Friday, August 31, 2018

Four For Friday - Unholy Hatred

Back in the day, the music biz was a lot different than it is now. Rock bands could start in someone's garage or basement and with some luck and talent, get famous overnight. Unscrupulous managers and record labels often roped these hungry musicians into fine print contracts which made promises of money and gave lots of perks.  The perks were often women, drugs, and the trappings of fame. What many of the bands didn't realize was that they were actually paying for this excess, to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars in debt to managers and record companies. Only a few really savvy musicians didn't fall into that trap, and today's blind is about one of them.

Our musician was a child prodigy and extremely talented in his genre. We'll call him Mr. R. He joined forces with another legendary musician and formed a band that was critically acclaimed in their time, but may not be so much on the radar of younger people now. Mr. R was not only a creative force in this band, but was also the brains behind their finances. Mr. R's grandfather was a shrewd immigrant store owner who taught Mr. R accounting and bookkeeping when he was young.  Mr. R would often visit his grandfather's store and sit with him as he went over his ledger books, while his grandfather taught him the basics of running a business. Turns out that not only was Mr. R musically gifted,  but he also had a photographic memory for numbers. This was indeed a valuable skill and even landed Mr. R a part time bank teller job as a teenager in his town, which was unheard of at the time.

Mr. R's bandmates were also a dynamic individuals as well. The most noteable of them I'll call Mr. J.  Mr. J also came from a hardscrabble immigrant background and had been trying to make it in the music business for years when he met and joined forces with Mr. R. Together they knew they had a genius combination of talent and would be a huge success in the rock n' roll world. Not only was Mr. R a gifted musician, he was also ahead of his time in terms of marketing and branding. Mr. R also understood that merchandising was also going to be an important part of the business, which netted the band a lot of money in the future. In addition, he designed an innovative business plan for the band while keeping a tight fist on the band's finances.

The band did indeed become very successful and was also critically praised for some of their work. The problem is that over time, Mr. J became insanely jealous and resentful of Mr. R's talents and financial savvy.  Mr. J complained to anyone who would listen that Mr. R was exerting too much control over the band's business and financial matters. The sad part is that thanks to our musician, Mr. J was very wealthy and had been for the most part protected from predatory managers and contracts due to Mr. R's shrewd business practices. What had also helped was that Mr. R had met an infamous billionaire who gave him a lot of valuable financial advice that he was able to implement in managing the band's finances.  This did not matter to Mr. J though, because he was too blinded by his own ego, too many drugs and just greed in general to appreciate the work that Mr. R had done. This irrational jealousy towards Mr. R eventually boiled over in an extreme way when Mr. J physically attacked him and almost killed him while they were on tour. It was at this point that Mr. R decided to leave the band, which he did and never looked back.

The band continued on in various incarnations, doing well for a number of years more.  What isn't widely known is that Mr. R's savvy business acumen also protected his financial interests AFTER he left the band as well.  Mr. J was livid when he realized that not only were Mr. R's interests totally protected in their financials, but they were also irrevocable. This meant that Mr. J could not cut Mr. R out of any future profits from his past work with the band. Of course Mr. J spent innumerable hours with lawyers and accountants trying to find loopholes which could be used to eliminate Mr. R's piece of the revenue stream from his past work, but it could not be done. The financials were brilliantly structured, similarly to an irrevocable Trust - the infamous billionaire's advice had clearly been put to good use. All the band members shared equal parts of the money, and if one of them died, then a portion of their money would go to their surviving relatives and the other portion would revert back to the surviving band members. Once all the band members were dead, then the money would go into a Trust-like entity which would pay out monies to surviving descendants in perpetuity. This was ironclad and Mr. J was enraged that it could not be changed to steal monies from Mr. R that he was legitimately entitled to.

