Sunday, January 14, 2018

Blind Item #7 - The Church's New Investment

Apparently The Church is finding it more difficult to bring in children the way they have in the past. That elusive head of the Church has donated tens of millions of dollars to research against diseases, many of which adversely affect third world countries. It was during this process of trying to eradicate a disease that one of the scientists created a pathogen which can kill swiftly and effectively. When the head of The Church heard about it, he agreed to test it on a village in a country that was friendly to bribes. It worked really well. It killed an astonishing number of people which were mainly adults. The children of the adults were 30-40 miles distant at a boarding school. Now, with no parents, they needed to be adopted. The Church, along with more bribes to the government had a great way to get large numbers of children quickly.

With that success, they decided to try it again, but this time, the villagers didn't stay in place as they had before and some traveled to a neighboring village. The next thing you know, it has now started spreading to different countries and killing people faster than they can create cover stories. Look for them to spread the rumor it is an Ebola outbreak to give themselves a chance to destroy the evidence of what they did.

It wouldn't shock me if they come forward with a cure and make hundreds of millions of dollars. That might bring too much publicity for them though. Even they would have tough time watching thousands of people die though wouldn't they?

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PotPourri said...

But Bill Gates is visiting poor countries with his wife, working to eradicate malaria and other local diseases. I cannot believe he would do anything wrong, unless he absolutely does not know...

lefthandscissors said...

@plot

THANK YOU!!! I actually have an elderly-ish (he's in his late 70s) neighbour across the lane from me that had polio as a child and it's beginning to seriously affect his mobility. And as you said, everything is (for eons) has been contagious. It mutates. It's like this fucking flu we're fighting in the UK currently. It's a variation of the "Aussi Flu" (H3N2) however the current flu vaccinations aren't "working" because it isn't the same strain that the vaccine works against.. but this happens ANNUALLY. It's why it's still around- because it mutates as it skips from continent to continent, so that when it finally comes back around the following winter it isn't the EXACT same strain, but there are similarities. It kills me when people scream that they don't work.. well, not always, but would you like to see what could happen if you didn't have one?

Every single day that I come home from being in London for the day I blow my nose and it's just... black pollution. That's in my body and I was only there for maybe 10hrs at most, yet it's "no, I won't have my kid vaccinated! No one knows what's in there!" Actually, yeah, we do. Why not worry about what's in the air that your kid is breathing, the water they're drinking (I mean, have we forgotten about Flint?!!), the food going into their mouths. Sometimes I just can't with people who think everything has a secret side to it.... especially after having treated those who only have the shirt on their back and lost everyone and everything. Keep on sitting at home on your Ikea sofa and keep thinking up ways that proteins and DNA and RNA are being manipulated to created cancer vaccines and so on.. *eye roll*

lefthandscissors said...

All of my medical crap having been said, I'm NOT saying that this church isn't a thing. I absolutely believe that it is. Child trafficking is fucking scary and eye-opening. I don't put anything past people who have the power to purchase children from poor countries (it happens, A LOT) for their own nefarious purposes. I do think that a lot of the people who DO do this are those we don't actually know from a celeb/"famous person" standpoint, but I'm not negating that there are those who are famous that have a hand in it. I'm certain that it happens. That being said not every foundation or famous person that works with a humanitarian charity is out to find kids to take back to their dungeon. A few years ago I was on a trip with UNHCR/MSF, etc., in Ghana and Sudan and we had a few celebs through while I was working. A couple different actors (one of them just about everyone knows; they didn't come together, just FYI, weeks apart) were genuinely interested in the work we were doing interacted with the children and families, asked us questions and really engaged with the situation. They actually seemed to give a shit about what was going on. The others? It was photo ops with children (one specifically asked for "cleaner children to be near me.. I don't want to catch anything!") and doing various "chores" around the camps and then gone. Spent less than a day, came with a trillion staff members/assistants, etc.; I'm pretty sure that if you really take a good look at celebs who go do various humanitarian relief campaigns you can spot those who do it for PR and to make themselves look good and those who are doing it because they care. Those who are doing it to scout kids? I dunno. I've not come across that in a celeb (yet)... private citizens with boatloads of cash pretending to care? Yes, they're poorly hidden wolves in sheeps clothing and do exist. They're hedgefund managers, oil tycoons (from various countries), old money, new money, American, Middle Eastern, French, Russian, Australian.. and everywhere in-between.

Now back to churches. I grew up down the street from Jim Jones' VERY FIRST church that he ever preached at (in Indianapolis). He wasn't the HBIC, more like assistant to the assistant HBIC. My parents grew up in that neighbourhood and vaguely remember him (they weren't churchgoers and neither were either sets of grandparents.. it was the late 1960s and my old neighbourhood had roughly 15 churches within a 8 block radius..) as being a weirdo that hungout in his car practicing his preaching to himself. He soon moved to a bigger church in Indy and from there he eventually drank the kool-aid. But that church in particular has always had weird shit/congregations. I could write a story about the shit that went down in that building but fortunately it was bulldozed a few years ago... bloody cursed.

Theodore Wolf III said...

The Catholic church could have bio labs in secret. just saying, as they would probably be the only ones really. Now church members involved in working in programs or labs giving them access to stuff could be slightly different, and more believable.

plot said...

@lefthandscissors

I tend to believe in Clooney's Satellite Sentinel Project from what I've read of it.

But I've also heard stories from my friends who work for relief agencies about the erstwhile celebs who show up for their photo op and then run away.

Oh churches in the USA are big money, and big money laundering and even bigger houses of horror even if they are "legit". The number of fundy churches around here who sponsored Russian adoption trips, then switched to Haiti, and then the members competed with one another for holiest family to adopt the most messed up child, was sickening. These Russian and Haitian kids were ordered to never speak in their home language, to never refer to their childhoods, cuz they are Americans now and can leave that horrible past behind.

Needless to say, most of these adoptions (for which members paid their churches enormous sums of money) have not worked out well.

My issue is this heading of The Church. What Enty is describing is more on the level of a network of multi-denominational churches, some with trafficking issues I'm sure and some with just everyday fundy issues of neglect and member competition for being god's specialest rainbow.

lefthandscissors said...

@post

Clooney IS legit. He may come off as a douche sometimes but he's sincere, I can say that (he's also really f'ing nice.. he came into my local pub last spring and we had a long chat about Indiana/Kentucky/Ohio-related shit and living overseas, etc.; absolutely down to earth as they come..).

I agree with your thoughts on Enty's church blind. It's completely possible, more than, actually. However I doubt that there are people working away in laboratories creating mutant genomes and all that "Young Frankenstein" level shit.. ffs.

Schneiderisnext said...

Re: silly religions don't have scientific power

I think you're forgetting about the power and scope of religion/religious organizations.

The Catholic Church has more elite institutions, hospitals, and universities than every advanced country and corporation combined.

Hell even fraternal organizations like the Shriners, & AHEPA own and operate hospitals with state of the art genetic experimentation

Many other orgs from, orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians run state of the art hospitals and laboratories. Why? MONEY. As nonprofits you have way better tax benefits than for profit medicine. Also religious organizations (especially large ones) need investments/have the capital for large scale projects.

Re: Crispr/genetic editing being too new to be effective:

At my 2nd tier, American state college, students perform CRISPR experiments in labs as 2nd year students

The technology is so ubiquitous, we are already gentically modifying and releasing complex organisms like mosquitoes (look up Oxitec)

Mosquitoes are wayyy more complex than single cell bacteria and viruses.

Schneiderisnext said...

Re: widespread flu variations prove that organisms mutate faster in the wild

That's up until mankind understood the mutation mechanism. Flus get worse because they basically trade/mutate genetic information at a very fast rate. Scientists have even realized that there are even codependent viruses and bacteria, that actually inhibit or further each other's spread (wolbachia is an excellent example)

Now that we know more about how it works, scientists are testing combinations of diseases so they can hopefully be ahead of the natural mutation rate. Theoretically this is a good thing, we can create a virus and vaccine before nature does.

But. The flip side of that. You now have a weaponized disease that can be used in the battlefield while your soldiers are vaccinated.

Also, Maybe you need a flu shot every year, but I certainly don't ;)

chickensashimi said...

@plot and @lefthandscissors. Heck, I'm a molecular biologist and you know what I got a few years ago? Whooping cough. Yes, I'd been vaccinated as a child but I did not know that immunity is not lifelong and I had not gotten a booster (and my doctor didn't tell me I needed one. I guess I missed that journal article.).

My area is very anti vaxx and I probably caught it from my daughter who brought it home as what we thought was a bad cold. She didn't get full on whooping cough having been recently vaccinated, but I did. I was sick for 8 weeks easily. A less healthy person could have easily died. Our next door neighbor brought home a newborn and asked if I wanted to hold him. I begged off because I had a cold. I didn't have a cold - I had whooping cough. I could have easily been the death of that child. All those old diseases are nasty nasty nasty and those microbes are still trying to get us, in new ways we can't necessarily predict.

chickensashimi said...

@Schneiderisnext. Don't get me wrong, CRISPR is crazy powerful. Everyone should learn more about it because it's a BIG DEAL. That's why I brought it up. But there is a big difference between using it in a lab with store-bought kits and using it in the wild for the scenario I commented upon. I personally do not believe it's ready for prime time in that way, or that it can necessarily be used to accomplish the scenario outlined. That doesn't mean that this technology shouldn't be watched closely and questionable uses called out. I'm glad Hollywood is learning about it because I really can't overstate how powerful this technology is.

It's DNA sequencing powerful. So let's keep talking about it and keep our minds educated and open.

Schneiderisnext said...

Totally agree @chickensashimi I also don't know if it's ready for primetime, but it isn't science fiction.

And if there is a profit or power motive, I see it happening sooner than we expect.

..it's an inevitable human tendency, but in the same way hackers hold onto zero day exploits. Knowledge that another doesn't have, is power.

Maz Misandrist said...

Also testing syphilis on Afican American prisoners.
Amongst many other medical experiments on those in prison.

lefthandscissors said...

@schneiderisnext and @chickensashimi

Your points are completely valid and true. (sidenote: it's good to have this level of intellectual discussion here.. LOL) Yes, mosquitoes are harbingers of death, same as fleas. Yes, there are biological weapons out there and they're being developed by every country on earth, sadly. However this blind goes way out there for me. I'm not denying any of what you've said- it's all true and factual, however, putting it into this blind is a bit of stretch. But that's just me. I could be wrong as fuck and go into work in a month and have a meeting regarding an outbreak of XYZ in whatever country this blind is referring to (in which case I'll probably poo down my leg and wonder wtf to do next because I'm not trying to be bumped off by some crazed pedophiles..). But yes, religious groups do have loads of hospitals and research centres, etc.; that's a fact. Some of them are incredible with the research they've done and breakthroughs they've pioneered. The flipside of that coin is are they really doing underhanded shit? Yes, you're always going to have rogue doctors/researchers, but as a group/whole.. I don't know. Are they actually willing to risk their entire organisation for this? That's a hard pill for me to swallow.

