 90s. There has always been a fondness for Hillary Clinton,” said Spahn, a former head of corporate affairs for DreamWorks SKG, still a major Democratic fundraiser and co-founder and president of Gonring, Spahn & Associates."

...

Unlike 2008 when Democrats were sharply divided between Clinton and Obama, Spahn said there doesn’t appear to be any formidable opposition. “I am not aware of any Obama supporters opposing Hillary this time.”

Schneiderisnext said...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/02/08/david-geffen-not-supporting-either-democrat-for-president/


Geffen, who memorably abandoned his support of Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2008 and switched allegiances to a then-insurgent Sen. Barack Obama, told the Wall Street Journal that he is “not supporting anybody” in the race for this year’s Democrat nomination.

According to the paper, the music mogul has donated just $2,700 to the campaigns of both Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders, the maximum allowable contribution to a campaign from an individual.

Geffen’s newfound neutrality is markedly different from what he told the New York Times‘ Maureen Dowd in May 2014. Geffen said then that he would “absolutely” support Clinton’s campaign in 2016, and called her an “extraordinary, smart, accomplished woman.”

But even that was different from what Geffen told the same reporter in 2007, when he explained his rationale for throwing the first big Hollywood fundraiser for the then-upstart campaign of a young Barack Obama, spurning Clinton in the process.

The music mogul reportedly had a falling-out with the Clintons in 2001, when Bill controversially pardoned businessman Marc Rich but not Leonard Peltier, whom Geffen had requested be pardoned. Geffen told the Times‘ Dowd that the incident represented “yet another time when the Clintons were unwilling to stand for the things that they genuinely believe in.”

“Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling,” he said then.

-so Geffen did donate 2,700 to Hillary, flip-flopped in 2014, and supposedly only stopped supporting her when the Clintons didn't pardon Leonard Peltier (who Obama also didn't pardon).

I call bullshit. His story is weak

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Schneiderisnext said...

Totally agree with this being larger than the left, it's the entire political/economic/industrial/entertainment system.

Thanks for the Texas/charity/film financing info! More leads to sniff out!

Also thanks for your energy and focus. Even if we disagree on some specifics, I appreciate your candor and civility.

2018 here we come. Let's keep exposing the dirt, seeking truth, listening to each other, and helping heal the hurt and exploited

Happy New Year to all of you beautiful people. Love and Light!

Schneiderisnext said...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1599389/posts

Plot. It goes back to Soros?????

2006. Soros buys DreamWorks distribution rights for 5 years for 900 million!!! Vastly overinflated price for 52 titles. Results in huge payout to Spielberg, Katzenberg, and Geffen, on condition that they donate to opposing DNC candidates (laundering money through us citizens to bet on multiple democrat horses in the election). Geffen "snubs" Hillary and donates to Obama. Spielberg and Katzenberg support Hillary.

Read this article, and its incredulous tone at the seemingly bad biz decision by Soros

George Soros, Hollywood Mogul?
Business Week By Ron Grover
March 20, 2006

No one will ever accuse George Soros of being a financial fool. And we're not going to start now. But you have to scratch your head a bit and wonder what the legendary 75-year-old financier was thinking when he signed the deal, announced by Viacom on Mar.17, to pony up $900 million to buy 59 films distributed by DreamWorks SKG.
Viacom's (VIA ) Paramount Pictures acquired the library as part of its $1.5 billion acquisition of the DreamWorks live-action studio in mid-December. As part of that deal, Paramount also won the rights to distribute DreamWorks' animated films, which the publicly traded company DreamWorks Animation SKG (DWA ) will continue to produce on its own. The films that Soros and private-equity firm Dune Entertainment II are acquiring are hardly shabby. Among them are Academy Award winners American Beauty and Saving Private Ryan, Steven Spielberg's gripping World War II drama. Of course, there are also some bona fide losers, including last year's megabomb The Island, and the 2004 yawner Win a Date with Tad Hamilton. On top of that, DreamWorks shares the rights to some of its movies. Universal is partner on Meet the Fockers and Seabiscuit, while Fox is a collaborator on Road to Perdition.
So how much cash flow does a library of 59 films generate, especially since many of the films have already been through their most lucrative "windows" -- such as sales of DVDs and showings on pay TV? By comparison, MGM, with more than 4,000 titles, generated cash flow north of $200 million last year for its older and less successful library.

