Friday, July 12, 2013

Leah Remini Is A Supressive Person

Leah Remini has confirmed that she has left Scientology. At one point in time, she was thought to be the fourth or fifth highest ranked celebrity in the place, so that is saying something. It all went wrong when she decided to ask David Miscavige where his wife was when Tom Cruise got married to Katie Holmes. That question put Leah on the fast track to five years of thought modification. She says that, combined with the forced separation of families is what finally got her to leave. Here is my one criticism of her for this. During that five years period where she was being out through what she calls misery, she was still publicly a huge supporter of Scientology and had fundraisers and contributed tons of money, and convinced other people to join. What about all those people who she convinced to join who have now given up their life savings and are stuck or might possibly lose their families. She should have bailed right when it happened.

97 comments:

MISCH said...

Yes, it was in the New York Post yesterday. I agree with you, but better late than never..

T. E. Cuz said...

she might not have been able to. who knows what kind of process it is to leave the church. and while she is a technical member, she was probably forced to put on a happy public face.

a non a miss said...

Where's Shelly?

melissa said...

It's a bit tough to schedule an epiphany

She has courage to publicly split based on allegations of how far Scientology will go to retaliate against rebels

libby said...

They sent her AWAY. She's lucky she's famous enough to be missed. Most aren't, and god knows where they ended up.

SeriouslyAwkward said...

I am proud of her for getting out of it. I hope she is just one of many who will finally get out of that stupid organization.

Pip said...

Where the fuck is Shelly?

Anne Walterich said...

I am FULLY AWARE of what site we're on but, please don't judge her choices and timing when leaving a controlling and repressive religious institution. You wouldn't judge the choices of a domestic violence survivor, would you? (Would you?)

Him said...

Dun dun DUNNNN!!!

figgy said...

When someone is that brainwashed, it can be a long hard process to shift thinking, like turning around an aircraft carrier.

Oh come on, just because she encouraged others to join doesn't mean they were bereft of their own free will or capacity for logic. I don't blame anyone but each individual for choosing to believe this outlandishness.

Once two friends and I toured the $cientology building in Washington DC, near Dupont Circle, and we were laughing our asses off so hard we could barely get through it. There was a picture of L. Ron Hubbard in every room, and by "every" I mean including short hallways and best of all, the bathrooms. Despite the "encouragement" of the nice shiny people working there to take a personality test, we were still someone able to remain sentient beings and politely refused.

BlackXacto said...

Apparently she had no confessed skeletons that the church could use against her. Or she took care of her skeletons before she left.

Mary Anne said...

Did she take JBlow with her? Wasn't she the one who got JBlow into being a ScienoNut?

dawn bee said...

^ this ^

dawn bee said...

I wish her well. I've always liked her. I even liked her reality show that followed her through her wedding and then her pregnancy. *hangs head in shame*

Colleen said...

I *LOVE* that the reason this whole thing started was because she asked, "Where's Shelly?" That's my favorite part about the story of her quitting Co$.

MISCH said...

For the past 6 years I've had the "pleasure" of seeing them at Book Expo, the first 2 years they dressed as pirates and grabbed onto us as we walked down the aisles, I'm guessing there were complaints because they've toned it down in the years since...
My friends always take a book and a tote bag to use as a gag gift...

figgy said...

Oh @MISCH, a $cio tote bag would be the best Christmas white elephant gift EVER! (Right up there with the Viagra drug rep tie I got once... "Viagra" repeated all over it, diagonally...)

I wonder how Kevin James was able to stand working with her all those years?

Renoblondee said...

Good for her! Now if only more celebs would follow.

Tyger Lilly said...

I agree with the general concensus here - better late than never. I still find it hard to believe that seemingly "normal" people would believe in a "religion" that was fabricated by a science-fiction writer. And not a very good one at that. It's like forming a religion around the worship of Zaphod Beeblebrox and creating different levels of "enlightenment" like new converts are "Dents" who can become "Ford Prefects". (BTW, I reserve the right to share in any financial gain this new "religion" might bring. Oh, and I guess the estate of Douglas Adams should get something too.)

