Thursday, January 10, 2019

Your Turn

From a reader.

Name some important people who are at risk of being forgotten by history or seem to have been forgotten already.

106 comments:

Former CNN Anchor Candy Crowley said...

Ladies…I am SOOO angry

Last night, Wolfie threw a glass of milk at me. How dairy!

sandybrook said...

Al Gore the man who invented the Internet. And the guy who invented the television whoever he is.

YoSoyMilk said...

Tom from MySpace

sandybrook said...

+1 Milk

YoSoyMilk said...

Good call for you too Sandy!

Jon said...

Norma Shearer

longtimereader said...

James Lovelock, scientific genius behind the Gaia theory and the man who basically discovered global warming and had been warning about it since the 60's.

Nutty_Flavor said...

Most authors and journalists are forgotten very quickly, even ones that seem to be important at the time.

JD Salinger, the author of “Catcher in The Rye”, is a good example. Under-21s don’t do Salinger, at least the ones I come in contact with.

Pop writers get forgotten even more quickly. Jonathan Livingston Seagull anyone?

Nutty_Flavor said...

Actually, pre-code films are pretty popular these days, so I think Norma Shearer has at least a small audience.

More than Garbo, whose acting style doesn’t work in 2019.

gauloise said...

BOb Dylan, a lot of younger people have never heard of him

yepthatsme said...

I was just reading about EUs top court deciding about the right to be forgotten feature on Google and now this blind! Its good to be forgotten rather than be disgraced and have your name dragged through the mud when you are not alive to defend it!

Liz said...

Huge stars from the not so distant past are unknown to many or most young people today. My 30 something son and his friends don't know Bob Hope, Jack Benny, Jimmy Durante, and countless others. Will this happen with Sinatra, Elvis? I don't know.

YoSoyMilk said...

I'm 36 and use to listen to the re-runs of the Jack Benny program all the time growing up @liz

Jeff splatford said...

Splatford~poet/warlord/philosopher

Unknown said...

JD Salinger is one of the most revered authors of all time, he will not be forgotten for a very long time if ever.

Glue said...

LOL @Sandybrook - best answer of the day.

Al Gore the man who invented the Internet.

That is hilarious!! ^^^

Herbert Arnold said...

nicola tesla. they want us to forget about him.

BitterBlondin said...

Avicii and Amy Winehouse

Tricia13 said...

The dude who invented liquid soap....(sorry one of my favorite lines from “The Sure Thing”(“who invented liquid soap and why”?)

DejaBlue said...

Hedy Lamarr. https://www.newsweek.com/only-woman-room-marie-benedict-hedy-lamarr-books-1285093

Thank Hedy Lamarr, The 'Most Beautiful Woman in the World,' for Your Cellphone

Florin said...

Joseph Salk

YoSoyMilk said...

Romy and Michelle

They invented post its

Tricia13 said...

✌️👍

Alf Landon said...

WRONG. Thank Martin Cooper (aka "Marty Mobile") for your cellphone

Gail Banks said...

My son is 29 now. When he was a freshman in college he took an Introduction to American Popular Music class. He was the only person in the class who could name a Chuck Berry song. (He was actually able to name four.) Several students could not name all four Beatles on a test, although most of them got Paul McCartney and John Lennon....poor George and Ringo !!!

Farmgirl said...

Jacques Cousteau
(Sorry if it is a duplicate post)

Super Comic Fun Time! said...

Great Polish artist and co-founder of The Vagabond Society, Stanislav Szukalski.

Lurky McLurkster said...

Some of these comments are really stretching the definition of "important". Famous is not the same as important

raeleigh said...

How many people under the age of 50 or so (other than myself) even understand hilarious Groucho Marx impressions or one-liners anymore?

NMAtty said...

Robert Goulet

T. W. said...

I was not thinking about celebrities when I sent the email to Enty.

