Saturday, April 21, 2018

Blind Item #8 - Old Hollywood

Coming into the light this past week is that this long dead permanent A list mostly movie actor who was an Academy Award winner was a card carrying member of the KKK while in college.

103 comments:

Sd Auntie said...

Jimmy Stewart. I hope not.

Nutty_Flavor said...
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DDonna Tarttty said...

Sweet Jesus please not Jimmy Stewart. Why would you even say that? OMG. No. Just please no.

Mhb 155 said...

Fredric March

sandybrook said...

John Wayne? 😥

M said...

John Wayne? been hearing stories about his huge racist tendencies for years

T. W. said...
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Simon said...

I’m on the John Wayne train

T. W. said...

How many dead permanent A list Academy Award nominees/winners actually went to college?

Bob Hope came to mind but I don't know if he went to college.

Green Tea said...

What about after college?

T. W. said...

Pardon me. I meant to say I don't know if he was nominated or won AND if he went to college.

GeeWallyThatWouldBeWrong said...

KKK was more of a political party back in the day. Probably not the nicest bunch on the block but they wern't as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Most were quite tame.

David Howes said...

I saw somewhere that John Wayne, played football at and graduated from USC.
And, that he was a life long member of the KKK.

It was rumored that he was also one of their biggest benefactors.

People have forgotten that back in the day of the early 1900's, the KKK was a very, very powerful political organization. Their endorsement, got you nominated and even elected.

And, this was when John was getting his career started.
It was also the time when a lot of Confederate Monuments were erected.

Wouldn't be surprised if this is the Duke!

Sad - if true!

=(

Tav Eee said...

Yeah the Klan is as bad as we all think. Anyone who pushes toward they aren't that bad ia prolly a card carrying member.

zerooptions said...

@Geewallyimsuchadumbass
Have you googled klan terrorism before saying such a stupid thing?

john smith said...

I think MHB has it - Fredric March

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2018/04/19/uw-reckon-ku-klux-klan-history-but-wont-remove-kkk-member-names-buildings/531145002/

Frufra said...

Disagree. My great-grandfather quit his job with the post office to run for county clerk on the KKK ticket. This was in the 1920’s in Texas. He lost the election and had to grovel get back on in a low-level postal position to support his family. He was so disgraced that it eventually lead to a nervous breakdown and his eventual death in the state hospital. Now, I’m not saying he didn’t have other problems that lead to his downfall, but his involvement with the Klan brought great shame on his family. My grandfather (who was extremely open-minded and accepting) told us about attending the rallies as a child - his horror was still fresh 60 years later.

Sd Auntie said...

The reason being @ddonna. Has been articles touting his time in the army which I already knew about. I like the guy too..just a guess. Probably is John Wayne though. He loved to bang south of the border ladies which was controversial during that era. Charlton Heston was another guess

Do Tell said...

The KKK was still lynching people and burning crosses in the 1930's. And probably later than that. So, they cannot be mitigated as far as how bad they were/are.

Sd Auntie said...

Kkk was and is a domestic terrorist group. Bombings-yup, lynchings-yes, intimidation and separation of races- continues to this day!! No sugar coating about it folks...

GeeWallyThatWouldBeWrong said...

@Sd Auntie

Drama much?

notthisagain said...

how high should we hang you?

Moonmaid said...

Yep Frederich March:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2018/04/19/uw-reckon-ku-klux-klan-history-but-wont-remove-kkk-member-names-buildings/531145002/

mercyprosperity said...


To be "A list" always, always, always requires dark connections.
There are no exceptions; that's the system.

fustian said...

The KKK was not a political party.

In some sense it was the military wing of the Democrat party. The origin of the Republican party is that they split off from the group that went on to become the Democrat party over the issue of slavery. The Republicans didn't believe in it, the Democrats did. If you will recall, the first Republican Presidential candidate was a guy named Lincoln.

The KKK was originally formed during Reconstruction as a sort of white Resistance, and their attacks were directed not just at blacks but at suppressing white Republicans.

I find it pretty amusing that black people have allied themselves with the party of slavery. It's pretty amazing when you think about it.

DDonna Tarttty said...

Feel like I've read enough about the Klan and lived enough of my life in the American South to say with some conviction and credibility that the KKK has pretty much been a domestic terror organization their entire existence.

