Timmy Hint
There seems to be a very popular guess that everyone is making and one website made it their official guess. However, if you read the blind you realize this popular guess makes no sense. Timmy the actress gave up acting very soon after winning the award, so when you look at IMDB and see an actress worked for many years after her win, the guess doesn't make any sense despite the fact that everything else fits. It's easy to make up biographies, but you can't hide the fact that this actress who is a popular guess was in so many movies after her win.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1156 of 1156Sorry! I think all of this is making me a little nuts!
DIDNT ENT SAY THAT TIMMY WAS GUESSED CORRECTLY ON SEVERAL OTHER BI SITES A COUPLE DAYS AGO????
Well, if it turns out to NOT be Alice Brady, I hope ENT can ask JJ about her, because I have serious doubts about her being a woman.
Reading up on Jeanne and this popped out at me:
"In “The Letter,” in her genteel British via Kansas City via New York via California accent..."
Coincidence?
That quote is from here:
http://www.thevillager.com/villager_101/jeanniesgotagun.html
Very interesting story but no wins. She was nominated for 'The Letter'.
mandjo, you hit the magic number! Yay!
I've been consumed with this bl all weekend. Looks like we're winding down. Thank you all for your research, links, and great guesses. Rakemama: You had me in tears! Twisted: Glad to see you, sister. I still like Hattie McDaniel, however unpopular the guess... Thanks EL! This has been entertaining and educational. Gotta get back to my Scatman Crothers video (1946).
There's no getting around the fact that THAT is an adam's apple, baby.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/840501/alicebrady2.jpg
I'm officially back on the Alice Brady train for the moment.
I think the gal in the Golden Horseshoe review picture (third from left) looks like Judy Holliday.
Nozee, Enjoy!!
Okay, I seriously need to give it up....
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/840501/timmyornot.JPG
ENT - we want a hint tomorrow. Make it a two for Tuesday! ;)
I wasn't even waiting for it either! (My hubby asked if I did)
Brendalove,
Welllll, if you reverse both pictures, colorize them, stand them on their heads, and then overlap them, it could be Kay Kendall, Judy Holliday, or Alice Brady. Then again, maybe it's my husband. It's been a long day.
BOOBLESS!
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/840501/abrady.jpg
If she was running around without a shirt, as someone posted yesterday, there sure wasn't much to see!
Rakemama, I’m with you. This has been loads of fun, but I'm going to try to step BACK from the monitor now and walk AWAY. Otherwise I'll probably end up posting past 1 am like the last two nights.
Good night and thanks to everyone!
Okay, I just can't leave without commenting on "boobless." In the 1920s, when this pic was taken (you can tell by the hair, makeup, clothing), boobs were so out of fashion that women would strap them down. The fashionable look was to have a perfectly flat figure, and the undergarments were designed to create that effect.
Vera-Ellen is my pick...for the following reasons:
-Died in 1981 after living as a recluse since the early 1960s;
-Starred in a whole bunch of musicals, peaking with 'White Christmas', after which she virtually retired;
-ALWAYS had her neck covered by a scarf or a high necked blouse or dress. The reason given was that she had suffered from anorexia and her neck was prematurely aging ...but check out this rare uncovered photo: (link: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4439/veraellen/behappy.jpg);
- the anorexia rumour is interesting...Vera-Ellen was said to have the smallest waist in Hollywood ...the only way for a man to accentuate his hips and look more feminine is to reduce his waist size;
- She was linked to Rock Hudson for years - he wanted to marry her;
- her bio is suspect...her family tree ends with the death of her daughter at age 3 months in 1961, after which she was almost never seen in public(link: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~patmount/Rohe.htm)
- her public award wasn't a best actress or supporting actress gong, but a much publicised Star on the Hollywood sidewalk.
Any takers?
www.jpthemint.com search alice brady lots of different pics I haven't seen before...portraits and candids
Okay, but things don't look very strapped down to me there.
I'll have to check Vera Ellen out...I love her...I watch White Christmas 8-10 times a year (year round)!
Um, wait, Vera-Ellen didn't win an award.
oh, sorry, digger, I see that you mentioned that.
I am also on the Alice Brady train. A couple of the pictures I've seen of her makes me feel almost certain that she was indeed a he,- whether she is Timmy or not.
I've mentioned this before and didn't get a response, but does anyone see anyway to make someone, possibly Timmy in a small part, from the Wizard of Oz, fit into this? I just can't get the Topeka reference out of my head.
Here's another idea--I tried to think outside the box (since inside the box has not been successful!)
I went over the initial post and tried to think of a "personality that wouldn't quit" type actress who disappeared and thought about Betty Hutton. She won two awards for Annie Get your Gun (Golden Globes and Photoplay) and then her career basically slid into the toilet. There was some story about her winding up as a housekeeper for a monastery or something. Her bio does show that she has kids but ENT said that the actress's personal details are irrelevant.
My biggest problem: I went through all of her movies prior to AGYG and cannot find any closeted and never married co-stars. There are a few who might have been gay (Cornel Wilde, Victor Mature, Howard Keel) but they all had wives.
She fits Ent's physical description and in some pictures looks very feminine and in others looks like she could pass as a man.
OK...that's all...I need to (like harpo) step away from the monitor. I am a teacher, tomorrow is my first day with kids, I still have stuff to do before going to bed and I am still searching through imdb for clues. Hopeless...
One more thing and then I am going---really. Annie Get your Gun was released in 1950...same year as Sunset Blvd.
Nozee, thank you, hon!!! Glad to see you're posting - don't stop now!
I think the guessing has gone way off track at this point. People keep saying that nobody fits the clues, but I disagree. We really could go on guessing until Christmas with as wild as it's gotten, but I don't think I'm alone in saying, "I DON'T WANNA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
rakemama-
I was determined that Timmy was black. Here is one of the Topeka references I found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education
There was a reference re:Blockbuster as well.
Gotta quit this, but I can't flip the switch. EL's gotta be loving this.
As others have done, I am turning computer off and heading to bed.
I think that Cornell is great for bi based on the clues and that The Divided Heart is an almost impossible film to find. However, when I read the bi with her in mind, I noted how many times ENT mentions Hollywood and the studio system so that makes me think it is not her. So, I am leaving my guess as Alice Brady until I get more clues.
Like 95% of the W of Oz cast were midgets...was that why Timmy didn't fit in? Has there ever been an award winning little person actress? I'm trying to be PC, sorry if I offend anyone. Though I guess if there was a little person actor/actress prolific enough to be in 100+ films, we'd know, huh?
Here's an interesting anecdote about Alice Brady from a Humphrey Bogart fan site:
Once he was released from the Navy, Bogart went to work as a clerk for on old family friend named William Brady. Brady's daughter, actress Alice Brady, thought Bogart may be a good actor and got him into theatre, but the reviews he received were not stellar. Though the critics were harsh on him, Bogart continued to find steady work in the theatre, and was able to make a living. While doing live theatre, he met Helen Menken, a reputed stage actress. Menken was attracted to Bogart and Bogart was entranced with Menken's success. Soon the two were married, though love was not really a part of their relationship. After only a year they were quickly divorced.