Mr. J harbored his extreme hatred of Mr. R for years about this, even though Mr. R's savvy business dealings helped make Mr. J a millionaire many times over. When there was a later phase in Mr. J's career in which he was extremely successful both commercially and critically,  he was unable to enjoy that fully due to his rage.  This is because Mr. R had contributed several of the ideas for the project many years before, and had carefully documented them. And because of that, Mr. J's lawyers had no choice but to write Mr. R a big fat check.  The sad part is that not too long after, Mr. R was found violently murdered in his home. The murder has never been solved, and since Mr. R never married or had children, his piece of the band's earnings finally reverted back to the band and Mr. J.

121 comments:

Tricia13 said...

The Rightouea Brothers?

Ophelia said...

I don't have a legitimate guess yet but searched murdered musicians (judge me as you will, Google) and Anne Boleyn came up

VirgilHilts said...

Nah not The Righteous Brothers, they still performed up until Bobby Hatfield died from heart failure from too much coke shortly before a gig.

sandybrook said...

New York Dolls David Johansson, Johnny Thunder (the one who was murdered) and Sylvane Sylvane?

totaji said...

Dolls made no money

Kno Won Uno said...

If you’re not watching Aretha’s all-day homegoing, you’re missing a lit event. L I T

Erin Sheehy said...

Bryan Harvey?

Unknown said...

Was it Robbie Robertson? Attacked by the burned out keyboardist... the one with the falsetto? Richard Manuel? Wild guess here. I know Robbie put his name on all the credits and ripped everyone else off.

Unknown said...

Lenny Breau?

John the peon said...

Who was the infamous billionaire??

Unknown said...

I thought for sure this was leading to Gene Simmons. The guy is very good with his finances, a marketing whiz and the headline "Unholy" is the name of a Kiss song. Up until the part about him getting murdered.

Humor Me said...

could this be the Temptations?

p keel said...

Gary Driscoll

Stephe96 said...

I was gonna guess Pink Floyd, but I guess not

Kevin Connolly said...

Peter Tosh?

Duke Hally said...

Alice Cooper?

longtimereader said...

The billionaire must be geffen.

shawn fleming said...

Jeff Hanneman was murdered by a spider- Slayer has HUGE Merchandising- I will go with Slayer

Kevin Connolly said...

Bryan Harvey?

BestMan said...

Thats what I thought, but I cant picture Bob being insanely jealous.

Susan Finley said...

Marvin Gaye? Berry Gordy for billionaire.

Lurky McLurkster said...

Gary Driscoll is probably a good guess, p keel. +1

Susan Finley said...

Had children; nevermind.

Kevin Connolly said...

Rusty Day?

zuma said...

The Billionaire has to be JP Getty, since Trusts were his thing.

totaji said...

Jones/Jagger?

Geeljire said...

+1

J F said...

I'm going with Peter Tosh and Bob Marley. Both from immigrant backgrounds and blind references their success in their specific genre

DCThrowback said...

Jagger would be the one with the business acumen tho totaji

totaji said...

Jones is the dead one, Jagger is the one who gets it in the end.

DCThrowback said...

And Jones had 4 kids

totaji said...

The line about incredibly talented points to Jones

totaji said...

Yep! It doesn’t work.

Geeljire said...

Here's something for the Marlet guesses
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/08/i-killed-bob-marley-ex-cia-agent-confesses/

BestMan said...

Tosh had kids.

Some One said...

@Kevin
Rusty Day did have children - his son was also killed when he was killed.

Unknown said...

Brian Jones and Keith Richards.

longtimereader said...

The stones only started making serious money in the 70's after they met prince Loewenstein who also handled pink floyd's finances. Bill wyman's book details how little they got under alan klein.

J F said...

Tosh was a musical savant that taught himself to play guitar by simply watching another guy play a song for 30 minutes then played it back to him perfectly. He also taught himself keyboards.

He was not married and had no kids (had a common law wife is all)

R = Reggae or Rastafarian?
J = Jamaica ?

