Thursday, December 14, 2017

Today's Blind Items - Young And Helpless

She was a momager. She was always around her daughter. She was not an absentee parent at all. The thing is though, she had two issues. One was her husband who wanted more money so they needed to work their daughter more and the other issue was that to get more work for the daughter, she had to let her "rehearse" and "read for parts" with producers. The mom was more than willing, not only to appease her husband but also because she loved being on sets and basking in the glow of fame from her daughter.

Her daughter had been acting from a very young age, but was not really molested or assaulted until she was about seven. She got a big break that year. She had been recommended by an A+ list director/producer who had seen her for a screen test. Uh huh. He had been consulted because of an interest in an upcoming television project. The A+ lister had been involved in a similar type project, but not for television.

Anyway, the producer of the television show loved what he saw and told the mom he needed to spend some time alone with the girl to make sure she could handle the rigors of the episode. Two hours later he brought her back. One of the actresses in the episode who literally has played basically the same character for every episode of television she has been on for the past 30 years had tried to tell the mom what would happen if she let her daughter go with the producer. The mom told the actress to mind her own business.

Fast forward a couple of years. Another producer. Another recommendation. Who did it come from? That A+ lister again. It was a project in his sphere even though he was not involved on a daily basis. This time it was a movie. For the very short amount of time the movie was being filmed, the nine year old girl was repeatedly sexually assaulted and raped. The mom let it happen. She pretended to not notice the men taking her daughter to their trailers or would tell others that the men wanted to go over lines or play video games. She had a never ending list of excuses. There was an actress on the set who had bit parts in the franchise. She never worked again after that movie because of what she saw. She said she could never work in an industry that would allow that to a little girl.

It was shortly after filming wrapped that the girl began to cry out for help and was reluctant to ever be alone with anyone. She began to self harm even at that young age. Her family was no help. The mom wanted the fame and the dad needed the money. The dad had no idea though about the assaults. When he did find out, he blamed the mother and the daughter. He killed them both before killing himself.


137 comments:

Tuesdi said...

Judith Barsi
I had never heard of this - just found it by googling

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-07-28/local/me-9912_1_apparent-murder-suicide

Lynne said...

Judith Barsi? Her dad killed her and her mom before killing himself. She as 9 or 10 at the time.

GoogleSleuth said...

I instantly thought of Judith Barsi. This story breaks my heart.

sandybrook said...

Google dad kills actress daughter and wife Judith Barsi is right at the top at 10 yrs old.

Tricia13 said...

Dear god this is sick. Is the Director/Producer-James L.Brooks?

just sayin' said...

steven spielberg directed the twilight zone movie in 83, the tv series she appeared in in 85.

just sayin' said...

alleged pedophiles in the imdb

sorry for linking to this list so often, but i hate this man.

AIP said...

More info about poor little Judith and her death:
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/b/Judith%20Barsi%20story/judith_barsi.htm

Sunspirit said...

So is the A+ list Director Spielberg?

just sayin' said...

movie 2 years later: jaws:the revenge. not produced by spielberg but "in his sphere".

just sayin' said...

yes, sunspirit. allegedly.

totaji said...

Wes Craven directed the Twilight zone she was in.

Cassie said...

What about Aaron Spelling? He produced the Love Boat and she was on a two part episode...

just sayin' said...

right, totaji, i typoed above, spielberg consulted for the tv show tho.

Liz said...

From Wiki: Don Bluth, the director of The Land Before Time and All Dogs Go To Heaven, described her as "absolutely astonishing. She understood verbal direction, even for the most sophisticated situations,"[14] and he intended to feature her extensively in his future productions.[15]

longtimereader said...

All roads lead to spielberg on blinds like this. The drum beat is stating to quicken on him.

Rafael said...

Jesus...

Spider Rico said...

Spielberg - Jaws The Revenge - possible bit part actress in the franchise who never worked again - Lee Fiero

Terry Teratoma said...

I've always heard that he killed them because the mom was finally going to leave him? Or HAD left? I don't doubt at all that he blamed them for the assaults,but I believe he killed them because of domestic violence (how a partner is way more likely to be murdered after leaving).Either way, it's always been known that he was a horrible man, and that in her own, very specific way, she was a horrible woman. Judith never stood a chance.

Guesser said...

Who was the other actress? That would solve it for sure. Spielberg is the first,the other one is the TV show producer.

totaji said...

I wasn’t correcting you buddy. I knew what you meant. I was surprised such a big name director worked with her. Craven has directed a lot of teens.

Anonymous said...

'Actress who had bit parts in the franchise (Jaws)' could be either Lee Fierro (Mrs. Kintner) or Fritzi Jane Courtney (Mrs. Taft).

VeryUnseemly said...

Who do you think this is?

"One of the actresses in the episode who literally has played basically the same character for every episode of television she has been on for the past 30 years"

Don Kieballs said...

Judith Barsi
The TV Show The Twilight Zone Shatterday/A Little Peace and Quiet (1985)
A+ Director/Producer, Steven Speilberg who made Twilight Zone: The Movie (1983)

Actress who warned mom and has literally played the same character is Clare Torao who is Clare Nono in everything she does

The movie, I assume, is The Land Before Time (Exec Producer Steven Speilberg), which was All Dogs Go to Heaven, the movie she broke down in front of her agent during a singing audition.
George Lucas (also Exec Producer on The Land Before Time) being the new producer she was introduced to?

just sayin' said...

+1 don kieballs for the land before time and lucas.

Dena said...

I can't wrap my head around how a parent would turn a blind eye when their young child is being raped. Hopefully mom and dad are having a really terrible time in hell.

totaji said...

Melinda Dillon from the twilight zone is that actress I bet

Sign Name Below said...

@Don Yes! IMDb has Clare Torao/Nono playing "television reporter/anchorperson/newscaster" throughout her career. I think she was the actress who warned mother

Heather L said...

Wow this story breaks my heart. After researching it's definitely Judith Barsi who was on punky brewster and well Soleil has essentially played the same character in everything including her character on Sabrina the teenage witch. Jaws was a big movie (which confirms that suspicion of Spielberg being a pedophile) and if you look at Lorraine Gary's movie credits (she was the star of the Jaws film) there is literally no movie credits after the Jaws movie so my guess is it's her that stopped working after that. I just can't figure out who the producer on Punky was that would have abused her. There are about 3 men but David W. Duclon was the creator and has a more extensive resume than the other top male producers. Don't tell my work I spent so much time researching this ;-).

CuriousTex said...