1. Marcus Garvey

2. Howard Thurman

3. Carter G. Woodson

4. Pol Pot

5. Alexander Hailey

6. Benjamin Banneker (Bannekar?)

7. Thurgood Marshall

8. Isaac Asimov

9. Ray Bradbury

10. Madame C.J. Walker

Bec said...

Friedrich Engels.
Everyone seems to name-drop "Karl Marx" and "Marxism", but love or hate him there was no Marxism without Engels. Marxism sparked the movements that defined historic events throughout the 20th century and into the 21st, though ironically many don't realize Marxism itself has never actually been tried/implemented.

Excellent short summary of his mostly-forgotten role and influence here: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112368968

JJ said...

Heather O'Rourke

T. W. said...

+1 Lurky McLurkster

I purposefully omitted why I named the people in my list. Nothing wrong with having fun but I am saddened by the lack of serious responses.

Gail Banks said...

Rod Serling

David Howes said...

Robert Johnson.

raeleigh said...

Harold Lloyd

Sarton Bander said...

Yes if only someone could go back in time kill Marx and Engels and save the 20th c 120 million dead.

I am not a fan.

T. W. said...

@David Howes, Robert Johnson is a good one.

@DejaBlue, yes, people know Heddy Lemar as an actress but not as an inventor who held patents.

Davina David said...

Sandra Day O'Conner lost as first female SCOTUS judge in all the RBG mania.

Tricia13 said...

Love Robert Johnson.
Amazing story/folklore about his gift... in the end though it was certainly that. Best blues guitarist of all time.

Tricia13 said...

By “that” I mean talent... his voice was haunting as well.

Laura Ramona said...

Kelly Mcgillis. God the new Top Gun actress is so boring.

Muckduck said...

I LOVE JACQUES COUSTEAU! I'm sorry Phoebe but I think Jacques Cousteau is dead. 😂😂

TVAnnie said...

John Phillip Sousa, yes I'm a band geek and I play the bassoon.

Violet617 said...

Marc Bolan

Amartel said...

Norman Borlaug. May have saved more lives than anyone in history.
Also, it's Jonas Salk, not Joseph, who developed polio vaccines. Already being forgotten.

Brayson87 said...

I would have said Nicola Tesla, but thanks to Musk that name is not going away. Dude basically laid the foundation for half of our sh!t. Edison was a better thief than an inventor.

Brayson87 said...

I love that he basically said that Einstein was a punk. Well one gave us electricity while the other gave us the atom bomb so he may have had a point ;)

Flashy Vic said...

Not one that any of you Yanks would have known or any of the UK posters under 50 would remember, but Simon Dee.

When I was a wee lad he was everywhere. In the late 60s and early 70s he was probably one of the most famous faces in Britain. An ex radio DJ his Simon Says show and Dee Time chat show had astonishing ratings. He was always on other shows too. He dated supermodels,pop stars, he was almost synonymous with Swinging London.
Then he played hardball with the network he was on, demanding seriously morecmoney and they flat out sacked him and just picked up so early other face to take his place.
All the job offers dried up and within a year or two it was "Simon who?"

Fast forward a couple of years and he was working as (I think) a bus driver.
Then not too long after that he died, still tragically young, in obscurity.

Amartel said...

Friedrich Engels was a prissy resentful bitch who was less about loving the poor (he found them disgusting) and more about hating the rich.
He's been forgotten for a reason. His book is ridiculous. Just another in a long line of entitled bourgeois twats who don't want to work but found you can make a pretty sweet living spewing out platitudes and inventing failed-in-advance programs paid for with other peoples' money.

lightgirl said...

Nikola Tesla.
Dwight Eisenhower with his warnings about the takeover by the military-industrial complex--now a reality, and has been for decades.
JFK with his important statements re: same, and much more!

Post Cards From The Edge said...

George burns

Humor Me said...

any of our country's founding fathers.......

Post Cards From The Edge said...

Boy amartel, he seems to be alive and well and living rent free in your mind lol

Nutty_Flavor said...

Yeah, HumorMe, “Hamilton” helped with the whole Founding Fathers thing. Hamilton himself was about to be taken off the $10 bill before Lin-Manuel came to his rescue.