Soros signed a five-year distribution deal for Paramount to continue to sell the films to new buyers. Paramount gets an estimated 8% of the revenue as its fee, further cutting Soros' cash flow. On top of that, Paramount retains the music-publishing rights for songs from the movies and "certain other ancillary" rights. The kicker is that Paramount also has the rights to make any sequels as well as "derivative rights" -- meaning TV shows, if any develop -- and merchandising rights.
In short, what exactly does Soros get? He seems to have bought an asset on the downside of its life"
...
"This transaction materially increases our expected return on invested capital for the DreamWorks acquisition," said Viacom Chief Financial Officer Michael Dolan, who structured the deal. "Additionally, we retain all the strategic and operational benefits of the combination." In short, it's a win-win for Viacom. It pays down its costs of buying DreamWorks in December, and Viacom has a seat at the table if digital distribution starts to take hold. As for Soros, you have to hope he's a big fan of old movies.

roxy said...

I haven't been following this but if this ties to the Dream Centers. Holy. Crap.

ALL the televangelists are connected to those.

Mind. Blown.

plot said...

@Schneiderisnext

In a rush, but one idea to consider is 2006 was the year that all the big billionaires in finance were preparing for The Big Short. Goldman Sacks was doing it, so was JP Morgan and it wouldn't be remiss of Soros to do the same with junk investments that would pay off on another brokerage account where he shorted the stock.

It will take more time for me to look into this than I have at the moment, though.

Schneiderisnext said...

@plot, thanks for the input, are you saying he could have a separate brokerage account where he shorted the DreamWorks stock, or other shorts on other investments that are effected by this inflated purchase?

plot said...

Yes, that is pretty much what Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan did with the junk real estate bonds - inflated their price by buying so much of it while setting up other divisions, or more likely putting money in a smaller firm, to short sale. It's a lot more complicated than that, I can't even really explain it, but everyone was making terrible investment decisions in 2006 because they could get them insured by firms like AIG for losses and then they could sell short. It was these kinds of financial boondoggles that caused arguably the worst financial crisis in US history. I don't think Obama gets enough praise for saving our economy at the time, though the fact that he and Holder decided to hold no one responsible really grinds my gears. Like the pardon of Nixon, those deliberate actions which prevent accountability erode the country's faith in government and wealth.

Whether Soros invested in only 5 years of distribution rights for a bunch of movies passed their prime for this reason, I don't know. I don't expect Soros, or any other billionaire, of having personal reasons for making such a decision (which is truly bad on the surface.) There HAS to be a financial incentive. I'll try to look up more details on that later.

plot said...

http://www.ip.finance/2010/02/soros-sells-back-film-rights-to-viacom.html

Apparently, Soros sold back the distribution rights a year early and at a huge loss. This article speculates that Soros anticipated DVD sales that never appeared, but that doesn't make much sense. By 2006, everyone saw that DVD sales were on the wane, "illegal" downloading was in full swing, and Soros ain't stupid.

Let me see what other theories are out there for this Viacom quick buy/sell. If Soros was participating in the funny math of Hollywood to keep his taxes low, that wouldn't be surprising, but this seems unusual even in that case. Interesting that he sold during the negotiations for Dodd Frank and in the nick of time before Dodd Frank passed, though I can't find a Finance angle to this.

plot said...

Another interpretation (which still leaves me puzzled along with the author)

"But not when you realize that Viacom in March 2006 agreed to sell the library to Soros for $900 million and retained a 49% stake. The purchase was completed on February 8th, but not disclosed until today by Viacom COO Tom Dooley on an earnings call. Also it wasn’t voluntary: I’m told that Soros had a “put” to Viacom at the established price of $400 million. “This was all part of the charade under the original Deal,” as a source snarked to me. “The DW library, although chuck full of some compelling pictures, wasn’t worth anywhere near $950 million. So a deal was set up with Soros whereby Viacom would allow Soros, after 5 years, to ‘put’ the library back to Viacom for basically the shortfall.” "

http://deadline.com/2010/02/what-exactly-are-film-libraries-worth-now-25222/

So Soros was putting up capital that Viacom desperately needed on short notice. Still, where did the $400 million go in the buy back? It suggests, perhaps, that Soros had to legitimize funds in much the same manner as Russian Kleptocrats are doing in the US real estate market and in a smaller way with luxury goods and high end used cars. That's a THEORY. I'll continue looking.

plot said...

Historical backup, A 2006 article about the original sale -

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11881441/ns/business-us_business/t/viacom-sell-dreamworks-film-library/#.Wku1uxM-dE4

"In December, Viacom’s Paramount Pictures unit agreed to buy DreamWorks SKG for $775 million in cash, plus $825 million in debt and other obligations. At that time, the studio said it would finance the deal by immediately selling the DreamWorks film library, which Paramount valued at between $850 million and $1 billion."