As far as flu shots go... that's a grey area for me. They're effective for the elderly and very young (re: 5 and younger IMO). No it isn't the same strain but it can help curb some of the really bad symptoms of the flu. I personally haven't had a flu shot in decades. I've broken protocol by not doing so, but I'm not the only one. I'm relatively healthy and know how to deal with it. The last time my children had a flu shot was when we lived in the US and they were toddlers.. which is yeaaars ago. I know they're going to catch a cold or some version of some virus multiple times because they're kids and kids carry bugs/viruses better than fleas and mosquitoes (in some cases... LOL). That being said I'm currently commenting back while drinking a hot tea with honey and whisky because I have a killer cold (or is the "Aussie flu"?) that's keeping me from sleeping. So there we go. LOL. (And holy shit whooping cough... girl, I feel your pain. That shit is BRUTAL...)

Yikes said...

Ty both for your perspectives! We must have been neighbors for a bit while we were at West Point . ❤️NY. Much better than Walter Reed and the Pentagon.

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Yikes said...

Entry or anyone.. Newer poster. Tried to reply to Schneider’snext and Movie Midget at least 10 tries. It posted for a second and then is gone. Do I need Enty’s permission to post? I promise I’ll be nice.

TinyB said...

Never met any biochemistry geek that knows so much about Hollywood, just wondering how perfect you are explaining super complicated biology and chemistry subject and aziz ansari at the same time, hmmmmmmmmm

Schneiderisnext said...

@yikes no permission needed

When you click publish, only do so once. It can take 10-15 seconds to post. If you click multiple times, it detects multiple spam posts and sometimes bugs out

Jim Corrigan said...

Not directly related, but the Chinese are into this stuff too. A Retired General Hua has stated China has desires to create race specific bio weapons and wipe out whites from Austalia and America and claim Chinese Lebensraum.

Schneiderisnext said...

@lefthandscissors & @chickensashimi

Thanks for explaining your positions! I also hope this blind isn't true, just operating under the assumption it is (because my world keeps getting rocked)

Also, don't want to be a luddite, pessimist, or pour the baby out with the bathwater. I do recognize the value of modern medicine. I just try not to treat technology as a panacea. It's usually more of a double edged sword

In any case. Love and Light to everyone out there sifting out the truth

TraciLyn said...

❤❤❤April

lava909 said...

you are obviously a troll. it is well established that bill gates is a eugenicist. go research it, the info has been out there for years. & you clearly do not understand the amount of money these people have at their disposal, which was discussed in the previous related blind.

plot said...

Where is it well established that Gates is a eugenicist?

mary lamb said...

@Plot
Re: Gates/eugenics
Someone upthread of me brought it up and it stayed on my mind.
I shouldn't have said anything as I've nothing to back it up.
At a dinner, the subject came up. People who I admire greatly (I'm trying to avoid titles) were talking about such. Gates' name came up when Monsanto did, and vaccines. It's complicated.
Again, I should have left that alone.

Schneiderisnext said...

Note the Blind.

It doesn't give years. The original synthesis of the disease/1st test with multiple adults dead is not necessarily recent

From THE TELEGRAPH in 2009


Al-Qaeda cell killed by Black Death 'was developing biological weapons'

An al-Qaeda cell killed by the Black Death may have been developing biological weapons when it was infected, it has been reported.

The group of 40 terrorists were reported to have been killed by the plague at a training camp in Algeria earlier this month.

It was initially believed that they could have caught the disease through fleas on rats attracted by poor living conditions in their forest hideout.

But there are now claims the cell was developing the disease as a weapon to use against western cities.

Experts said that the group was developing chemical and biological weapons.

Dr Igor Khrupinov, a biological weapons expert at Georgia University, told The Sun: "Al-Qaeda is known to experiment with biological weapons. And this group has direct communication with other cells around the world.

"Contagious diseases, like ebola and anthrax, occur in northern Africa. It makes sense that people are trying to use them against Western governments."

Dr Khrupinov, who was once a weapons adviser to the Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev, added: "Instead of using bombs, people with infectious diseases could be walking through cities."

It was reported last year that up to 100 potential terrorists had attempted to become postgraduate students in Britain in an attempt to use laboratories.

Ian Kearns, from the Institute for Public Policy Research, told the newspaper: "The biological weapons threat is not going away. We're not ready for it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/algeria/4294664/Al-Qaeda-cell-killed-by-Black-Death-was-developing-biological-weapons.html

mary lamb said...

Very interesting, and if I may add, the tip of the iceberg.
With every year, more and more biochemists are reaching farther and farther.
Someone mentioned Plum Island and Lyme disease. IF the deer actually swam to the mainland, I guess one could say that experiments cannot be infallible. Shit happens. Sometimes by err, sometimes on purpose.

mary lamb said...

Oh, and that's not the only thing they were working on, on Plum Island.
They ran out of there quickly for good reason and are trying to unload it for a paltry sum. Anyone who buys it has to have either rocks in their head or a very calculated reason.

listicle8739 said...

News story from today. Is this the disease? This is scary.

"Bleeding eye fever deadlier than Plague, kills 4, infects dozens"

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/160118/bleeding-eye-fever-deadlier-than-plague-kills-4-infects-dozens.html

twinkiesmom said...

I'm with @schneiderisnext.

Sorry to be an old time conspiracy theorist but depopulation is on the elites agenda, and a church is perfect cover for such an operation. A weaponized virus could have disappeared from a soviet lab back when the nation broke up. They could have further weaponized an already lethial strain from a previous historic epidemic.

I think it's much more likely they would use influenza than an exotic virus. It's the perfect cover....we're do for a bad year.

Schneiderisnext said...

"The Church" in these two recent blinds is The LDS (The Church of the Latter Day Saints) "The Mormons"

Enty capitalizes historical "mainline" churches (LDS, Catholics,). That's why he always capitalizes " The Church "

HOWEVER

12/12 blind: "The church I am referring to is not Scientology. This is a church that was founded just a couple of years ago in northern Arizona"

ENTY USES LOWERCASE WHEN REFERENCING DREAM CITY/DREAM CENTER IN COLORADO CITY AZ

Schneiderisnext said...

The MORMONS or Church of the Latter Day Saints has a close historical partnership with the RED CROSS

1. 1998 "the Church announced a working relationship that was recently established with the Red Cross. The Church and the Red Cross have agreed to cooperate in providing assistance to victims of certain disasters in the United States and its possessions"

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/05/news-of-the-church/church-announces-working-relationship-with-red-cross?lang=eng

Schneiderisnext said...

**1988

Schneiderisnext said...

Mormons and Red Cross are secret lovers

A partnership of service has been renewed between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ( Mormons) and the American Red Cross to help those in need.

Gail McGovern, president and CEO of the American Red Cross, told a news conference at the Church’s Welfare Square in Salt Lake City, Utah, on Wednesday, 20 June 2012, that the new agreement includes greater coordination with the Church in sponsoring blood drives.

“Every two seconds someone in our country needs a blood transfusion,” said McGovern. “And, time and time again, Church members have rolled up their sleeves to make life-saving donations, and that is such an act of generosity. Here in the Utah region, Latter-day Saints donate 50,000 units of blood annually in Church-hosted blood drives.”

The renewed partnership means the Church will increase its participation by hosting more blood drives in meetinghouses and other Church facilities.

McGovern explained the Red Cross ships six to ten million units of blood per year to hospitals. In the Utah region, the Church’s effort of sponsoring blood drives accounts for 25 percent of all the blood donated.

“I would like the public to know,” said McGovern, that “the Red Cross is more prepared than ever when disaster strikes because of the relationship we have with the LDS Church.”

The two organizations have worked together very effectively for more than 25 years in disaster relief, blood drives, financial and in-kind donations and the MEASLES INITIATIVE, which has resulted in vaccinating 213 million children in more than 40 AFRICAN countries.

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-and-red-cross-sign-agreement-to-continue-relationship

Schneiderisnext said...

The LDS has donated at least 10 Million to the RED CROSS in the past 10 years

Most recently

1.5 million in 2017

1.8 million in 2015 (the profits of the film "MEET THE MORMONS"

The LDS and the RED CROSS operate together in EASTERN EUROPE & AFRICA

plot said...

@twinkiesmom

depopulation is on the elites agenda, and a church is perfect cover for such an operation"

I fully agree that depopulation is probably discussed extensively by the economic and political elites and they've probably come up with some horrifying plans. Traditionally, the two means of eliminating people have been war and disease. Another avenue being suggested these days is female education and empowerment through microloans because educated and economically viable women have less children.

What stands in the way of creating a new plague is that would end the fortunes of the economic elite. First, there is no controlling a new plague. Being human, the elite and their families could not be protected. Second, they depend on us, the filthy masses, to buy their crap to maintain their vast fortunes. Oh the elite are trying real hard to protect their money and property from any involvement by us, but that is proving impossible.

There are limits to Milton Friedman's disaster capitalism. If no one can buy the results of all the stolen land, property, resources that are open for grabs after a disaster, it doesn't translate into wealth.

To conclude - there are elites (who generally contribute the campaigns of people like Paul Ryan) who think a violent reduction in the earth's population is a fantastic idea, the quicker the better, we have to be strong and a species and take the hit. There are elites like the Mercers who back Steve Bannon and Ted Cruz (before Donny), who think a massive "tribal war" needs to begin as soon as possible so white folks can show their superiority again. There are other elites, who think no better of you and I, but do like the money we put in their pockets.

There really is no consensus even among these elites. Soros backs knowledge and education as a population inhibitor. Buffet things that the markets will save us from limited resources and overpopulation.

The idea that they would all get together, agree to sponsor a new plague and use some church (and all its members to hide the big secret) just doesn't fit the character of human beings, in that none of us, even the elites, will agree on anything that massive and complicated and with such unsure results as a manufactured plague.

Schneiderisnext said...

@Plot

you need to stop erecting strawmen.

Nobody said this was all elite groups conspiring together. The Blind names a church and a charity. Two to three organizations teaming up to create a Faction.

Also... we've historically weaponized conventional viruses. They (anthrax for example) even have a risk of spreading worldwide. It's the same risk of Mutually Assured Destruction. But humans are shortsighted beings..even the elites

Additionally, if you are controlling the release vector, you have a much better chance of surviving/controlling a plague. The Bush Admin was on CIPRO weeks before the Anthrax letters.