How about Melinda Dillon (mother roles) from Twilight Zone series and Lorraine Gary (Mrs. Brody) from Jaws: The Revenge?

Guesser said...

@Don, Clare Torao,amazing find. Never would have figured that!

Glue said...

This is such a sad story.

I'm still stumped on the A list director though. There were so many during her early career.

Guesser said...

All film clues lead to Spielberg, all music clues lead to Geffen. Did anyone else notice Weinstein is denying The Selma Hayak accusations? Probably because unlike Rose and Ashley, she isn't "crazy" or a druggy. The effort to discredit Rose is in full swing.

BayAreaGirl said...

I read this as the A+ list director/producer recommended the victim to another producer. So is this how Speilberg gets his funding and the green light for his projects?

A little buried but the Executive Producer on the 1980's Twilight Zone series revival was Philip Deguere. From Wiki.

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CuriousTex said...

According to wiki, Jaws:The Revenge filmed in 38 days. Spielberg has ties to Twilight Zone (directed the movie) and obviously Jaws. Apologies if someone already pointed this out. Started reading comments from bottom.

pkelly491 said...

This is Judith Barsi - tragic

A+ lister is Speilberg.

Movie is Jaws III, actress who never worked again was Lorraine Gary.

Not sure on the TV show or the actress in the TV Show

BayAreaGirl said...

@Guesser, I saw the Salma Hayek thing too. So that's why Ashley Judd agreed to work on another Weinstein project. HW's response to Salma was just as bad:

"Through a spokesperson, Weinstein denied any malicious intent or behavior toward Hayek. But his denial, which nitpicks certain details in Hayek’s account while belittling her via an unfavorable comparison to Jennifer Lopez"

Rinky said...

From the Barsi wiki:

"As Judith's career success increased, József became increasingly angry and would routinely threaten to kill himself, Maria, and Judith. His alcoholism worsened, causing the police to arrest him three separate times for drunk driving.[1] In December 1986, Maria reported his threats and physical violence toward her to the police. After police found no physical signs of abuse, she decided not to press charges against him.[1]

After the incident with police, József reportedly stopped drinking, but again he continued to threaten Maria and Judith. His various threats included cutting their throats as well as burning down the house. He reportedly hid a telegram informing Maria that a relative in Hungary had died, in an attempt to prevent her and Judith from leaving America.[6] Physical violence continued, with Judith telling a friend that her father threw pots and pans at her, resulting in a nosebleed.[7] As a result of his abuse, Judith began putting on weight[6] and exhibited disturbing behavior, which included plucking out all her eyelashes and pulling out her cat's whiskers.[1] After breaking down in front of her agent during a singing audition for All Dogs Go to Heaven, she was taken by Maria to a child psychologist, who identified severe physical and emotional abuse and reported her findings to Child Protective Services.[1]

The investigation was dropped after Maria assured the case worker that she intended to begin divorce proceedings against József and that she and Judith were going to move into a Panorama City apartment she had recently rented as a daytime haven from him.[8] Friends urged her to follow through with the plan, but she resisted, reportedly because she was afraid that she would lose the family home and belongings.[1]
Barsi's grave decorated with roses in 2004

Judith was last seen riding her bike on the morning of July 25, 1988.[3] That evening, József shot her in the head while she was sleeping, and then murdered Maria.[5] He spent the next two days wandering around the house,[3] and said during a phone conversation with Judith's agent the next night that he intended to move out for good, and just needed time to "say goodbye to my little girl."[1] He then poured gasoline on the bodies and set them on fire.[9] After incinerating the bodies, he went to the garage and shot himself in the head with a .32 caliber pistol.[10][11] On August 9, 1988, Judith and Maria were interred at the Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Los Angeles."

Dad sounds like a typical rage-filled alky degenerate loser. They often turn into family annihilators when the wife has had enough and plans to leave them.

Kate said...

Is this the little girl that voiced ducky from land before time?

Spider Rico said...

Actress most likely is not Lorraine Gary. Gary is married to Sid Sheinberg, who launched Spielberg's career and was head of Universal Studios. She is also not a bit part actress in the Jaws franchise, she was a lead.

pkelly491 said...

The TV Project was Twilight Zone, which Twilight Zone (the movie) came out in 1983 and was a Spielberg project.

Twilight Zone the rebooted TV show came out in 1985, Judith Barsi was in an episode called "A Little Peace and Quiet". The actress Clare Nono was in that episode, and based on her IMDB page she seems to be a reporter/newscaster in a large amount of the TV credits she was in.

Executive Producer of Twilight Zone series was Philip DeGuere Jr., also getting production credits were Harvey Frand, Ken Swor and James Crocker.

Joseph Sargent was the producer and director of the awful fourth installment of Jaws that Judith was in.

Cail Corishev said...

I don't suppose an A+ list producer could plant a false story in the media about a murder-suicide to keep people from asking too many questions.

So sorting this thing out: S.S. saw her in a screen test while he was consulting on The Twilight Zone, and recommended her to a producer there who raped her. The production company was CBS; not sure how to figure out which producer. A very close friend of S.S., apparently. The S.S. recommended her for a Jaws 3 when she was 9, and she was raped by multiple men there. It never actually says S.S. touched her, but he was passing her around his circle, so....

Liv said...

Bit actress from the franchise who never worked again: Fritzi Jane Courtney who appeared in several Jaws installments as Mr.s Taft, with "The Revenge" being the last.

Actress who warned Judy's mother: Melinda Dillon, who always seems to play "frazzled mother" roles.

Producer of Twilight Show episode: Philip de Guere Jr., who worked on the same show as Spielberg back in the 70s (although they are credited in different years?)

Incidentally: Michael Caine also appeared in Jaws: The Revenge. We know how he allegedly enjoys the younger girls.

beebopcowboy said...

Did anybody else hear the comments Tom Hanks made about separating the artist from the art? it made me queasy...and then I thought of that BIG blind ages ago about a beloved celebrity who was a monster and thought....is this tom hanks? anyway, his words bothered me A LOT.

I mean, this has been implied here and there but - is SPIELBERG a ped0? I was not sure but the last year w/all the blinds Im starting to think he is, and part of the ring - he founded dreamworks w/geffen (along w/another guy).

I always thought it was random michael jackson paid for voodoo to be done for spielberg and geffen, like a hex. I thought, huh, why would he want that so badly for those two? and then there was that neverland ranch blind...and I thought, oh shit.

Itttt said...