So Viacom needed cash badly to buy Dreamworks. Soros provided but the terms were not disclosed.

plot said...

To add, the value of all the libraries of films were vastly overestimated, seemingly at the last moment before DVD sales started it's last dramatic decline. So, the value in those film libraries could mostly be represented by reboots and new licensing. Were these collections being gathered for future online viewing? Even so, the money wouldn't be much. The only libraries that seem to be making big money these days are Super Hero licensing.

I'm beginning to think that this investment by Soros wasn't a tax or short sale thing (since this wasn't about stock in the companies) but a money laundering tale.

plot said...

https://books.google.com/books?id=Cqz0BQAAQBAJ&pg=PT191&lpg=PT191&dq=viacom+soros&source=bl&ots=2VezB6BwDo&sig=MH5CsB78n4RnI7BvDuk1PJRil4M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj83NWr4LnYAhWSkeAKHQlnAoc4FBDoAQgxMAI#v=onepage&q=viacom%20soros&f=false

Looking through this book to find out if bonds are issued for media investments like the Viacom Soros deal, in which case I'm back on the Short Sale bandwagon. So far, I'm only seeing Completion Bonds issued for Hollywood movies, nothing on investments on property.

I might actually order this book.

Schneiderisnext said...

From the business week article in 2006 I posted a few comments up:

Soros signed a five-year distribution deal for Paramount to continue to sell the films to new buyers. Paramount gets an estimated 8% of the revenue as its fee, further cutting Soros' cash flow. On top of that, Paramount retains the music-publishing rights for songs from the movies and "certain other ancillary" rights. The kicker is that Paramount also has the rights to make any sequels as well as "derivative rights" -- meaning TV shows, if any develop -- and merchandising rights.

I don't think he even gets reboots or licensing rights.

A total stinker of a deal..

Schneiderisnext said...

I've learned more about the financial markets from @plot and CDAN than all of my college economics classes

@plot so bonds are issued upon "completion" of movie projects, but so far you haven't found any bonds based upon studio acquiring "property " (eg: film rights sales)?

Schneiderisnext said...

https://books.google.com/books?id=jf9HBgttTeQC&pg=PA493&lpg=PA493&dq="george+soros"+%2B+"geffen"&source=bl&ots=Q2BwS0AxFa&sig=p7elA3RSgzlEI0yLwB5gYlXk_-g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDwJ24573YAhVEzWMKHVuaAgU4KBDoAQgsMAM#v=onepage&q=%22george%20soros%22%20%2B%20%22geffen%22&f=false

"Each of the three founding partners in DreamWorks received a 175 million dollar return on their initial investment of 33.3 million"

Over 500% return. Plenty of money to use for the upcoming election season

plot said...

@Schneiderisnext

Yes, it seems like a terrible deal, both ends of it, which is why I'm trying to figure out what Soros got out of it for the loss on the books of $400 million. As an upper echelon investor (with the likes of Buffet and Icahn) Soros would not lose that much money or if he did, he had good reason. All the articles about the original Viacom catalogue sale to Soros can't make sense of it (and the details are hidden from the public.) Added is the early buy back by Viacom of the catalogue, which makes even less sense unless it was built into the original contract. It's nonsensical, from the standpoint of every article I'm reading. Why would Soros agree to lose $400 million?

Yes, according to this book bonds are issued for insurance policies on the completion of movies. What I'm looking for is how Soros may have protected himself from the $400 million loss through insurance or if he could short the sale, in any way, through a smaller unknown account, but that would involve stock, I think, and insurance on stock. Since the sale was reported to have been cash (we don't really know since the documents of sale are sealed), I'm skimming through this book to see if there is any insurance for such a huge cash loss on the sale of media property rights.

Dense stuff. It's going to take me some time.

plot said...

A 500% return on an investment from 1994 to 2006 is certainly not unusual.

Soros, nor the Mercers, nor Icahn nor Buffett, nor any one of the super-investors is going to throw away $400 million on politics without a return of some kind in monetary form (just look at the recent finagling of Icahn, who vanished from the White House in the blink of an eye after his financial arrangements for contributions was exposed by the New Yorker. He was hoping to cash in BIG for contributing to Trump. Sad.)

It's difficult for me to believe that Soros would accept this loss without covering for it some way. And those who profited from the Dreamworks sale certainly had their own money to contribute from other avenues of wealth.

Schneiderisnext said...

So everyone knows, Himmmm has spoken about this blind on another page.

