Monday, February 11, 2019

Blind Item #9 - Grammy Awards

At a party, this permanent A list mostly television actor who played the same part forever and now tries new things every few years was asked about underage sex. He defended his host by saying times were different back then and that even he did that kind of thing back then.

30 comments:

MontanaMarriott said...

The only old permanent TV actor last night was Bob Newhart?

This and That said...

Assuming this is someone from Steven Tyler’s party.

MontanaMarriott said...

But not understanding the "his host" part, anyone?

MDAnderson said...

Kelsey Grammar

This and That said...

The after-party’s host.

Simon said...

MD beat me to it! Good guess; i think it’s him.

MelRose said...

"It was a different time" is becoming a common phrase from the righteous, hypocritical Hollywood elite. It's safe to assume that every man in Hollywood has engaged in this despicable behavior. I believe most of the women have participated as well. Maybe as "victims" but enabling this behavior has lead to an acceptable norm. Dangerous

Brayson87 said...

"times were different back then" You'd think they were talking about slavery in some history book. They personally did it, they were responsible, and they hid it from the public at that time.

Simon said...

Kelsey Grammer was at Steven Tyler’s after party.

Brayson87 said...

How gracious of him to talk about banging minors like it was secondhand smoke or not recycling.

Florence Harding said...

Gotta love the idiots like "MelRose" going on and on about the "Hollywood elites" as if no one is ever abused outside of Hollywood. Most abused kids are abused by someone in their own family.

Liz Pop said...

Yeah times were different because nobody was fighting back. Stupid.

lightgirl said...

Florence, we are talking about Hollyweird.
I think it has been established that you get nowhere there without compromising yourself in sickening ways.
It is run by a sexually perverted power elite.
Calling people idiots doesn't change that.

DJS NOLA said...

DC is basically the same way, having dirt that can be used to blackmail you is how you gain power. ALl you have to do it folow instructions... its why they hate Trump and Rand Paul so much... they dont have anything on them to blackmail them with

Do Tell said...

America was in fact culturally different in the 1970's, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Child abuse didn't even become a national topic until Christina Crawford published Mommie Dearest in 1977, and a lot of the rock groupie stories you hear about involved very young girls who knew very well what they were doing and were aggressively going after it. It my have been that way because it was following on the heels of the Sexual Revolution, and I'm not saying what was going on was a great thing, that is just how it was in a lot of cases and especially when it involved someone famous. The national consciousness didn't really start to change until the 1980's.

Substance D said...

It is despictabalish. No horny teenage girl EVER fell for a rich, handsome, powerful adult male who could buy her clothes and cars and ice cream and she, being cash strapped because she's a goddamned teenager, felt to show gratitude the only way she thought she could.
What you gals go through on your 18th birthday (17th in some states) must be impossible to describe. (Wait- doing a quick spell-check made me realize this could be misconscrewed as sympathetic to male hormones. I can't find a cutting my balls off emoji but just assume one is placed here...)

Do Tell said...

You did a spellcheck on that?

Brayson87 said...

@Do Tell & Substance D, Were the groupies or whoever of age and consenting, not drugged out of their minds, unconscious or minors?
Were the age of consent laws different in the 1970's as well? Or did these guys just feel comfortable doing the curb test where if she sits on the curb and her feet touch the street she's good to go? If they're underage there is no consent. Otherwise you could apply the same twisted pedo logic to prepubescents, are you going to next argue that a 9 year old could know very well what they were doing?

Do Tell said...

The supergroupies of the 1970's, including Sable Starr and Lori Maddox, were underage and consenting. I don't know what the laws were then. You can read their accounts and the accounts of the people that were there at the time and they weren't being coerced. I am not trying to justify it, so don't try painting my posts that way. I am saying that the culture was a lot different then.

Brayson87 said...

Can't consent if you're underage. A bunch of boys would probably love to bang adult models and actresses, doesn't mean it's legal or that they understand it. It's up to adults to be adults. And a lot of those stories have the adult stars giving the underage groupies drugs first which raises other questions. I've read some of those accounts you mentioned, I'm not sold by broken women romanticizing being used as cum dumpsters in their teens as any sort of proof that it was just a good time for every other girl.
But you do have a point, it was a sexist, racist and generally misogynistic culture where people didn't give a sh!t about the welfare of children unless they disappeared, if then.