Movie is actually Jaws: the Revenge aka Jaws IV, not Jaws 3. Jaws 3 was the 3-D one set at an aquatic park/aquarium (i.e. Marineland/Seaworld). Jaws IV was set (and shot) primarily in the Caribbean with the widow of Chief Brody as the protagonist against the “revenge seeking great white”.

Btw, here is the horrific “refresher course” primer for some of the related blind items referenced in the comments:

“Alleged” Heather O’Rourke (Poultergeist Girl) BI:

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/11/todays-blind-items-molesters-killed-her.html?m=0

“Alleged” major player pedophile/molester BI:

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/11/todays-blind-items-long-time-coming.html?m=0

Cail Corishev said...

So "another producer" would be Sergeant on Jaws: The Revenge. And there's our friend Michael Caine too.

pkelly491 said...

DeGuere was also the producer on Whiz Kids.

We know how innocent all shows with teens in the 80s were.

totaji said...

Which blind reminded you of hanks?

BayAreaGirl said...

@ Cail, given that dad's issues were well documented, an overworked Social Worker would have immediately diagnosed his alcoholism and physical abuse as the cause. Media reports would have followed the Social Worker's trail, so the most of the A+ producer's work was done for him. That's probably why he picked her.

Cail Corishev said...

@beebopcowboy, innocent until proven guilty, and we don't know what kind of proof is behind these blinds, but I think it's becoming one of those things that you kinda know has to be true even if you can't prove it.

Weinstein may figure if he can limit his damage to that first batch, he can make a comeback. It looks like he still has a good PR/threat crew, and he still has his millions. If the outings continue, his offenses of overusing the casting couch and getting pushy with adult females could end up looking quaint by comparison.

ZantiMissKnit said...

This is horrible. One of her first credits was a movie called "Kids Don't Tell", and this is the description given in imdb: "When a documentary-maker begins to make a film about child sexual abuse, the subject begins to eat into him and affect his relationship with those around him, particularly his wife."

Fuck. Can we just burn Hollywood and start over?

Cail Corishev said...

@BayAreaGirl, good point. Unfortunately, services that work with abused children must look like a buffet to predators, if they can find a way to take advantage of it.

shakey said...

@beebopcowboy, there is a young woman (in her 20s?) who claims she was assaulted by Tom Hanks a number of times. Don't know if there's any truth to it but she was ruminating about revealing the details. I would like to think neither Hanks nor Spielberg would do such a thing.

Are there no decent men in Hollywood who would stop this from happening?

Jon said...

Yup.

Cail Corishev said...

@beebopcowboy, there is a young woman named Sarah Ruth Ashcraft who claims to be recovering memories of ritual abuse as she goes through therapy, and it appears she's sharing them on Twitter as they emerge. She's made some pretty wild claims; I'm not making a judgment on whether they're true. But last I heard her memories involving Hanks were incomplete. I'm not much of a Hanks fan, but to me, that's awfully unfair, especially in the current climate. Get your memories straight, then accuse, so they can be defended against. But that's what it's about, if you want to look her up.

BoyWander said...

Yup yup yup. Kids don't tell. J.F.C.

theotherginger said...

So sad... and today, of all days.

SupraFresh said...

"Judith's final film, All Dogs Go to Heaven, in which she provided the speaking voice of Anne-Marie, was released in November 1989.[13] Don Bluth, the director of The Land Before Time and All Dogs Go To Heaven, described her as "absolutely astonishing. She understood verbal direction, even for the most sophisticated situations,"[14] and he intended to feature her extensively in his future productions.[15]"

Don Bluth could be involved

Unknown said...

Maybe Tracy ulman?

nicksauntie said...

Not to be a naysayer, but.... How could anyone know that the dad found out about the abuse and then killed them? When would there have been time for anyone to be told that he was mad at the mom and daughter because of the abuse, and who would have told who?

totaji said...

Simple. The time between her first experience til her death was three years. Maybe he found out 1 month before killing her and threatened the mom who told other people.

TofuCat said...

Wow this is so sad...I loved those two movies when I was a kid. I can’t believe the monstrosities that are happening in Hollywood.

Em Lew said...

Why would the dad blame the daughter, I can understand him blaming another adult but a child for being abused? That is unless they were an already dysfunctional family where the father wasn't exactly balanced either.

GingerGirl said...

I hate the idea of these horrendous things happening to children! How could she go on after something like that?
I still hope the idea of Spielberg and Hanks are wrong. If you throw in Willis and Keaton that's all of my favorite childhood movies.

Cail Corishev said...

The dad could have asked the mom how could she let it happen, and the mom said the daughter was asking for it and liked it, so he blamed her too. Hard to say. In that situation, an already bad-tempered drunk with despair and guilt added on top, he wasn't likely to be rational.

As far as the source: @Rinky's comment says he killed them and then killed himself two days later, so maybe he confided in someone or left a note. Although that surely can't account for the details of exactly which producers did what when. Maybe multiple sources.

plot said...

@beebopcowboy


"Did anybody else hear the comments Tom Hanks made about separating the artist from the art? it made me queasy."

No, not really. Sometimes one can separate the two things, and sometimes one can't. There are great artists who are terrible people but that does not diminish their art. There is no rule on what should make one queasy and what shouldn't. I say, if it bothers you to watch Woody Allen films anymore, don't do it. If you can make the separation between artist and art, well, that's fine too. It's entirely an individual thing.

"this has been implied here and there but - is SPIELBERG a ped0?"

No one really knows since this is just a gossip site. My feeling has been for a long time that Spielberg is mentally very young (like MJ) and makes his movies accordingly. None of them, ever, has an adult feeling to them. At the very best, they are young adult fiction. His obsession for kids (I'm not saying sexual obsession, note) is apparent in his movies and he takes such a childish view of his subjects that it's irritated me for a long time. I haven't seen a Spielberg movie, even on TV, for about 15 years.

Justmytwosense said...

Judith Barsi's death was tragic when I found out she was murdered by her alcoholic and abusive father, but this is so much worse. Between her parents and the horrible Hollywood scum that surrounded her that poor girl had no one. Her life must have been a living hell. I hope the monsters that still alive who did this to her get caught and are brought to justice. An infinity in hell doesn't sound harsh enough for these pesos and rapists.

Jon said...

Ummm...Shindler's List is a children's movie? Jaws? Duel?

Acad said...