The historical period of the nineteen-teens is particularly abhorrent in the way early silent Hollywood teamed with the Woodrow Wilson administration to revitalize the Klan through state-of-the-art prestige filmmaking. Make no mistake: DW Griffith was a creative genius, and Birth of the Nation was the Star Wars + Gone with the Wind of it's day, except it was despicable racist propaganda. Marvyn Stokes book on the whole thing is a great read and I highly recommend it.

I can understand an ambitious actor with little moral fiber joining, because they certainly were a political force in their heyday, well into the 1950s. I can even live with it and watch another John Wayne movie if it's him. His right wing politics are well-known, so you could say it's not shocking. But if it was Jimmy Stewart, I'd be crushed.

GeeWallyThatWouldBeWrong said...

Yeah, that too, the Klan was formed to ward off evil Republicans who supported blacks. That's why you never want to take history lessons from the SJW/Lefist Crowd. They lie, a lot.

Kno Won Uno said...

Agree, Frufra. KKK was always the same.

Kno Won Uno said...

GeeWally, white supremacist much?

GeeWallyThatWouldBeWrong said...

@Kno Won Uno

Truth is supreme. SJW bullying is the antithesis of that.

rosie riveter said...

Lol which part of what Auntie said was wrong or dramatic?

Jane Hanoi said...

Wouldnt john wayne and jimmy stewart be rated permenant A+ ?
Fredic march

Connie Courtney said...

I doubt this is John Wayne. He married and had children with Hispanic women exclusively

aanjheni said...

You got it and the uni is UW Madison. Trust me, this is one blind I can confirm.

Geeljire said...

Every time a Bel rings a shaitan gets its horns.

Humor Me said...

D. W. Griffith?

Hey Frau said...

Charlton HESTON

Gator said...

John Wayne was a known racist.

Cee Kay said...

@Wally I'll pile on. IS it bullying to call stupid people out when they're being stupid? Really?

Violet said...

The KKK was so bad that the one of the FOUNDERS, General Nathan Bedford Forrest, disavowed it and unsuccessfully tried to disband it a few years after it was formed. He had wanted to oppose the Yankee government that he thought was "occupying" Southern land. Instead, the Klan made murderous raids on free blacks and former slaves, many of whom had no political affiliation, and were just struggling to survive in a post-war economy.

DDonna Tarttty said...

GriffiTH, yes thank you. I've made that mistake before. Had several friends with the last name Griffin, none with the last name Griffith. I've done it for Andy, too. Hope I never blow it on "Jeopardy," that'd be hugely embarrassing.

Geeljire said...

Not General Nathaniel Mason Forrest!
OH IS THERE ANY EVER HELP FOR THE WIDOW'S SON?

Southern Man said...

You only know what you are told.
I grew up in the shadow of Stone Mountain, Georgia.

notthisagain said...

on a slightly related note, Im looking forward to the reviews once spike lee's BlackkKlansman premieres at Cannes. Ive been pretty excited following it, its also produced by jordan peel (w/lee) and I have a feeling adam driver is gonna give a helluva performance

Sd Auntie said...

Trivializing a painful part of American history is not my scene. My forefathers were subjected to this crap in Texas and for u to excuse your distant relative as no big deal, well your wrong. Educate yourself sometime Wally!

Sd Auntie said...

Well said @DDonna.

Predilecto said...

Like most domestic terror organizations of the past, they wafted between political legitimacy when it went in their favor, or terrorism/vigilantism when it didn't. They would not only target people of color, but whites who wouldn't bow down to their pressure, not only on racial issues but on just plain political corruption.

I could see this being John Wayne. Why not? I am sure it's Fredric Mach though. The KKK wasn't just active in the South. If you guys have already forgotten, there was a big fight between KKK members and protesters in SoCal not too long ago.

I hate this insinuation that hatred is only limited to the South. Southern California is a hotbed of hate groups too. If you go south of LA to Orange County, Riverside, San Bernadino and East San Diego you're bound to run into some pretty nasty hate from some active groups.

T. W. said...

Someone needs an unedited history book.

I live in the south. While the KKK is politically active it is NOT a political party. When one of them wants to run for office they run as Republican.

Trump always came to the same county when he campaigned in my state. It just so happens the Grand Imperial Wizard of the KKK or whatever that fool calls himself lives in said county.

MissDe said...

Cmon this can be multiple people technically there is more than one right answer

Unknown said...

Are you kidding? The KKK were lynching people in that era, you fuckstick

dee lewis said...