Henriette said...

Didn't Gene Simmons, who used to be a teacher, brag about having sex with underage girls and their mothers?

Amartel said...

I think it's very fair to say the culture was different back in the 1970s and 1980s. People did not get in trouble for pedo stuff back then, or at least not as much. It was swept under the rug, not talked about, for the "good" of everyone involved. You were told to just steer clear of "that" gym teacher or not hang out at some friend's house because the parent was untrustworthy. I would say that started to change when the priest scandals really got rolling in the 1990s and there was a lot more awareness in general. People realized the damage that it does (in general) to young people. Also, that it is self-perpetuating as victims can feel that they are entitled to do the same thing to others. I also think it's fair to say that while the rest of the culture changed, the entertainment industry, where sex is currency, did not feel obligated to go along with the new rules enforcement. Felt they were exempt and above the law. That's the origin of a lot of the anger at Singer, Weinstein et al. They knew and just continued to use people and throw them away.

HeatherBee said...

Do you know when it’s okay to say it was a different time? When you’re talking about never having to wear a helmet when you rode a bike, not bragging about banging a 15 year old.

Davina David said...

I'm from that time and it was a different time. It was the style especially for teenage girls, to have sex with older men. The style was of course created by older predator men. My sister was caught into it at the age of 12 or 13 as were many of her friends. The older men used to hang out in their trucks at the Dairy Queen to meet the girls after school. The parents in most cases were working and there was the window for the girls to have sex with the older men. If the older guy had pot and long hair back in those days, he was gold. If he had some kind of "connection" or knew "cool" people he was more than gold. It's just the way it was. It was smarmy and it ruined a lot of girls' lives who are now very fucked up middle aged women full of regret. Imagine being a girl growing up in Hollywood at the time. It worked out very well for some girls...Cher and Michelle Phillips being two examples. Other girls not so much. I guess it's even worse today. We need to teach girls and boys (I'll tell my story one day) to value their sexuality and not be influenced by the outside forces, who encourage the promiscuity. They are the predators.

Ginger-n-Juice said...

🙌🏻

J F said...

I'm thinking it was considered ok in the 70's. Because kids were old enough to be beaten with a wooden paddle by the principal (a felony today) so they figured what the hell, a lil molestation or rape should be fine!!!

... after all, why should only priest and politicians get to have all the fun?

J F said...

Ohh.... And back then cigarettes were sophisticated, sexy, and harmless. The 70's was a magical time for sure. But dammit along came the internet and ruined everything! It's Al (I invented the internet) Gores' fault... Thank God we have him and nutjob Occasio-Cortez to save us all from global warming

Substance D said...

The libtard hand wringing about teen hormones is just as worthless as religious suppression. Collective, hive mind thinking doesn't work for the majority of people. We become listless co-dependents, lobotomized by legal drugs and are largely dysfunctional socially and sexually (again, drugs). The chaos I grew up in during the 60's and 70's honed my instincts and forced me to make good decisions. I was raised Catholic so naturally I grew up sexually awkward but I got over it, eventually, because I had the ability to think for myself. People much younger than me today are excessively polite, not the rough-housers I knew back then, and largely pliant to the demands of the nanny state. Sheeple is the popular term these days. Or to be slightly more technical: passive/aggressive. But then, if that's all you know, you won't understand self-reliance and when you should not be obsequious and polite and when you should not ask total strangers how their day is going or hold the door open for someone who is still thirty yards away. And you should not clutch the pearls, aghast when fake news sends you galloping to the medicine chest to calm your easily manipulated nerves, already!

longtimereader said...

Just imagine the bill wyman/mandy smith affair these days. They do have a point, you could get away with a lot more back in the 70/80's.

Amartel said...

It was a different time back then for bike helmets, ciggies, and for pedo sex ... and that is just the truth.
Don't punish people for telling the truth.

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