Today's Blind Items
I've heard this before, and allegedly Very Bad Things is loosely based on it to some extent. However, I always thought of it as a Hollywood legend until I recently met someone in the producer's family. When I say family, there is one widow and one child. No other family. None.
A fairly minor producer died within the past month or so. It wasn't really noteworthy for the most part, but there were three or four very happy actors to see him pass. All of the actors are aging, but not George Burns old or anything. In fact, they are still A list at least by reputation. Could they carry a movie OR television show on their own anymore? Probably not. Are they regularly in movies AND television? Yes. See, back in the day there was a party like you could only have in Hollywood's glory days. Martinis, cigars and lots of beautiful women. Well it turns out that one of the beautiful women didn't go home at the end of the night. There was some incident involving either five or six actors. Two have died. Not knowing what to do, these actors got a studio gofer, now our dead producer and told him to get rid of the body and not tell anyone about it or tell anyone where the body was buried. Throughout the remainder of the producer's life, these actors took care of him, but were always afraid he would spill the secret because he was the only one who knew where the body was buried. No body, no case. Now, they are just worried that something will show up in the estate sale and some person will stumble onto a letter or some other evidence hidden in a desk drawer which will come back to haunt them. Maybe that's why one of the actors offered to buy the house with everything in it at a price that is twice what the place is worth. Still waiting to see if it will be accepted, but there won't be an estate sale yet for sure. The actors think they are being careful and that their true motives are unknown. Not at all the case, but the producer's widow is happy to take their money and be done with it. One hint is they have all been in at least one western. Although it could be on television OR in a movie.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 288 of 288I'm not aware of any website that would show anyone's history as a gofer. We might find this out by reading an interview with the person, but it really wouldn't be noted on imdb or other sites, I don't think.
Just a thought about Newman, Redford and McQueen.
McQueen - dead
You didn't get much more A-list than Newman and Redford back in the day...and television COULD be relevant if you count:
Newman - Letterman and Leno
Redford - the Sundance Channel
Just throwing 'em out there!
I've been looking up producers who died in 2007 (from wiki's list of deceased).
Then I searched "gofer producer". The list I got was:
-Ken Wiederhorn (Ken Barnett)
-Robert Justman (who I think is still alive)
-Albert Broccoli (died in 1996)
-Brad Grey (born in '57, still alive- I think)
Gofer's also get referred to as prod.assistant's and other nicer titles (than "gofer").
I'm having fun researching, but I'm not sure I believe this.
Stuart Rosenberg is still possible. Some things say he had a son/widow only, some say son, daughter, 4 granddaughters,& widow. He seems like a real possibility- so I'm trying to find estate info on him.
I think finding the producer is the key to this one, if it is true.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/obituaries/director-with-a-penchant-for-crime-and-prison-dramas/2007/03/28/1174761563197.html
It says survived by wife, son, daughter IN LAW and 4 grandchildren. Does this still qualify Stuart Rosenberg?
I love BI's and love this site. However, this is maybe the BI that finally convinces me that Ent is not who he says he is. See, by telling us this story, Ent may be either violating or getting close to violating the model rules of professional conduct. Maybe not in rule, but in spirit. Also, if the family member told him (and it doesn't expressly say he did) it is a violation of confidentiality. However, from the way the BI is worded, it isn't clear how he found out.
Finally, and the thing that bothers me the most, is that IF Ent is an attorney, then he is an officer of the court. This is a very heavy responsibility. At least it is here in the state where I practice. If he knows something, he needs to go to the police or keep his mouth shut. Like someone said earlier, this could ruin some lives. If it is true, then one woman may already be dead. I know the disclaimer makes it all ok (not defamation) but this is much much heavier than rumors about someone SUPPOSEDLY having sex with a director for roles.
Shan
Because of later on in today's posts, ENT makes a point of saying how clever the writing is on the Christina Aguilera piece...I decided to look at the writing on this one a little differently...
Nowhere in the Blind Item does it say that the estate being bought is the producers.
Let me put in here what I read and how I read it:
Portion of the BI--
"Now, they are just worried that something will show up in the estate sale and some person will stumble onto a letter or some other evidence hidden in a desk drawer which will come back to haunt them. Maybe that's why one of the actors offered to buy the house with everything in it at a price that is twice what the place is worth. Still waiting to see if it will be accepted, but there won't be an estate sale yet for sure. The actors think they are being careful and that their true motives are unknown. Not at all the case, but the producer's widow is happy to take their money and be done with it. "
I see this as THREE SEPARATE THINGS.
The first was
"Now, they are just worried that something will show up in the estate sale and some person will stumble onto a letter or some other evidence hidden in a desk drawer which will come back to haunt them. "
This refers to the producer's estate.
"Maybe that's why one of the actors offered to buy the house with everything in it at a price that is twice what the place is worth. Still waiting to see if it will be accepted, but there won't be an estate sale yet for sure."