It’s ironic if it’s Frederic March because up until several years ago, I always thought he was Jewish. He plays an elderly Jewish man so convincingly in Middle of The Night, and is also in an anti-Nazi movie So Ends Our Night.
Hope it isn’t him. I like him a lot, don’t want to be disappointed.

A Certain Party said...

It is Frederic March, a fellow University of Wisconsin alum. We Badgers have know this for years, but it made the news in Madison this week.

dee lewis said...

Unfortunately, after doing a little research it is Frederic March. Ironically, he was a lifelong Democrat, too.

Sd Auntie said...

East San Diego is where I grew up. 92105 is now filled with Cambodian, Vietnemese and Somallian folks! I think you mean East County which is El Cajon and beyond. Lakeside is notorious hangout for Nazi Low Riders and they sell dope to all races. Tons of tweakers too and that's a nasty combination.

Eff Yiew said...

Democrats haven't changed much since their klan days.

BRAD PITT said...

he was a HUAC bully

Bubbles said...

Courtney, I don't know what John Wayne's spouses looked like, but all Hispanic women aren't women of color and Hollywood has always regarded them differently than Black actors. I mean, I'm sure most Black actors of that day would much rather play the latin lover, South American playboy as opposed to the butler tap dancing up and down the steps or the ne'er do well lazy Black guy. Not to mention Lucy would have been loving herself if her Cuban bandleader husband looked like Sidney Poitier.

And who doesn't know in 2018 that the Democratic party of the reconstruction south shifted into what is now the Republican party of today years ago. There is nothing vaguely resembling the Republican party of Lincoln that is found in the Republicans of today. That might have had a little something with us Blacks having the political affiliations of today.

Bleu said...

Good God in the late 1980s members were walking around in their hoods at night right off of the Michigan State University campus terrifying carloads of students trapped in car lines stopped at train tracks. FFS yes they are and were terrorists at every era.

Bleu said...

Trump fucking left Ross Perot's Reform Party because David Duke joined and had its support. Get a fucking clue.

The_Ish said...
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The_Ish said...

Drumpf is playing these white supremacist redneck clowns.

He's a pro-Russian pawn all the way. He could really care less about any of their inbred ilk.

Anyone with two brain cells can see the "wall" was a tactic to get elected.

Won't happen. Walls haven't worked since Constantinople.

sammolicious13 said...

@ddonna +1 please not Jimmy stewart

sammolicious13 said...

it's already on his wiki now, linked to article:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2018/04/19/uw-reckon-ku-klux-klan-history-but-wont-remove-kkk-member-names-buildings/531145002/?from=new-cookie

sammolicious13 said...

+1

Ramone Love said...

The KKK issues membership cards? Like AARP?

Remie Ross said...

Probably a democrat since they started the KKK

Aunty said...

Speaking of hate groups and domestic terrorist organizations, there will come a time when one will hide one's membership in today's Republican Party or the NRA. That time can't come soon enough for anyone who cares about their family, their state, their country or their planet.

Han Niam said...

@GeeWally I really REALLY hope you’re just trolling with that comment. Because if not, you must have slept through every one of your American History classes.

As has been pointed out already, the KKK were actively lynching people in that era and not even trying to hide it. And even a lot of fairly racist Yankees were horrified by them.*

*Got receipts for this one

Han Niam said...

They were still at it in the 60s, so...

Han Niam said...

@sd Well put. Some parts of history are horrifying and dramatic on their own. Making them not so only trivializes the mass violation of the people who were targeted.

Han Niam said...
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Han Niam said...

@fustian The GOP is no longer the party of Lincoln and the Democratic Party is no longer the party of slavery and “Christian Values” and hasn’t been for longer than I’ve been alive. Those “moral majority” voters defected to the Republican Party when the Democratic Party became inhospitable to their views and the Republicans realized they could manipulate MM voters to vote for them every time by “embracing” whatever Christian hot button issues were on the table.

To ignore the tectonic shift beneath the R/D American parties is just disingenuous.

Han Niam said...

@Bleu but he was happy enough to take David Duke’s endorsement this time around, wasn’t he?

Sd Auntie said...

Well @ bubbles, it was a big deal amongst Latinos. Lucy and Desi were NOT role models. It was VERY segregated until my generation and the boomers in my family.married/reproduced with other races.

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bdm said...

Hey Wally! Go FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE!

Dominique Ray said...