Billionaire probably Richard Branson

MDAnderson said...

Big reggae fan. Andrew tosh is peter tosh son. Chris Blackwell is associated with Marley and tosh and he’s not a billionaire.

NateInSoCal said...

I think the title of the blind is supposed to be a clue, but I can’t figure it out.

BestMan said...

If Tosh had no kids, the ones that are fighting in court for his money will be very surprised.

yepthatsme said...

DANCING BOY OR TIGER WOODS OR ELON MUSK?

BestMan said...

Did anyone die in Black Sabbath?

Jon said...

Wasn't Tosh's killer caught and he pled guilty?

BestMan said...

That's interesting.

J F said...

Correction... he has two kids both concieved out of wedlock. He was never formally married though.

But, most of the rest fits pretty well

p keel said...

Gary Driscoll band bible black

Geeljire said...

R=onnie
J=ames
Dio

Geeljire said...

Driscoll was found dead[10] in a friend's home in Ithaca, New York in June 1987 at the age of 41. His brutal murder remains unsolved with no apparent motive, although it is rumored to have been drug related. The man initially arrested for the crime was acquitted at trial. There have been leads in the case, and the person of interest has fled the country.

p keel said...

+1

Unknown said...

After reading up on Jones/Jagger+Richards, I don't think that quite fits. For one of many reasons, 'violently murdered' doesn't fit Jones COD. Also Jones left the band in '69 and died the same year, but there seems to have been some time between Mr. R's departure and his murder. Finally, Jones had children.

PapayaSF said...

I'm not seeing evidence of Driscoll having huge financial successes or much merchandising.

Jon said...

Dio is long dead as well. Wouldn't the blind have mentioned that? Also, I don't know that Dio or Rainbow are making any money for remaining members.

pixiegothy said...
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pkelly491 said...

Agree that this is likely Gary Driscoll, Ronnie James Dio

Band(s): Elf, then Rainbow (when Driscoll was kicked out).

Geeljire said...

Musicians who were bank tellers
Musicians who fought one another while touring
Musicians with no issue

The only other guess I like is Hanneman

Geeljire said...

If it was sheltered in trusts you can appear very broke on paper.

PapayaSF said...
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p keel said...

I'm still trying to find out who was aquited in Driscoll murder and fled the country it seems to have been scrubbed

PapayaSF said...

Frankly, I think this might be a fake blind. There's no overlap in the Venn diagram of "very successful child prodigy musicians in an acclaimed band who did well with merchandising" and "unsolved murders of musicians." I'd never heard of Elf, and was Rainbow all that successful and acclaimed?

Krab said...

Child prodigy legendary rock musician says Steve Winwood to me.

Stupidpervs said...

My Google search isn't acceptable to human standards lol

p keel said...

I'm 45 yes they were good

p keel said...

Why do you think I chose Driscoll it's because I remember when the murder happened and grew up on classic rock

treefrog said...

Holy Diver is considered one of the greatest metal genre records ever made.RJD was also credited for inventing the horns hand gesture metal fans use

Joe said...

Possibly: Big Star, Alex Chilton (child prodigy), Chris Bell (died young in car crash)?

Tiff said...

Driscoll didnt have any money. . . Not him

Dreamnose said...

Yes true, and would explain the blind title

toecheese said...

Brian Jones & Jagger could be possible,with Getty as the advisor since he lived in England.Jones didn't have legitimate issue so that could be a red herring.If going with the other guesses, Blackmore would be my pick over Dio.Blackmore always stayed in the bands but changed the names which could have been to avoid paying money to Mr.R. If the money was structured in a certain way then the recipient could have appeared broke on paper like someone else wrote. If Mr.R was a financial genius he could have also lived like a pauper by choice.Money geniuses have been known to do that. Wonder why there is so little available online on the Driscoll crime.

Morning Lorri said...
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LondonGirl said...