Blind #16 "Old Hollywood"


http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/blind-items-revealed-16-old-hollywood.html

"Himmmm2:29 PM
Schneiderisnext - I've read some of what you've done there and you guys/gals are amazing, intrepid detectives. I have no personal knowledge of that actual blind, and you know far more about it than I do. So my guesses on that would just be guesses. I'd say your work on it makes you far more of an authority than I could be. Sorry I can't be of more help to you, I just have no first-hand knowledge of that exact church. I've got rugrats tugging on the coat so I'm heading out the door right now. Best of luck and have a safe New Years my friends!"


@Enty, can you help us brethren out?

Schneiderisnext said...

http://mycultlife.com/tags/tommy-barnett/

From the website of a former member of TOMMY BARNETT's (founder of Dream Center/Dream City Church) Christian college/degree program: Masters Comission

"The cult I was in was called Master’s Commission. It was formed out of a mega church pastored by the TBN regular, Tommy Barnett. Phoenix First Assembly of God was a hub for televangelists like Joyce Meyer, Mario Murillo, and Jim Bakker to visit. On special occassions, we bussed in drug addicts and homeless people. It was here Master’s Commission (MC) ran for over twenty years, often posing as a secular group “City Conquest” to hold youth rallies inside public high schools and boost recruitment."


"The initial group was 12 members and met daily at the campus of the Phoenix First Assembly of God Church in 1984. Tragically, in the early stages of Master’s Commission, Carmen Balsamo died from a sudden heart attack. Phoenix First Senior Pastor Tommy Barnett then introduced Pastor Lloyd Zeigler as the man to develop the program; Master’s Commission has exploded throughout his tenure.

He also developed the Master’s Commission International Network (MCIN) in 1995 whose purpose was to assist the development of other Master’s Commission programs nationally and internationally. Pastor Zeigler currently still oversees and directs his own Master’s Commission program, the MCIN, and is the Lead Pastor of Relevant Church in the North Dallas, Texas area.

Master’s Commission comes from a line of ideology that can be classified as fundamentalist, dominionist and charasmatic. In 2008, Bruce Wilson wrote about Sarah Palins’ link to Master’s Commission and The Third Wave. Palin attended an Assembly of God church, and prayed over the Master’s Commission at their graduation ceremony.

There’s also a link between Jim Bakker, a good friend of Tommy Barnett’s, and Master’s Commission. Bakker runs a Master’s Commission at his compound in Missouri which is responsible for “interning” at his TV show. Pastor Lloyd, the founder of Master’s Commission, still visits Jim Bakker for speaking engagements.

Schneiderisnext said...

More anecdotes from a former member of TOMMY BARNETT's precursor to Dream Center: "Master's Commission"

http://mycultlife.com/tags/tommy-barnett/

Where to start?

Well I, like many, became interested and joined Master’s Commission after seeing them perform at one of the local churches where I lived. They seemed so energetic and were bursting with talent from their seams. I was a musician and singer, so the fact that they used the stage for everything from acting to singing really peaked my interest. I was in my last year of high school and after seeing them, I knew that I wanted to be a part of it. After I graduated high school I hit the road; destination Phoenix, AZ. There was a diverse group of us (first year students). It was exciting. I remember having a “commitment ceremony” where we, (1st year students) were given a ring to wear as our commitment to God not to date. This was not a problem for me because unbeknownst to everyone there…I was gay. Fast forward in time now… A girl who I will refer to as H, was kicked out of our Master’s Commission. She was also first year. She left and we were told she was demon possessed (because she was gay).

I’m so glad that I never confided in Lloyd Zeigler. He thrived to have intimate knowledge of those around him. He would use it to his advantage.

How so?

Well the saying, knowledge is power is exactly how he used his knowledge. If you don’t believe what I’m saying, then I ask you this; what benefit is there to me or anyone else knowing that one of his subordinates had a struggle with bestiality? No, he didn’t say it to pray for them. It was a flippant bit of information he let roll off his tongue. It was a form of manipulation.
It made you feel that he was all-seeing and all-knowing.
Like a God.
...
What emphasis they would put on loyalty.

During one of our prayer sessions, He gave an example about loyalty.

He said to us that Pastor Tommy Barnett was his pastor and that he was loyal to him. He said that he was so loyal to him, that if one day he saw Pastor Barnett running after a guy and shooting at them with a gun, that he wouldn’t try to stop Pastor Barnett from shooting that man, but that he would instead help him. Because, he said, for all he knew, maybe that person had tried to assault his wife, Maria Barnett. He stressed that he had trust and loyalty to his Pastor and would not question what he was doing, but trust him and help him.