Similarly, with genetic engineering, you theoretically can create a virus that is toxic to a particular race or ethnicity. Thus, protecting an elite in group.

This is the modern face of Eugenics. It's why Bill Gates Foundation owns 50,000 shares of Monsanto, and is investing millions into AGRA, to subsidize GMO seeds and push farmers into indebtedness. (Heirloom seeds produce offspring, GMO seeds legally must be purchased for each planting season)

Its why Michelle Obama made a big deal about the revamped school lunch program, but Malia and Sasha' s private school serves locally sourced, organic, freshly prepared lunches.

Finally:

https://youtu.be/qmQwTJnKKZ8

This is alleged to be a leaked us military presentation regarding a bioweapon targeting Muslim extremists

Naive people: "Hurr durr, SNOPES SAYS IT ISN'T TRUE."

Yes, classified leaks are always denounced as fake. Convince me why the underlying scientific concepts are wrong/not theoretically achievable.

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mary lamb said...

@prabath gunasekara

Could you please spell out the website url that you just linked to?
I clicked on it from my phone and it says that I now have a virus.
I sure hope it's not the because of that link...............

Schneiderisnext said...

This is the MORMONS AND DREAM CITY CHURCH

14 months ago. On hollaforums this whole blind was solved.

"Christopher Russell wrote:

https://www.wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765

Cable mentions 10 Americans from Idaho arrested for trafficking children. They claim they are headed to the Dominican Republic to establish an orphanage.

The only orphanage being established at that time was the DREAM Center.

Michel Zaleski gave money to Hillary.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/21434

Do you see Michel Zaleski's 20k anywhere? I'm nervous about that one.

Michel Zaleski Founded the DREAM Center Orphanage in Dominican Republic.
Should try to find out if is same orphanage in the cable.

Spencer Kimball Foundation also funded the construction.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56e068dc2eeb814053c52d43/t/573bb9cf8259b51109b5744a/1463531983671/donorlist0910.pdf

Spencer Kimball's sister Kathryn Kimball is married to Peter Mattis, who donated to Hillary Clinton.

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mattis

The Pace Memorandum ties the Mormon Church, at the time, to satanic child ritual sacrifice where children were being sacrificed at an altar under the west end of the temple. The sacrifices would have been occurring at the same time as Spencer Kimball was president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pace_memorandum


http://hollaforums.com/thread/8271316/politics/ping-pong-thread-13.html

Schneiderisnext said...

"The elusive head of the church"

This refers to the now deceased President of the LDS, THOMAS S. MONSON

He hadn't made public appearances for over 2 years, even missing a presidential (Obama) visit because of "dementia" and "poor health"

Why? He was the only church leader alive during the events of the PACE MEMORANDUM (IN WHICH A Mormon whistleblower revealed widespread sex abuse of kidnapped native American kids)

"Attorneys have subpoenaed Thomas S. Monson, the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to give a deposition in a series of lawsuits alleging sexual abuse of Navajo children who participated in a church-run placement program."

(July 27, 2016)

http://fox13now.com/2016/07/22/lds-church-president-thomas-s-monson-subpoenaed-for-deposition-in-sex-abuse-lawsuits/

Schneiderisnext said...

Dream Center of the Dominican Republic

Though the charity may not appear related, it is.

It's supported by the LA Dodgers.
http://www.dominicandream.org/latest-news-events/2017/10/25/the-los-angeles-dodgers-join-dream-as-leaders-in-community-responsibility

The Dodgers are Dream Center LA Sponsors/Partners (esp: Clayton Kershaw, Justin Turner, and the Dodger Wives)

The LA Dodgers VP/General Manager til 2001 was Kevin Malone. He is on the Board of Directors of the Dream Center LA. He is also an ordained Minister through FOURSQUARE ASSEMBLIES OF GOD

https://www.foursquare.org/news/article/from_field_of_dreams_to_the_dream_center

"I love international missions and taking the gospel to the lost all over the world. I am involved in several ministries, including Score International, which is a sports ministry in the Dominican Republic. Close to my heart is helping to fight human trafficking, with a focus on helping to prevent it and restore kids who have been trafficked."





Schneiderisnext said...

This is why pizzagate happened. Pizzagate is a smokescreen. A very successful attempt at clouding the narrative/flooding the airwaves with information/disinformation overload.

But we have a definite criminal conspiracy that is out in the public record. But the public hasn't realized it yet.

We have step by step proof of churches and charities partnering and shielding each other so they can operate profitable sex trafficking/slavery rings.

THE MORMON CHURCH first protected the FLDS: this was sex ring #1

When that got busted, they needed a new front organization

Enter DREAM CENTER

plot said...


'we've historically weaponized conventional viruses"

I can't go with a mysterious "we", I'm sorry. Also, I didn't erect a strawman at all; I only explained myself and my opinions based on what I've read about these economic elites. I could be right, or wrong, but I wasn't arguing with anyone so constructed no straw man.

Biological and chemical weapons can't be developed in the garage. They also require very particular storage. It takes big facilities to do both.

"Similarly, with genetic engineering, you theoretically can create a virus that is toxic to a particular race or ethnicity. Thus, protecting an elite in group."

Not without a big assed lab you don't. Not without communication with other labs all over the world, you don't. Not without the slave labor of undergraduates, the underpaid graduate student, the huge donations of benefactors, you don't. We've had here on these boards multiple biochemists telling us how what is needed for the development of these viruses and agents you casually insert into your theories as "easy peasy". They certainly are not.

Michelle Obama was a champion of childhood health. Manufactured food is losing it's nutrition. Home grown food is another option. Shit, my grandfather who taught us how to garden knew that decades ago. The simplest theory is usually the correct one - Michelle, like my grandfather, sought to eliminate junk food from kids' diets.

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El Naro said...

@plot: You know nothing about adoption, so don't even post on it. Your "messed up kids" phrase is insensitive and an insult to adopted people.

"These Russian and Haitian kids were ordered to never speak in their home language, to never refer to their childhoods, cuz they are Americans now" - well that is exactly what happened in the US to Native American children who were adopted or went to boarding schools. Fundamentalists were mostly in AFrica and Haiti. Everyone was adopting from Russia. The adoptions that had issues were because of problems that are endemic to all adoptions. And how exactly do you know that all fundamentalists said this to their adopted children? You seem to think you know a lot about every subject. Interesting that. But you obviously don't know adoptees so stop insulting us.

plot said...

I'm sorry if you feel insulted as an adoptee. I'd love to hear your side of the story, since mine is mostly drawn from the experience of living in Fundy Country and watching how they think that adopting children from poorer countries, and dropping them into American life while cutting off all connections to their country of origin, is enough to make them perfect children. It gets them more gold stars in heaven too, so there is that.

Any narratives contradicting my observations around here, would be fantastic, actually.

Schneiderisnext said...

@plot

---

S.i.N: we've historically weaponized conventional viruses

Plot: I can't go with a mysterious "we", I'm sorry. Also, I didn't erect a strawman at all; I only explained myself and my opinions based on what I've read about these economic elites. I could be right, or wrong, but I wasn't arguing with anyone so constructed no straw man.

---PLOT EARLIER IN THREAD

"""There really is no consensus even among these elites."""

&

"""The idea that they would all get together, agree to sponsor a new plague and use some church (and all its members to hide the big secret) just doesn't fit the character of human beings, in that none of us, even the elites, will agree on anything that massive and complicated and with such unsure results as a manufactured plague."""

---

THIS IS A STRAW MAN FALLACY @PLOT. THE BLIND ASSERTS THAT A CHURCH IS CREATING A BIOWEAPON THROUGH RESEARCH/FUNDING in AFRICA

BY INFLATING THE CLAIM INTO ""ALL ELITES ARE COLLUDING TOGETHER"" WHICH ""GOES AGAINST HUMAN NATURE"", you blow down a fake argument with a PERSONAL OPINION

And the "we" I refer to is the royal WE: As in the human race.

BIOWEAPONS go as far back as the TREBUCHET

Bubonic corpses catapaulted over city walls?

Ol' fashioned plague infested blankets?

Goebels? Japan's Unit 731? Fort Deitrich? Operation Seaspray[ing] bacteria over San Francisco leading to a death from "URETHRAL INFECTION"???

All that SH*T. Humans did to each other.

AND I'M BARELY INTO THE 1960'S...

We are a short-sighted, selfish, risk taking race. Democrats, Republicans, Vegans, and Furries.

Why/How does PLOT SHIT ON christianity, religion, & the faith based Right, but also DENY THEIR LEGACY OF MEDICAL HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES?

Schneiderisnext said...

@ENTY @CDAN_et al.

I FOUND THE CHURCH.

I FOUND HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF EXTENSIVE TIES BETWEEN THE

MORMON CHURCH (LDS)
&
RACIST, SOUTH AFRICAN BIO-TERRORISTS.

HASHTAGS TO USE TO PUBLICIZE THIS

#MOR$ #MORMONEY #MOREMONEY

Schneiderisnext said...

@ENTY @CDAN_et al.

I FOUND THE CHURCH.

I FOUND HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF EXTENSIVE TIES BETWEEN THE

MORMON CHURCH (LDS)
&
RACIST, SOUTH AFRICAN BIO-TERRORISTS.

HASHTAGS TO USE TO PUBLICIZE THIS

#MOR$ #MORMONEY #MOREMONEY

Schneiderisnext said...

PART 1 "HOLLYWOOD'S GYNECOLOGIST" & "SOUTH AFRICA'S MENGELE" GO VIRAL

Who is Larry C. Ford?

https://www.salon.com/2000/06/26/biofem/

"..Biofem Inc, was a scheme with heft, an enterprise that might really make a difference in the world. Larry was a brilliant scientist, Riley told friends, a little odd.. with..the stories he told of his CIA links. But the project was serious. They were on the cusp of something that could prevent millions of people from dying of AIDS, especially in Africa. And they were going to get rich in the process."

"motivated by some twisted ideology and some genuine altruism, a nostalgia for apartheid, perhaps (he had ties to the old South African military), along with a dream of stopping AIDS with the product he'd designed, a vaginal suppository, or microbicide, that kills germs spread by sex."

"According to an affidavit by an Irvine police office, later unsealed by a judge, Ford and Valerie Kessler, his assistant and lover, drugged and had sadomasochistic sex with young women they referred to as the "white chimpanzees." Then there was the report from a "reliable informant" that Ford "had a long history of treating female patients who ended up suffering multiple long-term illnesses ranging from cancer to abdominal infections," and allegations of "longstanding unauthorized medical experiments on unwitting patients by infecting them with unknown germs."