Anna Nonymous said...

It's very easy to judge and say, she should have done, why didn't she, blah blah, from a third party perspective. I get the feeling that bringing in the donations and recruiting is a big part of things there and while she was figuring things out for herself she toed the line. Could she have done things differently, yes, but she's doing what she can now. I'm not going to dig her for not doing it better or differently. I think this is wonderful and a huge blow to that terribly, vicious, brutal, illegal cult. Good Job Leah!

Anna Nonymous said...

where's Shelly though?

Seachica said...

Sometimes changing things from the inside is more effective than changing things from the outside. I can't fault her for trying to improve Scientology internally. Let's just be happy for her that she has seen the light now.

Bacon Ranch said...

I actually like her now that she left. Good stuff and great news.

Anandamide said...

@Tyger Lily That is funny, as one of my go to answers when asked my religion is "I follow the church of Douglas Adams. 42 to you!" The correct answer is none, but Adams is way more fun. Fun random fact, there is a group around Minneapolis which follows Laurelism; that is, they believe Laura Ingalls Wilder is god. Seriously.

125records said...

Just to give credit where credit is due: Tony Ortega was the first to post this scoop on his amazing Scientology blog, The Underground Bunker. The NY Post used his story without attribution. (I first discovered Tony's site through comments here on CDAN during the Cruise/Holmes divorce, so I wanted to return the favor.)

msgirl said...

Yeah I really don't like this judgmental "should" have left before. She's quite brave for doing it now.

Charlotte. said...

I was pissed when I found out several years back tht she was a Scilon because I really liked her. Now she has left, and left because she saw through the bullshit, I like her even more. I hope she raises a little hell. Or a lot of hell.

rajahcat said...

Good for her. I just don't get what people see in Scientology. It seems very oppressive to me. And just plain weird. Why would anyone put up with five years of though modification for speaking their mind?????
How do these celebs get caught up in this nonsense? It doesn't speak well to their having common sense.

Susan said...

To the Enties: Every post is SO meanspirited these days. Can you ever just be HAPPY for someone??

I always liked Leah Remini. Good on her for getting out. Who knows what process she went through to come to terms to leave this crazy-ass cult that is none to go after it's defectors and detractors. Who knows what it's like to be in her shoes? It's great that she's speaking about it.

figgy - Can I just say that I LOVE YOU for touring the Scientology building with a friend in DC. My sister and cousin lived across the street from that building for years and I was always fascinated/horrified by it. I love that you kept a straight face through it all. Did you have nightmares after?

Gayeld said...

It was on Tony Ortega's blog Monday. The New York Post just kind of forgot to credit him.

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Gayeld said...

In "The Hole." Or in Shelly's case, somewhere worse.

Gayeld said...

*jaw dropping* I want a book bag.

Gayeld said...

While I agree with Enty's statement to some degree (what about all those people you brought in, Leah?) in all fairness, Leah's mother joined Scientology when she was a very small child. She was brought up in it, her whole family are Scientologists, her husband is a Scientologist. And they are not kind to members who leave. This has to have been extremely difficult for her.

Then there's the fact that she has been touting Scientology to the public for years (decades?) and she now has to face all those people that she told this was a wonderful, life changing thing, to and say "Boy, was I wrong!"

Oh, and would somebody please, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, get on the phone to John Sweeney and get him to interview her now?

Gayeld said...

Which can be found here:

http://tonyortega.org/

If you want the scoop on Scientology, this is the place to go.

Gayeld said...

Can we meet at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe? And will there be fish?

Kels said...

What is the appeal of this religion? Seriously. I don't get it. But then again, why Christianity or Islam? Same thing. Because honestly having pics of the leader EVERYWHERE sounds pretty familiar to me....

I am not an atheist, just more of a fan of eastern thought and belief systems.

AKM said...

Yeah, I'm not going to judge her for not leaving sooner. Thankfully she did, period.