After some research, Albert J Jackson, Booker T and the MGs for Mr R - The genre being Stax. Professional drummer at 14

Unknown said...

I was trying to make Randy Rhoads work for this one. He was part of Quiet Riot, was a bit of a prodigy with the guitar, left Quiet Riot (and the band continued on without him), and then went to work with Ozzy. He was killed in a plane crash and the pilot was intoxicated.

Angela said...

None of those bands (apart from the Stones, who don't fit, and a few others) has made any serious money.
Big Star were notorious losers, which is part of their legend.
Ronnie James Dio died from cancer, he was not a founding member of Black Sabbath.
Mick Jagger studied economics in college, but it was indeed thanks to his ties with prince Rupert zu Loewenstein that he turned the Stones into a money-making band during the 70s. All their 60s money was lost to Decca and Allen Klein.

Even if that blind is most likely a fabrication by the guy who also takes the "Himmmm" mantle (based on urban legends that circulate in the music industry), it's quite easy to put together a list of musicians who were murdered, especially at home:

https://www.ranker.com/list/musicians-who-were-murdered/celebrity-lists

Peter Tosh (part of the original line up for the Wailers, but he died years after Bob Marley)
King Curtis (but a dealer did it)
Bryan Harvey (not famous enough to be featured here)
Rusty Day (Cactus, case unsolved)
Jaco Pastorius (Weather Report)

From all those guys, the name that fits the most is Rusty Day, who worked with Carmen Appice, from Vanilla Fudge, and Tim Bogert, but left the band a few years before he died.

Geeljire said...

Rusty Day had a son and you're an idiot

Geeljire said...

"Let me use all these words to demonstrate my intelligence!"
>can't even read

mercyprosperity said...

It's a fake blind.
Closest I could find was the Brad Delp and Tom Scholz feud in "Boston"; but Delp committed suicide by carbon monoxide.
(He used two barbecue grills and a hose. Pretty bizarre.)

BestMan said...

https://youtu.be/V8XTpCwicwE

Geeljire said...

WAIT HERE'S ANOTHER ESSAY ON HOW RUSTY DAY'S SON IS TOTALLY CONGRUENT WITH THE FAKE BLIND, ON THIS SITE FILLED WITH LIES, RUN BY ENTY, THE LIAR

DDonna Tarttty said...

I am at a loss! Several of these seem to be in the ballpark, but I have no idea. I was thinking possibly Curtis Mayfield and the Impressions, but he had children and I guess the falling light fixtures didn't kill him.

Hope we get a reveal for this some day. I am fascinated!

Nrg Iseternal said...

The answer is definitively the who and the title is a reference to their song unHoly Trinity

Nrg Iseternal said...

Also the word who was used three times in the blind

Nrg Iseternal said...

J is John entwhistle who was found dead in hotel under mysterious circumstances. R is Roger daltry, the definition of a malignant narcissist

Kevin Connolly said...

Entwistle was not "violently murdered" and he was in the band until the day he died. Try harder.

The Solo Activist said...

That's where my thoughts went too.

BestMan said...

Who is it?

akbar johnson said...

Was it Menudo? I think one of them came from an immigrant background.

AppleThief4Elliot said...

Just not that many rock stars who we KNOW were murdered. I was trying to make Ronnie James Dio or John Bonham fit, but nope. Maybe someone from a Southern band? Allman's or somebody?

rosie riveter said...

No, really. No one cares what you think Angela

rosie riveter said...

If this was spoken word, it would sound like Ms.Othmar
(Google it, bitch)

Neal M said...

The title "unholy hatred" is a play on Rio's album "Holy diver"
All the clues aren't totally accurate, but it is clearly Driscoll for Mr R (Rainbow) and Mr J is Ronnie James Dio.

Neal M said...

typo - Dio not Rio

AppleThief4Elliot said...

Yeah, but Dio died of stomach cancer.