You’re a dumbass!!! Charltons done more for blacks than any of the black actors. He marched and demanded fair pay for blacks. Just because someone is nra doesn’t mean they racist. Educate yourself

Dominique Ray said...

You’re another dumbass!!! Charltons done more for blacks than any of the black actors. He marched and demanded fair pay for blacks at a time when he could have been black listed. Him and billy graham was very good friends with mlk. Just because someone is nra or Christian doesn’t mean they racist. Educate yourself. He was amazing. This blog has the worst Christian phobic ppl commenting.

Nomnom said...

Yeah. Because what we were and are taught in american history class is all true right? Asshole.

T. W. said...

@Bleu

You get a clue. David Duke is an instigator. He knows most people won't vote for someone he endorses. See how that works?

Geeljire said...

Yet you were stupid enough to compose and publish this.

GeeWallyThatWouldBeWrong said...

The Dems have killed more blacks with the abortion business than the KKK could have ever done. Many blacks are now "woke" and know the truth.

GeeWallyThatWouldBeWrong said...

"pro-choice" = Black Genocide.

fustian said...

@Han Niam

Well neither party is particularly inspiring. These days I largely believe in the professional wrestling model that says that these guys are all on the take and their positions are largely show. After they pontificate on the floor of the House or the Senate, they get together in their clubs and eat and drink at our expense laughing all the way to the bank.

I will say that as much as I find they don't really embody it much these days, I find the Republican message of individual responsibility and equal opportunity to be superior to the Democrat message of class war and equal outcomes.

Additionally, my understanding is that as white southerners lost their racism, those were the voters that migrated to the Republican party. And, frankly, by now, if I were black, I would strongly prefer living in Houston, for example, than Detroit. And Atlanta is hailed as the unofficial capital of black America.

Here are the cities where black people seem to be doing best (survey by newgeography): Atlanta, Raleigh, DC, Baltimore, Charlotte, Virginia Beach, Orlando, Miami, Richmond, San Antonio, Austin, Houston, Dallas.

Cities where they struggle include: Milwaukee, Grand Rapids, Cincinnati, San Fran, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo, Minneapolis, Louisville, Salt Lake, Sacramento, Rochester, and Los Angeles.

I would further point out that Democrats believe that minorities cannot succeed by their own merits and that they require hand-outs. That strikes me as the personification of racism, and as anybody sensible would predict has not been working very well.

Pollux said...

+100 Nomnom

Poor Mick said...

Every time someone pulls the "party of Lincoln" bullshit ignoring the historical defection of the Dixiecrats, it's an excellent sign they eat lead paint like gazpacho and should be summarily fuckin' ignored.

Also regardless of who you voted for or why, everyone's got their reasons and neither choice was that great, but you gotta admit that it's only in the last, oh, year two that people feel brave enough to stand up and really stand up for the KKK's legacy. At least the honesty is refreshing, I guess?

fustian said...

@Poor Mick

Of course, most of the Dixiecrats went right back to the Democrat party from which they crawled. We know that because the south stayed Democratic even after the immediate fall of the Dixiecrats. Even high profile defectors like Thurmond moderated their racist views to become Republicans.

There is simply no getting around the fact that the Democrat party was forked off from the Republicans because they supported racism. And that the KKK were exclusively Democrats.

And the fact that black people are thriving in southern towns and not northern ones is defacto proof that as the south became more Republican, they also became less racist.

DailyTacoTrux said...

Wow. You've been drinking that Fox News kool aid.

fustian said...

Nope.

I just wrote here because so few people today understand at all how we got here. Most millennials have probably never heard of George Wallace, just for example. But if they have, I'm certain that they would never guess he was a Democrat.

I have to say, if I was a Democrat, it would bother me that George was one too.

MIssBliss said...

+1000 han niam. Fustian is being purposely ignorant. We see through you, Fustian.

Han Niam said...

@NomNom a lot of us are old enough to remember back when the KKK were still getting away with open terrorism. And if not us, our parents.

I’ll always Agree that History class isn’t the end all be all, especially when the history is so recent. (Or so skewed toward only what white men did/knew/remembered)

Han Niam said...

@Ddonna good point in bringing up the sheer racism of the teens and the popularity of BoaN.

Oscar Micheaux’s films (especially his “reply” to BoaN, I want to say “At our Gates” was the title? Something like that) are must-see early cinema to balance early Hollywood. His work was underfunded and generally only shown to Black audiences, but some of his films did survive and some show a surprisingly realistic view of life as a Black American in the silent era.