Henry Rowland born 1913, started working in film in small uncredited rolls in 1940. Worked in film until 1951 when he switched to TV. Worked in TV until the '70's. Died in 1984. No pic or bio info. I'm on the hunt for that now. Was in a Movie called Topeka.
Henry Rowland described as having heavily Teutonic features.
I have just finished reading a list of famous Kansans. I have come to the conclusion that Timmy and his alter shego are Don Johnson and Hattie McDaniel. And yes, you may quote me on that.
Something to note:
When it came to the very big award, the one with all the television viewers, Timmy won again.
The Golden Globes usually start the award season. The Academy Awards conclude it... and they were first televised in 1953.
oh...but I do have to say...even if this BI isn't about Alice Brady, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a man too. Forget the adams apple, did you see those man hands?
Henry Rowland was the dentist Dr. Tynan in Diamonds are Forever. Screencaps at http://www.moviedeaths.com/diamonds_are_forever/dr_tynan/
Looks large.
Henry Rowland in YouTube in Diamonds are Forever. Someone with mad skillz should do a freeze frame right when the scorpion is dropped down his back and do some comparisons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hite7FewFbk
Rebecca,
Yeah, thanks for checking that out. I found some info that said he had heavy Teutonic features. I'm guessing he's not our man.
Well folks, I'm on the East coast and it's closing in on pumpkin time. As my Granny would have said, it's been a long day and I feel like I've been whupped through hell with a buzzard's gut. (I shit you not, she would say that) Sweet dreams everyone!!
Dang...everyone's really gone to bed? *cry* I guess it is a work day tomorrow.... :P
I had Ben Vereen/Hattie McDaniel in my head at one point. Looking at "the subject of the blind" and googled "Life and Times", came up with the play "The Life and Times of Pippin" starring Ben Vereen, who Tenacious D outed as a raging queen, but couldn't make it work:(
We need a clue and an elimination.
Well, you know he won't eliminate the ones that we most need eliminating ... that would be too easy!!! :\
I know, I hate that!!
"And it ain't Katherine Hepburn, Audrey Hapburn, or Mary Pickford!"
*lol*, J.R. ;-)
I think we have to get back to basics...OK- so is what I got from EL:
1. Award winner
2, Left Hollywood soon after award received
3. A list lover in movie- which Timmy co-
headlined
4. Timeline 1980 thru 1985 minus 50 years (this is
when award was received
Like many if not all I have been obsessed with uncovering Timmy. EL I have to thank you for the fun but good God- please let Christmas come early...
so here is my choices:
Alice Brady who won the Oscar (the only award that really matters) and would have been with William Powell
or
Mary Pickford who won the Oscar 1928-1929 and would have been with Douglas Fairbanks
Actually, for me, the most interesting thing that has come out of this thread is that Jamie Lee Curtis is genetically a man and had a fake vajay-jay constructed when she was in her teens. But I digress... ;)
Hi all!! After being away all day, I'm back!
More great work, I see, and this Cornell Blochers development is so exciting an unexpected! I don't think it's her, because I think the award is an Oscar, but it's kind of nice to have a new name in the mix!
I have an idea because it seems as if people, me included, are having a hard time remembering who has and hasn't been eliminated.
If someone has COMPREHENSIVE lists of possibilities for all the parties involved (Timmy, Shimmy, JJ, A List closeter, etc) could you post them and then we can all jot them down for our own notes and check them before each post! I think it will reduce confusion.
...or just ignore me. It's entertaining either way.
Oops, Cornell BORCHERS!! Sorry. I suppose we could call Timy's hives "blochers" though! Lol
The Vera Ellen thing is really spooky. In almost every pic she's got something on her neck. The dates are right. The only thing missing is an award.
OK, now I'm on this Cornell Borchers kick. It's very strange how little you can find about her before 1949.
BUT, if you imagine that in the BI when EL says "Timmy grew up in the Northeast in a small town" that he is actually taking about Lithuania as the Northeast part of the world, there is something there.
And when Timmy "reversed his original trek" he went back to the Eastern part of the world (ie Germany, etc.)then establishes Shimmy as a formidable actress and returns to Hollywood.
Perhaps searching for young German actors in the chorus of movie musicals around the early-mid 40s would help track down Timmy.
It's another long shot and still has the problem of the BAFTA versus the Oscar, but it could be something.
And, I agree, the story is much less exciting if it's Cornell then, say, Holliday, but the ruse is still the ruse and quite impressive!
OK, I'm possibly going to throw a spanner in the works here...
Although AIDS came to the worlds attention in the 80's, the first cases (HIV-1) to come to light were in the mid-40s and HIV-2 in the 60's...
*dodges the missiles*
Oh yes, and I remember reading somewhere, that a lot of the guys who died in the 70's also had AIDS, but of course they weren't looking, or didn't make the connection.
*keeps head down again*
OK, this isn't going anywhere. People keep repeating the same stuff all over again, stuff that's already been discussed to death and established / discarded days ago.
I'll wait for the reval or the next clue, until then I'm off this BI.
Or better still, I'm officially on board with Twisted Sister and say it's Timmy from South Park!
Goddamnit.
I've already said before that it can't be Mercedes McCambridge because her most famous role came in the 70s as the voice of the demon in The Exorcist. She even had a publicized lawsuit over being credited for that role.
Everyone's just going in circles now by not reading what anyone else has said. So much so that it's becoming more than a little ridiculous.
and I read the items again and see Timmy dead 80-85, so just ignore me!
My head is spinning!
I can't understand why the relationship between the closeted A-list star and the new young actress (timmy) was kept secret, surely it was the perfect situationfor the actor.
The Blind says "remained single", not "never married". Big difference.
Justind:
There's no need to curse at me! I have indeed read the earlier posts. My point isn't that she fits all the clues; she doesn't. My point is that there is something wrong with the blind item. Doesn't it seem odd that an approximately 90 year old man (JJ) is able to provide a very precise timeline of Timmy's journey? My theory is simply that this is an old Hollywood rumor that's been so embellished over the years that the clue details are now far afield of the verifiable facts.
I disagree that her most famous role was the voice work in the Exorcist. She won her AA in 1949 and was in some memorable 1950s films, including Giant, Touch of Evil, and Johnny Guitar. (During filming JG she had a much-publicized feud with Joan Crawford.) My mom heard the rumor about her in the 1950s (which was also probably JJ's heyday), not the 1970s.
My original choice(when I was still trying to get the clues to fit) was Judy Holliday, but neither she nor anyone else fits the clue as written, as so many of you have already pointed out. I think we are at a dead end . . . . I've learned a lot about old Hollywood, though, so for that I thank Ent and the rest of you!
WERE WAITING ENT AND NOT TIL CHRISTMAS EITHER.
ALICE BRADY, RIGHT????
I wasn't cursing at you sleuth. I was just tired of everyone harping on the same guesses when there were so many other posts before disproving it.
I have no doubt that someone will mention Kay Kendall or Jo Van Fleet again as a possible Timmy.