Schneiderisnext said...

Are you all getting that?

"Loyalty"

This a Christian Mafia

Schneiderisnext said...

Continued from above blog: My Cult Life

A few years ago, I was a staff member for a discipleship group named Master’s Commission, which was formed out of Phoenix First Assembly of God under Tommy Barnett. One of the most difficult parts of being in that group (of which I was a member in Phoenix, now MC USA; MC Austin and MC Industries–now Elevate 3D out of Our Savior’s Church in Lafayette, LA) was the control they had over our lives as students and staff to prevent us from being close to our family.

I was on staff in MC, but I was only getting paid $150 at the most per month (usually $50 or $100). We worked 50 hour work weeks in the office, then about 10 hours for church services (setting up the chairs and tearing them down, as well as doing human videos, etc), and on top of that, I nannied the Davies children (cleaned their house, did their laundry and went grocery shopping, too), and finally, I lived in one of the girl students dorms as the Resident Assistant (RA) type. I was in charge of making sure all the girls got to bed on time, shut out the lights on time, read their bibles each night, cleaned and did their chores, and was there to counsel them when I could. I can’t even count how many hours I worked for $150 a month, but it was well over 80.

I had to ask permission to leave the church campus (we all did), for anything (yes, for groceries, fast food, etc.), and this was no exception. I asked Nathan Davies and Tim Wilson (assistant director at the time).

Their answers to my request were no. They said, “What if something major comes up at church this weekend? We might need you.”

Schneiderisnext said...

Bruce t. Halle was the richest man in Arizona. Until he "died in his sleep" 3 days ago.

Founder of Discount tires, he had a net worth of 6.1 billion and was an avid PHILANTHROPIST and ART COLLECTOR

What was the focus of his art?

http://www.artnews.com/top200/diane-and-bruce-halle/

Top 200 art collector since 2008

As of 2017, he was the 219th richest person in the world. Together with his wife, Diane, he created the Diane and Bruce Halle Collection, a private collection of 20th- and 21st-century Latin American art located in Scottsdale, Arizona. Why Latin American art? “When I became serious about actually collecting, I wanted to have a region that was my own, one that I could explore by myself,”

WHAT ABOUT HIS CHARITABLE INTERESTS?

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/sex-trafficking-center-first-in-us-to-open-medical-clinic

Today the only clinic in the United States designed to specifically treat survivors of sex trafficking opened its doors right here in the valley.
..
The innovative clinic is an addition to the Phoenix DREAM CENTER.
..
The Halle (holly) Healing Center was funded by the Diane and Bruce Halle Foundation.

Schneiderisnext said...

It's pronounced "holly"....

As in "Hollywood?

'Tism intensifies*

Schneiderisnext said...

https://panjiva.com/Collection-Of-Diane-Bruce-Halle/4035960

Can anyone get access to this Data? It appears "Sir Bruce T Halle" either purchased a statue or 450 kilograms of INFANT GIRL clothing

just sayin' said...

Great find, the connection between the Halles and the Dream Center, Schneiderisnext. The Halle Center is exactly the subject of the original blind.

I have nothing to add to that but a peripheral note. I was thinking about Larry Gagosian the other day after watching an art documentary. He got his start in L.A. selling art posters at UCLA. Anything UCLA pings my pedogar these days. And he fits the bill of being part of the organization..."a mystery person" with no marriages or romantic attachments I could find. Goes from selling art posters to being the biggest art dealer in the world, close with Geffen, Jeff Epstein. Haven't done any research but he's worth looking at.

Schneiderisnext said...

http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/tag/bruce-halle

Bruce Halle secretly installed video cameras in his whole neighborhood Paradise Valley AZ What a creep

World weary said...

Not an INXS or Australian link?

World weary said...

Australian link somehow????

Mark said...

I haven't checked this blind in a while. I REALLY wish that the time stamp of each post included a date.

I haven't read all the posts that I missed, but the Dream Center thing looks pretty damn interesting. The following observations don't add any substance, but oh well:

(1) Pastor Matthew Barnett is creepy looking af!

(2) http://dreamcenterfoundation.org/ - "closed the acquision (sic) ..." Nothing says higher education like spelling errors.

(3) When I see human trafficking and white women, I immediately think of Romania. Is "Romainia" the same thing? (LEARN TO SPELL IF YOU ARE GOING TO RUN A WEBSITE!) http://www.thedcnetwork.org/

[Intentionally double-posting, so I end one page of 200 and begin the next.]

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