And yes. KKK are pretty much the definition of a terrorist organization. I’m still facepalming that Georgia’s anti-KKK legislation ended up getting anti-Nazi protesters arrested this weekend while the Nazis got to burn their Swastika in celebration.

fustian said...

@Han Niam

I have to think that neither the KKK, nor these idiot Nazis handle sunlight well. I wouldn't be surprised if those images of the burning swastikas will, in the end, not be good for them.

Han Niam said...

@fustian

“Democrats believe that minorities cannot succeed by their own merits(etc)”. That statement is incorrect. Democrats are AWARE that the deck is stacked against many people due to things beyond their control (see above re: discrimination laws) and that people should have a way in which to stand up for their equal treatment. Simply leaving town and going somewhere more welcoming isn’t an option when you’re poor or when nowhere is more welcoming.

I’m going to guess that you’re probably a white guy, because the way you generalize the differences between the parties suggests that you don’t have anything to lose by the GOP push against things like ADA, women’s bodily autonomy, Title IX, and laws against discrimination on basis of race, gender, sexuality, disability, religion, etc.

I’m what I tend to consider a fairly centrist Democrat. I believe everyone needs the freedom to be left the hell alone in practicing their religion and most anything else that ends at the surface of their skin. (Meaning it’s NOT your right to push your religious values onto me or my kids).

Im also aware that it’s significantly more difficult in American society if you have certain inborn traits that heterosexual white abled Christian middle class Americans (especially male) find distasteful or undesirable.

I believe everyone deserves a fair chance.

And as a happily married gay woman, I’m not bloody likely to vote for a party that wants to claim my wife and I and our kids aren’t a real family and don’t deserve the same tax and legal protections of a family headed by a man and a woman just because a religion I don’t believe in says two men having sex (hey, irrelevant to me!) is evil. Like eating pork, wearing mixed fibers, divorce, adultery, and disrespecting your parents, which the GOP likewise wants to make illeg- oh, yeah, right.

Since were focusing on the negatives rather than the positives of the parties:

Here’s a partial list of things I don’t feel is in the best interest of Americans in general that is promoted by the current GOP*:
-state control of what newspapers can report
-less than full bodily autonomy for women
-second class status for LGBT people
-Christian values promoted by the government, explicitly
-prayer in schools
-sports are for boys
-limits on immigration based on religion and skin color
-limits on protections for disabled people so we can function in society with a minimum of hassle
-union busting
-lowered school and library funding
-favoring corporations over workers
-totally free healthcare market that screws the little guy
-conviction by media
-control by monied interests
-abstinence only education
-defunding of birth control and bc or sexual health education globally
-influence of Christian religious figures
-violent protesters
-white nationalist terrorists
-gerrymandering
-xenophobia

Here’s a partial list of things embraced by the Democratic Party* that I don’t feel are in the best interests of America:
-fully State controlled health care
-conviction by media
-control by monied interests
-Influence of party insiders
-Bill Clinton
-Bill Clinton
-Bill Clinton
-Actual SJWs who have never existed in the real world
-violent protesters
-Addition of second language as an official federal bilingual thing. Been to Canada. Such a PITA with the language thing.
-Letting union bosses get away with murder. Unions are for the PEOPLE.
-Making ANYone feel guilty for being interested in their own heritage.


In conclusion: yeah, they share some of the same problems re: corruption and influence, but wow are their platforms NOT the same.

So, since we DO live in a two party state, it’s clear which of these parties I’m more likely to support

*or people at large who lean that way

Han Niam said...

@fustian

Re: KKK/Nazis and burning swastika
On this we agree.

Though the only reason they don’t love sunlight right now is that it’s socially unacceptable to be THAT openly racist. And I will keep fighting against anyone who tries to make open racism more acceptable.

Han Niam said...

@MissBliss Thanks for the support! And you’re probably not wrong. Once in a while I find the energy, and I consider it energy well spent.

Han Niam said...

@fustian George Wallace would be just as horrified by the modern American Democratic Party. Only the names have (not) been changed.

A Certain Party said...

It will be interesting to see if the UW changes the name of March Play Circle, a tiny theater in the Memorial Union.

UW-Madison generally handles these things very well.

Travelgrrl said...