Sleuth welcome to our nightmare aka justind. He's a boy who acts like a little bitch having a temper tantrum when people dont talk about what he wants to talk about. Anyways I missed out on all the fun this weekend cuz I took a long weekend to go away with my boyfriend. Looks like you have it narrowed down to just a few and I like the Kay Kendall guess myself if it's golden globes Enty is talking about.
melster the a-lister probably didnt want to risk Timmy being found out so didn't want to put up the charade of looking like he was dating shimmy.
mosesmilch who do you think the a-lister is if you feel it's not someone who never married?
hey would this be a bad time to point out that it has been three months since Ent revealed that Dominique Swain is ZX and we still haven't seen any proof that she really is?
I would like for all of us to take a moment to take a deep breath and sing Kumbayah.
Heck with it, I've just had my caffeine so there's no way I can relax enough to sing that song. ;) hee hee
The fact is, every single person we've brought up has been "eliminated" for one reason or another. There is NOBODY who really fits the clues.
I am this BI's bitch. ;)
Molly:
ENT doesn't say never married. He says remained single. Big difference.
Personally, I think that it's Judy Holliday and the closeted A-lister is Katharine Hepburn! I know that ENT does refer to the A-lister as "he", though. One clue that is pretty clear is that Timmy rommed with J.J.'s wife, so that narrows the time frame.
I am aware of all of the clues that DON"T fit my guess.
But the more we go round and round, the more I think that we are being snookered.
I hear you Rakemama! Remember when figuring out BI's was fun?
Help Ent! We are getting ORNERY!
Just found this on Alice Brady, and I thought it was interesting:
"1937 Sued Actor's Equity over rights to use her photo in advertisements (she had previously refused to join Screen Actor's Guild and charged this was retaliation). She won suit and Equity was about to susp "
Why would she refuse to join the Screen Actor's Guild? The same year she won the Oscar? Probably wouldn't win a SAG award if she refused to join.
Why not Luise Rainier, the most famous career flameout in Hollywood? Supposedly raised in Germany (remember we can disregard the background), she came to Hollywood and won two back-2-back Oscars for Best Actress AND Best Supporting in the mid-1930s and then "retired" sortly thereafter and went back to Germany. If "Timmy" died in 198-85 then 50 years back was 1930s. Timeline fits. Also, her leading man was William Powell, already mentioned several times as the closeted A-listed (though he was married). Also acted with Ramon Novarro, a very closeted never married fellow. Now follow me here ... several reasons were given for the quick career decline (feud with Mayer, blacklist, etc.) but how very Timmy-like to go to Europe! It makes more sense that Shimmy didn't die immediately or anything - think of the media attention! No, better to just leave. And, she does look pretty masculine.
Now the bad news. Luise Rainier is still alive and attended the 2002 Oscars as the oldest living winner. But, remember, EL says her background is not important. She also did very limited TV appearances (small screen hides scars better?) in the 40s and 50s. So, did Timmy really "die" in 1980-85 or did Luise just come back full time? It seems that in 80-85 Broadway lost so many to AIDS ... could Timmy have been included in those numbers? More research is called for! Also, has anyone searched Jimmy? It was a much more popular name back then.
@osherrie: Wow your research presents a intresting argument but BI says that Timmy is deceased and the female actress "died" before Timmy. I think that "dead" means dead.
I'm back on the Brady train.
8:34 AM
osherrie, her bio is not important, but it's not possible that she's still alive when Timmy died in 1985. He's dead - she's dead.
I had already looked at Luise Rainier a couple of times and really wanted her to work, but yeah, the fact that she's alive really puts a thorn in the side of that argument.
I hope I look that good when I'm her age, btw ... what the heck, I don't even look that good right now!! ;)
OK, look I'm not THAT set on Luise Rainier, there's quite a few items that don't fit actually, marriage, child, etc. But, I do want to remind you of clue #8 ... "#8 Why does the date of death of the "actress" matter? If she is in fact even listed as deceased."
Anyway, this has been a lot of fun, you're an amazing bunch of sleuthers and I can't wait for the reveal. But today's a work day so I'd better get to it. Anyone need some hotel rooms?? Have fun y'all!!!
@lilandorth. to jump to the post you like, remember a time 6:30 and enter it in the search function of your browser. Ctrl+F.
Its late and i have some thougts, i share them with you :-) maybe it get one of you going:
The BI is great. Some things we focus on, are not. Take Cornell Borchers, if it is stated that SHE IS STILL ALIVE, why produce more posts with the questions about how she made it to Hollywood or could conceal some other stuff. Btw, coming from a Germany whose politics were as they were in the 30-40´s,you wonder?
Also i think JJ gave this info to Ent because there will be a book and a movie out soon.
Further i think we shouldt discard easily over the timeline since we dont know JJ, and so we have no clue about his wife. Also it could be his "wife at that time" wich again could mean she was a different age than his? We dont know who Timmy or Shimmy is. So a timeline other than 1935+ for winning and disappearing is not interesting. Anyway - the classic movie with the A lister who died unmarried (to put it this way)could be made 5 to max. 10 years earlier.
Could be a mute one too.
Ent says the story Shimmy gave about his past "is still in use". So it seems this persona is still discussed.
Both Timmy and Shimmy could work with makeup. so i go with the shingles, wich beeing stress related, could aggravate under Timmys long year pressure. Possibly not supporting make-up.
The bio. I think a star saying he is originating from a specific place, would lead to a lot of questions from the villagers, to honor their hero. Being from another country would led to inquiries. So it must be a plain simple orphan (maybe from canada) story.
Nobody likes Marisa Pavan for anything? She disappeared, supposed to come from Italy but really is more famous because of her sister. She accepted best Actress award, but did not win it. The only picture I found of her with her sister was on youtube and it looked like she had hives on her neck. Her sister dies of an OD related to allergic reaction to barbituate prescribed for nervous condition.
I would like to put Merle Oberon up for consideration. She won a Best Supporting Actress for 'The Dark Angel' in the 1930's. She starred in 2 movies with Laurence Olivier. Also, she had a scar on her face and had a pitted complexion due to 'an allergic reaction' to makeup products. She has two children, but they are adopted. She was British, but used makeup to lighten her complexion because her mother was Indian. There are reports of her lying about her background. Somebody check into her!
Ent said in his most recent post that someone here guessed correctly.
So no new names need to be added to the mix.
Ent said someone guessed correctly on another blog and that was before noon on Aug 30th so we can use that info to narrow it down.
Just for laughs, here's a pic from the moviemorlocks blog of Josephine Hull accepting her Academy Award for Harvey.
I have no idea if she's a man with a skin condition, but she's got some kind of squint thing going on with her left eye, which could be from all those popping camera flashes.
http://i12.tinypic.com/2czcxtf.gif
Ent actually said we had guessed Timmy/Shimmy correctly. Does this mean that we just guessed the male actor correctly, we just guessed the female actress correctly, or we correctly identified the male/female pair? Or does it mean that I am way over thinking this?