The 'house with everything in it' could mean where all the remaining physical evidence is (where it happened), or that the house ORIGINALLY was where the producer lived and then someone else bought it...OR that the evidence was part of something that the owner of THIS estate bought and moved to their home....
And this last part:
" The actors think they are being careful and that their true motives are unknown. Not at all the case, but the producer's widow is happy to take their money and be done with it."
This says to me that they think that because the producer died, his secret died, but oh no! The widow knows and plans to/is okay with extorting them.
Remember, sentences are independent thoughts, and don't always have to go with the one before them...
So maybe Brando's house is where it happened, or Jack knows that Brando bought something that might be a clue....:O
-de, speculatin' and debatin'
Which means that it IS just a rumor Shan, and we're just playing a little Blind Item game of imaginary circumstances. Kind of like fantasy football.
(or even worse, Ent is the widow's child)
*shudder*
~mel
yes! excellent brain storming ppl -and to the nay sayers who are getting frustrated - pls go and take a time out!
geez..
Ooooooh Mel, you just thickened the plot right up!!!
Durden Smith did not even come to the US until the 70s.
He's not the producer.
"Also, if the family member told him (and it doesn't expressly say he did) it is a violation of confidentiality."
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Wrong.
It is only a violation if the widow is Ent's client, which she is not.
I refuse to categorize the director of "Cool Hand Luke" as minor.
Ok, I no nothing about the movie or anything, but if it was loosly based on this supposed real event, wouldn't someone involved in the incident be involved in creating the movie or whatever? Otherwise how could the movie be based on it? Unless it's a rumor that's been around that long, in which case, it seems that someone would have found out by now if it's that old and an actual movie was kind of based on it. ???
Anon 10:40 - I wondered the same thing, but someone else reminded me that EL said the rumor had been going around for some time. The writer of the script must have heard it and wrote his own version loosely based on the story.
for some reason, james coburn's face popped into my mind. he always seemed like a shady character.
10:11- I agreed- and then I re-read the vice. It says "fairly minor". Now I still am not sold that it's him, but I think Spielburg, Scorsesi, those kind of guys would be considered major. Cool Hand Luke, Amityville--- I could see him being considered "fairly minor".
Benjamin (Bob) Clark (A Christmas Story)died in a car accident recently. With his son. He left behind a widow and a son. Since ENT made such on NO OTHER family, this struck me as odd. Must do some research!
Nevermind Bob Clark- he was divorced, and lived in a condo. Dang it.
THose that are stating that this is some kind of violation of ENT's professional integrity have hit the answer to this BI! IT's not real! This is totally made up. Think about it! Who in their right mind would post this kind of info on their blog if it were true?! The cold case detectives in LA would recognize this scenario and be contacting ENT and what would he say? Not to mention, the majority of the men supposedly involved in this are still living and would get wind of it. Since when is a lawyer willing to throw himself in front of a train to entertain people in a blog? Jesus - get a grain people. Have you read his "disclaimer"? I am done with this site -- Not only do you have to try to figure out the whodunits, you first have to determine if it's real or not. Total BS!
Amen.
Here's another conspiracy for you conspiracy theorists out there: I think Tracee is Hez! Whoo-hoo!
Anon 11:51 - there wouldn't be a cold case file on something that was never reported to the police.
Cold case detectives? You know how many "cold cases" like this there are in LA?
As for actors who "seem nice enough", they seldom are -- one in particular already mentioned. And actors who "seem" rude/obnoxious (even to the press) are often nice people in RL.
Are you saying such a scenario is out of the question? In the over 100 years of Hollywood history, there have been multiple scandals involving murders or possible murders that were covered up for high profile stars. Look at the shooting of the guy who played Superman. The Fatty Arbuckle scandal. The husband of Jean Harlow (Paul Bern) who supposedly committed suicide. It does not seem far-fetched to me that that this could have happened. Indeed, it probably did.
Look at Peter R. Simpson, minor producer who nevertheless managed to make quite a lot of money on shclock such as Prom Nigh
I cannot find anything on his personal life or work history, but he does seem interesting. He died in early June.
Oh, I did find one child, Brock, but nothing else. (that should have read "Prom NIGHT")
Twisted sister - There might be a cold case involving a missing person but even if there isn't, I know a couple of detectives that this would be of serious interest to --
to anon 11:51
"get a grain people" rice or cereal?
There may or may not have been a crime committed here. The woman could have ODed or drowned in a pool, in which case the actors couldn't be charged with very much, even if they disposed of the body - and most likely only the flunky would did the dirty work would get a slap on the wrist.
The woman's body could have been found later, after all connections to the actors or the scene had disappeared. And if there were elevated drugs in her system, the cops would write it off.
Whether he is a lawyer or not, Ent is passing on a rumour, not stating something he knows as fact. Suppose he were to go to the police with this vague, unsubstantiated, story. You think they'd give a damn? Real life isn't like Cold Case, folks. The authorities don't care about rumours, they need a bloody dress, photos, letters - then they might look into it, MIGHT given that it is so old.