I'm Outraged! said...

rosie riveter - "No, really. No one cares what you think Angela",
Are you a 13yo schoolgirl?

Sd Auntie said...

Saw Peter Tosh in the 80's and he was awesome!!!! With Bunny Wsiler!! Bob was long gone from cancer. Wish Peter, Gregory Isaac's and Dennis Brown were still here!

Catherine said...

Bobby (Robert) Fuller, Bobby Fuller Four, band

mate Jim Reese...?

Haywood Jablomee said...

Kinda drunk, but first instinct was j = Jon Bob Jovi, R = Richie Sambora. Both were the prime members and others members of the band got minimal
credits if any, and became salary players. Go Badgers!

Haywood Jablomee said...

Too bored to read the rest of post. Ignore previous post.

Tiff said...

This does not fit driscoll and Dio.

Angela said...

@I'm Outraged

You can't underestimate the effect that this message by Rosie had on me.

We all know famous speeches that are as riveting today as they were decades or centuries ago. The Gettysburg address, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself", "I had a dream", etc. This message by Rosie was definitely in the same league as these speeches.
It single-handedly persuaded me to stop writing here and to kill myself. Then I managed to resurrect, with the only purpose to acknowledge here all my past mistakes. That's how powerful her message is. I didn't know that Rosie had such powerful rhetorics in her. It definitely comes from someone who is motivated by pure an noble ideals, and who speaks the language of truth.

So, goodbye to you all. The site has never fabricated any blind item to serve any agenda. Also, I'm definitely a Jew.

Adrastia said...

About the Dio guess (and guesses anywhere on CDAN for that matter), supposedly many blinds have red herrings right? Sometimes the details are just changed a bit to avoid lawsuits. So is it necessary to totally pick them apart with forensic equipment? I don't think they need such tight scrutiny. It's probably best to approach them with a more open mind because chances are they do have some details altered.

Although this could be a fake. Too many musicians kinda fit. So it's easy to use your imagination.

I don't know what to guess here. I guess I'll go with Dio with the details intentionally muddled.

Gary Driscoll's murder doesn't have any known motive, right? I've heard it was probably drug related. If there's anything really out of the ordinary about it, then because people tend to think musician=drugs they will often leave it at that and not think further on. Much like what happened with Chris Cornell. I don't believe he was murdered. But I hate the false information about drugs in his system that keeps going around because he had an addiction problem in the past and some medications he was prescribed were in his system at the time of death in normal doses.

Angela said...

@Adrastia

The actual guy behind "Himmmm", the one who switches between the personas of different celebrities he feels some kinship with, tried at some point in his life to be a professional musician. He is a huge Chris Cornell fan, and he may have exaggerated his connections with him. Years ago, he posted as "Himmmm" some very disparaging comments about Cornell's first wife. Then, after Cornell died, he had no bad words about her anymore, but the target of his hatred had switched to Vicky Cornell.

It looks like that "Himmmm" just can't face the idea of one of his idols being depressed and killing himself without any "good reason", so he puts the blame on the wife. I think he is the main source for many claims published on this site that Cobain or Cornell were murdered (even if they weren't signed "Himmmm"). It's likely that Cornell's wife is not a good person, and that she was one of the reasons that pushed Chris Cornell to suicide, but the murder conspiracy is some childish stuff that reveals very little about Cobain (who had a well documented history of depression and suicide attempts) or Cornell. They just show that some guy can't stomach his idols and inspirations being clinically depressed.

Velora said...


Ritchie Blackmore and Ronnie James Dio. Driscoll is relevant but a red herring, IMO.

Blackmore signed ELF to Purple Records and they recorded their first album at The Manor Studio (the 13th century castle) owned by Richard Branson. ELF opened for Deep Purple for a few tours, IIRC.

Blackmore broke up DP to form Rainbow, which was kept secret from the rest of DP even though ELF knew about it.

Blackmore has a book out now and probably needs publicity or something.