It's interesting that the mother got the Child Protective Services investigation stopped. It seems like she didn't want it to go further. If this blind is true and the daughter had been abused on set, this may have been the reason why she had it sopped so that abuse would not come out.

jonesy said...

hi y'all. longtime lurker here.
Judith Barsi
A+ Spielberg
TV producer Spelling
"he loved" Love Boat
"2 hours" The Christmas Cruise 2 part
actress in same role 30 yrs Charo
movie Jaws Revenge
actress who didn't work again Lee Fiero

Bogan said...

Guys - Spielberg had nothing to do with the production of JAWS 4. That was a notoriously shitty movie that everyone involved did for a fat pay check. Speilberg, having already directed ET, RAIDERS, TEMPLE OF DOOM, the first JAWS, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS and others, actually didn't need to head off to participate in the production of a shitty third sequel to a movie he'd directed a decade earlier. Spielberg's name is nowhere on the IMDB production credits for that movie as he had fuck all to do with making it. Nor would he have 'visited the set' to give good wishes or something - he didn't do that with JAWS 2 or JAWS 3, so why in god's name would he have anything to do with JAWS 4? There remains a reasonable chance that he has never even watched that movie.

Having said that, Spielberg had even LESS to do with the 80's era TV production of TWILIGHT ZONE, mentioned by others above as linking him to this blind. The movie production Spielberg was involved in, TWILIGHT ZONE-THE MOVIE, was shot during 1982 and came out in theatres in 1983. Notoriously, Vic Morrow and a couple of kids were killed during the shoot of the opening section, which was directed by John Landis. Spielberg and his entire production team thereafter kept themselves as distant from the production as possible. The DVD and Blu-Ray have no documentaries or interviews. Spielberg never ventures comment about it. Co-Producer Kathleen Kennedy refused to discuss the film for Joseph McBride's unauthorised Spielberg biography. In the book OUTRAGEOUS CONDUCT, the author noted senior production crew from the TWILIGHT ZONE movie deliberately brushed off legal enquiries from the resultant court case by mentioning how they were 'busy' running from airport to airport internationally during production of TEMPLE OF DOOM. Finally, the nasty John Landis court case - where he was sued for the deaths of Morrow and the two kids - remained in the headlines for years, and wasn't settled until 1987. The TWILIGHT ZONE 80's TV show started running in 1985. Following the deaths of the cast members, and in the thick of court publicity, literally the last thing on earth Spielberg wanted to do at that point was have his name associated with the TWILIGHT ZONE franchise.

I dig this blog and read the blinds with interest, but some of you guys need to do some cursory homework before jumping to conclusions.

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just sayin' said...

bogan - every comment on cdan is a guess. we do research, gather evidence and throw out ideas at each other. they're debated, sometimes we never get it right, and most importantly read the disclaimer at the bottom. i get what you're saying, i'm uncomfortable throwing out a name sometimes, but it's the only way to compare notes and try to come up with the right answer.

the first guesses, such as spielberg and the twilight zone, which was my guess, are sometimes hasty and need refinement. but often they end up being right too. i'm glad you're enjoying the site. welcome!

Cail Corishev said...

The blind doesn't say the A+ list director/producer was ever on the set of the movie, or that he was particularly involved in it, only that it was "a project in his sphere" and that he recommended the girl to a producer on it. It also doesn't say that he was involved in the TV show except as a consultant. It says he saw the girl for a screen test, but that could have been done elsewhere, so he may never have been on that set either.

Cursory reading of the blind helps....well, cursory doesn't work for me, actually, I usually have to go through it several times to make heads or tails of it.

Bogan said...

Additional comment.

"So sorting this thing out: S.S. saw her in a screen test while he was consulting on The Twilight Zone..."

As I stated above, Spielberg had nothing to do with the production of the Twilight Zone TV show. He certainly didn't 'consult' on it. Try finding an online link, anywhere, mentioning his name in any production capacity with that TV show. You won't.

"The S.S. recommended her for a Jaws 3 [really, 4] when she was 9"

Spielberg had nothing to do with the production of Jaws 4 [JAWS THE REVENGE}, and likewise wouldn't have been the guy who felt the urge to visit either pre-production or the Bahamas shoot of that movie to recommend that the casting agent offer a role to a 9 year old child while he was busy for months in China shooting EMPIRE OF THE SUN. Try finding an online link mentioning his involvement with ANY of the Jaws sequels. You won't. He did joke in an interview onetime about debating being involved in JAWS 2 prior to the production of that one, but he never bothered. Two sequels later, I find it hard to see how he'd head over to the production offices to enthusiastically recommend they chuck a particular underage girl into the shoot of JAWS 4, a franchise which he's always kept a distance from, beyond making the original movie that Universal pimped out for sequels years later.

Finally

"It never actually says S.S. touched her, but he was passing her around his circle, so...."

I see literally none of Spielberg's associates or regular crew, involved in the production of JAWS 4. Spielberg's 'circle' - who pop up in pretty much all of his productions through the 80's and much of the 90's - were busy working with him elsewhere. The people involved with JAWS 4 aren't from Spielberg's 'circle', and feature tons of names that make you scratch your head and go, 'who?'. The film was produced and directed by Joseph Sargent, who received good reviews for THE TAKING OF PELHAM ONE TWO THREE in 1974, and who directed a lot of anonymous shit for years thereafter. What's the link between those hacks from that movie and Spielberg's Oscar winning production team again? I can't find any.

That said, if someone wants to follow a different route, try this.

Several previous blinds have mentioned that the BLAME IT ON RIO production was notoriously debauched and the cast and director and producer of that one all spent the production fucking underage cast members.

The recent comments thread in another blind for the venerable, heiress actress who paid for some producer to be killed, mentioned that the producer who died was involved with BLAME IT ON RIO.

Michael Caine, from BLAME IT ON RIO, is the lead star actor of JAWS 4. Maybe he had a buddy hanging around that set?

Bogan said...

I don't mean to be antagonistic. I wouldn't be posting these if i wasn't as intrigued as everyone else. This is a good site and I value the detective work done. (I'm also typing these out in a rush in between doing other work). Anyway -

"Cursory reading of the blind helps"

I read the original blind. i agree that a lot of it is deliberately obscure (for obvious reasons).

"only that it was "a project in his sphere" and that he recommended the girl to a producer on it."

Neither JAWS IV nor the TWILIGHT ZONE TV show were in Spielberg's sphere. He had nothing to do with either production. I'm not saying that to be dismissive, just as a factual comment. If anyone has any evidence from any studio press release, anecdote, interview or documentary that he came a mile within either production, feel free to link it. You'd have to look pretty hard to even see him acknowledge the productions existence, let alone that his sphere had anything to do with them.