"The cops also say they have no evidence to confirm or deny Ford's comments to friends that he had worked for the CIA; or the story that he once parachuted into Southern Africa during the apartheid era to take blood samples from dead guerrilla fighters in order to help the U.S. government determine which biological warfare agents the Soviets were vaccinating their allies against.
While the facts remain murky, it's evident that Ford lived a double life. He was one of those clean-cut MORMON guys with a dark side, a Dr. Jekyll with a Hyde inside."

Schneiderisnext said...

https://www.salon.com/2000/06/26/biofem/

Continued:

"At the same time, Ford was collecting nasty weapons, and had reportedly taught some nasty things about biowarfare to some nasty South Africans, in apparent violation of U.S. laws forbidding such contacts during the apartheid era. Whether such ties continued more recently, whether they were part of some larger conspiracy, rogue or government-linked, is... intriguing..."

"Ford was a churchgoing Mormon who didn't smoke or use drugs. To people who considered him their friend, Ford's only visible vices were the consumption of diet sodas and the inappropriate footwear. Everything else about him was hunky-dory wholesome..."

"He gave physicals to the church Boy Scout troop before they went camping. "

Ford didn't conceal his feelings about race, either, though they might not have seemed so out of place in his part of Orange County. In conversations with neighbor Haglund, Ford said he believed South Africa was going to hell in a handbasket, that whites there were more productive than blacks, that people who hadn't tolerated apartheid were far too tolerant of necklacing and carjacking and other "injustices being committed by blacks," Haglund says.

Ford's activities in Africa were complex indeed. He made no secret of his friendship with Niel Knobel, then surgeon general of the South African Defense Force, the military force of the apartheid government.

Impatient with the FDA, Ford, with Knobel's help, established protocols to test his product in South Africa. Knobel doesn't know if those trials were ever carried out. But Ford was up to other business in South Africa. He provided the defense force with advice about defending against germ attacks, Knobel says, and through Knobel he also met WOUTER BASSON, who was in charge of South Africa's secret chemical/biological warfare program.
In 1987, Ford instructed scientists working with a defense-force front company on how to turn teabags, doilies and porno magazines into "weapons" that could be used against African National Congress members, according to scientists quoted recently in the Sunday Independent, a South African newspaper. Microbiologist Mike Odendaal told the Independent that "Ford spent an entire day showing us how to contaminate ordinary items and turn them into biological weapons."

If Ford's science was of the mad variety, he was but a lab assistant compared to BASSON, described in South African tabloids as "Dr. Death" or "the South African Mengele."
A cardiologist by training, Basson has been on trial since 1997 on a litany of charges arising from gruesome apartheid-era operations. Witnesses have testified that he oversaw the mass production of hallucinatory drugs, tested poisons and HIV-contaminated blood on political prisoners, plotted to poison Nelson Mandela in prison and tried to develop a substance that would sicken only BLACK PEOPLE.

Schneiderisnext said...

Salon continued:

One question raised during Basson's trial is the present whereabouts of tons of drugs and smaller quantities of deadly toxins whose production Basson oversaw before his retirement from the military in 1993. Could it be, some have asked, that Basson called upon former associates to stash some of these items overseas?
Intriguingly, Ian Shein, a Los Angeles gun shop manager who says he has known Ford for 20 years, was quoted by police as saying that Ford "asked lots of people to store his biological/chemical components."

The key to some of the South African questions may lie in a particularly colorful Ford associate, a 71-year-old general SURGEON and businessman named JERRY D. NILSSON
Nilsson, who has been involved in controversial GOLD MINING, HOSPITAL MANAGEMENT and other ventures, shared an office with Ford in the late 1980s. They traveled to Africa together, SHARED TIES to the MORMON CHURCH and co-wrote papers on VAGINAL INFECTIONS. In 1988, Nilsson organized a group of doctors, apparently including Ford, to buy a defunct Los Angeles hospital and turn it into a state-of-the-art infectious disease research center. The Lake View Terrace institute, Nilsson was quoted as telling the Los Angeles Times, would be "one cog in a complex, far-reaching project" with related facilities in Africa, Germany, Italy and Britain. The scheme flopped when research groups denied Nilsson's claims that they were backing the venture.

as the California Medical Board was preparing to rescind his [nilson] medical license because of SEXUAL IMPROPRIETIES with patients, Nilsson tried to buy into Biofem, but was rebuffed by Riley, according to police affidavits. Then later, the day after Ford shot himself, Nilsson went to Diane Ford's house and asked to buy out Larry's share. He said he wanted to cure AIDS in Africa. Police from that point considered him a suspect in a conspiracy to kill Riley.
For several nights they staked out the Anaheim bungalow where Nilsson was living with his YOUNGER GIRLFRIEND and her kids. Nilsson stayed inside by day. By night he crept out of the house and, with the help of an assistant, carried containers out to a camper van, which another assistant eventually drove off to a garage east of Riverside. On March 31, a SWAT team lured the old surgeon into the street, wrestled him down and clapped him in handcuffs.

Then they RAIDED a series of houses and STORAGE LOCKERS around Southern California where Nilsson's former girlfriends claimed he had stashed CHEMICALS and GERMS with Ford. The results of those searches haven't been revealed in detail. Nilsson has been released and a friend says he's planning to sue the Irvine police.
For now, the mysteries of Ford's life remain. Most of his colleagues and friends say they are shocked, shocked to hear he was up to anything untoward. Most of the people who might have another understanding of his character have been silenced by the grand jury. POLICE SAY THAT HE WAS GUILTY AS SIN, BUT WON'T SAY OF WHAT OR WHY.

"Let's just say that the EVIDENCE strongly SUGGESTS that Dr. FORD was deeply involved in a CONSPIRACY," Ray says. "He would be in custody today were he alive."

Schneiderisnext said...

TLDR (Salon article)

An Openly Racist yet Mild-Mannered Mormon wunderkind Gynecologist who gropes Boyscouts & catalogs infected African vaginas while researching an antimicrobial "aids-cure" wet-wipe, leads a double life as a CIA affiliated virologist who develops a series of ethnocentric-bioweapons with the head of Apartheid South Africa's secret Germ Warfare unit.

Accused of an attempted hit on 1 of his business partners back in the states, and facing multiple accusations of drugging/infecting/molesting patients/underage wives and girlfriends/sex/medical slavery/and illegally synthesizing/transporting/storing bioweapons

So he "shoots himself", properties are raided, other [mormon] doctor and business partner is arrested. Tons of illegal biohazardous substances are found. Clearly a part of a larger "INTERNATIONAL BIOWEAPONS MAFIA"

Schneiderisnext said...

https://youtu.be/GCxmJJTbFV4

10 minute documentary excerpt which explains Project Coast: South Africa's 80's era program to develop poisons, chemicals, and bioweapons to be used against the black population

Excellent context for how this all relates

Schneiderisnext said...

It ends referencing an ongoing investigation into an "INTERNATIONAL BIOWEAPONS SMUGGLING RING"

Schneiderisnext said...

OK. SO 2 Years later (2002), 60 minutes does an in depth report on LARRY FORD WITH TONS OF CLUES

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dr-death-and-his-accomplice/

Dr. Larry Ford was, by most accounts, a mild-mannered gynecologist in Irvine, California, a respected physician with an interest in AIDS research. But after he hired a hitman to try to kill his business partner, and then committed suicide once police were closing in on him, Dr. Ford's double life was revealed.
As soon as the sensational story hit the local news in Southern California, police began receiving warnings that Dr. Ford had guns and C-4 plastic explosives buried in his yard, and he kept dangerous BIOWARFARE GERMS IN HIS HOME.

Sure enough, police found the guns, ammunition and explosives when they dug up the yard, and they found CHOLERA, botulinum, salmonella and typhoid in vials in his REFRIGERATOR.

Under a false floorboard in his house, police found FILES ON 83 WOMEN, complete with PHOTOS, personal effects and MEDICAL RECORDS. Mike Wallace interviewed two of those women, Shane Gregory and Tami Tippit, who both have MYSTERIOUS NEUROLOGICAL SYMPTOMS. Police have EVIDENCE that Dr. Ford THREATENED to INFECT Ms. Gregory with something that would ruin her life after she called off her relationship with him.

In Dr. Ford's home and office, there was indication this gynecologist had some connections to both the ARMY'S BIOWARFARE PROJECTS and to the CIA. The CIA would not confirm this connection.

IRVINE POLICE, however, did confirm that they found EVIDENCE that Dr. Ford was working with the APARTHEID government in South Africa in the 1980s, helping them develop CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL weapons to fight opponents of the white-ruled government. So Wallace traveled to South Africa to conduct the first-ever televised interview with the man who ran that apartheid-era program, Dr. WOUTER BASSON, whom the South African press has dubbed "Dr. Death."

PROJECT COAST, as Dr. Basson's secret state program was called, was dismantled along with the white-ruled apartheid government. Wallace's report reveals some of the types of germs studied by Project Coast and the ways in which they could have been USED AGAINST BLACK ENEMIES of apartheid in the 1980s.

Schneiderisnext said...

60 minutes continued


The report also traces the ***MYSTERIOUS CONNECTION*** between Dr. BASSON and that California GYNECOLOGISTS. Dr. Basson tells Wallace that he did SEND MONEY to an OFFSHORE BANK ACCOUNT for DR. FORD, but he insists it was PAYMENT for some AIDS WORK Dr. Ford was conducting. However, documents uncovered by the 60 MINUTES investigation indicate that some of the AIDS WORK done in South Africa in the 1980s was used as a COVER FOR BIOWARFARE RESEARCH, under the auspices of the SOUTH AFRICAN MEDICAL SERVICE, which oversaw PROJECT COAST.

A phrase from one of the AIDS document reads, $$$$"The ACQUISITION of any relevant CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS LITERATURE from Dr. Ford."$$$$ Dr. Basson bristles when Wallace confronts him with this document. "I have no knowledge of this document...that's not my document," Basson contends, "[It] has nothing to do with Project Coast."

Among the alleged weapons hatched in the South African labs were ANTHRAX LACED ENVELOPES, cigarettes and chocolates, BOTULINUM toxin in beer bottles and SALMONELLA-laced sugar. There were more technical delivery devices, such as an altered umbrella that injected a poison called SILATRANE. Dr. Ford is alleged to have worked on silatrane for Dr. Basson, during RESEARCH DISGUISED as HAIR RE-GROWTH EXPERIMENTATION"

"Larry had brought two or three formulas along that he wanted made," Dr. Basson tells Wallace, but Dr. Ford never worked on silatrane. In fact, says Dr. Basson, "Let me correct you. Silatranes were not developed to kill [Nelson Mandela's African National Congress] officials, any officials or to kill anybody," he says.