AKM said...

Gayeld, are you sure? I thought I'd read that her mother was Jewish and her father was Italian Catholic, and she found CoS as a teen.

Count Jerkula said...

@BlacXacto: She's Italian from Brooklyn. Broad knows how to deal with a skeleton or 2.

Big Ups to Brooklyn.

Vita19a said...

My best friends little sister joined a cult so I’m not going to be critical of Leah.

auntliddy said...

Te, i love that nonsense that they cant leave the church because they signed 100 yr contract!! A normal person wld be like," get the hell outta her! Im leaving!"

HannahBanana said...

Scientology scares the bejesus outta me!!! I can't believe this shit goes on w/ no repercussions. If even half of what is out in the media is true, why are they not being investigated?!?!? Their ruining families, brainwashing...I think that qualifies it as a cult. And isn't that worthy of looking into? And WHERE THE HELL IS SHELLY?!

auntliddy said...

Kels, marx said it best-" religion is the opium of the masses."

di butler said...

My list of Scientologists Juliette Lewis
. Kelly Preston
.Cruise Kent Gray
. Laura Prepon
. Lynsey Bartilson
Travolta Mark Isham
. Marissa Ribisi
. Michael Pena
. Michelle Stafford
. Sophia Milos
Priscilla Presley
Lisa Marie Presley
Jada Pinkett Smith
Will Smith
. Chick Corea
Kelly Preston
. Karen Black
Peaches Geldolf
Kate Ceberano
Billy Sheehan
Ruddy Rodriguez
Haywood Nelson Lee Purcell
Travolta
Kirstie A
Beck
Giovanni Ribisi
Jenna Elfman
Jason Lee
Elizabeth Moss
Greta Van Sustern
Catherine Bell
Bodhi Elfman
Anne Archer
Christopher Masterson
Corin Nemec
Danny Masterson
David Pomeranz
Eduardo Palomo
Erika Christensen
Ernie Reyes Jr
Esai Morales
Ethan Suplee
Geoffrey Lewis
Jason Dohrjng
Jeffrey Tambor
Jennifer Aspen
Jim Meskimen
Judy Norton Taylor
Julia Migenes

Anyone I'm missing? Appreciate all/any help!

di butler said...

Ok, no idea why it formatted that way, it WAS in 2 columns. ��.

List of dead Scienos

Sonny Bono
Johnny Lewis
Isaac Hayes
Jeff Conaway
Stephen Boyd

Didn't Doug E. Fresh die? If not, he goes on other list.

Count Jerkula said...

Jeff Conaway was a CO$??? I guess it didn't help him w/ the drug addiction.

Gayeld said...

BILLION year. Not hundred, BILLION year contract.

Nellie said...

Probably dead

Gayeld said...

From Tony Ortega's story Monday:

>>We’re also told that Remini’s mother Vicki Marshall, who is an Operating Thetan Level Eight (the highest level of Scientology spiritual advancement) and Class Six Auditor, her stepfather, who is Operating Thetan Level Seven, and her sisters are standing by her and have promised not to let Miscavige split the family apart with the disconnection policy.<<

I've read elsewhere (probably earlier on Tony's blog or in the comments) about her mother joining when she was still a child.

Gayeld said...

>>Lisa Marie Presley<<

Out. Big time. Just not advertising it because she doesn't want to be disconnected from her mother and daughter.

Gayeld said...

Oh, speaking of which:

Riley Keough (Lisa Marie's daugher.)

califblondy said...

Oh no not Stephen Boyd!

I'm afraid for her even if she's from Brooklyn.

EllenPo said...

Di Butler,
It is widely thought that Lisa Marie has also left within the last few years. She help Leah and I bet helped Katie too. Tony Ortega's blog is amazing to read and so is Dave Fagan's. He was very high up and left within the past few years. His is written as a way for other members to understand how he came to leave and what he saw,so if you haven't read a lot about scientology or what the terms are you should start out with the Village Voice's expose. It gave a really great intro as to what is going on there.
I can't fathom why the FBI hasn't gone after these people. They've investigated but nothing has happened yet.

skimpymist said...