Ben Franklin wasn’t in the show but also benefits from his position on the $100.

Nutty_Flavor said...

Another future obscure person is Madonna. The teenagers I know think she’s a snooze. U2 as well. Bono has not aged well in any sense of the word.

Low Key said...

Tesla. Also what a dick Edison was.

Ice Angel said...

Every single person killed on 9/11.

Substance D said...

That would follow as no one was killed on 911.
https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=482

Leanne St G said...

I love you for this.

Jon said...

Mary Kay Stearns

Bleu said...

Well Thurgood Marshall is in absolutely no danger now or ever of being forgotten by history. And while Pol Pot's name might not have the staying power of Hitler's he'll always make the same list of genocidal 20th century figures.

I would argue that of the remaining people on that list, a good chunk of the US population would recognize between 1-3. That doesn't mean any of them are in danger of being forgotten by history -- especially in regard to US black history pioneer/activists and 20th century US science fiction authors.

frogger007 said...

Talked to a millennial the other day who had no idea who John Steinbeck was or any of his work. And we live near “Steinbeck Country”.

:| raven |: said...

Pat Tillman

Ice Angel said...

@substance - that is the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen. We all watched it. Thousands of people experienced it. The ashes were real. There were lots of people in those towers, those planes, etc... I happen to know someone personally who was in the 2nd tower and managed to get out. I am so sure that people like all of those firemen and police officers decided to just leave their families and never go home that day. It was all staged.

We all watched people literally jumping to their deaths on live TV. Many people died from contracting cancer from breathing the debris at the site.

Let's ask Ted Olson where his wife, Barbara has been for the past 17 years. How about asking Pete Davidson where his father is. If you want to try to make a claim that the government planned this (and hundreds of people helped cover it up) then go ahead. But please don't insult the families and loved ones of the victims of the very real people who died on 911.

Sarton Bander said...

Dwight Eisenhower also warned in the same passage about a scientific technical "elite".

Far more worried about the Deep state than the MIC.

Brayson87 said...

@frogger, To be fair, Steinbeck still doesn't have his own youtube channel or twitter account. ;)

shawn fleming said...
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shawn fleming said...

Phillo Farnsworth for the TV.

Mischief Girl said...

Great question!

Steve Jobs.

My husband teaches at university level in comp sci and the kids have no idea who Jobs is when the hubsters shows an interview clip with him.

DAMN I'm getting old!

Elle Kaye said...

Aww...I just bought Catcher in the Rye for my 14 year old. Really hoping he picks it up one day.

Substance D said...

Ice Guy- Babs Olson has been with Teddy all along- por ejemplo:
http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/07/what-happened-to-flight-77s-passengers.html
Also, seeing something on Tee Vee is no guarantee of objective truth. In fact, its a guarantee you are seeing fiction. And wouldn't you rather live in a world of fictitious deaths than real ones? What kind of monster would pick the latter? Yeah, there are crisis actors lying to the camera 24/7, but that annoyance beats "thousands dead" any day, right?
I know you are not a monster because, like me, you wallow in the filth of Hollywood right here at CDAN like well adjusted, skeptical Amurricans do.
So lets all sing the new national anthem with a renewed trust in our leaders and media stewards who would never sell out the greatest country on the face of all planet Earth- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjBkcesw0P0

lightgirl said...

@SartanBander, I agree, now that you mention it.
That "press conference" with Nancy and Chuck right after T's oval office speech was like watching an evil in action.
For those who have eyes to see.
Hoping that more and more are doing so.
The MIC ARE entwined with the deep state tho, as I am sure you know, they have paid billions to the actors therein.

Roger Mortis said...

Google 'forgotten female scientists'. It's pretty shameful.

Anonymous said...


Missing persons, and persons experiencing homelessness, are daily and regularly ignored,
their cases at bottom of pile,
forgotten.
As a family member of a missing person, it is hell on earth.

Teachermom said...

