Friday, June 05, 2009

Let's Talk David Carradine


I need to start off by saying I think the death of David Carradine was an accident. I think the most likely explanation is the one I first thought of when I heard how he had been found and that he died of autoerotic asphyxiation. It makes the most sense to me. Today and yesterday there have been theories that he committed suicide. The reasons range from the fact he was depressed to that he was desperate for money. I don't think he was so desperate for money that he would commit suicide. David was still able to generate a significant income through movies and appearances and I also think he knew enough people where he could raise a significant amount of money quickly.

What I think is happening now is that his team is trying to cloud the issue and make the death questionable as to how it occurred. His manager said that his hands were found tied behind his back. What that does is get everyone to think it may have been foul play. Why would anyone want to kill David Carradine? Plus, there have been no reports from the Thai police suggesting that his hands were tied behind his back and the maid who found him never said that either.

There was another report that Thai police now say the death was "suspicious." However, that is not in any of the official reports from the scene. I think what his team is hoping is to raise questions as to how he died so that way people will not focus on the way he most likely died. Maybe they are embarrassed or want him to be remembered in other ways. Whatever the reason, I think they are trying to advance those possibilities so people will always speculate.

I think instead of trying to spin the way he died, that instead, they should be focused on a career that lasted over 50 years. A career where everyone still knew his name and the movies in which he appeared. Celebrate the life and don't try and spin the death.

52 comments:

MontanaMarriott said...

Uhm if you are found hung with your hands tied behind your back, then how the hell did you manage to hang yourself??? Also AEA does not involve tying up your genitals, only your throat so not sure about that one.

Lucky777 said...

It's sad that "autoerotic asphyxiaton" is the lesser of two evils. Don't read into that the wrong way...either is horrible. I was shocked when I originally read the story.

valerie said...

I think he accidentally died during some BDSM sex play. Not good publicity for Carradine or the Thai sex industry.

AnonMom said...

I agree, Montana Marriott

Ms Cool said...

It has gotten ugly and there is no turning back. Call me boring but I don't get it at all.

Marisa said...

What's with the growing popularity of this practice? How does someone even get into this? Also, what the hell is wrong with a regular old orgasm? Is something more really worth STRANGLING yourself?

Marion said...

well said, enty !

MontanaMarriott said...

They claim the loss of oxygen makes your orgasm super explosive, well honey what I say to that is HOLD YOUR BREATHE while climaxing if you want the rush, its easier and safer than hanging yourself with a noose, lol

nancer said...

ok, i dated a homicide detective so i know how this can work----he had a few cases of autoerotic asphyxiation.
1 that i recall involved the hands being tied. this one guy filmed himself during his sessions and part of the fantasy was being tied up. he had a way of slipping the knots at the last minute and that one last time, it didn't work, he couldn't get loose and he ended up strangling himself to death.

not saying that happened here or didn't happen here, but i AM saying that bondage can be part of the fantasy and it can go wrong, because i know for a fact that's happened.

Rocket Queen said...

My father committed suicide and I feel such anger every time a report comes out and "close family and friends" say their loved one "would never commit suicide". The fact is, you just. don't. know. that. I hate that there is such shame associated with having someone die that way, and I get so upset with this arrogance that someone thinks they know someone well enough to "know" they would never do that. You DON'T know.
*deep breath*
ok. I also read this morning that there may have been a rope tied around his genitals. If his hands WERE tied behind his back, someone was probably engaging in play with him and then cowardly left the scene. Not cool.

Mooshki said...

Marisa, when I was in fourth grade (age 9!!!) all the guys at my school were into it. I didn't know at the time about the sexual aspect, they just would go into the bathroom for a while and said they held their breath until they passed out, and that it "felt good."

This is very interesting, from The Smoking Gun about his 2001 divorce:

"In a sworn declaration... Marina accused Carradine of 'deviant sexual behavior which was potentially deadly'"

I find this all very interesting, but it doesn't detract at all from his work for me. He was a unique and talented guy.

guinea said...

someone had to tie him up? So they need to find either the little boy practicing his boy scout knots or the little girl that was going to use the money David paid her to buy hello kittie stickers.

kittenkeane said...

The thing that I love about this is he was still getting wild and wooly in the sack at 70-something~ a tough act that many men his age couldn't follow...

Lisa (not original) said...

This could have been some type of Tantric practice. If they are gonna spin it, they need to consider that this was a spiritual experience that ended tragically. He was very involved in Eastern philosophies, so this makes the most sense to me.

kittenkeane said...

and RocketQueen, I totally agree with you~ it's the ones who want to be prevented that talk about doing it....the ones who don't keep up a facade~ I had 2 friends that committed suicide back in HS and NOone would have guessed, and needless to say we went over every conversation with them to see if any hints or indications were present~ none were.

vamp said...

auto-erotic asphyxiation is the heroin of sex acts- how do you get to the point of trying it let alone needing it!

kittenkeane said...

should be: "the ones who dont, keep up a facade of everything is fine"

Audrey said...