Where is shelly miscavige. Why haven't the authorities looked into this.

AnonyMousE said...

I just HATE when people say 'he/she/you could'a, should'a and I would'a'! Hate it!

skimpymist said...

@gayeld thanks for the website information. I've recently been obsessed with all things scientology and want to know what really goes on behind the doors of that cult.

megan00m said...

I cant decide now..whether am a hitchhiker or a laurelist! Oh my Zenu! Decisions, decisions. ..

Rose said...

The old Enty knew all about Scientology and what it entailed. She was most likely planning her exit, looking for any wrong doings and possibly collecting evidence. She would have needed to act normal to the public to keep their trust. Good for her for getting out. Scientology is evil.

JoElla said...

Now I can watch the tv show is on without going 'eeeeeeew zenu'.

NernersHuman said...

I could swear I read somewhere that Jeffrey Tambor said he went to a few Scientology things but it didn't appeal to him. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

ldylkng said...

I read where Sharon Case from Y & R is also a member.

paula said...

People have to leave abusive relationships on their own schedule, not when other people think they should.

Kels said...

Marx is an idiot for saying that. Religion is neutral, a concept that can be used for greater good or greater evil. Religion can destroy or uplift- you choose.

REV Martin Luther King is the exact reason why Marx is absolutely wrong with that statement. Mother Theresa anybody?

scratchy kitty said...

Bailing from a cult is a lot easier said than done, Enty. Cut Leah some slack. I for one applaud her courage--Scientology is a very frightening cult.

PugsterMom said...

As a teenager I was walking in Cambridge and asked to take a "public service" survey. Stupid young me said sure! There were other people in some room taking the same supposed survey. When I was done they brought me into a room for an "evaluation" and told that I needed to work on a few things so would I like to take a few classes? I said no. I'm a teenager. The guy behind the big desk then tried to sell me Old Father Hubbard's book. I said no. He became red faced and IRATE. "You don't have a few dollars for the book?" he yelled. I said no and walked out. I can't believe I was so stupid to walk into a house with a stranger in the first place but I look back with a smirk of satisfaction that I pissed him off so much.

Illinois Fan said...

Is anyone else here old enough to remember the TV commercials for Dyanetics? They were on all the time back in the day. It wasn't being advertised as a religion at that time.

Jessie said...

I guess it would be somewhat similar to Jenna Miscavige as well. You've known this as your life for so long and you want to leave more than anything but it's scary and you have to go through however many sessions before you can leave. Good on her for getting out.

Susan said...

Illinois fan - YES!!! I remember them tots! And I remember seeing the book in paperback form in my house. Wasn't the book a best-seller or something?

I'm always baffled that Greta Van Susteran is involved with these quacks. She's always so rational when I watch her interview people.

zeldafitzgerald said...

Jason Dohrjng - Do you mean Logan from Veronica Mars? nooooooo :(

Count Jerkula said...

Dyanetics commercials were a staple of the UHF channels around here when I was a kid.

I guess they were trying to rope in the unemployed who were sitting around the house watching McHale's Navy and the Munsters.

April Walsh said...

I've been reading up on this cult for years. Her family is mostly in, many of her friends, she grew up in it. I think getting up the stones to leave was a long and arduous process. Hell, her nanny, driver, Publicity rep, and probably most of the people in her life were Scientologists that would inform on her if she said she was going. She might be one of the bigger celebs that were in, but that doesn't mean she had power within the cult (I think Tom Cruise and Jenna Elfman are the ones most feared within according to some blogs. In fact, check this one out:

https://scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/leah-remini-has-left-the-building-and-so-will-elisabeth-moss-if-they-keep-bullying-her/

April Walsh said...

