Conrad Murray Found Guilty
Conrad Murray was just found guilty of involuntary manslaughter of Michael Jackson. I don't think I expected anything less than guilty. Discuss.
Monday, November 07, 2011
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51 comments:
I approve the decision.
Conrad shouldn't have administered those drugs outside a medical facility, and should have refused to become Michael Jackson's personal pusher.
I think it was the right verdict. Doctors need to start taking care of their patients and not giving the patient whatever they want.
But I will say that I'm actually surprised hew as found guilty. I'm pretty jaded at this point with the judicial system.
It'll get overturned. At least it would in my state. The prosecutor using the "look at these poor children without a dad" will be one grounds for appeal. Maybe not in CA, I dunno about their courts specifically, but in my state, you can't use emotion like that to secure a conviction.
If it were a civil case, MJ would have been at least half responsible. Had it been anyone but MJ, as the defense said, this wouldn't have been a trial.
No bail until sentencing either! The judge is pretty stern on the fact that Murray is accused of homicide, not accidental death, but criminal negligence. No bail. Formal sentencing on Nov. 29th. Wow.
Okay, that's nuts - why would the judge think he's a danger to the public?
Because he's a licenced medical provider who is now accused of murder. If he is out on bail, he could still treat patients until his licence is suspended.
But the judge mentioned that - he said he was a danger to the public apart from practicing medicine. Or maybe I misunderstood what he was saying.
He's also now at flight risk because he's a convicted homicide felon.
But it seems that if sentenced, he would spend about 2 years total under house arrest because of crowding.
Seems like a fair verdict to me. Propofol should never be administered in someone's home. NEVER!
I think Michael Jackson himself was every it as culpable as Dr. Murray was for his death. I agree with the jury's decision, but let's be real here. Michael had the money, Murray had the means.
Now if they can just lay charges against all the plastic surgeons who kept operating on him...
Scapegoat.
"Scapegoat."
Seriously? His actions led directly to Michael's death. If I go up to someone and ask them to shoot me in the head, I'd hope they'd go to jail if they went along with it.
Good. If anything, this should be a warning to other "doctors for hire".
A certified doctor should not act as a pusher. His responsibility towards Michael was to direct him to rehab pronto, not accept $125K a week to ply him with drugs.
I agree that MJ was just as responsible. But this guy is culpable as well.
Murray was just the gun Jackson used to kill himself with. The propofol was the bullet. But it was Jackson who sought out Murray and his bullet, and decided to (figuratively) hold it to his head.
But if Murray pulled the trigger shouldnt he be responsible for it?
Michael Jackson wanted the propofol but it was Dr. Murray that gave it to him. It is the medical practitioner's responsibility to act appropriately ... which he didn't do. If Dr. Murray had said No, MJ would have found someone else, but it would have been someone ELSE's license and not Dr. Murray's. It's a shame how foolish this man was for money and now he's lost his medical license and can not work as a doctor.
No, the gun was the IV, the propofol was the bullet, and Murray pulled the trigger. He was no passive bystander, he deliberately broke the law and medical ethics for the sake of a paycheck.
Too bad MJ won't be held responsible in this case, and yes obviously he is dead but geez the guy was an all out drug addict. What galls me is his family supports him now just as they always have because he was the money maker, none of them helped him or his addictions, to me they were all enablers.
The one thing I totally disagreed about this case was the judge not allowing other doctors with whom MJ asked for Propophy and the other doctors that gave him drugs and the ones who did "procedures" in their offices so MJ could get his fix. I think all of those doctors should have been allowed to come in and testify about his addictions. But then again, those doctors could be charged too, several of them did un-necessary procedures, but they did not get into trouble.
This case was and is a mess, imo.
ITA with Rita
A certified doctor should not act as a pusher. His responsibility towards Michael was to direct him to rehab pronto, not accept $125K a week to ply him with drugs.
This was an accident waiting to happen, a doctor never should have done this in someone's home ever.
He'll be sentenced to a year of partying at home?
He was sunk the minute he withheld stunningly important information that was relevant to treatment from the responding EMTs and ER, when he finally called for help. Those actions directly contributed to the death of his patient, no reasonable doubt about that.
Glad it was GUILTY
I can't help but feel sad for Mrs Jackson.
well, it's nice to know that there are still 12 people who can hear evidence and reach the right decision. i was beginning to wonder...
What is important is that he never practices medicine again in this country.
His baby mama's need to go get a job now the gravy train is over.
He was just too negligent in all of this to walk away from the charges. His actions were just awful and truly unprofessional. But, Michael was a true addict and is responsible for hiding and lying to so many people who tried to help. He thought he knew better than everyone else and it cost him his life. : (
This case never would have been picked up by the DA had the Jackson family not pushed so hard in the media. Take away Murray's medical license. This should have been a case between the medical board and disgraced incompetent physician and civil malpractice case between the family and the physician, not a criminal case.