But South African scientists TESTIFIED that, not only was silatrane used as a poison; they even CREATED DEVICES like the altered UMBRELLA TO DELIVER the POISOM. And according to the FBI, an UMBRELLA like the one created by Project Coast was FOUND in Dr. FORD'S HOUSE Dr. Basson says that couldn't be. "I have no knowledge... in actual fact, I would say that is impossible... You have a different FBI source than I do. I spoke to them last week," he tells Wallace. "I don't know who your FBI guy was. Mine's a senior FBI guy," he boasts.


Wallace asks Dr. Basson whether he had any help from the U.S. government in his endeavors. "No...I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION," he tells Wallace. But he may be helping other governments.

Once PROJECT COAST was DISMANTLED, DR. BASSON made FIVE TRIPS to !!!!Libya!!!!. "We'd like to know more about what he was doing in LIBYA," says Dr. Helen Purkitt, who co-authored a U.S. Air Force Academy report on Project Coast. "The U.S. government was very concerned about [whether] he was SELLING SECRETS from Project Coast." Dr. Basson told the South African government that the CIA THREATENED TO KILL HIM if he continued his TRIPS TO LIBYA, and the South African government arranged for round-the-clock security for Dr. Basson as a result of that and other threats.

Nevertheless, according to U.S. intelligence sources who spoke with 60 MINUTES and shared classified reports with Wallace, there is concern that Dr. Basson and some former colleagues have attempted to make contact with Iran and Iraq.

After a two-year-long bench trial before an apartheid-era judge, this past summer Dr. Basson was acquitted of dozens of murder charges.

Schneiderisnext said...

60 minutes TLDR

Dead family man Mormon Hollywood OBGYN, commits suicide before illegal bacteria/virus research and human experimentation scandals blow the cover of his affiliated international biowar mafia.

Released fbi file includes documentation of an offshore money transfer from Dr. Basson to Peter Ford in exchange for "AIDS WORK"

Another file documents the "acquisition of bacterial warfare literature" FROM PETER FORD TO DR. BASSON

After APARTHEID, BASSON is acquitted. He makes 5 + trips to LIBYA. CIA think he's selling BIOWEAPONS. Threaten to kill him. SOUTH AFRICA PROTECTS HIM 24/7 AS HE CONTINUES MEETING$.

perunica said...

@Schneiderisnext - omg as I am connecting the dots - there is a recent outbreak of measles in our country (location - Eastern Europe, neighbouring Ukraine), which is a great surprise, because most of the population was vaccinated and so were those who got ill... And guess what. Lots of people from Romania and Ukraine work here...

rosie riveter said...

@Schneiderisnext, Youve outdone yourself again! I want to call in sick for work and crawl into this rabbit hole, but I cannot
This is crazy.
Plot, I would like to know, with so much Information available out there, why you believe it is not possible? I'm not asking if you think it's highly unlikely, but you seem to be set on it is not possible or conceivable.

InCatNeto said...

@Schneiderisnext this is some incredible work! Thank you for putting the time in, and even going back and doing TLDR versions! I'm bookmarking this post!

iheartgoss said...

I've been a reader here for ten years, I just haven't commented in a very long time, probably six years...I just can't sit back anymore. Please stop labeling entire groups of people the same as one bad person. Just because a man did some very bad things who at one point attended the Mormon church does not mean the entire religion of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE helped create bioweapons. I am a Mormon and I did not create bioweapons. I am a Mormon and I am not involved in child trafficking. I am a Mormon and I do not have a single connection to Hollywood pedophilia, or pedophilia, or anything of that nature.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or Mormons, does so much for people in need. Here is a link to explain many of the things we are involved in.
https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/humanitarian-aid-welfare-services-breakdown-donations-costs-resources

I appreciate everyone's dedication to this cause, but a lot of you need to step away from the computer for a few days and realize that not every single person or organization you may be unfamiliar with has nefarious connections to Hollywood.

roxy said...

@iheartgoss.... no one is saying every Mormon has connections to the bad.

Don't personalize it is the best advice I can give you.

Also, be willing to consider that your "sacred cows" might get slaughtered.

Plenty of mine have been and I'm thankful for knowing the truth and walking away from organizations that mean harm while looking so good on the outside both religious and political.

plot said...

@iheartgoss

I'm not comfortable with that huge leap of logic either. Larry Ford sounds like a nut with delusions of CIA connections, to me. Whatever he was dreaming up with a genocidal South African obviously didn't work, since it seems South Africa is still well populated by black Africans (by a very wide majority.) Like many, Ford wanted to be more important that he actually was, with all his hidden pathogens. I figure he committed suicide mainly because his fantasies of his own secret importance were met by the reality of his good old pedestrian attempted murder charge.

Connecting Ford to the Mormon Church just because he was a mormon is simply wrong. We all know the errors and corruption that can lie within religion. At the same time, we shouldn't foist the evil label on them out of hand and because of the strange concepts of one mormon guy.

I say this as a non-believer, non-Christian.

rosie riveter said...

Iheartgoss- you are absolutely right, this is not about all LDS/Mormons. I've known many, many LDS throughout my life and still do. I have a few really good friends, very good people who I love, that are Mormon. This is not saying all are bad. And it's NOT right to lump everyone in just because there's a bad seed. Yes there are thousands (millions?)of wonderful people in the Mormon church and they do many great things for others

SB said...

@Schneiderisnext I'm gonna have to agree with @iheartgoss and others on this one. I was with you (skeptically) on DG and the whole Dream network. But now I have to be more skeptical of that info you provided.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your case here seems to hinge on the Mormon Church being behind this because some crazy doctor who supposedly wanted to kill black South Africans happens to be mormon? I'm not saying it's not possible, but you seem very convinced and I don't see the evidence to merit that kind of confidence. Couldn't he just as easily be connected to DG, or George Soros, or Charlie Manson?

Where is the connection to the mormon prophet? Where is the connection to any leader of the mormon church? I'm honestly asking, because you've written so many comments that I can't remember half of what you've said. Yes, the Mormon Church has a lot of money, and who the hell knows what they do with it. But this is quite a stretch.

You're filling every other CDAN comment section with click bait about mormons being beind some "INTERNATION BIOWEAPONS MAFIA", and then I come here and see nothing.

Soon we're gonna have to start asking if DG paying you do turn CDaN into another 4Chan or something.

Schneiderisnext said...

@Iheartgross

I don't believe all Mormons are involved, however, I have found evidence that MULTIPLE Mormon Doctors were involved in South AFRICA'S GERM WARFARE program.

Don't get personally offended. The Catholic Church abused tons of unwed mothers and orphans. CHURCHES ARE COMPARTMENTALIZED LIKE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES.

Now. How could Mormons engage in this RACISM?

Well...they've had RACIST policies since their founding until 1978:

(LDS Church) had a policy which prevented most men of black African descent from being ordained to the church's lay priesthood. Under the temple and priesthood restrictions before 1978, black members of African descent could not receive the priesthood or participate in temple ordinances besides baptisms for the dead. For a time in the 1960s and 1970s, they were not allowed to perform baptisms for the dead either. For young men and men in the LDS church, holding the priesthood is required to hold leadership roles, perform baptisms, to bless the sacrament, to bless babies and to bless the sick. Since black men could not hold the priesthood, they were excluded from holding leadership roles and performing these rituals. Temple ordinances are necessary for members to receive the endowment and marriage sealings necessary for exaltation, and black members could not enjoy these privileges. Church leaders taught that these restrictions were commanded by God. In 1978, the First Presidency and the Twelve, led by Spencer W. Kimball, declared they had received a revelation instructing them to reverse the racial restriction policy. After this revelation, black men could receive the priesthood and black people could receive temple ordinances.

The Mormon Church considers the MARK OF CAIN to reference black people.

Schneiderisnext said...

@Plot:

Why the absolute constant incredulity?

Aristotle said the mark of an educated mind is the ability to consider a premise without accepting it

You're blinding yourself to a possibility because emotionally it offends or challenges you.

Plot: "I'm not COMFORTABLE with that huge leap of logic either. Larry Ford sounds like a nut with delusions of CIA connections"

comfort=/=logic or evidence

"Sounds like a nut"

Personal opinion. Why did IRVINE POLICE reportedly find evidence of his CIA & ARMY CONNECTIONS. Why did they find 80 detailed case files on women he had medically experimented on?

Why did the CIA refuse to deny a relationship?

I've consistently provided links and evidence to support my claims.

Plot: "Connecting Ford to the Mormon Church just because he was a mormon is simply wrong."

Ummm. What is this doublethink? Also what about his wealthy gold-mining Mormon cardiologist friend

From the Salon article above which you clearly missed

"The key to some of the South African questions may lie in a particularly colorful Ford associate, a 71-year-old general SURGEON and businessman named JERRY D. NILSSON
Nilsson, who has been involved in controversial GOLD MINING, HOSPITAL MANAGEMENT and other ventures, shared an office with Ford in the late 1980s. They traveled to Africa together, SHARED TIES to the MORMON CHURCH and co-wrote papers on VAGINAL INFECTIONS. In 1988, Nilsson organized a group of doctors, apparently including Ford, to buy a defunct Los Angeles hospital and turn it into a state-of-the-art infectious disease research center. The Lake View Terrace institute, Nilsson was quoted as telling the Los Angeles Times, would be "one cog in a complex, far-reaching project" with related facilities in Africa, Germany, Italy and Britain. The scheme flopped when research groups denied Nilsson's claims that they were backing the venture."

Schneiderisnext said...

Super weak argument calling me a "paid poster" @SB.

This is an ANONYMOUS forum. Anyone could be a shill.

With the lack of Ethos, logos (logic) is about the only thing we can rely on.

It's a beautiful democratic system which forces you to address the argument rather than attacking the credibility of the poster.

I still believe that Dream City Church and Geffen are involved.

However, Enty is a Lawyer and very careful with his phrasing and clues.

Between the 3 "church" blinds, Enty mentions "a church in AZ", "a religion that is providing protection", and "The Church"

These are 3 separate organizations. Capitalization/consistency actually matters.

Now I'm sorry if you haven't been getting through these walls of text, but its not just "1 crazy Mormon"

"Larry Ford" + "Jerry Nillson" both have military and intelligence connections BIOWARFARE connections. Together, these 2 Mormons they were "researching aids" & created a failed RESEARCH CHARITY according to released FBI docs in South Africa "the easily bribed country"

Both are implicated in an International BIOWEAPONS SMUGGLING ring.

Watter Bousson, the head of S.A. GERM program was suspected of selling weapons to Gaddafi in LIBYA..this directly ties to "the Church's Money"

Schneiderisnext said...

@SB sorry for spamming the SAG posts with a link to this page.