Just like Michael Hutchence. Sad but that's the risk you take when playing with fire.

Babs said...

Not that this event / topic is in any way funny, BUT...

a big LOL @ Marisa - "... what the hell is wrong with a regular old orgasm?"

AMEN!

Pookie said...

ditto Marisa!

i also think his people are in full spin mode. wow. this is a tough one to spin tho.

BigMama said...

It is my understanding that he was a method actor, with that in mind, I have decided that he had just taken a role where the character participated in "unusual" sexual acts. In an effort to understand the character, he forgot to take the proper precauctions (assuming such a thing exists) and had an unfortunate accident. This is what I will be telling myself in order to allow myself to continue thinking he was the coolest dude out there.....ever. RIP and much sympathy to the family...

Grace said...

Crazy Paul Yates spread the untrue story of Michael Hutchence and how he died.

Jewels said...

I thought the same thing as Audrey... I once dated a guy who was into AEA. Into doing it TO his partners, not on himself. I'm happy he was frank enough to tell me before the act, so I could surreptitiously look at my watch and go "Hey, look at the time! I really gotta go! Buh-bye!"

Heather said...

The crazy gossip chaos is not just about remembering him for his career, rather than the potentially embarrassing way he died. It's also about life insurance. If he was working on a film, chances are he was insured, and they probably won't pay out if it's a suicide.

selenakyle said...

I immediately assumed it was AEA.

(No offense! but...)I think it's a bit naive to think it was anything but that.

And his hands were likely tied by the person who fled scared when they realized it went too far.

It's not really foul play if the other person was getting paid to help and participate.

The closet was probably the only place they could rig it up.

I've never done it but I believe there are various ways to do it.

All this aside, I'm sorry for the family and for his name being besmirched however he died, if it was something sinister and/or kinky.

He was a super cool guy who will definitely be missed.

selenakyle said...

also, I just remembered...apparently some people do the genitals too because that British news guy not too long ago--the tall thin guys still on cable news now and then, Richard somebody I think--anyway, he was caught not too long ago all fucked up and stumbling around with a "rig" on underneath his clothes.

Peeps is kinky, y'all!

LauraM said...

I don't understand the whole autoerotic ashpyiation thing. But hey, there's a lot of people out there that are into sick stuff for whatever reason. That's just the way it is. And it's funny, because they're into, yet it's embarassing to them specially if you're in showbiz. Ironic, right?
Anyway, I agree with Enty once again. Amen to that and Keith, Enty.

Lisa (not original) said...

Why is it embarassing for him to have died participating in a sex act? I truly don't understand the need to spin this at all. Did he at least get to climax before he passed? Enquiring minds want to know THAT.

Reverend Ramona said...

I have no comment on how he died, because it's not my business, but... I loved the guy in the best "bad" TV ever: Justin LaMotte in the "North and South" television miniseries. I was disappointed when he was thrown out of a second floor window so early in the second series.

Marisa said...

After a few more moments of thought, what if AEA is the only way he could come? Possible strangulation, or never coming again? I'd take the former.

Sorry to talk so informally about a real person, with real family members who loved him, but such is the price for fame I guess.

whole_lotto _luv said...

It's sad, because David Carradine was a very talented actor, and I've read stories about what a genuinely nice guy he was.

It's sad that suicide is such a stigma; some people just can't live in this world, and surviving family & friends probably feel guilty for not recognizing "signs" maybe because survivors can't know just how hard life was for that person.

If it was AEA, well, the name itself implies it's something done alone. There doesn't necessarily have to have been anyone else involved for his hands to be tied behind his back. You rig it up in front, and then step over your tied hands. If another person was involved it would be worded "breath-play" or something. I think. It's still an accident.

It's sad if it was suicide, it's sad if it was an accident. It's sad for his loved ones, because a sudden death (as opposed to an extended illness) leaves loved ones feeling that things were left undone or unsaid.

But I think he lived a good life.

sunnyside1213 said...

RIP Grasshopper.

not on my dollar said...

I feel sad and embarrassed for his WIFE.

@whole lotto - You've read stories that he was a genuinely nice guy. On his IMDB message board there are a number of people who met him and would disagree.

It seems that sometimes he was very sweet and yet there are quite a few times that he was nasty toward the fans.

I did not read that he was unpleasant on the set though.

jax said...

who knows...he could have had the best orgasm of his life and poof!
we might find out it was a heart attack coupled with accidental strangling.
i mean he was 72,not 32.

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nancer said...

hey, it's a blog. it's not a website for mourners to post. i think everyone feels bad about his death---i said i did yesterday. but ent DID bring up the circumstances, so i think it's perfectly acceptable for us to discuss it here. a little irritated at the judgment.