"It also doesn't say that he was involved in the TV show except as a consultant."

If the person involved in this blind had acted as a 'consultant' to the 80's TV production of TWILIGHT ZONE, then that rules out Spielberg, as Spielberg never acted as a consultant to the 80's TV show production of TWILIGHT ZONE. What was he going to consult with them about? How best to not use his name in association with their show? How to avoid killing cast members when shooting a helicopter scene? How to not mention Spielberg and Amblin during commercials in between network news footage of John Landis having a terrible time in court? Spielberg had nothing to do with the TV show of TWILIGHT ZONE, he certainly didn't 'consult' on it, and if a random journalist had called his studio office to ask for a comment about the TV production, they either would have received a 'no comment' at best or had the receptionist hang up the phone. Spielberg never consulted on the TWILIGHT ZONE TV show and had nothing to do with the production of that series.

totaji said...

It wasn’t jaws 4. It says to fast forward a couple of years later and that she was 9. That makes the year 1987 and the movie would have come out in 88. That makes it possibly the Bluth/Spielberg production.

just sayin' said...

right, "the land before time" was released in '88. says the director wasn't involved on a daily basis, which would make sense for an animated movie. and lucas for the other producer.

Natasha said...

Judith didn't even have a head stone until a couple of years ago.

Threshold said...

First time poster and I can't believe I think I got one before all of you much better sleuthers. The actress who played the same role for 30 years? NANCY CARTWRIGHT the voice of Bart Simpson and also an actress on The Twilight Zone movie.

Katherine Manley said...

Well, that was a rabbit-hole. Somehow I ended up reading about Q on 4Chan /pol - crazy days and nights indeed. I don't know if I believe her though. Cannot wrap my head around it. I had a friend who suffered from bipolar disorder. Depending on the day she was a) taken several times by the "greys" (aliens) or b) used in sexual rituals as a child. Freaked me out. She passed away. Makes me wonder what she would have done/said had she had access to social media.

Bogan said...

Cool. That in mind -

"says the director wasn't involved on a daily basis, which would make sense for an animated movie"

Let's go through it.

"For the very short amount of time the movie was being filmed"

Do they film animated movies on a set with actors and actresses, or do they painstakingly animate them in an animation studio? The latter.

Also -

"For the very short amount of time"

Do animated movies get made in a 'very short amount of time', or do they take years to animate on a shot by shot basis? The latter.

"She pretended to not notice the men taking her daughter to their trailers"

Do animated productions have big crews and stars that require trailers on set and on location, or is this only a requirement of live action films? The latter.

"There was an actress on the set"

Do animated films have 'actresses on the set' - or indeed have any sets at all - or is this only a requirement of live action films? The latter.

"It was shortly after filming wrapped."

Do animated films have filming, with crews, that 'wraps', or this terminology only used with crews on set shooting a live action movie? The latter.

I dig that it's hard to piece this one together, but I'm finding it hard to fit the above quotes, pertinent to a live action shoot with cast and crew, to the animated Bluth/Spielberg production that Barsi would have simply visited an audio post-production studio to record her lines into an audio mic.

Scandi Sanskrit said...

Why do people have children.

BoyWander said...

As an aside, but relative to all this crazy, I have a question- Has anyone seen The BFG? I found it to be creepily allegorical to what's being revealed lately. The names, the imagery-shiver.

Jeannie said...

That quote immediately popped out at me.

Bogan said...

Threshold has kind of solved it, but not in the way that he / she has written.

Here's the solution I think.

"I can't believe I think I got one before all of you much better sleuthers. The actress who played the same role for 30 years? NANCY CARTWRIGHT the voice of Bart Simpson..."

Yep, good one. That's correct, and it's the clue that lets us solve the puzzle.

"and also an actress on The Twilight Zone movie."

But Judith Barsi never worked on the TWILIGHT ZONE movie. Barsi was never on the set of that film, and had nothing to do with that production. Likewise, Spielberg and Lucas had nothing to do with the TWILIGHT ZONE TV show that Barsi worked on. The film and TV show were different entities kept a distance from each other.

However (and this is the solution I think) -

Nancy Cartwright worked on the Tracey Ullman Show, 1987 - 1989, produced by A list director James L. Brooks. Cartwright continued working for years thereafter with Brooks, who later directed hits like AS GOOD AS IT GETS. She would likely have been privy to things going down on the live action set of the Ullman show, which produced by Brooks.

Judith Barsi, before her death, received two screen credits for the Tracey Ullman Show, one (episode 3) in 1987, and one (episode 17) in 1988, suggesting the producers of the show - and James L. Brooks was one - knew her, liked her, and invited her back. Quite something to bring the same very young girl back for two different, unrelated episodes of a network show, over two different years, to play two different, unrelated characters. Why did they specifically request her to come back again?

Threshold said...

@Bogan, I think you're right. I was sure of the Nancy Cartwright guess but no as sure of the Twilight Zone movie.

But if it is Cartwright and Brooks, what does that say about her that she knew this was going on and continued to work with Brooks for 30 years on the Simpsons? Is Scientology behind her silence?

just sayin' said...

bogan - it says only that the director "had an interest" in the first tv show, not that he was "a consultant". he was "consulted" (maybe about casting) because of his "interest". the interest being that he owned the rights to "the twilight zone". judith didn't work on the "twilight zone" movie with the director, but he had seen her, and remembered her, from a screen test.

Mike said...

@Cail

I looked up Joseph Sargent. That guy has a severe pedo mouth. I do believe there is something to that. Two guys tried to get at me when I was a teen and both of them had that mouth.

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Bogan said...

"bogan - it says only that the director "had an interest" in the first tv show, not that he was "a consultant". he was "consulted" (maybe about casting) because of his "interest". the interest being that he owned the rights to "the twilight zone".

I'm not sure how much clearer I need to make it that Spielberg had less than zero involvement with the TV show, but, specifically --

"the interest being that he owned the rights to "the twilight zone"."