At what point do people accept that Michael Jackson played a very large part in his own destiny? Why are we sanctifying a drug addict?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Conrad Murray's a good guy or anything, but he's not a threat to society as long as his medical license is revoked.
@Mooshki - I agree with you. If anything, I think the public is more of a danger to Murray than the other way around. Who knows how people might react to him if he were walking around out on bail, till sentencing.
I definitely think Conrad Murray was negligent, and obviously should never have done what he did. It's no secret that other doctors supplied Michael with drugs, but Murray had the misfortune to have Michael die on his watch, and ended up being the fall guy. I'm sure a lot of doctors were thinking "there but for the grace of God go I."
Am I supposed to know who this guy is?
I hope that this verdict sends a message to all of the doctors out there that just continue to prescribe dangerous medications to patients that they know are addicted. It is against the oath that they take. I don't care that the "patient will just find another doctor to give it to them" then let that doctor take the heat. If more doctors would stop pushing the pills something might change. And I say this as an addict who has been clean for almost 3 years now. I can't say the same for my husband. His doctor knows he's addicted to pain pills and has cut him off before for abusing them. It's all over his medical charts in fact, but his doctor turned around and prescribed him more pain killers this summer. Is it my husband's ultimate responsibility? Yes it is. BUT his medical doctor who knows of the history of abuse is also culpable of wrong doing. It is absolutely crazy that doctors don't seem to be paying attention.
Want another example? I had a very bad case of the flu last month and ended up in the emergency room for severe dyhdration. When they were asking me all of my symptoms one of them was body aches (pretty darned normal with the flu right?). They wanted to know if I wanted to have some morphine for the bodyaches. MORPHINE!!! I looked at the doctor and nurse and said no it's not that big of a deal, my bigger concern was stopping the vomiting and keeping fluids down. The nurse then asked if I would like some Tylenol and I said that was fine. Afterwards I looked at my friend (who is also an addict in recovery) in disbelief and said "can you believe that? no wonder there are so many people addicted to prescriptions now." It is crazy!
@NewLife - congrats on your being clean for 3 years. And wish your husband to wake up and get help.
And yes, I believe you, Health care "professionals" are just not that anymore. Just give a pill, prescribe a drug, give a shot, just so the patient shuts up and goes away.
Nowadays, good doctors are very few and far between, and we unfortunately need to be more informed before accepting any medical treatments. That is why more and more like Murray need to be made accountable for their acctions. Not saying though that all doctors are bad, but they are becoming quite the rare specimen.
Little Miss Smoke and Mirrors said...
2:32 PM
Everything you said.
Exactly Rita! We, as patients, need to question our doctors, but the doctors need to stop and listen to their patients and realize when red flags are going up. It's not like it's a huge secret that so many people are becoming addicted to pain pills. It really is an epidemic and the doctor's do have some responsibility in this.
ITA with Little Miss Smoke and Mirrors.
@ Snakeoiler: Seriously?
@little miss smoke and mirrors.
agreed.
Too bad MJ couldn't have been on Celebrity Rehab.
Little Miss Smoke and Mirrors FTW.
And under a bridge that slimey troll Dr. Klein breathes a sigh of relief.
@NLaA, Have read your comments before and thought of you often. You are incredibly strong and wise, and i'm so glad you've got friends who are in recovery. I know your husband has recently had problems. I believe you will stay on your path now and know it can do nothing but help your husband. Best wishes to you and some {{hugs}}, too.
Oh, and "but for" Conrad Murray's actions, including the use of Propofol, MJ wouldn't have died at the time he did. Maybe he would have died earlier or later under the care of some other doctor, but it wouldn't have been under Murray's watch as someone else pointed out.
I am amazed & disgusted by the attention some drug - addled pedophile still gets in death. That LA would spend one dime prosecuting his dealer seems ridiculous-and the prison sentence will be what? 4 hours? Strip this quack of his medical license & be done w/it. We should all be happy there's one less pedophile buying & stalking children in this world. The money spent prosecuting this quack could've established a fund for all of MJ's victims to get the help they will need from being molested. I hope MJ's kids can eventually get away from that toxic family & get the help they will so desperately need too.
Not everyone thinks Michael Jackson was a pedophile, blondgossip. Just FYI.
Look, anyone who doesn't believe MJ was a pedophile is deluding themselves and disrespecting the victims.
If you say so.
I was surprised he was found guilty but happy about the verdict. I figured he'd get off.
why is the drug dealer responsible for the junkie?
when the drug dealer is a Dr. and swore a hypocratic oath to First Do No Harm.
And I seem to have heard something about drug dealers getting harsher sentences than users? /sarcasm
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