I just think stopping a child trafficking/BIOWEAPONS organization is a little more important than SAG gossip.

Schneiderisnext said...

For those who still are doubtful about what exactly South Africa did.

Read This 34 page PDF by Ian Martinez, an attorney [Rasco Reininger Perez & Esquenazi, P.L. in Miami] and a former CIA Intelligence Officer who has written several articles dealing with
international law.

RHODESIAN ANTHRAX: THE USE OF BACTERIOLOGICAL. & CHEMICAL AGENTS DURING THE LIBERATION WAR. OF 1965- 80.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mckinneylaw.iu.edu/IICLR/pdf/vol13p447.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj-t7mfg-3YAhVI3GMKHfTwDYcQFjABegQIExAB&usg=AOvVaw1usctST7a-FiRaKOALwMRG

It explains how Rhodesia and South Africa developed bioweapon capability through plague experimentation

plot said...


'I have found evidence that MULTIPLE Mormon Doctors were involved in South AFRICA'S GERM WARFARE program."

No, you haven't proven anything of the sort. You've SHOWN that a couple of doctors, who happened to be mormon, like to think they were involved with the CIA, or the South African government, or some such shit, in some nefarious plan to weaponize disease (which they were clearly incapable for doing) or to cure AIDS in women's vaginas, or some such shit. In any case, no one seems to have had any success at killing massive numbers of black Africans with germ warfare (except perhaps George Bush with his abstinence programs incumbent with our African aid ) or using women's vaginas for ending AIDS.

"Why did they find 80 detailed case files on women he had medically experimented on?"

Which your Salon article itself were not backed up by medical investigators who looked into the cases of those 80 women. Gosh, it might be that some nutter doctor was exaggerating his experience with pathogens and germs to contribute to his grandiose visions of serving one South African psychopath with genocidal dreams?

"The scheme flopped"

"created a failed RESEARCH CHARITY"

By your own admission, failure is the recurrent theme of these Mormon doctors to produce anything at all aligned with their dreams.

"Watter Bousson, the head of S.A. GERM program was suspected of selling weapons to Gaddafi in LIBYA"

Suspected.

A quick search will show that though Gaddafi had chemical weapons way back at one point, he had no biological weapons. Like Saddam, he had no working facilities for storing either, as well.







Schneiderisnext said...

Now let's talk about WOUTER BASSON


https://vimeo.com/6484188

WATCH THIS VIDEO WHERE HE ADMITS TO BUILDING A "BLACK BOMB"

"it was the most fun I ever had"

"We sought information from the few agencies and actors who were working on this technology."

"The rest we bought/borrowed/stole"

"One "ORGANIZATION helped because of "IDEOLOGICAL REASONS" and while Eastern European countries had to have "their palms greased" the "British and American" organization with a few "European Outposts" helped for free/for technology exchange.

Hmmmm. In the 60's thru early 80's, what US based "ORGANIZATION" with "research capability" was still racist while engaged in African AIDS RESEARCH?

HMMMM

Why does Basson admit to working with PETER FORD BUT refuses to answer in what capacity?

Why does Basson describe Ford flying internationally with a "pocket full of goodies"?

Schneiderisnext said...

@Plot.

You clearly already have your mind made up. Why bother posting on this blind if you think it's impossible for a Church to ever do anything evil on an organized level?

Keep running interference. I will respond every time. This will build views/comments and many free minds will be exposed. To a possibility. I even admit that. But you REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE PREMISE THAT THE BLIND IS BASED UPON

Hmmmm. I wonder why a dude who invented Silatrane umbrellas as an untraceable assassination attempt would have exotic/undetectable "neurological diseases" that American medical examiner's can't detect.

Schneiderisnext said...

THE CHARITY WAS A COVER. DUH. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT FLOPPED.

WOUTER BASSON admits to transferring money to Peter FORD'S OFFSHORE ACCOUNT.

YOU STILL HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE RELEASED REDACTED FBI DOCS WHICH SHOW COLLUSION ON "AIDS RESEARCH" between FORD & BASSON

YOU STILL HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE FBI DOCS THAT SHOW DR. BASSON "ACQUIRED"

"CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE LITERATURE" FROM PETER FORD

This theory fulfills so many separate clues indicated in the Blinds.


@PLOT WHY DO YOU HATE FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS/REPUBLICANS/ALT-RIGHTERS BUT DEFEND MORMONS?

Schneiderisnext said...

We still haven't found Gaddafi's money @Plot, why is it impossible that we haven't found his biological weapons stores?

Schneiderisnext said...

For the skeptical. Read an excerpt from this USA AIR FORCE TEXTBOOK

The War Next Time: Countering Rogue States
and Terrorists Armed with Chemical and Biological Weapons

Barry R. Schneider
Jim A. Davis


At the time of Basson's arrest, investigators found several trunks in
his possession that contained documents and items related to Project Coast. The investigators also found in the trunks and among Basson's personal effects a great deal of personal correspondence between Basson and individuals in Switzerland, the United Kingdom, and other countries.
One letter was from an individual in the U.K., who lived near Heathrow Airport. This letter described what Basson should do if he needed to leave South Africa quickly. The letter said he should contact "THEM" when he arrived at Heathrow and that "WE WILL COLLECT YOU." Other letters, from individuals in other countries, described similar emergency exit plans. The documents are interesting, given statements made by JUERGEN JACOMET, a former SWISS military INTELLIGENCE AGENT, who WORKED WITH BASSON on money-laundering for Project Coast in Europe. He spoke of a
RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY and ALLUDED to the EXISTENCE of an INFORMATION ORGANIZATION OF INDIVIDUALS, including AMERICANS. The death of DR. FORD and REVELATIONS of his SOUTH AFRICAN INVOLVEMENT, and his failed effort to establish the LAKE VIEW TERRACE INSTITUTE raised again the possibility of a RIGHT-WING INTERNATIONAL NETWORK, UNITED by a vision of a South Africa once
again RULED BY WHITES. No evidence to date has been found to substantiate concerns expressed by some about possible linkages between Project Coast programs and the intentional use of HIV or microbicide contraceptives. However, the recent REVELATIONS SINCE FORD'S DEATH have been CONSISTENT WITH REPORTS that the former South African government was already concerned about the future impact of the AIDS epidemic by the mid-1980s. In the 1980s, as the South African government became more aware of the magnitude of the impending AIDS epidemic, the SADF started testing thousands of SADF soldiers for HIV. The secret right-wing Afrikaner organization, the BROEDERBOND also recently ACKNOWLEDGED that they had completed POPULATION PROJECTIONS during the mid-1980s. They suggested that whites would be in majority in the future due to the devastating effects that AIDS was projected to have on the BLACK POPULATION of South Africa. Throughout the 1980s, BASSON CONTINUED his FOREIGN VISITS and interaction with EXPERTS from the U.S., the U.K. and other countries. Most contacts appear to have been legal ones between Project Coast scientists and other scientists and consultants in Europe. Most of the substances and knowledge relevant to biological weapons were not controlled in the 1970s and 1980s as there was not the same level of concern with the possible use of biological agents and chemical substances that emerged during the 1990s. However, Basson and Knobel subsequently claimed that BASSON visited IRAQ and IRAN, the PHILLIPINES, NORTH KOREA, and CROATIA, and met with members of COLOMBIAN DRUG CARTELS, making contacts and COLLECTING INFORMATION. WHAT WAS OBTAINED OR EXCHANGED during these visits has not yet emerged.

Schneiderisnext said...

US Army textbook excerpt TLDR

JUERGEN JACOMET, a former SWISS military INTELLIGENCE AGENT, who WORKED WITH BASSON on money-laundering for Project Coast in Europe. He spoke of a RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY and ALLUDED to the EXISTENCE of an INFORMATION ORGANIZATION OF INDIVIDUALS, including AMERICANS

The death of DR. FORD and REVELATIONS of his SOUTH AFRICAN INVOLVEMENT, and his failed effort to establish the LAKE VIEW TERRACE INSTITUTE raised again the possibility of a RIGHT-WING INTERNATIONAL NETWORK

BASSON visited IRAQ and IRAN, the PHILLIPINES, NORTH KOREA, and CROATIA, and met with members of COLOMBIAN DRUG CARTELS, making contacts and COLLECTING INFORMATION. WHAT WAS OBTAINED OR EXCHANGED during these visits has not yet emerged.

plot said...

"IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT FLOPPED."

It doe if you want to suggest that a person is a successful creator of biological weapons.

" clues indicated in the Blinds."

I guess that depends on your faith in these blinds, whether you think they are messages from moles and whistle blowers or fun diversions.

"@PLOT WHY DO YOU HATE FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS/REPUBLICANS/ALT-RIGHTERS BUT DEFEND MORMONS?"

Because neither is true. THAT is a strawman, what you just did there.

"We still haven't found Gaddafi's money @Plot, why is it impossible that we haven't found his biological weapons stores?"

I really can't believe I have to explain this. Biological weapons are stored in country, yes? They are held in very controlled circumstances, with stable humidity and temperature and light exposure...or they degrade quickly, right? Okay, that means that not only would there be evidence inside Libya (or Iraq or anywhere else) of just those kinds of working facilities OR the weapons simply don't exist.

Money, on the other hand, can exist anywhere - inside or outside the country of LIbya (or anywhere else.) That's the magic of money. Gaddafi's money could be in Taiwan. It could be in Kenya, Switzerland, Cayman Islands, Dubai...ANYWHERE. But the weapons labs and storage facilities WOULD HAVE TO BE INSIDE LIBYA ITSELF.

Get it?


Schneiderisnext said...

PLOT:

"IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT FLOPPED.

It doe if you want to suggest that a person is a successful creator of biological weapons."

S.i.N.:

The US ARMY says:

The death of DR. FORD and REVELATIONS of his SOUTH AFRICAN INVOLVEMENT, and his failed effort to establish the LAKE VIEW TERRACE INSTITUTE raised again the possibility of a RIGHT-WING INTERNATIONAL NETWORK, UNITED by a vision of a South Africa once again RULED BY WHITES.

Get that PLOT? The US Air force & ARMY think that the failed "charity" was a front for BIOWEAPONS research. This isn't MY THEORY

--------------------------

Plot: "guess that depends on your faith in these blinds, whether you think they are messages from moles and whistle blowers or fun diversions."

S.i.N.: You clearly already have your mind made up. Why bother posting on this blind if you think it's impossible for a Church to ever do anything evil on an organized level?

...[This theory is] a possibility. I even admit that. But you REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE PREMISE THAT THE BLIND IS BASED UPON.

So again PLOT why are you shitting, on everyone who is trying to solve the blind?

--------------

plot said...

