Monday, October 28, 2019

Today's Blind Items - Literature With A Twist Of Evil

As Halloween approaches, there will be thousands of people who wear the costume of this famous female character from literature who has had cartoons and live action movies made about her. Th thing is, she is based off a real person. A person the author knew very well. This person was about 10 at the time. Our author was a grown man. He was allowed to get close to this little girl because the girl's father shared the same profession as our author. Apparently the two families were very close, until they weren't. The author was obsessed with this little girl and wanted to spend as much time with her as possible. It got to the point where the girl's parents feared for the safety of the girl and broke off contact with the author, and it was sudden. One event, and the next day, no contact ever. No one to this day is entirely sure what happened, but the author wrote his book about her. 

50 comments:

Brayson87 said...

Alice?

Tricia13 said...

Steven King?

alan said...

so are we in for some robert evans B.I. reveals?
https://variety.com/2019/film/people-news/robert-evans-dead-dies-chinatown-producer-1203385589/?fbclid=IwAR30RjRsFbmR51rVwPc1umbIRpirCLMkfyjtDqeSCzImb_Lgznuml1-Xf-4

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longtimereader said...

Alice Obvs.

Tricia13 said...

William Peter Blatty-The Excorcist?

sandybrook said...

I would think most cosplays would either be Lara Croft or Black Widow but they are video and comic book characters

Brayson87 said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll

Dumblesnore said...

Alice in wonderland, I've read this story before, great Halloween blind.

Brayson87 said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#Controversies_and_mysteries

Cohen goes on to note that Dodgson "apparently convinced many of his friends that his attachment to the nude female child form was free of any eroticism", but adds that "later generations look beneath the surface" (p. 229). He argues that Dodgson may have wanted to marry the 11-year-old Alice Liddell, and that this was the cause of the unexplained "break" with the family in June 1863,[26]

Vita said...

Alice is a great guess! I was thinking Dorothy, but Alice makes much more sense

sandybrook said...

Frank Baum/Dorothy Gale/Wizard of Oz?

KnitWit said...

Nabokov's Lolita?

MyDogSmiles said...

Holy shit! Lewis Carroll and Alice Liddell. Trippy stuff.

MyDogSmiles said...

Alice Liddell was also Carrol's inspiration for Through the Looking Glass.

HeffalumpsAndWoozles said...

Alice Liddell also posed nude for Lewis Carroll to draw on more than one occasion.
Apologists have just called this a normal practice in Victorian Society.

Red Velvet Boots said...

Smart parents.

Wonder Woman?

Unknown said...

Sure, some author was obsessed with the real-life 10 year old Wonder Woman. And so many little girls go trick or treating as Lolita.

gauloise said...

Saw a BBC documentary on this. It is def Alice and Carroll

He also took nude photos of Alice's sister Lorena

Amartel said...

Lolita/Nabokov?
J/k, sort of, because a lot of ladies dress up like Lolita.

kiki71 said...

of course Lewis Carroll and Alice. Always wanted if his 'interest' was more nefarious.

Unknown said...

The real life door to Wonderland is the door between Corpus Christi college and Christchurch college at Oxford University.
I have been through it.
I was not late for a very important date.
🐇⏰

J said...

Carrie and Stephen King?

Count Jerkula said...

Alice must have been one of them lap wigglers, teasing the poor fellow into a frenzy.

Simon Jenkin said...

it's def lewis carroll. it's not exactly a secret, either. not least because he's been dead for 120 years. not much point making it a blind. further evidence this site is headed down the flusher

Jan 15 said...

This is a gossip blog. But the ideas about Carroll have been out for awhile. Is there any new information? This blind is presented as if there is new factual proof. I would suggest that since literature scholars have not noted any new proof, that there is no new information. I call this blind a bust. (Sorry).

Brayson87 said...

@Simon, It's something that most people don't know about, I only found out a few years ago because I knew someone interested in the books. It's historical gossip, like how Santa Clause is the patron saint of yachters and not just because he says ho ho ho. 🎅🚶‍♀️🙋‍♀️⛵🛳

Vita said...