@BlackXacto If she doesn't have skeletons, they'll fabricate some. They already registered a smear website against her at whoisleahremini.com. They have the exact same whois sites for Jason Beghe, Tony Ortega, the high-er ups who left like Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder. As much as I don't want to see them "black pr" her , I also hope they try it. Because, ehen they did it to Beghe, he came out swinging. I'd love to see Leah do the same and tear Miscavige a new one.

April Walsh said...

@125records. Yeah. I read it on Tony's Blog Monday, FFS, and the New York Post claims an exclusive on Thursday? They didn't even credit him!

Ann Nah Nah Mess said...

Dianetics is a set of ideas and practices regarding the metaphysical relationship between the mind and body which was created by L. Ron Hubbard and is practiced by followers of Scientology and separate independent Dianeticist groups. Hubbard coined Dianetics from the Greek stems dia, meaning "through", and nous, meaning mind. Dianetics has achieved no acceptance as a scientific theory, and is an example of a pseudoscience.[1][2]

Dianetics divides the mind into three parts: the conscious "analytical mind," the subconscious "reactive mind", and the somatic mind.[3] The goal of Dianetics is to remove the "reactive mind", which Scientologists believe prevents people from becoming more ethical, more aware, happier and saner. The Dianetics procedure to achieve this is called "auditing".[4] Auditing is a process whereby a series of questions are asked by the Scientology auditor, in an attempt to rid the auditee of the painful experiences of the past which Scientologists believe to be the cause of the "reactive mind".

When Hubbard formulated Dianetics, he described it as "a mix of Western technology and Oriental philosophy".[5] He said that Dianetics "forms a bridge between" cybernetics and General Semantics (a set of ideas about education originated by Alfred Korzybski, which received much attention in the science fiction world in the 1940s)[6][7] — a claim denied by scholars of General Semantics,[8] including S. I. Hayakawa, who expressed strong criticism of Dianetics as early as 1951.[9] Hubbard claimed that Dianetics could increase intelligence, eliminate unwanted emotions and alleviate a wide range of illnesses he believed to be psychosomatic. Among the conditions purportedly treated were arthritis, allergies, asthma, some coronary difficulties, eye trouble, ulcers, migraine headaches, 'sexual deviation' (a category which for Hubbard included homosexuality) and even death.[10] Hubbard variously defined Dianetics as "a spiritual healing technology" and "an organized science of thought."[11]

Ann Nah Nah Mess said...

Dianetics predates Hubbard's classification of Scientology as "applied religious philosophy". Early in 1951, he expanded his writings to include teachings related to the soul, or "thetan".[citation needed] Dianetics is practiced by several independent Dianetics-only groups not connected with Scientology, and also Free Zone or Independent Scientologists. The Church of Scientology disapproves of independent Scientology activities and has prosecuted them in court for misappropriation of Scientology and Dianetics copyrights and trademarks.[12]

Ann Nah Nah Mess said...

Hubbard always claimed that his ideas of Dianetics originated in the 1920s and 1930s. By his own account, he spent a great deal of time in the Oak Knoll Naval Hospital's library, where he would have encountered the work of Freud and other psychoanalysts. In April 1950, Hubbard and several others established the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation in Elizabeth, New Jersey to coordinate work related for the forthcoming publication. Hubbard first introduced Dianetics to the public in the article Dianetics: The Evolution of a Science published in the May 1950 issue of the magazine Astounding Science Fiction.[13] Hubbard wrote Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health at that time, allegedly completing the 180,000-word book in six weeks.[14]

The success of selling Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health brought in a flood of money, which Hubbard used to establish Dianetics foundations in six major American cities. The scientific and medical communities were far less enthusiastic about Dianetics, viewing it with bemusement, concern, or outright derision. Complaints were made against local Dianetics practitioners for allegedly practicing medicine without a license. This eventually prompted Dianetics advocates to disclaim any medicinal benefits in order to avoid regulation.