Spielberg doesn't own the rights to The Twilight Zone. The original series premiered in 1959, when Spielberg was 13 years old, and he didn't own the rights then - CBS Universal owned the rights. He didn't own the rights when the 1982 movie was made - CBS Universal (still) owned the rights. He didn't own the rights when the 1985 TV show was made. CBS (yet again) owned the rights. They've always owned the rights. Spielberg has never owned them, he didn't own the rights when the TV show was made, and he doesn't own them now. If I Google TWILIGHT ZONE I get a dozen Wikipedia articles mentioning the show's continual ownership by CBS, and if I Google 'STEVEN SPIELBERG BUYS TWILIGHT ZONE RIGHTS" I get nothing whatsoever as he has never bought the rights, never wanted to, and never needed to, as CBS Universal hired him to be the director of the film, not the other way around. When CBS Universal continued on (after the problematic film adaptation) to make the 80's show, the rights were still with them, just as they'd always been. They'd never relinquished the rights, they'd always owned the rights, and they didn't need to sell the rights to Spielberg at any point as they didn't need to sell them to make the movie, and he didn't need to buy the rights as CBS - the people who were hiring him - already owned them.

Barsi's TWILIGHT ZONE (TV show) episode was directed by Wes Craven, who later became a big director with the SCREAM franchise. STARLOG magazine followed the production of the 80's TWILIGHT ZONE TV show in detail, and covered stuff like the aborted episode that was to be directed by Harlan Ellison. Bruce Willis co-starred in the other ('Shatterday') episode that was directed by Craven alongside Barsi's piece. Spielberg was never mentioned in publicity at the time of the TV show remake - and is never mentioned in relationship to its production now - as he had fuck all to do with the production, was never credited, didn't own the rights, had distanced himself from Landis following the legal shitstorm, and had his staff refuse to answer questions when asked (in person) by author Joseph McBride. If he didn't own the rights, had no credit, had no role in production, was purposefully distancing himself from the franchise when asked, had no creative role, and had nothing to do with the making of the show, why would anyone be approaching him about the casting of a single juvenile female role (sixth down the list of cast members for the episode) which would have been up to Wes Craven (the director), Philip DeGuere Jr. (the producer), and CBS Universal?




just sayin' said...

maybe you're right bogan. i assumed that anything spielberg worked on, he'd own the rights to, or maybe i should say the option on? i'm not a hollywood person. the imdb gives great research material...who are you thinking this is about?

how sad is this? judith barsi as an abused 7-yr-old on "cagney and lacey"

Scott Lawrence said...

Completely off topic, but it seems superperv Terry Richardson is gonna be the next scalp! Go to Foxnews and there is a story of him forcing oral sex on a model!

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Bogan said...

Have to leave this for now but, (final observation) --

Really, guys like Spielberg and Lucas - both wealthy billionaires - could financially afford to buy their own private islands, fly overseas, stock them with underage kids, and pay off a substantial security force and corrupt police department to keep things buried if they were that keen to screw minors. I've never seen convincing evidence that they've done any such thing. Lucas currently seems to have a thing for attractive black women, and Spielberg (as mentioned in a couple of showbiz biographies) made hay through the 70's enjoying himself with big titted starlets like Victoria Principal before marrying an actress (Amy Irving), then marrying another actress (Kate Capshaw). McBride makes a good argument in his book that the recurrent kids themes in Spielberg's films comes from the director's experiences with his own absent father, and children being forced to fend and survive on their own, facing a future with only their own courage and bravery. Go look at the final heartbreaking shot of ET - Henry Thomas looking ahead to his own future - to really feel that sink in.

However - LOWER LEVEL producers, who weren't billionaires, and who had an interest in minors, would seek to make the most out of opportunities offered by 'willing' parents like the one described in this blind. I think if you look at the final few years of Barsi's career, the names and people that treated her badly will be floating around.

Cartwright sharing a series with Barsi, and being listed as an actress on the 'episode' that caused trouble, suggests the folks might be in Brooks' circle, rather than Spielbergs. It's just guesswork, obviously.

Cail Corishev said...

@Bogan, no antagonism detected here. For what it's worth, I just go with my reading of the blind and start throwing out possibilties that seem to fit. I don't pretend any of them are certain, and I don't mind if I'm wrong. That's why I used initials in this case, actually.

I wouldn't know how to determine that someone didn't serve at all as a consultant for a show. You seem pretty confident about that. Hopefully all our different perspectives together get at the right answer.

Bogan said...

The CAGNEY AND LACEY episode linked by 'Just Sayin' has Barsi - described in this blind as an abused child - being cast to play an abused child on TV. Jeez, who thought of that casting coup? "We need someone to play an abused girl." "Hey, I know just the actress, she'd be perfect for this role...". Yikes.

Out of the seven producers listed on Barsi's episode, Dick Reilly has the most 'colourful' filmography. He worked on THE LOVE BOAT, STARSKY AND HUTCH, and VEGAS - all trashy shows with a regular cast of cute actresses - and also supervised LITTLE LADIES OF THE NIGHT, a 1977 TV movie about underage hookers. CAGNEY AND LACEY was his final series. He was probably approaching retirement age when he worked on Barsi's episode.

Anonymouse said...

How sad! I never knew about Judith Barsi...I knew her name but I assumed she was an older person doing the voices in those Don Bluth movies (I typically hated child voices, but hers was so cute and well-acted I assumed "not a kid), I would never have guessed she was my age, and she was murdered by her dad. She was so talented!

Bogan said...

"I wouldn't know how to determine that someone didn't serve at all as a consultant for a show."

In many cases it would be tough to do so. In Spielberg's case, with that franchise, it's a lot easier to determine. I'm pretty familiar with the production of the TV show too. Willis was good in his SHATTERDAY episode. The Harlan Ellison episode was to be based on a fairly inflammatory script by Ellison, where Ed Asner was going to play a racist Santa who visits an African-American household, and tells the nice kids that they don't deserve any presents because they're black. The network had cold feet at the last minute, pulled the pin, and Ellison (a name writer for the series) left the show. The TWILIGHT ZONE 80's series pulled off some great episodes though. In SHATTERDAY (based on the Ellison story) Willis calls his own home phone number by accident, and hears his own voice answering. Willis goes home, confronts himself, and the doppleganger finally takes over, leaving the house to take over Willis's life. Another nasty episode, THE ELEVATOR, was based on a Bradbury story with two guys learning that their late uncle had invented a growth hormone for animals, and has a grim punchline that still gives you chills if you watch it on Youtube. A Wes Craven episode deals with a woman who can freeze and unfreeze time. When the epsiode ends, she freezes time when air raid sirens reduce her husband and son to screaming tears. When she goes outside, alone, she sees the nuke in the sky, poised at her neighbourhood, which will land if she ever unfreezes things again. Very spooky stuff.

Spielberg was heavily involved in a rival series around the same time though. AMAZING STORIES, on rival network NBC - which, after it screened, was heavily criticised for having slick direction, expensive production detail, and really bland, lame, toothless scripts.

Opinions, Schmopinions said...