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Jenny S said...

I think David might have met up with a pro. Something bad happened and the pro took off.
That said, remember, suicide is, often, very impulsive. One of my co-workers liken it to being in a spell. A person can have everything going for them - at least as thought by the outside world - and still be suicidal. And, a lot of people who complete never say a word about suicide to anyone.

ardleigh said...

It's a shame, that the media gets so bogged down in the mire ,THEY created, that the way a person goes is more important then the impact that person left on others.

Thanks for staying classy Enty!

nancer said...

well, if you're found dead with a rope around your neck, your wrists and your dick, people are going to talk about it. that's just the way it works.
it's possible someone was with him, but i STILL think he had his own way of rigging himself up (i posted earlier about a case i know of where the guy tied his own hands together) and it went wrong this time.

KellyLynn said...

So...if people think of him as dying of autoerotic asphyxiation, he'll be remembered like Michael Hutchence of INXS. If people think of him as possibly being murdered, will he be remembered like Bob Crane of Hogan's Heroes?

I'll agree with Enty and go with option C -- remember him for the career which spanned half a century and included the Kill Bill movies and Kung Fu, and leave the sordid stuff behind.

Jasmine said...

I dont know who Michael Hutchence is and i think i sorta remember a band names INXS when i was a kid so i didnt know the same thing happened to him and what peoples reactions were but to me and my friends when we heard about Carradine i knew right off it was AEA and was at first sad, then incredulous, then kinda impressed when i learned how old he was (72). I agree with the few of you that mentioned how it is natural to be facinated that a celebrity was found in such a way, especially an old dude like that. I will mourn his career and think its such a waste to die like that but i am also equally facinated as the story unfolds, does that make me a bad person, i dont think so, just a morbidly curious one i guess :)

Jasmine said...

and i as always agree with enty and think its lame how people are spinning this who have to benefit off him/his career.

Picasso One said...

all I can think about this is the same way Michael Hutchence was found.

slider1964 said...

Really unfortunate for your family and your legacy to be found that way!! But I'm sure he wasn't planning on going !! Btw there is a photo floating around that was in a tai tabloid of his body!! I don't think he was by himself...

slider1964 said...

Here is the link http://www.newsnidea.com/3987/thai-tabloid-of-david-carradine-death-photo/

Katja said...

Jasmine, this makes me sad b/c I'm a mom. I Have to say = my husband's BF's daughter died doing this and their entire family fell apart. we need a kid that age to tell us how to help them not do drugs

Jasmine said...

Katja- I'm sorry about what happended to your husbands' friend's daughter but i dont understand about the drugs part. I dont think autoerotica has anything to do with drugs (though obviously you could mix the two) i just dont see how one has to do with the other.

Jasmine said...

And I dont do drugs (though i have tried some) but I definitly think the new test kits for drugs they have come out with to test your children is bullshit. You need to raise children with the idea that soon they will grow up and have to be adults, to sneak and test them violates their basic rights as people. I just think openness is the way to go as far as drugs are concerned...

stiffkittens said...

Jasmine - drugs do go hand in hand with AEA/breath play, unfortunately.

David has a history of drug abuse, and it is known that that affects sexual ability (both arousal & climaxing abilities).
Many former druggies go on to develop unconventional (though calling them perverted is very closed minded IMO - just because you're not into it, doesn't mean you can piss on other people's enjoyment. It's their body, they can do whatever they want to it) fetishes. AEA/breath play is a very common one, as well as taking a liking to transexual/transvestite/same gender sex.
It is quite usual that the only way for them (former/current drug abusers) to successfully have sexual relations is to take it to this kind of level.

Also, it's common within the AEA/breath play scene for people to use drugs to increase the experience (and there are also drugs that people use with or in place of hanging/masks/'equipment', because the drug(s) have the same kind of effect).

The man went (after a long, successful life) enjoying himself, doing something he liked enough to risk dying for. How many of us are going to be that lucky?

RIP David.

Jasmine said...

Stiffkittens- this makes mucho sense to me now that you've explained it. I had no idea Carradine was into drugs but this explains the high he needed to feel, hmmmm, i guess i was just talking about 'normal' people being into a variety of sex stuff without drugs being behind it. Thanks a lot for explaining in more detail tho and i agree- he went the way he went and you cant suger coat it or cover it up with conspiracy theories, he enjoyed himself to the end (hopefully) and thats all that matters.

Jasmine said...

Stiffkittens- this makes mucho sense to me now that you've explained it. I had no idea Carradine was into drugs but this explains the high he needed to feel, hmmmm, i guess i was just talking about 'normal' people being into a variety of sex stuff without drugs being behind it. Thanks a lot for explaining in more detail tho and i agree- he went the way he went and you cant suger coat it or cover it up with conspiracy theories, he enjoyed himself to the end (hopefully) and thats all that matters.