Hubbard explained the backlash as a response from various entities trying to co-opt Dianetics for their own use. Hubbard blamed the hostile press coverage in particular on a plot by the American Communist Party. In later years, Hubbard decided that the psychiatric profession was the origin of all of the criticism of Dianetics, as he believed it secretly controlled most of the world's governments.[15]

By the autumn of 1950, financial problems had developed, and by November 1950, the six Foundations had spent around one million dollars and were more than $200,000 in debt.[16] Disagreements emerged over the direction of the Dianetic Foundation's work, and relations between the board members became strained, with several leaving, even to support causes critical of Dianetics. One example was Harvey Jackins, founder of Re-evaluation Counselling, originally a sort of discrete reworking of Dianetics, which L Ron Hubbard later declared suppressive to Scientology.

In January 1951, the New Jersey Board of Medical Examiners instituted proceedings against the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation in Elizabeth for teaching medicine without a licence.[17] The Foundation closed its doors, causing the proceedings to be vacated, but its creditors began to demand settlement of its outstanding debts. Don Purcell, a millionaire Dianeticist from Wichita, Kansas, offered a brief respite from bankruptcy, but the Foundation's finances failed again in 1952.[18]

Ann Nah Nah Mess said...

Because of a sale of assets resulting from the bankruptcy, Hubbard no longer owned the rights to the name "Dianetics",[18] but its philosophical framework still provided the seed for Scientology to grow. Scientologists refer to the book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health as "Book One." In 1952, Hubbard published a new set of teachings as "Scientology, a religious philosophy." Scientology did not replace Dianetics but extended it to cover new areas. Where the goal of Dianetics is to rid the individual of his reactive mind engrams, the stated goal of Scientology is to rehabilitate the individual's spiritual nature so that he may reach his full potential.

In 1978, Hubbard released New Era Dianetics (NED), a revised version supposed to produce better results in a shorter period of time. The course consists of 11 rundowns and requires a specifically trained auditor.[19] It is run (processed) exactly like Standard Dianetics (once very widely practiced before the advent of NED) except the pre-clear (parishioner) is encouraged to find the "postulate" he made as a result of the incident.[20] ("Postulate" in Dianetics and Scientology has the meaning of "a conclusion, decision or resolution made by the individual himself; to conclude, decide or resolve a problem or to set a pattern for the future or to nullify a pattern of the past"[21] in contrast to its conventional meanings.)

New Era Dianetics is really only a prelude to what is available at the high levels of the Bridge including the incidents: New Era Dianetics for OTs also known as NOTS. It is available after Xenu and the now well known First Wall of Fire. NOTS is also known as the Second Wall of Fire. Free Zone (Scientology) offers a version of it in the Internet.[22]

Ann Nah Nah Mess said...

In the book, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Hubbard describes techniques that he suggests can rid individuals of fears and psychosomatic illnesses. A basic idea in Dianetics is that the mind consists of two parts: the "analytical mind" and the "reactive mind." The "reactive mind", the mind which operates when a person is physically unconscious, acts as a record of shock, trauma, pain, and otherwise harmful memories. Experiences such as these, stored in the "reactive mind" are dubbed "engrams". Dianetics is a proposed method to erase these "engrams" in the "reactive mind" to achieve what is referred to in Scientology as a state of "Clear". A "Clear" is one who is thought to no longer possess his reactive mind.[5]

By his own admission, Hubbard made what he considered was one of the greatest mistakes of his life when he used the biological definition of engram as a "trace on a cell", which was not in line with the proper biological definition.[23]

Hubbard described Dianetics as "an organized science of thought built on definite axioms: statements of natural laws on the order of those of the physical sciences".[24] These Dianetic "axioms" can be found in Hubbard books such as Scientology 0-8: The Book of Basics and Advanced Procedures and Axioms. Unlike conventional therapies, Hubbard said, Dianetics would work every time if applied properly and "will invariably cure all psychosomatic ills and human aberrations."[citation needed] In April 1950, before the public release of Dianetics, he wrote: "To date, over two hundred patients have been treated; of those two hundred, two hundred cures have been obtained."[25]

Ann Nah Nah Mess said...