If you image search her, lots of pics of her and Heather o'rourke come up. Ugh.

Cail Corishev said...

So if we take The Tracey Ullman Show as the TV show, how do the other pieces fit into place? (Going back to read the damn blind a couple more times....)

Well, she was 9/10 years old then, near her death. The blind indicates she "met" that producer of the TV show when she was 7, at least two years before her death ("fast foward two years" to the movie). Not a good fit there. It doesn't say what "list" the TV producer was, so that's not a problem.

That means the movie couldn't be two years after the TV show, because she was already dead. If we assume Enty lied about the two year span (I don't like to do that, because then you could throw out any bit, making the whole exercise pointless as I see it, but for now...) then the movie could still be Jaws 4 or something else. I agree that an animated movie doesn't fit the scenario well.

Regarding the TV show, the blind says there was "a similar type project, but not for television." That fit the Twilight Zone movie, but it could have a different meaning. Other TV shows she was on at about age 7 were Jessie (she would have been 5 or 6), The Fall Guy (6 or 7), and then a bunch in 1986 when she could have been 7 or 8: Remington Steele, Punky Brewster (seems like that's been mentioned here before), Trapper John, M.D., Cheers, Cagney & Lacey, The New Gidget, and The Loveboat.

So, any ideas on what "similar type project" might be related to any of those, occuring before them? Were any of them preceded by movies or other tie-ins, the way The Twilight Zone was? Nothing's coming to mind, but I didn't watch all those.

Whatever show it was, maybe it was a different director/producer who wasn't officially connected to it. If the two producers knew each other through their....hobby....it could have been like, "Hey, I'm going to be screen testing some girls next week, wanna come 'consult'?" Might not have been a very official thing or have lasted long.

just sayin' said...

not relevant to the blind but interesting: spielberg's directorial debut was on rod serling's "night gallery", his follow up to "the twilight zone".

Bogan said...

Hang on a sec. Something to ponder.

The only other actress that fits the 'same role for nearly three decades' description is Nancy Cartwright's co-star, Yeardley Smith. Smith played Lisa Simpson on that show, and still plays her now.

Yeardley Smith has appeared on two different shows that Barsi appeared on. Smith was on the Tracey Ullman Show, just as Cartwright was. Smith also appeared on the ABC Afterschool Specials, a long running show with numerous juvenile roles that ran for nearly three decades. Barsi appeared on the Ullman show, and the ABC Afterschool Specials series, near the end of her life.

So it could be either Yeardley Smith, or Nancy Cartwright. Hey, Smith and Cartwright - don't have a cow, dude! Tell us who the pedo producers were.

GoogleSleuth said...

WAIT WAIT WAIT. Could the actress in the same role for 30 years be Andrea Barber? AKA Kimmy Gibbler? She and Judith share three mutual credits (“The Twilight Zone” series, “Growing Pains”, and a TV movie called “Do You Remember Love?”), and Andrea’s mom even wrote a piece about their deaths in the LA Times shortly after they occurred.

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-09-18/news/vw-2980_1_family-tragedy

That might explain how some of this information is coming to light...

Bogan said...

It could be Andrea Barber, sure. Good sleuthing.

Producer Dick Reilly, who I mentioned above, also worked on FANTASY ISLAND, which Andrew Barber appeared on when she was 7 years old.

I feel sorry for every actress who has to encounter shitheads in the entertainment industry. They all deserve much better.

Bogan said...

Barsi died half a year after Heather O'Rourke. It wouldn't surprise me if the creeps they encountered during their careers as child actors knew each other, or were the same people.

Bogan said...

Just noticed - Andrea Barber, the pretty actress who had been friends with Barsi, also appeared on DAYS OF OUR LIVES for a few years running as a very young actress. An earlier blind suggested that the DAYS OF OUR LIVES cast suffered particularly badly at the hands of abusive producers. If somebody runs through the extended careers of the DAYS OF OUR LIVES producers, they might be able to link them to some of the productions that Barsi had appeared in.

Threshold said...

@Bogan, here's the thing, you might be taking the word "interest" too figuratively to mean financial interest. Perhaps the "interest" is merely creative or passing. Spielberg could have a creative interest in the Twilight Zone show because he helped make the Twilight Zone movie. Remember the A+ director made something similar, but not a tv show. Just a thought.

GoogleSleuth said...

Wasn’t there a Jodi Sweetin blind/reveal lately too?

GoogleSleuth said...

(just another Andrea Barber connection to recent blinds, in case that seemed out of the blue)

Threshold said...

@Cail Corishev, I was thinking along the same lines in terms of the show that was her big break. However, I was thinking "Fatal Vision". It aired November 1984, when she was roughly 6.5 years old, which would be "about 7 years old." The star power of the show at the time would have been notable for a new actress: Karl Malden,Eva Marie Saint, and Andy Griffith. I think the franchise movie is definitely Jaws the Revenge. It's the only thing she did that fits that description. It was released "a few years" after her big break, if it was either Fatal Vision or Twilight Zone the series. Just an alternative data point to look into.

Proverbs 16:33 said...

@bogan: I’m kind of new here myself, as a commenter anyway, and I find your comments here to be thought-provoking. But just for the sake of discussion, let me just throw out a “devil’s advocate” scenario and see what people think.

Let’s pretend that the general scenario that has been advocated - that is, the allegation there is a pedo ring(s) operating in Hollywood - is true. I feel pretty confident that this could be true, given what we’ve heard concerning ‘tween actors, who tend to either talk or act out potentially dangerously & publicly if victimized, now and historically. The sheer weight of the accusations is pretty creepy. Also, I personally would believe anything about Hollywood, because I do believe there is a seamy underbelly that is Sodom x Gomorrah x Babylon x the sh1ttier areas of Bangkok.

So, suppose there is a “ring”, in which the same evil people pass around and share victims. If this is true, then almost literally ANY A+/A list producer/director/exec could show up on any set with the story, “Hey, I had a meeting today and thought I’d stop by and see how things were going with you”. Story for gossipy consumption on set, but a wink, wink, nudge, nudge to a fellow ring member. Ring member and A lister head off for a nice, innocent, brief coffee break, “Never mind us, just a little networking, nothing to see here.” Then A-lister shares pedo info with fellow ring member. That way, no particular evidence of collusion, “consulting”, producer/director credits, etc. Maybe pedo ring casting director gets a bug in his ear about a particular child actor who is “fun” (gag), and compliant, and threatened into silence.