"The death of DR. FORD and REVELATIONS of his SOUTH AFRICAN INVOLVEMENT, and his******* failed******* effort to establish the LAKE VIEW TERRACE INSTITUTE raised again the *******possibility******** of a RIGHT-WING INTERNATIONAL NETWORK, UNITED by a vision of a South Africa once again RULED BY WHITES"

Emphasis mine.


"So again PLOT why are you shitting, on everyone who is trying to solve the blind?"

I'm not shitting on anyone.

Schneiderisnext said...


S.i.N: @PLOT WHY DO YOU HATE FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS/REPUBLICANS/ALT-RIGHTERS BUT DEFEND MORMONS?"

PLOT: Because neither is true. THAT is a strawman, what you just did there.


PLOT (A FEW COMMENTS UP)

"Oh churches in the USA are big money, and big money laundering and even bigger houses of horror even if they are "legit". The number of fundy churches around here who sponsored Russian adoption trips, then switched to Haiti, and then the members competed with one another for holiest family to adopt the most messed up child, was sickening."

Not a STRAW MAN. Your own words.

Schneiderisnext said...

This is the best match for the Blind so far.

Yes it's a fucking possibility.

You are saying It's unlikely?

Schneiderisnext said...

Dr. FORD WAS FOUND WITH BIOWEAPONS IN HIS REFRIGERATOR.

IT'S HARD TO MANUFACTURE BIOWEAPONS. IT'S NOT HARD TO STORE THEM. THEY ARE SEALED VIALS. YOU JUST NEED A TEMPERATURE CONTROL

designace001 said...

Let's move forward a few years.. "Basson is surrounded by cloak and dagger intrigue, as he told Pretoria High court in South Africa that “The local CIA agent in Pretoria threatened me with death on the sidewalk of the American Embassy in Schoeman Street.” According to a 2001 article in The New Yorker magazine, the American Embassy in Pretoria was “terribly concerned” that Basson would reveal deep connections between Project Coast and the United States.

Bioweapons expert Jeanne Guillemin writes in her book Biological Weapons: From the Invention of State-Sponsored Programs to Contemporary Bioterrorism, “The project‘s growth years were from 1982 to 1987, when it developed a range of biological agents (such as those for anthrax, cholera, and the Marburg and Ebola viruses and for botulinum toxin)…“

Basson’s bioweapons program officially ended in 1994, but there has been no independent verification that the pathogens created were ever destroyed. The order to destroy them went directly to Dr. Basson. According to the Wall Street Journal, “The integrity of the process rested solely on Dr. Basson’s honesty.”

Basson claims to have had contact with western agencies that provided “ideological assistance” to Project Coast. Basson stated in an interview shot for the documentary Anthrax War that he met several times with Dr. David Kelly, the infamous UN weapons inspector in Iraq. Kelly was a top bioweapons expert in the United Kingdom. He was found dead near his home in Oxfordshire in 2003. While the official story claims he committed suicide, medical experts highly doubt this story.

In a 2007 article from the Mail Online, it was reported that a week prior to his death, Dr. Kelly was to be interviewed by MI5 about his ties to Dr. Basson."
https://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-project-created-weaponized-ebola-in-south-africa-in-the-1980s/5408896

Schneiderisnext said...

Dr. David Kelly. The dude Tony Blair Murked.

The dude Who predicted his own death.

The dude who was found stabbed in the woods and was reported to have died of a heart attack.


The dude who Tony Blair was asked "DO YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS?"


TONY BLAIR CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR 7
Seconds.

The Japanese Prime Minister ends the Press conference by shaking Blair's Hand.

designace001 said...

Of course we all remember what happened to Dr. Kelly.
and all the rest. Larry's name is on this list.
http://www.christianmediadaily.com/index.php?page=/microb

designace001 said...

You got it Schneiderisnext. I've always wondered about the connection to zion. Sort off the pharma topic but have you gotten into the ciudad juarez connection yet?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/4542094/the-dark-mystery-of-ciudad-juarez-in-mexico-where-1500-women-and-girls-have-been-brutally-murdered-and-dumped-in-the-desert-since-1993/

http://www.latimes.com/la-mexico-drug-pictures-photogallery.html

http://www.flave.online/video/nfTLpIyaIHsJbc

Schneiderisnext said...

Haven't connected it to Mexico yet @designace001 but I'll look into it. Basson was connected to Columbian Drug Cartels, so nothing would surprise me.

jessorella said...

Kudos to you on your incredibly detailed work @Schneiderisnext. I've done some riffling through IMDB and Wikipedia for some of the (clearly less major) blinds but nothing like this. This is real commitment and I applaud you for it. I'm meant to be working so have glossed over some of the longer comments but I don't think what you're finding is a stretch at all. If there's anything CDAN has taught me in the several months I've been reading it, it's that blinds that make you think "no way" easily end up being "way". And I do agree that global depopulation is something that weighs very heavily on the elite's minds. Not to pull the discussion down to the pulp level, but Dan Brown's INFERNO deals with this topic - a virus developed to halt fertility in a massive tranche of humanity to bring back survival of the fittest. Our planet is on its knees with what we're doing to it environmentally, and continued increases in population aren't going to help. Having experienced it personally, I often wonder why infertility (and specifically secondary infertility) are on the rise in many Western countries for often unexplained reasons (I don't buy "we eat too much sugar" as a reason) and yet this settles in online articles as a #firstworldproblem. As for the rest of the world - well, a huge outbreak of disease in third-world countries is much more "normal" to hear about on the news and to "explain away" than if it were to happen in New York or London or Paris. I can well believe that the tools are deployed to suit the situation.

plot said...

"Not a STRAW MAN. Your own words."

For which you prescribed "hate", an emotion you inserted as a strawman. Oh, and I don't defend the LDS.

plot said...

"IT'S HARD TO MANUFACTURE BIOWEAPONS. IT'S NOT HARD TO STORE THEM. THEY ARE SEALED VIALS. YOU JUST NEED A TEMPERATURE CONTROL"

Nope. The biological factors need separate temperature controls, as each requires different set points to stay viable. Also, some need light, some do not. All of them need separate humidity conditions as well. What are your contained bioweapons feeding on, cuz you know, they are living so what elements exist to keep them alive. Oh you can assert that freezing them prevents that but freezing most biological weapons kills them too!

If temperature controls were all any bio-agent needed, we'd all be dead from anthrax by now.

mary lamb said...

It's ridiculous that a few of you, Mormons/people who know Mormons/someone who want's to piggyback because it suits them, could possible think that @schneiderisnext has eluded to Mormans or any fringe faction as being 'bad' people.
Most people don't know whats going on. It's almost funny when commenters moan about how they are of that religion or know so many people who are whatever religion and then blah blah blah.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE RELIGION - IT'S THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENE.

Let's not forget the rampant rape of children in the Catholic church. EVERY church and place of worship. You and your parents, etc, didn't know. Couldn't fathom it.
Sheeps clothing. Shit will go down no matter who you believe in or where you choose to worship.
I'm really sick of the party politics and the religious op-eds.
No, no one thinks it's all Mormons, all Catholics, all Clintons, all Trumps etc. etc. etc....

So let's forget about the Church for a bit (two commas missing, don't care, I type as I speak).

I suggest you all go over to the Church treads and read them in entirety, especially if you're going to challenge she/he. You can't go off half cocked if you haven't read the pertinent information and then cherry pick your 'arguments'. That's just stupid.
And yes, part or all of this should be in @Sneider's latest threads but there are now too many of them to link just one.
An amazing read.

For those of you who have given amazing insights, very cool.









rosie riveter said...

Marylamb, I think you might have a good point... But use punctuation and proper grammar? ..it would be more effective. Try again?

mary lamb said...

Oh, how sweet of you, @rosie riveter to give me another chance!
Okey dokey..

*want's* should have been 'wants'
*possible* should have been 'possibly'
*eluded* should have been 'alluded'
*treads* should be 'threads'

Well excuuuuse meeeee!!!!

I wish you'd had what I've had toight, you'd be so much more easy going, lol.


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Darwinite said...

I think Rational Vaccines has been mentioned in these Church blinds before, but I'll leave this here, just in case:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-herpes-vaccine-rogue-trial-20171101-story.html
It involves Peter Thiel as the financier, and St Kitts and Nevis as the third world location where many adults died.

plot said...

Did you read the article you posted?

No one died. The vaccine looks fraudulent, sure, but only 20 people were part of the test after being flown into Saint Kitts.

Good heads up, though on Rational Vaccines and Peter Thiel's involvement. I hope he loses quite a bit of money there after the investigations are over (though the Trump administration is planning on cutting testing out of the FDA mandate, hurrah!)

Darwinite said...

@plot, on what basis do you say that no one died? I agree it’s true that the linked article doesn’t mention any deaths from that specific small trial in the ongoing series of trials. I think I conflated the many related articles when I stated “many people died”. I also don’t know what the FDA or it’s regulation has to do with any third world countries, perhaps you can enlighten me?

plot said...

So you really didn't read the article you posted.

It explains the FDA involvement or lack thereof.

And that the trials are not ongoing (unless I missed something there.)

jessorella said...

Haven't heard from @schneiderisnext for a few days... :/

Schneiderisnext said...


@Plot is denying the plausibility of historically documented acts.

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S.i.N: "IT'S HARD TO MANUFACTURE BIOWEAPONS. IT'S NOT HARD TO STORE THEM. THEY ARE SEALED VIALS. YOU JUST NEED A TEMPERATURE CONTROL"

@Plot: Nope. The biological factors need separate temperature controls, as each requires different set points to stay viable. Also, some need light, some do not. All of them need separate humidity conditions as well. What are your contained bioweapons feeding on, cuz you know, they are living so what elements exist to keep them alive. Oh you can assert that freezing them prevents that but freezing most biological weapons kills them too!

If temperature controls were all any bio-agent needed, we'd all be dead from anthrax by now.
--------------------------



"A search of Ford’s house unearthed more than 260 containers of biological
material, most of it in a REFRIGERATOR in Ford’s garage, along with the jar of ricin
in his family room."

"Investigation to Ford's backyard. Where Men in Andromeda Strain suits would evacuate a neighborhood and haul away an arsenal of toxins, germs plastic explosives and guns. In a process they unearthed a trail that stretched all the way from the CIA to Apartheid South Africa"

"These discoveries were followed by reassuring statements to the public that the doctors illegal brew of germs was aged and posed little danger. But internal FBI REPORTS state their was a GENUINE PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD, And Dr Mark Horton, head of public health services for Orange County, concedes that had the materials been handled without great caution, they would have IMPERILLED THE COMMUNITY.