Did he say we'd guessed correctly, or that he would not reveal if someone here has guessed correctly?
if ent posts another hint, lets only post there so we arent confused...hopefully he will give us more info! :)
Personally, I think Ent is trying to save face. I bet he passed along the blind item to us without doing much research to check it out. Someone here apparently guessed the right name, but I think we can assume given our days-long debate and extensive research that the correct answer doesn't match all of the clues. Otherwise, I think it would be clear by now who it was and Ent would be willing to reveal the correct name. By saying someone guessed correctly but not telling us who, he avoids another 1000 posts from us pointing out the discrepancies between the clues and the answer!
So, according to today's 'Guess the celebrity'- Ent says someone on here guessed it right.
Either I'm reading far too much into the semantics here, but this would infer that only one person guessed correctly-thereby dramatically whittling down the candidates for Timmy.
To my mind, if it had been one of the oft guessed/posited names, then surely he'd have used the plural?
Hmmm.....
the only site I saw with an official guess was Blind Item Collective...did u guys see any others? it was Kay Kendall, had changed after ent gave hints then went back to her. it also had alice brady and josephine hull...this whole thing is driving me insane!!!i agree that it seems like one guess was right on here by the guess the celeb post...my sis said i should be a detective with all the time i have spent looking for timmy lol
Saying that someone here guessed correctly doesn't really help us out at all, does it? Hasn't just about EVERYBODY been mentioned in the 1000+ posts here?
ALSO, being new to the site, I don't know much about ENT's credibility, but has anyone else noticed the disclaimer at the bottom of the page stating that some of the things portrayed in the blog are 'products of the author's imaginiation'? Could ENT just be messing with all of us?
JC, this could mean what you said, or it could mean one person guessed it right and others agreed. Very frustrating trying to parse the hint when you haven't gotten through the damn blind yet!
Nadia, the only odd thing about the guess being Kay Kendall is that he adds, "Timmy the actress gave up acting very soon after winning the award, so when you look at IMDB and see an actress worked for many years after her win, the guess doesn't make any sense despite the fact that everything else fits." Kay Kendall didn't work for many years after her win, so I don't think he's talking about her. It's possible he's referring to another site and we don't know what it is.
the disclaimer is so he doesnt get sued. i've seen alot of his BI's revealed either by him or the press. i believe he is credible and i hope in the case of timmy especially because i have invested waaaaay too much time lol
Yeah, Missaononymous, we sure have noticed the disclaimer.
Let's see....Merle Oberon was only mentioned once. Was she an A+ list actress with a classic 50's body?
twisted,
i think its KK myself...it was updated on that site after he said another site guessed wrong. we need to find other sites that made a final guess!!!! i have to go to class now...damn it!!! i will be back at 4!!
Folks, you will LOVE this:
A very likely explanation of the NE and Topeka reference and why Timmy didnt TRULY fit in there. Being 15-20 yo in 1925-1930 for entering the facility, he would be like 70-80yo at the end of the given timeline.
Here comes the info:
The Menninger Clinic was founded in 1925 in Topeka, Kansas, by Drs. Karl, Will, and C.F. Menninger(who started in Topeka in 1889).
Just a year after opening, The Menninger Clinic established the Southard School for children. The school fostered treatment programs for children and adolescents that were recognized worldwide.
During the 1930s, the Menningers expanded training programs for psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health professionals.
In June 2003, Menninger relocated its clinical programs from Topeka to Houston.
Speaking about actors again, Gene Tierney was treated there. Timmy could have been there very young and treated accordingly, wich did not change his condition (maybe he had a multiple personality too) but as a result to the innovative therapies he was blessed with a skin condition.
for more borderline, detox, sexual harassment and other disorders, google:
Menninger Clinic in Topeka, Kansas
i'm staying with KK ...she fits for me...the blog says after the award she had trouble getting work and her career decined over 3 years..it fits...no?
I would think classic 50's body would be Judy Holliday.
Way up thread missbliss posted the other blogs that referenced this BI. I copied that list in my Timmy file. Yes, sigh, I have a Timmy file.
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/
http://blinditems.typepad.com/dish/2007/08/timmy-hint.html 0 official guess: Kay Kendall.
http://blinditems.typepad.com/dish/2007/08/the-actress-who.html: Official Guess Kay Kendall
http://members5.boardhost.com/pinkparlor/msg/1188488410.html
http://groups.google.com.nf/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/1fc4fdaa9bd962ae
http://eisengeiste.blogspot.com/2007/09/greatest-blind-item-ever.html
http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/forum/thread/gossip/5344646/page-1.html
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?page=1&showdate=9/2/07&messageid=432285&mpage=1
http://pjsplanet.blogspot.com/
http://www.zimbio.com/member/melody23/articles/340082/alt+showbiz+gossip+versus+Thing+Id
Also, Ent said someone guess correctly prior to noon on Aug 30. Any gesses introduced after that time would not be correct.
These are the guesses from ONTD (one of 3 blogs who were working on this BI on Thrsday) were:
Fay Bainter
Teresa Wright
Ann Harding
Shirley Booth
Josephine Hull
Ann Magnani
Simone Signoret
Mercedes McCambridge
Elizabeth Hartman
Jo Van Fleet
Agnes Moorehead
Eileen Heckart
Anne Revere
Sandy (Dale) Dennis
Alice Brady
Beatrice straight
Claire Trevor
Kay Kendall
Jean Hagen
(ctrl + f is your friend!)
Twisted Sister-good point, well made!
Come on Ent, help us out here-we're all (very) slowly being driven mad!!
Well, speaking for myself here ;)
ill read the post again, looking for pairings that were maid. and for guesses on timmy.
the Shimmy must be here anyway, since she is a sure winner of a huge award in a given period of time.
Has Deanna Durbin been guessed? Won a "Juvenile" oscar in 1939, retired from Hollywood at 27 to go to "paris", extensive musical background.... Just looking at alternative oscar scenarios.
Digger -- read the Modern Screen article about Vera and Rock. They dated quietly for 3 years before the article.
Also, in the article it says that Henry Willsion (Rock's agent) introduced them. And, that there was a problem when Rock thought she was seeing A.C. Lyles (JJ).
She did get a star on Hollywood Blvd. Didn't they always film that for the movie news reels?
I too keep going back to Vera-Ellen. She's incredibly intriguing, especially in light of this BI. The placement of the chokers she wears especially.
obviously we have guessed shimmy. so i don't think it's a good idea to start naming new names and make it even more complicated.
ENT said "we guessed Timmy/Shimmy"... i wish he would have said if we guessed the actual timmy or the actress, or even both. ugh.
WATCH this! it just makes me think its timmy. he's so fem.
http://www.efootage.com/view_clip.php?clip_id=10931
In my humble opinion(just a suggestion) i really think we should forget any new shimmies (aka Vera Ellen, Jeanne Eagles, Gene Tierney and Cornell Borchers(???)
The real shimmy has already been guessed so go with the main list and not with brit kay kendall either. Timmy is from the USofA.
ENT is basically telling us we guessed and its one of the guys/gals mentioned way before.
If its not ALICE BRADY i will be SHOCKED.