One of the times Wendy Williams cracked me up, she picked up a HO HO HO pillow they were showing as a great gift, and she said something like, "Or for the right person...Ho Ho,Ho!" And gave one of her famous glances at the camera! 😂

Vita said...

I dont consider this type of blind a bust at all! Any Old Hollywood/historical figure blind has the potential to be known. However, I would argue that the average reader or Disney/Burton Alice fan probably doesn't know this info. And, often times, it is learning these odd tidbits that can spark interest and further reading. JMO

AbbyRock said...

Alice in Wonderland

Entycommenter said...

This will explain it all and some...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1082454356711129088.html

Jan 15 said...

@Vita "spark interest and further reading". Valid point. Thank you.

Jennacheryl said...

Steven King is not a sycophant or pedophile.

Kansa said...

This is Lewis Carroll and Alice, with whom he was obsessed. He even had clothing of hers, and her mother had to stop him from being around her so much and requesting everything she ever touched. Knowing that, it completely ruined the story for me. (Although I hadn't read it in years, I am just not interested in anything he ever wrote, anymore. Same thing with Charles Dickens. To know that "sainted man" locked up his wife in an insane asylum so that he could have an affair with her cousin, takes all the pleasure out of reading anything he wrote.)

Krissie said...

Wow, learn somethin new evry day

AListDiva said...

I was Alice back in 2011, sooo creepy! I gotta Google this now!

Krissie said...

Ha i stil have my Alice costume from 2016

Travelgrrl said...

Charles Dodgson was an eminent mathematician and an Oxford Don (as was Alice Liddell's father). He was shy, a stammerer, had a wonky eye, and supported nearly his entire family of unmarried siblings through his work.

He was also a pioneering photographer, and any art exposition of early photographs has a few of his featured. His portraits of children, clad and nude, are nearly as famous as his two books for children.

Yes, he was infatuated with all of the Liddell children (not just Alice), and in fact it's been theorized that his proposal to Alice's older sister is what caused the nearly irreparable break with the Liddell family.

The truth is, the man was obsessed with the innocence of small children, and fairly cruelly discarded them when they grew to adolescence. Alice was just one of many he was enraptured with, remembered only because of the tales he told her family about Wonderland, which she cajoled him to write down (and illustrate), which became extremely lucrative for him, and bringing him a notoriety he didn't seek.

Reading his correspondence is a real eye opener, as he begs parents to let him photograph their young children, nude. Bowing to societal pressure, he acknowledges that the older girls can't be photographed so, "But please, let me shoot Fanny and Primrose! And maybe Mary too, as she's barely 12!" Just reams of letters like that. And his nudes of children are classically styled, not prurient in of themselves, and there has never been a suggestion that he touched or interfered with a child in any way, ever.

But in today's views: Holy shit. He loved small children, he begged to shoot them in the nude, and he many times jilted the tykes when they reached adolescence, in a pretty callous manner.

For reference, here's Alice Liddell as a child, in a pretty sultry pose. She would go on to nearly marry Queen Victoria's son Leopold, who died young of hemophilia. https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/283092

Vita said...

Thanks, Jan15, that was nice.☺

Maggie T said...

Yep Google Alice in Wonderland, Alice Liddell.

BRAD PITT said...

Alice drinks mystery liquid / takes mystery pill to take her to a magical place full of wonder and danger

ah huh

sounds like drugging/ pedophilia to me

MissDavie said...

This is definitely Lewis Carroll and his obsession with Alice Liddell who also had two sisters.

Unknown said...

👍

Dahling said...

The fucking Q Anon conspiracists have lit on this thread. FFS!

veee said...

How is this a blind when there's been a frickin movie made about this?

Krissie said...

@Brad Pitt yeah you're not far off, Wonderland is like a dissociative state where the child "escapes" while she's being raped/molested/etc.

Bonby Haud said...

This is it, no doubt. I know this story too well

Diablitos said...

L. Frank Baum - Dorothy - Wizard of Oz

memyselfandi said...

Ugh, I had never heard any of this before. Yuck.

5551423 said...

road dahl, alice in wonderland

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