In Dianetics, the unconscious or reactive mind is described as a collection of "mental image pictures," which contain the recorded experience of past moments of unconsciousness, including all sensory perceptions and feelings involved, ranging from pre-natal experiences, infancy and childhood, even the traumatic feelings associated events from past lives and alien cultures. The type of mental image picture created during a period of unconsciousness involves the exact recording of a painful experience. Hubbard called this phenomenon an engram, and defined it as "a complete recording of a moment of unconsciousness containing physical pain or painful emotion and all perceptions."[26]

Hubbard proposed that, via pain, physical or mental traumas caused "aberrations" (deviations from rational thinking) in the mind, which produced adverse physical and emotional effects. The conscious or analytical mind, out of a desire for survival, would instinctively shut down during moments of stress. The memories recorded during this period would be stored as engrams in the unconscious or reactive mind. (In Hubbard's earliest publications on the subject, engrams were variously referred to as "Norns",[13] "Impediments," and "comanomes" before "engram" was adapted from its existing usage at the suggestion of Joseph Winter.)[27] Some commentators noted Dianetics' blend of science fiction and occult orientations at the time.[13]

Ann Nah Nah Mess said...

In the book, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Hubbard describes techniques that he suggests can rid individuals of fears and psychosomatic illnesses. A basic idea in Dianetics is that the mind consists of two parts: the "analytical mind" and the "reactive mind." The "reactive mind", the mind which operates when a person is physically unconscious, acts as a record of shock, trauma, pain, and otherwise harmful memories. Experiences such as these, stored in the "reactive mind" are dubbed "engrams". Dianetics is a proposed method to erase these "engrams" in the "reactive mind" to achieve what is referred to in Scientology as a state of "Clear". A "Clear" is one who is thought to no longer possess his reactive mind.[5]

By his own admission, Hubbard made what he considered was one of the greatest mistakes of his life when he used the biological definition of engram as a "trace on a cell", which was not in line with the proper biological definition.[23]

Hubbard described Dianetics as "an organized science of thought built on definite axioms: statements of natural laws on the order of those of the physical sciences".[24] These Dianetic "axioms" can be found in Hubbard books such as Scientology 0-8: The Book of Basics and Advanced Procedures and Axioms. Unlike conventional therapies, Hubbard said, Dianetics would work every time if applied properly and "will invariably cure all psychosomatic ills and human aberrations."[citation needed] In April 1950, before the public release of Dianetics, he wrote: "To date, over two hundred patients have been treated; of those two hundred, two hundred cures have been obtained."[25]

janele said...

To add to the list:

Charles Manson claimed he was one, but the Scilons made sure to distance themselves from him.

Nancy Cartwright (the woman behind the voice of Bart Simpson) is a Scilon.

Linda Blair

Bijoux Phillips

Chaka Khan

------

Jeffrey Tambor apparently left the Scilons a few years ago.

To the poster upthread who thought it was Tambor who took a few classes and it didn't appeal to him -- I thought that this was Jerry Seinfeld who did that.

Ann Nah Nah Mess said...

According to Hubbard, the majority of the people interested in the subject believed they could accomplish therapy alone. "It cannot be done" and he adds: "If a patient places himself in autohypnosis and regresses himself in an effort to reach illness or birth or prenatals, the only thing he will get is ill".[61]

auntliddy said...

Gay, a billion is even stupider.

auntliddy said...

And wtf did leah do to her face?

Count Jerkula said...

I thought Manson was at one time affiliated with The Process, a different shyster cult, with some of the same shakedown practices as Scientology?

I read a very comprehensive book on Manson that went into the different shit him and his clan dipped their toes in. The 2 chapters on scientology were redacted from the printing I had, but were available to read online, after a quick Google search.

PugsterMom said...

Not at all surprising.

PugsterMom said...

Ann Nah thank you for that explanation. I read it all. So does anyone think someone like David Miscavige actually believes in this stuff or is he sitting there laughing at the suckers he coins out of millions while exclaiming "I'm king of the world!" ???

Also I find it mortifying how many celebrities are associated with these freaks. Were they conned after they became famous OR did CoS bankroll them to stardom?