And if its Judy Holliday i will FAINT from the reveal or because I have listened to Don Novis sing TREES one too many times ;>)
I think Alice Brady. but what i really want to know is the name of the alter (actual) ego.
http://matterhorn1959.blogspot.com/2007/01/golden-horseshoe-revue-1955.html
Interesting blog creater and site design is very similar to this one.
I just went over the guesses here in this posts. Most entries are a Shimmy guesses or closeted A-lister stuff. Plus tidbits, research and pros and cons for the guesses.
Here are the entered TIMMY sugestions:
Donald Novis
Kenny Baker
Neil Fitzgerald
Charles Holliday
Cavan Kendall
Grant Williams
Leonard Frey
Tim Mc Coy
Jonathan Harris
The direct pairings suggested:
Kenny Baker - Alice Brady
Donald Novis - Marg. Pickford
Jonathan Harris - Josephine Hull
Tim Mc Coy - Marie Dressler.
If i missed something, please add it.
With Alice Brady, I just can't get past her Broadway producer father. No way would he go through with the sham - plus, she made her first career as a male performer, so wouldn't she have had her association with her father come up in the Timmy (as opposed to Shimmy) context?
I think I saw Alice Brady number 2's Oscar for Old Chicago behind the Bar at the Golden Horseshoe Saloon right next to Mrs. O'Leary's stuffed cow.
Great props the Disney people used back then.
Just sayin....
I did not see this pairings on other sites, so it could be that ENT just said that the others got it. Just for fun. Im sure he could not resist and do otherwise :-)
Since we had discarded everyone at some particular point that means something in those timelines must be looser than said. Enough clues but no giveaway!
So, whoever Timmy was: KUDOS! Setting all this up and more than that, living it, was a hell of a masterpiece.
I don't think Mary Pickford is Shimmy, but damn, her bio reads like the movie Sunset Blvd, which makes me wonder... "I'm ready for my close up Mr. Demille!"
dschingis- I think Timmy is Scatman Crothers. Of course, common sense tells me I'm wrong because there is no way, if true, this could ever be revealed. At this point I'm just trying to get to the 2,000 mark!
All this time I have been working the Timmy angle.
Partial list of actors that died between 1980-1985:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.announce/browse_thread/thread/522616c88d897b51/0d209a0e2a9cc0b9?lnk=st&q=Neil+Fitzgerald+obit&rnum=4&hl=en#0d209a0e2a9cc0b9
I eliminated Geo Walsh, Ned Glass, Richard Goolden, Curt Jurgens from the first list I worked off of, this is not the exact list (and I cannot find it again) - having some variation. Neil Fitzgerald is on both; I was not able to eliminate him. His film career, scant and uncredited work has a 10 year gap as does his stage career. The gaps in both occur in the same time period, approximately '39 - '49. He was born in Ireland.
Here is his film career:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0280342/
His stage career:
http://www.ibdb.com/person.asp?id=94373
I JUST CANNOT find a picture of him and I have been looking furiously as you all have been posting...to no avail. Ent said there are a few cast photos left online of our Timmy. I just feel that I can't eliminate Neil until I've seen his picture. The Informer will be on TCM in November and Neil had a small part in that. Dissapointed as I am, I decided I will have to wait 'til then to see his face. (I live in a town of 1200 and do not have the rental availability.)
Okay, there you have it. Is it worth the time to find a picture of the guy?? Any suggestions.
"You are all individuals!"
"Yes, we are all individuals!"
"...I'm not."
it CAN'T be mary pickford. she was just in the news a few days ago,
heres the link:
http://www.mydesert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070902/LIFESTYLES0102/309020004
theres a picture there too, of her VERY OLD. and mentions her husband.
if mary pickford is under investigation, than i'm sure something would have come about.
Nozee, I don't think he meant 2,000 posts here. EL wrote:
"I know everyone is anxious for the Timmy reveal. I will make sure you don't wait until Christmas. Right now I'm thinking maybe I will reveal it for the 2,000 post of the blog. Right now the count is 1,722 and I average 60 a week so you can do the math."
If this thread alone is at 1,111, then he can't mean discussion threads. He's talking about his posts. And if he averages 60 a week, we have about 5 more weeks to wait.
TS- I'm always so relieved when you start posting agin. You are the closest thing we have to moderator on here.
5 weeks is a very long time, but it's better than December.
Oops... Thanks, Twisted! Am slinking away now... :)
Eve- As far as Alice brady's father, I had the same thought as you. But then I read that he was once a boxing manager and worked in the Coney Island circle. I hate to call a man I know little about a shister, but I get a feeling if his son became his "daughter" he might have seen the profit in that and assisted the situation.
Neil Fitzgerald worked on Broadway steadily between 1939 and 1949. I see no ten year gap in his theater work (as himself, a man).
It's not Mary Pickford, who was seen sitting in her bed on the Oscars when she received her honorary Oscar in the 70s. She died in 1977.
It's not Josephine Hull, who had a long stage career and history, before and after her Oscar.
It's not Judy Holliday, who may or may not have had lesbian affairs, but she had a successful film career AFTER her Oscar, and she also appeared in musicals on Broadway, winning the Tony in 1956 for Bells are Ringing (she beat Julie Andrews in My Fair Lady). Her singing voice is pleasant, at best, and it is not the same voice as Kenny Baker's golden tenor. Judy had a son, too, and I know many people who knew her in her last days on earth, a woman dying of cancer (horribly).
Marie Dressler may have been a man, but she is NOT Timmy. She would have been positively ancient by the 80s.
Jo Van Fleet is the best guess for the time period, but she appeared as a woman too many times after her Oscar. And she did not die until the 90s.
Alice Brady wins the prize, by default. I still think we're going to find out that J.J.'s memory was completely faulty, and it turns out not to be true about Alice.
If this is actually about Cornell or Kay Kendall, then I for one will never read another blind item, since I'm certain they're mostly fabrications to make their authors more well-known.
Nozee, please don't slink away. I had to think through that three times when I read it.
Ro'co, thanks. If by moderator you mean old fart, then yeah! That's me!! And you're right about five weeks - it should go by quickly. Unless none of us are sleeping.
David, the one thing that really stands out to me is that EL did NOT go out of his way today to tell us whether the award was an Oscar or a Golden Globe. He DID go out of his way to tell us that when he said northeast, he didn't say WHERE. I think KK is still in the running.
By the way, I just watched In Old Chicago, all the way through.
Alice Brady shows no scar that I can see, and her neck is often bare (no adam's apple).
I also watched Les Girls, and I can't see a scar on Kay Kendall, but her nose job is very badly botched -- perhaps this is the "scar."
KK is totally still in the running, Twisted Sister...at least, in my mind she is...there's nothing solid enough to definitively rule out KK...
If Alice Brady is still a contender too then...we're basically facing only one issue: whether Timmy invented a completely fake persona out of thin air, or whether he took over some lady's identity when the real actress's original acting career went down the drain. It's really the only way to make the pieces fit.
Also, did we ever concede that it's possible the "Big Award" may have been a non-USA one? Or are we scrapping that idea and sticking with the Oscars/GGs?
TS--forgot to add...I seriously think that Ent. meant to rule out Jo Van Fleet when he mentioned the actress who worked for many years after her win.