Of course, if the above is true, then as I said, almost anyone is possibly culpable. But if an individual had some kind of insider information (word does get around among assholes, and then spreads to semi-outsiders (people like lawyers who are paid to stfu, wives, mistresses, etc), and then a guy like our host here is able to narrow down gossipy hinting or outright statements of guilt (which possibly ought to be reported as per law, but could get a dude the equivalent of Vince Fostered in a major way), providing just enough hints to get people like us with no lives (lol) thinking, and perhaps getting a ball rolling in the direction of, if possible in Hollywood, honest LE (I’m sure there are some. Or perhaps someone with insider knowledge gives info to our host, or someone who knows our host, and then legally it all truly is hearsay gossip.

What do you guys think of that?

Threshold said...

Additionally, Twilight Zone the Series was greenlit in 1984, fitting the blind's description of an upcoming tv show if her big break also occurred in late 1984 (Fatal Vision)with Twilight Zone the Series not airing until September 1985.

Bella said...

Could be Aaron Spelling - Love Boat producer

mario said...

You guys are fucking idiots if you think anything this man writes is true. "enty" has a disclaimer that says "CRAZY DAYS AND NIGHTS IS A GOSSIP SITE. THE SITE PUBLISHES RUMORS, CONJECTURE, AND FICTION. IN ADDITION TO ACCURATELY REPORTED INFORMATION, CERTAIN SITUATIONS, CHARACTERS AND EVENTS PORTRAYED IN THE BLOG ARE EITHER PRODUCTS OF THE AUTHOR’S IMAGINATION OR ARE USED FICTITIOUSLY."

The guy blatantly admits to writing fiction yet you idiots take all the bullshit fan fiction he writes as fact.

just sayin' said...

so why are you here, mario?

Unknown said...

I remembered this well because I went to school with Judy at Nevada Avenue elementary in Canoga Park (later West Hills) we also went to school with the Cameron kids (Kirk,Candace,Bridget, Melissa) Candace was a grade or two above me and Judy was one below me and my older sisters went to school with the older sisters. Kirk was already working pretty steadily by then so he didn't attend regular school. My mom used to babysit the younger Cameron kids before they hit it really big with Growing Pains and Full House while their mom would take Kirk to auditions. This was also before they were all crazy religious. When I went to school with Candace she was in Some kind of wonderful and other smaller stuff and just becoming known. Judy also used to appear in the Baby kicky commercials, which were huge at the time. She was quite and kept to herself for the most part but sweet. She was really cute. After her father killed her and her mother and burned down the house it was rumored that many people in the neighborhood were aware that he was abusive to his wife and Judy butvthat may have just been some Monday morning Quarterbacking. I was young when it happened only 10 so I just eavesdropped on adult conversations. I can't say I ever noticed anything but I like I said was young and my own dad was an abusive asshole so I'm not sure I would have anyway.

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Danielle Williams said...

Just read Wiki...this little girl was pulling out her eyelashes & the cats whiskers. The mom convinced the therapists to not call CPS knowing this child was abused emotionally & physically! I believe this blind. That mother was a sicko!

totaji said...

Bogan, Lucas’ and Spielberg’s wealth does not mean anything. If you want to just rely on logic, how about: not diddling kids because it’s illegal. Obviously people did/do it, so here we are. Even if Spielberg didn’t touch a kid, so many of the people he worked with did. He’s one of the few people with clout who could have, should have did something.

OB said...

He came over from the Datalounge, which is inaccessible at this time

just sayin' said...

datalounge is down for me too, as is only msnbc out of all stations on my time warner spectrum tv app. feeling like the loss of net neutrality issue is already effecting us. and speaking of conspiracy theories, "wormwood", the hybrid doc/drama about mk ultra is on netflix today. i love you cdan, but wormwood calls.

SDaly said...

totaji --

Your comment reflects where I am on these issues. A lot of kids who have worked with Spielberg seem to have been abused. He was such a big name, with enormous power, for so long, that I would expect him to have offered advice and/or protection to the parents / kids he worked with. But that doesn't seem to have happened. Why not?

Rollagal said...

Bogan is fiercely defending Spielberg. Steven is that you??

just sayin' said...

right, rollagal? to bogan, it's anyone BUT spielberg. apparently he hasn't been following the rumors for the past forever years in hollywood. please don't tell me you think you really think you can convince us, bogan?

and one more time, my favorite seth macfarlane clue:
The Goonies Remake - American dad

Cail Corishev said...

I Am Not A Lawyer, but I wonder if a disclaimer and the blind format would really be much of a defense against libel on posts like these if they were fiction. I think an A+ list team of lawyers would come through that like a hot knife through butter, pointing out how quickly the commenters often settle on certain names as proof that the blogger intended that result and provided enough clues to ensure it. But again, IANAL.

@Bogan may be a Spielberg fan, but I appreciate his devil's advocacy regardless of his motives. Correct answers will stand up to scrutiny and be better for it.

Cail Corishev said...

@Threshold, I missed Fatal Vision because it was a miniseries, but it did have 2 episodes, so it could fit if there's a "similar type project" that goes with it.

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Anonymous said...

Judith Barsi was mentioned by Tyler Henry in Hollywood Medium when reading Tracey Gold. Apparently Tracey's father was Judith's agent and paid for her funeral because she had no other family.

Judith Barsi played a younger version of Tracey Gold's character in "Growing Pains".

BoyWander said...

Whoa. Whoa. Hold up. I just watched a bunch of clips on YT of ADGTH. One of my favs as a kid. I've never seen such blatant sexual acts hidden in plain site. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. Also, CS replaced BR in all dogs 2. Welcome to Charlie's Place indeed!

Urthor said...

Yeah boys I think we have to admit it, Enty reckons Spielberg's a pedo and given the photos at Neverland of him, I think it's safe to say that Spielberg is one of the bad guys, sorry if you liked Schindler's list.


I doubt this will ever come to the light of day. It's taken a heap of accusations to get Singer where hs is, Spielberg would be harder than Geffen.

LucidDreams said...

Bogan has more than thought this thru, from the time the original blind was posted ALL of that research was done?
Bogan knows way too much.
That was some kind of defense.

DaniGirl said...

Also, he keeps referring to her as Barsi. I find that odd given her age, and impersonal to the point of disturbing given the circumstances.

atd8vii said...

I do believe that the blind is referring to Spielberg/Twilight Zone/ Jaws Revenge. However, it doesn’t mean it’s entirely true. Bogan does bring up some good points, but as I believe here that it is implying him as more of an enabler and not actually a participant.

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