It turns out that the assurances were based upon the TESTING of ONLY SIXTEEN OF THE SAMPLES---THEIR HAS BEEN NO OFFICIAL ACCOUNTING OF WHAT WAS IN THE REST [144 unknown biological samples]. The PUBLIC STAEMENTS DID NOT even MENTION the BOTULISM."

All of these quotes are sourced from LA Magazines' article THE MEDICINE MAN

It discusses an FBI informant stationed undercover in South Africa's Germ Program, who physically saw/overheard Larry Ford bring "pigment specific" diseases to kill "Kaffer-killing" germs.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Zl8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=nilsson+%2B+larry+ford&source=bl&ots=Syu3y99ygt&sig=1_bsIRd9rFgzXPge3rDIuGiJuyY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQyJyx5u3YAhUDKWMKHdQOAYUQ6AEwBHoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=nilsson%20%2B%20larry%20ford&f=true

Schneiderisnext said...


S.i.N: @PLOT WHY DO YOU HATE FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS/REPUBLICANS/ALT-RIGHTERS BUT DEFEND MORMONS?"

PLOT: Because neither is true. THAT is a strawman, what you just did there.


S.i.N:

"""PLOT (A FEW COMMENTS UP)

"Oh churches in the USA are big money, and big money laundering and even bigger houses of horror even if they are "legit". The number of fundy churches around here who sponsored Russian adoption trips, then switched to Haiti, and then the members competed with one another for holiest family to adopt the most messed up child, was sickening."""""

S.i.N: Not a STRAW MAN. Your own words.

Plot: For which you prescribed "hate", an emotion you inserted as a strawman. Oh, and I don't defend the LDS.

Schneiderisnext: Dude. You use "fundy" and "sickening" to describe fundamentalists.
One is a slur. The other is a pejorative. Your tone betrays your feelings. On the other hand, you've bent over backwards to defend the "Mormons" & "LDS"

For the record, I think both are corrupt, but you reserve your vitriol for evangelicals and speak way more respectfully about Mormons.

Schneiderisnext said...

South Africa is internationally renown for its prolific governmental bribery and corruption

It's known as "State Capture". Basically big Businesses and international corporations consistently pay for the ability to test on citizens, manufacture in environmentally unfriendly ways, mistreat employees, etc.

The Financial Times 2017

https://www.ft.com/content/36895cd6-a907-11e7-93c5-648314d2c72c

Schneiderisnext said...

A non-denominational Christian Forum has separately discussed this blind with over 150 informative comments

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/01/plague-for-profit.html?m=1

Commenters there note that the current religious movement gaining traction in South Africa is pentecostalism and the word faith movement. Think American style televangelists & mega churches with faith healing/Miracles

They reference the pyramid scheme of ASSEMBLY of God churches, and how these churches tie into the global ASSEMBLY of God infrastructure

They also suggest ties to the Clinton Foundation (they allege, that these mega Churches have financial ties to bigger international churches and charities)

I'm finding indications of direct connections between Dream "Centre" *note the alternate spelling, Dream Centers, and South African HIV treatment clinics.

More to come. I have to work for a living too @jessorella ;)

plot said...

"you reserve your vitriol for evangelicals and speak way more respectfully about Mormons. "

Depends on the circumstances...unless one is after the simplest explanations possible, naturally. In the case of painting a whole religion with one brush, based on the works of one loser doctor, that is going way too far, in my humble opinion, whatever that religion might be.


"These discoveries were followed by reassuring statements to the public that the doctors illegal brew of germs was aged and posed little danger."

Not paying much attention to half of your quotes there. Find me something that says all biological material can be stored inside one condition and we'll talk. Otherwise, the assessments that the bio material of this loser doctor was inert is what we have to go on.

Schneiderisnext said...

This is the web: and there are still gaps: but it's getting clearer

David Geffen through his UCLA funding is working on studies to prevent the transmission of AIDS from Mother to Child

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/UCLA-and-the-David-Geffen-School-7790

http://medschool.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=1158&action=detail&ref=927

He's partnered with a African web of "Dream Centre's" religious/governmental partnership of HIV clinics, where they test/treat pregnant mothers. Ties to an Italian Charity, Assembly of God, and the Catholic Church

http://dream.santegidio.org/2014/04/05/en1266/?lang=en

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27217896/

They treat pregnant mothers with the Aids "cocktail" drug referenced in the newest church blind.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/multi-drug-combo-significantly-235269

More to come

Schneiderisnext said...

@plot.


"These discoveries were followed by reassuring statements to the public that the doctors illegal brew of germs was aged and posed little danger. But internal FBI REPORTS state their was a GENUINE PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD, And Dr Mark Horton, head of public health services for Orange County, concedes that had the materials been handled without great caution, they would have IMPERILLED THE COMMUNITY.

&

It turns out that the assurances were based upon the TESTING of ONLY SIXTEEN OF THE SAMPLES---THEIR HAS BEEN NO OFFICIAL ACCOUNTING OF WHAT WAS IN THE REST [144 unknown biological samples]. The PUBLIC STAEMENTS DID NOT even MENTION the BOTULISM."

plot said...

"THEIR HAS BEEN NO OFFICIAL ACCOUNTING OF WHAT WAS IN THE REST [144 unknown biological samples]"

Which does not magically make any off them viable active biological agents. The blanks in the equation can't be filled with your assumptions (or mine for that matter.) They are simply blanks, non-information.

Schneiderisnext said...

PUBLIC STAEMENTS DID NOT even MENTION the BOTULISM.

Therefore not super trustworthy public assurances huh?

But internal FBI REPORTS state their was a GENUINE PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD

Still haven't acknowledged this have you?


DR MARK HORTON HEAD of PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES for Orange County, CONCEDES that had the MATERIALS been handled without great caution, they would have IMPERILLED THE COMMUNITY.

And you haven't acknowledged this. These are the words of multiple GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS & A 3rd party DOCTOR that say these germs were dangerous.

plot said...

"But internal FBI REPORTS state their was a GENUINE PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD"

But you don't have any idea with that health hazard was and neither do I. You ASSUME it's a bio agent though that is not in evidence.

"CONCEDES that had the MATERIALS been handled without great caution, they would have IMPERILLED THE COMMUNITY."

Which could just as well be chemical agents or even lab ingredients that were not permitted for use in a residential setting.

"These are the words of multiple GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS & A 3rd party DOCTOR that say these germs were dangerous."

There is no disputing that the germ material would have been dangerous if that is what this loser doctor had and if it was still viable.



Schneiderisnext said...

@plot. You insist it's unlikely as opposed to possible. You ignore all evidence to the contrary.

You also never quote anything besides selections from my excerpts. Do you even read these articles. Context matters my dude.

Your perception management engine needs a serious upgrade.

plot said...

To be completely honest, I find it very difficult to read all your posts with their random capitalizations, their disconnected sentence fragments and not a lot connecting one post to another.

BUT, if there are germs (hee!) of ideas there, I'd really like to know them better and help you shore up the far flung connections you make in very dramatic fashion. It all seems a little frenzied at the moment when a good spell of careful thought might be in order.

Schneiderisnext said...

Fair criticism @Plot I'll strive to make things clearer.

Schneiderisnext said...

Moving back to the Fundamentalists which we agree upon.

"Child malnutrition nevertheless remains a challenge to the health of HIV-exposed infants requiring the implementation of sustainable and locally-acceptable interventions in areas with limited resources [22]. The Drug Resource Enhancement Against AIDS and Malnutrition Program, also known as DREAM, sponsored by the Sant’Egidio Community, is pioneer in the prevention of mother-to-child transmission of HIV/AIDS in Sub-Saharan Africa, with 80,000 HIV-infected and/ or exposed individuals in care. At DREAM medical centers, the HIV perinatal protocol integrates, at no charge, antiretroviral therapy with health education and nutritional supplementation during pregnancy and lactation [23,24]. This has resulted in significant infant HIV-free survival rates exceeding 90% at 18 months of age [24]. Infants born in the program are monitored until 18 months of age through monthly checks. In the event of signs of malnutrition, affected children are placed in a tailored malnutrition-control program. The approach entails intensive rehabilitative treatment, for improvement of infant nutritional status, as well as an educational program for the mother or caregiver, so that the child’s diet can be improved.

In the present study we describe the nutritional rehabilitation of 36 HIV-exposed infants followed at a DREAM centre in Malawi"

http://pubmedcentralcanada.ca/pmcc/articles/PMC3315255/

So I'm trying to find definitive connections between this DREAM CENTRE and the U.S. DREAM CENTER

Thedcnettwork.com lists A few "Dream Centre" locations outside of the US but claim to have no active African Missions

However, "FOCUS DREAM Center" was founded by a Kenyan Associate pastor of Liberty Church (home of the now closed Worcestire Dream Center) which is a ASSEMBLY of God megachurch tied to the Barnetts and pastored by a man named "George Cladis"

George Cladis consulted with Jeffrey Katzenberg & DreamWorks SKG during the making of the Prince of Egypt.

Schneiderisnext said...

Background - The DREAM Programme (Geffen + UCLA are contributors)

"Drug Resources Enhancement against AIDS and Malnutrition (DREAM) [1] was created by the Community of Sant'Egidio to fight AIDS in sub-Saharan Africa. The project takes a holistic approach, combining Highly Active Anti-Retroviral Therapy (HAART) with the treatment of malnutrition, tuberculosis, malaria and sexually transmitted diseases."

"The prevention of HIV transmission in the general population and of mother-to-child transmission through Community Care and Home Care services (CCHC) and Mother and Child Prevention and Care (MCPC), respectively, are additional key components of the programme"

Since adherence to ARVs and treatment follow-up are essential for the effective use of HAART in large-scale public health settings, DREAM provides the treatment package FREE OF CHARGE to all patients. This is a crucial element; for many patients, even the cost of transport may prevent them from adhering to treatment. By eliminating the cost of treatment, high adherence rates have been achieved

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2749819/

FREE ARVS. This what we aren't allowed to talk about.

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/todays-blind-items-we-cant-let-you-talk.html?m=0

Sandy 2319 said...

@ April I am so sorry that happened to. I agreed with everything you said and thank you for sharing something so personal.
@Mag shame on you for how you replied to her after she just told you something so deeply personal and hurtful. I really don't understand how you could just be so dismissive. You have no idea what you people are trying to bring into our country. There is a reason people are so against it, many of us have seen firsthand why some cultures can never mix, and that doesn't make you a bad person. We are not bad people for wanting criminals and pedophiles out of our country, And believe it or not in some cultures being a pedophile is socially acceptable and those are the countries Trump is blocking.

Unknown said...

Yes, stay away from science because you used one wrong word and we all know semantics is the foundation for all science.

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