I found a Robin Williams movie from 1986 called "Seize The Day" in which Jo Van Fleet played "Mrs. Einhorn" one year after the very very last year Timmy could have died (in real life) so unless Timmy's the only ghost-in-drag ever captured on film, it cant be JVF
One little piece of trivia that's interesting here:
Sydney Chaplin, the son of Charlie, had an infamous affair with Kay Kendall.
Syd was the male lead in Bells are Ringing, on Broadway, starring Judy Holliday.
Some items don’t match up here with what EL actually wrote and which track our train is speeding away on…
EL said: “I guess I should tell you that someone on this site did guess Timmy/Shimmy (saw that name and liked it) correctly.”
Going by his writing pattern and the fact he is a lawyer—I think we should not get too excited that we have correctly guessed who the dynamic duo was (Timmy/Shimmy). First, if EL is a lawyer – as we all know they are very specific with how and what they write and say. Remember he likes to write with the “/” to add ambiguity to make it harder. Take for instance- “There he was, the woman who was really a gay man was being honored for being the Best Supporting Actress/Best Actress of the year.” This is why I think we need to take caution before we think we have figured out who Timmy and Shimmy were.
That being said I think there are only a couple of items we can count on:
1. We have already guessed who the BI was about- so any new guess after EL’s 10:01 AM post this AM is not valid
2. Timmy was a bit player therefore Timmy’s identity may be hard to find
3. Shimmy’s identity has to be in check with an A-list lover. They have to have shared billing in a movie 2 to 3 years before Shimmy received the Oscar (this has to be a huge hint and will help us eliminate the Shimmies)
4. The A-list lover and Shimmy’s relationship was not known probably because the A-list lover was married and therefore would have been a scandal if the relationship was out in the open
5. 10 people knew about this at some point in time- this could help us with the incorrect bio- someone could be filling in or covering up for Shimmy’s family ties, etc.
6. Children- no children it doesn’t matter. If Shimmy had a child- we would have uncovered the adoption or the adoption was covered up and we would never know
7. Shimmy had fair complexion, fair hair and was slight- I don’t think Shimmy would look like a man when dressed as Shimmy
8. The undefined scar- all we know is he/she had one but make-up helped covered it up so it may be hard to locate
9. Skin rash or disease – it doesn’t really matter what or how he/she got it- it was there and probably not visible in Shimmy’s movies because she left the industry when it got to the point that make-up would not cover it up
10. It has to be the Oscar. Other award shows with the same categories have different names for the same awards (someone posted this earlier – and I have to agree with you)
nice post, Gossip Monger, thanks!
minus number 4
I will work on that one!
@david
Cornell is still ALIVE!
The date of death of shimmy is completely unimportant - said ENT. So Dressler may be ancient by the 80 doesnt matter since the entire bio would be a fake, and she wouldnt have been working after the mid 30.
Dressler was eliminated because she won her Oscar in 1931, and even if she died in 1980, the 50 year time frame doesn't work. It means she would have one year of acting as a woman before winning the Oscar. It's not her.
We know for sure that there was a correct guess. Again the shimmy must have been listed at one point. It was probably listed before ent said that on ohter sites it was guessed. So probably we have a timmy guess too.
but we should keep looking for new facettes that tell that one of these persons COULD be the one we look for, not just looking for the discarding stuff. This we will always have for each of them, because that was the plan.
So dont shoot at twisted sister for trying to push into an opening and searching direction instead of telling us once more why kk or ll couldnt be the ones.
We know that one MUST be it, no matter how often he/she was discarded before.
And since just ten people knew, a successfull one. Ten people would be roommates, lovers, bank/insurance. How you keep money and pay taxes als an alter ego?
There is really no need bring new Shimmy candiates. As of ENT's 10:01am post (Guess the Celebrity) ENT states that "someone on this site did guess Timmy/Shimmy correctly". I assume this is just the female persona, but may be any combination of the 3. So we need to work only with those guesses that existed prior to that time.
I am completely sold on Kay Kendall and have been since I saw photos of her. She only has cleavage in one pic, other pics nothing so to speak, you can tell it is trickery to keep her from looking flat. I know from experience that you can make no cleavage look as good as Kay Kendall. Whomever posted the getty photo of Kenny Baker in profile.... it was eerily similar. What did Kenny do to that nose? I googled him and he was always described as fresh faced. More importantly, he died in 1985. I have the feeling they are right on. I came up with this link that shows Kenny Baker played the trumpet for Kay Kendall in Genevieve. My vote is for Kay Kendall and Kenny Baker.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:ggmsaMVXu-MJ:lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/html/jots/jazzscreen-overview.html+Kenny+Baker+actor+photos+tenor&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=20&gl=us
never mind my lousy link... I cannot tell if that is the same Kenny Baker we were looking at. sorry. :-( I am still sold on the Kenny Baker in the getty image that died in 1985
Note to Dschingis:
you made a comment about paying taxes as an alter ego...
That triggered the uncle fester lightbulb above my head.
you CAN collect taxes and sign checks if you have a name that is synonymous with both sexes.
For example:
Pat.
(God I love Julia Sweeney. Who's That? It's Pat!)
So, maybe there is a name that is ambiguious to both sexes?
Jo/Joe
Kay/initial K
Jay/initial J
Lee/Lee
Jerry/Geri
Jean/Gene
Chris/Chris
etc.
So that legal stuff would be easy. And check cashing should work.
Right?
Ok, I will shut up now.
i just dont see any similarity at all between kay kendall and kenny baker. AM I LOOKING AT THE WRONG KENNY BaKER???
Weren’t taxes different back then? As you know today 1 in 4 who make over $100,000 get audited but back then very few in the middle to lower class were audited.
Do we have a CPA in the group somewhere?
I remembered when I toured the Breakers in RI, the tour guide said some of the owners sold their houses or donated their houses to “societies” because taxes got out of control. This would have been around the same time as Shimmy. I thought what happened in RI and across the US was that the wealthy were being taxed more than the “poor”. Funny to think that really happened at one point in the US. I believe only a small percentage of the US population was paying taxes at the time.
If this were true then it would make sense that Timmy could have said he lost his job during the Depression and therefore was not taxed and not bothered.
I don’t know, just trying to look at all viewpoints.
Sorry for the digression... now back to the hunt!
Um....
"Only the Little People pay taxes."
With Love,
Leona
David:
LOL.
Woof, woof...
ok, i am not sure how to word this, so bear with me.
the "a-lister at the time" remark.
it makes me think that is has to be someone who did NOT have cult status throughout life.
For instance: As an argument, James Dean. Arguably, he is still considered an a-lister. a dead a-lister, but one nonetheless because of his popularity even in death. So, I would rule him out based on the criteria
A lot of other names that have been mentioned still hold weight today, dead or alive.
So...
I am thinking this A-lister is someone who was "fleeting". Who had their moment in the sun, and then faded and became D-list.
Sal Mineo for instance. (And I am not offering this as a guess, but merely as an example)
And this person could very well still be alive today. Really old, mind you, just not a household name.
Did this help at all or am I running in circles?