Definitely not John Wayne. Born in Iowa, plenty far north to be out of the region where the KKK was active back then. Moved to a ranch in CA as a kid and his family was dirt poor. Was in college briefly on a football scholarship but hurt his shoulder (or similar) and ended up becoming a stuntman extra along with other football buddies; his endurance and strength were noted by John Ford who kept hiring him for small and later, larger parts.

His three wives were Hispanic. One he met in her native country, so she was 'foreign' in a way the KKK would have despised. He was a die hard Republican and likely held views a Democrat like me would find at odds, but he wasn't, from all accounts, a member of fringe groups.

Wayne was a complex guy. He wanted nothing more than to escape on his boat with his toupee off, with a saucy wife and a cold drink, and a few buddies to play poker. An absent father with his older kids, a cheater, but overall, a loyal, kind and steady guy.

When I read blinds about Old Hollywood kiddie diddlers and someone suggests Wayne, I laugh. Not him.

Itttt said...

I present for your consideration one Robert Byrd, longest serving Senator in U.S. history. Lifelong Democrat. Lifelong KKK leader through and through (founded his own chapter!) despite his many public apologies and statements of regret. Filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964!!!

Oh and mentor to one Hillary Rodham Clinton per her statement:

https://youtu.be/ryweuBVJMEA

"In a video uploaded to the State Department’s official YouTube page on June 28, 2010, Clinton commemorated late Sen. Byrd by saying, “Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.”"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics

"When Byrd was 24-years-old, he joined the Klan because he was worried that during World War II, he might have to fight alongside “race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.” Bryd wrote those words in 1944 to Sen. Theodore Bilbo, a staunch segregationist.

While Byrd later renounced his affiliation of the KKK, calling it “the worsts mistake of my life,” the West Virginia Senator also voted “no” against the Civil Rights Act of 1964."


Renounce and call it a mistake all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. This was no Dixiecrat that magically "turned into a Republican", this was a lifelong Democrat who served into the 2000s!!! And from the horse's mouth, the 'mentor' of one Hillary "Superpredator" Rodham Clinton

Itttt said...

It’s time to learn the TRUTH.

Why are Democrats et al. inspiring activist groups to remove and rewrite history re: slavery?
Why are history books painting a different picture than before aka revisionist/revisionism?
Why are teachers following a new false script?
“Republicans/Conservatives are racists”
Learn the term ‘Projection’.
Why are they threatened?

MSM and their handlers have you brainwashed.
They want you controlled.
They want you enslaved.
They want you divided.
They want you dependent!

What has the D party done for the black pop?
What has the R party done for the black pop?
What has POTUS done in 1 year?
What is the net worth of black leaders (Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc.) today?
Why does Pelosi mention MLK 75% of the time in weekly addresses?
MLK was a CONSERVATIVE.
Learn the TRUTH.

These people have created and maintain a modern day slave grip of the black population.
Why do we look at skin color?
DIVISION.
IT’S TIME TO UNITE AND FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM.
TOGETHER, we are STRONG.
APART, we are weak.
PATRIOTS HAVE NO SKIN COLOR

Han Niam said...

@Itttt

Notice how Byrd, a racist, voted against the Civil Rights Act. Much like Republicans (often racist) continue to vote against laws granting protections and rights to people who face systemic discrimination.

Arguing about the Dixiecrats’ position on race half a century ago as a reflection on the modern Democratic Party is rather like claiming the English are actually French because of the Norman conquest in 1066.

Or, more likely, that the English royal family is really German because their royal ancestor came from the area that is now Germany over 200 years ago.

No, wait. Some idiots still do that.

Han Niam said...

Sigh. @ittt, history books are being rewritten to reflect historical realities which were ignored or suppressed as inconvenient and irrelevant by the white men who wrote them.

How can you study slavery if you only have the slave owner’s perspective?

How can you study the immigrant experience if you only have the non-immigrant perspective?

How can you study a war if you only have the information held by one side and no idea what motivated the other/s?

How do you understand how people lived a hundred years ago if you only have the man’s perspective?

How do you learn how utterly awful the Middle Ages were if you only have the perspective of the nobility and church?

You don’t LEARN anything from one-sided history books unless you know they’re one sided and can seek out the other perspectives and historical records.

MLK had views that, today, are considered conservative. He also had views that, today, are considered liberal. America has changed radically since the mid 1960s.

However, I agree that patriots are not limited by skin color. We may, on the other hand, disagree about what constitutes American freedom and how to fight for it.

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