Count Jerkula said...

@PugsterMom:

My theory: Many of these people are good actors because there is not really a person inside. From a young age they do the tell people what they want to hear, act how they expect you to act, so they take to acting in roles because that is all they know.

It doesn't take much more than a good line of bullshit to feed their egos and worm your way into their wallets. Look at all the gold digging dunces who do the same shit on a small scale.

Then you have the type of person who got into CO$ hoping it would be their springboard to stardom. These are the types that would sacrifice babies 3 times a day to Satan if it meant wealth, fame and power.

Bottom line, there a whole bunch of stupid, damaged and fucked up people out there. Everyone can't be saved. Concentrate on protecting your own.

Sandy said...

Sorry, Enty; any person who Remini managed to "convince" to join this hairbrained cult is obviously an idiot and deserve what they get.

I've lived in LA all my life and have been accosted by many Scientologist recruiters. All of them look nuts, sound nuts, and are actually fairly easy to elude. Yes, I know they prey on the lonely, the stupid and the otherwise disenfranchised (ie, substance abusers), but no one can force to join a cult unless you allow it.

EllenPo said...

I'm sure Leah was in so deep that, like Katie Holmes, she had to be very careful about her exit and make it seem like all was status quo. I've never been a huge fan of her shows but I've always liked her ballsy way of doing things. From what I've read of the blogs that ex-members wrote, they are not allowed at all to read anything about Scientology on the internet and even people like Leah and Kirstie Alley, who are on twitter all the time, don't research.
I'm sure that all the houses of the famous members are bugged and monitored 24/7. We can only hope that book publishers are lining up to get Leah to write a tell-all and that somehow she can really give the inside scoop. I'd buy that book in a hot minute!

EllenPo said...

Okay, one more and I really need to get my ass up and feed the kids breakfast! This was just on people mags web site. It's a quote from David Miscavige's niece who also escaped and explains why Leah might have been recruiting. Makes sense:

'Miscavige Hill, who wrote an explosive memoir, is very familiar with the dangers of criticizing the church.
Remini, she says, "has been viewed as being a vocal advocate for the church. But what people may not know is that sometimes church members who are in trouble due to stepping out of line, are required to display their advocacy publicly in order to prove their dedication."
Many church members are eager to do this because of their fear of being separated from family and friends if they don't, especially if they have grown up in Scientology like she has."
Meanwhile, sources say, Remini's family, several of whom are high ranking members of the church, are supporting her decision and have vowed not to cut her off. '

di butler said...

Thanks, everyone! I left Priscilla & Lisa Marie because it hasn't been confirmed, as with Tambor, to bezt of my knowledge, they are out. But, I think they probably are.

auntliddy said...

People join a cult, like cos, instead of doing drugs, alcohol, taking meds and therapy for depression, coming out of the closet, facing their past traumas, etc. they substitute one addiction with another- so called religion. Its a framework of coping mechanisms that they crave-anything so their world, their problems, make sense. Think about it- travoltas sexual orientation, kirstie alleys drug problem, tom cruise abusive childhood and being dyslexic- poof!! All magically cured!!

April Walsh said...

@di butler Lisa Marie is out, the veiled comments in interviews and the song lyrics with COS-speak really point to it. But Priscilla is still very much in, from what I hear -- which is probably why she's saying anything against the church outright.

As for Tambor:

"However, in February 2008, Tambor expressed concern about "Internet reports" about his alleged involvement with the religion and stated that he "took some Scientology classes at one time, studied Scientology for a while, but no more. I have nothing against it, but I am no longer a Scientologist."

Good thing, too. George Senior would have way more trouble with his own cult if people associated it with Scientology.

Giraffe-in-a-tutu said...

@gayeld: just wanted to let you know that I just jumped through all 32 hoops to login and comment because I was cheering over your "so long and thanks for the fish" comment. bravo.

ok back to your regularly scheduled gossiping.

Gayeld said...

Woo-hoo!