Jeanne Eagels' Adams Apple
Jeanne Eagels' Cleft Chin
Jeanne Eagels Must-See Pic
Okay, this is out there I know. But, what about makeup artists? I searched the net for William Tuttle (MGM) to see if there was bio book on him hoping for some gossip or scoop. I can't find anything though. He passed away this July. He was the MA for Les Girls and Bells Are Ringing. He has a bio on IMDB and he was THE ma of the time. He taught as well. Could there be a snippet of information out there such as a slip from him about difficulty with an actresses complexion? Surely there's a book on this guy somewhere. Or, makeup artists may have been tight lipped about things. One of them may have been one of the 10 people who knew about Shimmy being a he. They most surely had to contour and shade Shimmy's chest for faux cleavage.
I am personally ruling out Alice Brady because of her work in sllent film era. I don't think there's a mix up on bio's because there's the quote about her being one of actresses who was successful in the transition over to talkies. If not for that I could see an IMDB mix up. But that seals it for me and Alice. I am tired, my eyesight in gone, my ass will probably be permanently flat after sitting in a chair for almost 4 days straight researching this. LMAO about the comment someone made about hearing Donald Novis singing Trees cause I am right there with ya!! I am throwing in my towel and giving my answer as Kay Kendall.
KK
This is a list I have compiled off the internet of (hopefully) all the actors who died between 1980-1985 who were aged 50+ yrs. I realise that a lot can be eliminated straight away but someone might spot something I don't amongst the names.
Ivan Triesault * David Newell * Romolo Valli * Floyd Taliaferro Alderson * Chester H Lauck * George Tobias * Jay Silverheels * Dick Haymes * Marshall Reed * Paul Langton * Raymond Bailey* Alfred Joseph Hitchcock * Hugh Griffith * Richard Bonnelli * Milburn Stone * Reginald Gardiner * Donald Barry * Alan Hoskins * Charles McGraw * Strother Martin * Elliott Nugent * Duncan Renaldo * George Raft * Sam Levene * Fred Emney * Roy Engle * Woody Chamblis * Bernard Lee * Allyn Joslyn * Richard Talmadge * Torin Thatcher * Paul Horbiger * Brad Johnson * Jim Davis * Robert Davi * Arthur O'Connell * Yuki Shimoda * George Jessel * Jack Warner * Philo McCullough * Russell Hayden * George Voskovec * Robert Emmett Keane * Ross Martin * Keefe Brasselle * Loring Smith * Ian Martin * Melvyn Douglas * Verne Rowe * Frank McHugh * Chief Dan George * Robert Montgomery * Nils Asther * Frank DeKova * Stanley Clements * William Holden * Melvyn Douglas * Michael Granger * John Warburton * Morgan Conway * William Holden * Jack Albertson * Robert H Harris * Hans Conried * Harvey Lembeck * Gregoire Aslan * Paul Lynde * Michael Granger * John Warburton * Takashi Shimura * Victor Jory * Henk Schaer * Rolfe Sedan * Lee Strasberg * Alan Badel * Harry H Corbett * Herman Tholen * Gene Sheldon * Hugh Marlowe * Helmut Dantine * Hugh Beaumont * Sam Baker * Alfred Adam * Larry J Blake * Neil Fitzgerald * Curt Jurgens * Alan Webb * Russell Thorson * Fred Stuthman * Kenneth More * John Alexander * Vic Morrow * Dan Seymour * Harold Sakata * Tom Drake * Henry Fonda * Charles Walters * Patrick Magee * Barney Phillips * Fred Stuthman * Jay Novello * Michael Thoma * Kommer Kleijn * Philip Ober * Fernando Lamas * James Philbrook * James Broderick * Jacques Tati[scheff] * Donald Dillaway * Robert Coote * Dan Tobin * Joey Forman * Jack Webb * Dick Emery * Arthur Space * John McHugh * Shepperd Strudwick * Doodles Weaver * Louis De Funes * Jim Ameche * Eduard Franz * Robert Bray * Maurice Ronet * James Hayter * Richard O'Brien * Stephen Murray * Rodolfo Hoyos * Walter Slezak * Vaughn Taylor * Jerry Hatsuo Fujikawa * Eddie Foy Jr * David Niven * Raymond Massey * Peter Arne * Jack Somack * Mike Kellin * Simon Oakland * Tino Rossi * William D Elliot * Ralph [David] Richardson * Paul Fix * Pat O'Brien * John Le Mesurier * Peter Coffield * Marcel Dalio * Richard Loo * Michael Conrad * Christopher George * Slim Pickins * David Rounds * Patrick O'Moore * Rod Cameron * William Demarest * Johnny Weissmuller * Roland Culver * Jackie Coogan * Michael Sklar * William Powell * Henry Wilcoxon * Arnold Riley * Sam Jaffe * Ray Middleton * August "Guus" Oster * Richard Benedict * Henry Rowland * Robert Moore * Peter Bull * John Marley * George Givot * Ned Glass * Chet Allen * J Delos Jewkes * Lloyd Gough * James Mason * Woodrow Parfey * Bill Raisch * Edmond Ryan * Walter Burke * Howard Culver * Richard Burton * Richard Deacon * Clyde Cook * Bernard Youens * Billy Sands * Howland Chamberlin * Duncan Renaldo * E J Andre * Richard Basehart * Neil Hamilton * Walter Pidgeon * Leonard Rossiter * Napoleon Whiting * David Gorcey * Oskar Werner * Walter Woolf King * Mario Gallo * Luther Adler * Avon Long * Ian Hendry * Peter Lawford * Wilfrid Brambell * Ken Mayers * Charles Briggs * Marvin Miller * Tom Greenway * Henry Hathaway * Nicholas Colssanto * Larry Ward * George Holmes * Louis Hayward * Alexander Scourby * David Huffman * Pat J O'Malley * Michael Redgrave * Edward Andrews * Harold Peary * Scott Brady * Kent Smith * Murray Matheson * Richard Haydn * George Pravada * Hal LeRoy * Dolph Sweet * Edmond O'Brien * Jorja Curtright * Hugh Burden * Tex Terry * Richard Greene * Siem Devout * George Chandler * James Craig * Mickey Shaughnessy * Grant Williams * James F Nolan * Frank Faylen * Grayson Hall * Patrick Barr * George O'Brien * Mickey Simpson * Lloyd Nolan * George Savalas * Rock Hudson * Sidney Clute * Maurice Copeland * Orson Welles * Yul Brynner * Claude Stroud * John Lodge * Kirby Grant * Phil Silvers * Jimmy Ritz * Stepin Fetchit * Alex Courtney * Sam Gillman *
Have just realised that Kenny Baker is not on this list and he died in 1985 so maybe that is 2 days work down the drain !!
MarvelousMare, you're looking at the right Kenny Baker. I don't see any similarity between him and Kay Kendall either. And personally, I think when we find out who Timmy is, we're going to see it's not anyone as popular or well known as those men who have already been guessed.