Found a blog with the info from Craig Gruber.

http://jeffcramer.blogspot.com/2009/11/very-candid-conversation-with-craig.html

Nrg Iseternal said...

You ridiculously poor excuse for a shill. No one actually knows how he died. I'm not going to do your research for you but there's plenty of people suspicious about the manner in which he was found dead.

Also he had to physically play with the band prior to his death

Nrg Iseternal said...

Seriously, the astroturfing here is outta control. If anyone would like to discuss this in a place that isn't full of clutter and blatant slide attempts if you know the meaning of the word app epononymous I can be found.

Geeljire said...

Wallahi if Rosie just accomplished that I'm gonna have Mr. Hedge mail her a check

Geeljire said...

Speaking of unholy hatred I hope you all saw Hedge dunk on Kappy

DDonna Tarttty said...

Angela is the poster I read least. If I see that name, I just scroll right past. Even Plot-TWISTED has made a valid observation from time to time. Angela is 100% disinformation and painfully long-winded to boot. Only thing he seems to be accomplishing is long blocks of text to slow the scrolling experience; otherwise the shilling is totally incompetent.

eeorr said...

elvis was in the dry cleaning business. Then we have the colonel. But, Nick Adams was NOT a musician and Scott Adams doesn't seem to have hated Elvis all that much, but look under Scott Adams and you will find it. Sorry if the names are at all wrong

Tessa aka VelvetVoice said...

Styx. Dennis De Young is Mr. R(oboto). Not sure which of the bandmates hate him that much but there's certainly a YOOGE rift there with claims of DDY having to tight a grip on creative etc.

Angela said...

That's quite funny, Donna, to call me "100% disinformation" on this particular topic.

My side job is actually writing in the musical press for nearly two decades, mostly for a major French publication. I don't write a lot for them every month, it's not my main gig, but I'm a regular contributor, in good standing. So, thanks for the laughs. I hope I haven't shattered your delusional beliefs that what the site currently publishes is true.

This time, my base for the blind being dubious is that no important rock musician who has been murdered (there aren't actually a lot of them) fits the description (former band member, rivalry with another guy in the band, murdered at home, unsolved crime). So, if this part is sloppy, the rest is likely to be. Some elements for that story may be true and discussed by people in the music industry, but these elements went through the grapevine and were embellished before they were collected here, without any check-up.
Anyway, the first paragraph (generalities about the music industry) is quite derivative from a popular essay by producer (even if he hates the title) Steve Albini, "The Problem with Music," in which he explains how the advances system works, and how it is rigged.
Regarding the writing style, it fits stuff that "Himmmm" tended to publish here. There's also the plot twist that the guy ends up murdered, which is, at this point, turning into "the call was coming... from inside the house" for this particular site.
I could go on and on, but as you can't read long messages, that would be useless anyway.

rosie riveter said...

As if DDonna will read this lol
No one will.

rosie riveter said...

and anyway..
WHATTHEFUCK?
I thought you were going to recite the viddui and go to the light (dark), paskudnyak ?

rosie riveter said...

I HAD MONEY RIDING ON IT
/#($&#;÷/×%

Tamhsn said...

It's definately Gary Driscoll!! He died a violent death And Apparently there is noone who cares it gets solved or not

plot said...

@rosie

"As if DDonna will read this lol
No one will."

You just admitted you did. Too bad you try to ignore Angela (though obviously you don't and you are quite smitten.) He gives some great information that sadly, for you I guess, disprove stupid BIs like this one.

Bill Beard said...

This blind seems like a combination of several bands and events - Kiss/Simmons for the merch - maybe Stones - Jones for the death.
Lennon maybe?
Hendrix and Cobain are thought to have been suicided.

Bill Beard said...

Bryan Harvey?

Tupac?

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Tj said...

I’m pretty sure it’s Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons

Tj said...

Never mind, didn’t read the last paragraph! Sorry!

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