Paul Harvey.... I grew up listening to- “and now you know the rest of the story.” I never stuck my arm out of a moving car after hearing him tell me, over the radio, that someone had their hand cut off by a branch when they did that, True story. Or at least my part.

Leland Hayward. The guy was great at so many things- talent agent to all the stars- Fred Astaire, Jimmy Stewart, Ginger Rogers, Ernest Hemingway. And directed South Paciific, The Spirit of St. a Louis, and The Sound of Music. Then , he goes and co-founds Southwest Airlines.

Howard Hawks- director of so many of the greatest movies- Bringing up baby, his girl Friday, to have or have not, Seargant York, to name just a few of my faves.

I agree with Hedy Lamar. Other than some people who are really into old movies, no one knows who she was. My daughters don’t (I asked). They do know Audrey Hepburn, Olivia De Havilland, and Lauren Bacall. I have read a few biographies and Hedy was an amazing woman.

Frances Marion. Unless you are a revolutionary war buff and/or live in Marion, SC, (or was alive to watch the 1959-61 tv series about him) you probably don’t know him anymore. Yet he was the original “green beret” in that he fought gorilla style warfare. He was the Swamp Fox. Amazing leader.

Ignacio Semmelweis. For one thing, the name. Seriously awesome name. Secondly, he was a doctor who realized that handwashing in maternity wards decreased death by like 80 or 90%.

micmac said...

Lucille Ball & Carole Burnett

T. W. said...

@TVAnnie - I took concert band. Marching band is an American thing, people outside of America have no reason to know who John Phillip Sousa is. Most people don't even know there is a musical instrument named after him either.

@Brayson87 - Is it true someone asked Einstein what it was like to be the most intelligent person alive and his reply was "I don't know, ask Nikola Tesla?"

@HumorMe - How many people know Alexander Hamilton was born in the West Indies to a poor family and died in a duel at a young age?

@Bleu - I beg to differ.

I live in North Carolina. Black history is not taught in our public schools. I am also sick of the same black people getting glory during black history month.

I never heard of Howard Thurman or Angela Davis until I began my studies at divinity school. I am black, I took both African American history and African history so I am comfortable saying I doubt a lot of people know who they are.

How many people know a black woman started the Me Too Movement many years ago, not Rose McGowan?

What about the black man that invented the traffic light?

What about the black man that invented convertible tops for automobiles?

How many people know the phrase "The real McCoy" is a reference to a black inventor?

How many people know that the concept of vaccinations came about because a slave owner watched his slave girl do it on the plantation?

How many people know that before there was Oprah there was Madame C. J. Walker?

I did not know who Marcus Garvey was until I was 17 years old. I choose to take African American history as a high school elective. The book was less than 200 pages and most of it was photographs, maps, and drawings.

Not everyone I mentioned on my initial comment is black but they all deserve to be researched. Marcus Garvey was damn important and was treated worse than an animal.

T. W. said...

I am adding Emmett Till and Trayvon Martin to the list.

T. W. said...

@ Mischief Girl - You are welcome and please tell me your comment is a joke. If it is not then humanity if fukked.

@frogger - We had to read Of Mice and Men in high school as a requirement. I was required to read The Grapes of Wrath when I was in college. Considering a lot of people will not go to college I am frightened for our future. These people will decide what will become of us in our old age and I feel history is doomed to be repeated.

@Teachermom - I loved listening to Paul Harvey on the radio!

T. W. said...

@ mercyprosperity I am sorry you have a loved one missing. I pray God sends His Holy Spirit to comfort you. Please know that myself and others do remember and pray for the missing, the confined, the helpless, and the hopeless.

I think your comment is very important. I wonder how many people remember all those black girls who mysteriously disappeared around the same time in Washington, D. C. How many people remember Mayor Diblasio asking why illegal immigrant teens were dumped in New York City and then picked up by people who did not know them. He alluded human trafficking is taking place. I have some sources who are telling me this is happening and some shady business is going on in the detention centers. No, I am not talking about CDAN as the source although it is confirming what I have been hearing.