MELSTER good research! you can prob elim deaths 1980-83 (very very few aids related deaths) and those on the list with name recognition
Hey guys--I commented on this in another spot too, but I just had a thought, and please forgive me if someone else has already mentioned this and I just didn't see it in the posts. Remember that Vanity Fair/Annie Liebowitz pictorial of "Killers Kill and Dead Men Die" that Ent posted a few weeks back? I was trying to figure out the significance of the post (other than the amazing pictures), because it was a March 2007 issue, but he posted it in August.
Anyway, I found the issue and I was reading the article again, and it suddenly occurred to me that maybe Timmy/Shimmy is one of the Old Hollywood actors mentioned in the article who "worked" on the picture back in the day.
This could be totally way off, but I can't find the post now, and I thought I would throw this idea in the mix. The actors/actresses mentioned in the 40s as they appear in the story are the following:
Humphrey Bogart
Robert Mitchum
Sterling Hayden
Glenn Ford
Peter Lorre
Sydney Greenstreet
Lauren Bacall
Barbara Stanwyck
Joan Crawford
Richard Widmark
Gene Tierney
Lee Marvin
Gloria Grahame
Ida Lupino
Jimmy Stewart
Obviously there are several we can cross off right away, but weren't there rumblings about Gloria Grahame or Ida Lupino in the comments? Forgive me if this sounds really stupid, I just thought it might be like Ent to randomly throw this article/post in there and not give a reason as to why.
Its nobody(above)that famous-
In fact if Shimmy is really well remembered today- i'll be somewhat surprised, thats why i think its still Alice Brady-
I can't get the picture of the 'mystery man' that walked up and off with himself and HER oscar never to be seen again- maybe cause Shimmy was too ***hived out*** to even attend the ceremony!
That alone is the stuff old hollywood myths are made of. And the dedicated folks on this blog just came across it doing research for this blind.
And i agree on Timmy-- Twisted-Simply i think he was a very attactive in a feminine kind of way chorus boy/hoofer with a solo here and there in the many dime a dozen production musicals-- but getting nowhere fast.
Now here's where ya gotta give the guy his props- when Shimmy came into the pic. Alas-Shimmy's the star not Timmy. Cast photos of Timmy mentioned by ENT may be from old broadway shows or even early tv for that matter.
What makes the blind so intriguing that no matter who it was he sure when thru alot of shit for a few years of semi-fame and apparently semi-love. And still died of- well you know the rest. Was it really worth it? I wonder.
ENT, you got alot riding on this one babe.
If anyone had seen me watching Kenny Baker singing from The Mikado on You Tube i'd never be able to live it down.....
This is not my find but Barbara K. E. on another board posted a very suspect name for Timmy. Walter Merrill. He made tons of movies most of them uncredited roles and he had a gap between 1951 and 1957. He died in 1985. Can't find a picture of him either. Very limited info that I could find. If this has already posted or been researched debunked then please forgive me. I tried to search it but couldn't make it work. I have a mac and don't think the commands are the same. If it hasn't please look him up on IMDB and see what you think. I am giddy at the moment because I had given up but thank you Barbara for keepin my dream alive!!
I wonder whether there weren't three careers under three different names. Timmy from as soon as he can get out and start working through his first studio contract (lots of folks don't make it that far), Shimmy the starlet with the meaty supporting roles, and perhaps Himmy, new name with new credits that don't reference or bookend his time as Shimmy.
Looking at Broadway actors who died from 80-85 (because I read the clues to indicate that Shimmy split the West Coast and the film industry in order to resume life as Timmy or start a new one as Himmy), I found this guy http://www.geocities.com/donald_madden/main.html
who has nothing between high school and hitting it big on Broadway in his 30's, then dies. He's not a very hairy guy. He was, apparently, a pretty funny guy.
Found this about Gene Tierney
In 1957, Tierney was seen by a neighbor as she was about to jump from a ledge. The police were called, and she was admitted to the Menninger Clinic in Topeka, Kansas.
Gloria Grahame won Best Supporting Actress at the 1952 AA.
Quote: This was the first year that the Academy Awards ceremony were televised (on March 19, 1953), on black and white NBC-TV, with Bob Hope as host. It resulted in the largest audience in commercial television history.
Version1.
Shimmy: Marie Dressler
Timmy: William Powell
Version2.
Shimmy: Judy Holliday
Timmy: George Raft
HEY WHEN IS THE REVEAL AGAIN??????
Obviously too long from now, as no one seems to care anymore.
Try looking at the EMMY awards. They give out awards for television movies. Here's some (emmy website cuts off words, sorry if anything is confusing):
OUTSTANDING SINGLE PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A - 1967
ABC Stage 67 - ABC - Geraldine Page
CBS Playhouse - CBS - Shirley Booth
Death of a Salesman - CBS - Mildred Dunnock
Hallmark Hall of Fame - NBC - Julie Harris
Hallmark Hall of Fame - NBC - Lynn Fontanne
OUTSTANDING SINGLE PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A - 1966
Bob Hope Presents The Chrysler Theatre - NBC - Shelley Winters
Bob Hope Presents The Chrysler Theatre - NBC - Simone Signoret
OUTSTANDING SINGLE PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS - 1964
Bob Hope Presents The Chrysler Theatre - NBC - Shelley Winters
East Side/West Side - CBS - Diana Sands
The Nurses - CBS - Ruby Dee
OUTSTANDING SINGLE PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A - 1963
Naked City - ABC - Diahann Carroll
Premiere, Presented by Fred Astaire - ABC - Diana Hyland
The Eleventh Hour - NBC - Eleanor Parke
OUTSTANDING SINGLE PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A - 1961
24 Hours in a Woman's Life - CBS - Ingrid Bergman
Hallmark Hall of Fame - NBC - Judith Anderson
OUTSTANDING SINGLE PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS - 1960
Du Pont Show of the Month - CBS - Julie Harris
Ford Startime - NBC - Ingrid Bergman
BEST SINGLE PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS - 1959
Du Pont Show of the Month - CBS - Judith Anderson
Hallmark Hall of Fame - NBC - Julie Harris
Kraft Theatre - NBC - Maureen Stapleton
Playhouse 90 - CBS - Geraldine Page
Playhouse 90 - CBS - Piper Laurie
U.S. Steel Hour - CBS - Helen Hayes
ACTRESS-BEST SINGLE PERFORMANCE-LEAD OR SUPPORT - 1958
Alcoa Hour - NBC - Helen Hayes
Cinderella - CBS - Julie Andrews
Playhouse 90 - CBS - Teresa Wright
Playhouse 90 - CBS - Polly Bergen
Studio One - CBS - Piper Laurie
BEST SINGLE PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS - 1957
Dodsworth (Producers' Showcase) - NBC - Claire Trevor
Eloise (Playhouse 90) - CBS - Evelyn Rudie
Old Lady Shows Her Medals (U.S. Steel Hour) - CBS - Gracie Fields
The Pilot (Studio One) - CBS - Nancy Kelly
This Happy Breed (Ford Star Jubilee) - CBS - Edna Best
Make sure you aren't looking through SAG for the dead Timmy. He was a Stage Actor, so HE (not HER) would have an Equity card, not SAG.
Alice Brady is my choice.
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