T. W. said...

Antiochus IV Epiphanes should be on the list too. How many non-Jewish people or people who are not theologians know about him?

T. W. said...

DEAR CDAN COMMUNITY

I thank all of you who were able and took the time to reply to this Your Turn.

I encourage everyone to learn about every person listed here whom you are unfamiliar with.

I enjoy the intellectual stimulation from this. I am also getting great pleasure from researching some of the people listed here.

I also want to thank everyone for being respectful. I also appreciate the joke comments, laughter is healing.

I pray everyone has a blessed 2019 and I pray we all take extra time to be kind to ourselves and to each other. We are all in the same ship known as planet earth.

God bless you all.

With love,

T. W.

T. W. said...

@Substance D - While I personally believe we are not being told the whole truth about 9/11, I recorded the event on VHS tape (didn't know what was gonna happen that day, trying to get Another World because the WNCN used to show it in the morning instead of at 2pm).

People did die on 9/11. People did jump from buildings on 9/11.

Junebug said...

Florin - Did you mean Jonas Salk? I would add Florence Nightingale to the mix.

Gator said...

Tesla was always underrated and never got the credit he deserved.

Jeweled Skye said...

Farrah Faucett, Ryan White, Ansel Adams

PghGirl said...

Crossing my fingers....reality 'stars'

zerooptions said...

Barbara Jordan

Mahogany1 said...

Vanessa Williams

Haywood Jablomee said...

The Crusher. "The man who made Milwaukee Famous".
Today's wrestlers don't hold a candle to his skill and mi c work.

Nutty_Flavor said...

@TW "Marching band is an American thing, people outside of America have no reason to know who John Phillip Sousa is."

I don't know where you got this idea. U.S. marching bands are based on European military-style marching bands, which date back to the 18th century and are still extremely popular in the UK, Germany, Russia, Italy, et. al.

In fact, one of the US military's complaints is that the Europeans spend more on their marching bands than their actual fighting forces.

Marching bands are also huge in Latin America. Not sure about Africa, but I once saw a beautiful marching band from Zaire (the former Belgian Congo) marching through the streets of Brussels, the Belgian capital.

gauloise said...

Tesla is more famous than edison these days, he has a massive cult following among science tech gamer types

also people like lamar and benjamin banneker will remain in consciousness due to womens and african american studies classes. Lamar is more known as an early female inventor these days than an actress

Do Tell said...

The Marx Brothers, Chaplin, and many of the early Hollywood pioneers and giants. That is a shame that people will grow up not knowing their genius. I am surprised that Laurel and Hardy got a movie this year, but it is a positive thing. And "Stan and Ollie" is a great movie.

Do Tell said...

Also Florence Nightingale and Gloria Steinem.

And I don't think people are doing historical figures any favors by appropriating their stories and changing certain fundamental facts, as was done with Hamilton and that idiotic play out in L.A. that took Anne Frank's story and made it about illegal immigrants. FFS, that was beyond offensive.

Unknown said...

my hero - Simon Wiesenthal

Unknown said...

TW
thank you for kind words.
I never thought it could happen in my family and certainly not to my adult chold; but there it is .
We don't have the proper system for finding missing persons in the US.
The national data bank now lists 89,000 missing persons.

luckythewondercat said...

The people on the flight with Bethanny Frankel when she had an allergic reaction to fish.

Unknown said...

Perhaps if we did forums like this more often?
And less often for empty shallow clothes horses like Beckham's and Markles...

More Cowbell said...

Me. :)

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Substance D said...

@TW- Please post that video to You Tube so experts can assess whether it is real or CGI-

Paul Saint John said...

Barack Obama.

ardleighstreet said...

PLEASE, I work with a millennial who had NO idea who Marvin the Martian was. I asked her about other things in pop culture and history and got mostly, "I have no idea who that is." I wanted to cry!

P.S. This isn't a stupid girl. She has a doctorate!

theotherginger said...

Irena Sendler.

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