Get your collective heads out of your Law & Order fantasies. Flimsy stories corrupted by years of retelling don't set off alarms through the legal system.
plotterist
anon @12:22 I think you should pursue that. I work in the legal profession as well (tho IANAL) and if somebody came to me with this kind of info, I would def do everything in my power to make sure this came to the attention of the proper authorities. If nothing else, someone should question EL to see if this is a hoax or not. Even if EL claims it's a hoax, it is too serious to just drop until authorities check some facts to make sure.
Burt Reynolds has one rumoured murder on his record already. I think it was while he was filming Cat Dancing that a crew member was found dead and the studio hustled together an alibi for Burt.
plotterist
I think Ishtar was one of the most horrible "crimes" to come out of Hollywood.
I just found Peter R. Simpson's obit in the Toronto Star and he was definitely a party guy in Hollywood back in the day. And, he liked to tell stories. No mention of a child but they did quote a Brother. I don't know if he was still alive.
Check out: www.thestar/article/222994
cs
anon @ 12:32-
Whether he is a lawyer or not, Ent is passing on a rumour, not stating something he knows as fact.
Ent is claiming he got the info from people who are not only in a position to know, but whose own self interest would be damaged by the facts getting out. This is potenntially credible information if the BI is true. Authorities would be very interested in questioning the family member, if he/she actually exists.
Fine, plotterist, but how do you account for the fact that this lawyer is claiming to know the identities, ages, and films these actors were in such that he can provide clues for all to guess? So what is the point - EL is taking a long-standing rumor and making up actors to fit, and now all of these readers are wracking their brains researching who they are? Either say I am a lawyer and I'm making this up, see if you can guess who I am alluding to, or he is claiming to really know something, in which case, yeah, it is against the law to keep it from the authorities, esp. as an officer of the court. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!
EL should just say, here's a rumor, and here are the players I am guessing are involved - can you guess who I am thinking of?
(should be "potentially" above)
No mention of a child but they did quote a Brother. I don't know if he was still alive.
cs
12:38 PM
One child named Brock. Died June 5, 2007. You checked his OBIT.
Sasha -
If someone told you this old creaky story you would obsessively harass law enforcement to investigate?
You would get yourself a reputation as a nutter, tout suite.
Detectives aren't bored and waiting breathlessly for your dirty gossip, ya know.
How do you know this wasn't investigated at the time? Does the BI say that specifically? No.
Call Gil Grissom instead. He's the kind of cop who pays attention to all kinds of sordid confabulations reported by the righteously indignant.
12:44
I'm sorry, I was unclear. I don't know if the BROTHER is still alive. The quote from the brother could be old in the obit. If the brother is still alive, then Peter R. Simpson has more family and gets ruled out, right?
If someone told you this old creaky story you would obsessively harass law enforcement to investigate?
No, but if someone came to me and said MY HUSBAND or MY FATHER told me this story, I would have to take it seriously. They would have not prurient interest in telling such a tale- indeed it could ruin their family members reputation, thus making the story more credible. Of course, THEY could be nutter, but it is such a serious situation that authorities should get involved if only to debunk it.
12:50 PM , sorry I misread you. Of course, having a brother would rule him out.
Ent offers an awful lot of "insider" info. as fact: These actors took care of the recently deceased producer; two are dead; they are worried that the house will hold clues to reveal their involvement; one has offered to buy the house at double the price and the widow accepted, etc. He claims to know the group of actors and all this info.
Say this site is fake, have fun with it and guess who the blogger is making up as the actors/producer OR believe it's a real story told by a real lawyer with real actors that need to be guessed, but realize EL is obstructing justice and withholding evidence that he knows about a murder, no matter how old it is.
I agree, let's get real, but maybe the blogger should stop with the lawyer personality because it doesn't work and isn't believable in the context of this blog. Have him admit he was trying to cover his identity but really he is a former publicist, or something.
To 12:42 -
It's not that this BI is made up - it's that it has probably happened dozens of times over the last century of movie madness. Young girl, enamoured of famous men, goes to wild party and ends up dead from killer drugs or lack of attention. Body gets moved to less incriminating environs. Perhaps a large anonymous donation for the funeral shows up through SAG, but the party boys remain unblemished.
The image that makes this BI for me is the flurry of phone calls that must have gone out to lawyers on how best to deal with a dead body - all those manly men crying and screaming into the phone. You just KNOW they were acting like beheaded chickens.
Exactly 1:09. You know this has happened numerous times, what with all the wild parties mixing impressionable starstruck young girls with drugs and alcohol. Even if the girl died from an overdose, the fact that there is a dead girl at a party with big stars would set in motion a massive, ongoing cover-up, which as the old saying goes, is often worse than the crime.
Exactly 1:09. You know this has happened numerous times, what with all the wild parties mixing impressionable starstruck young girls with drugs and alcohol. Even if the girl died from an overdose, the fact that there is a dead girl at a party with big stars would set in motion a massive, ongoing cover-up, which as the old saying goes, is often worse than the crime.
sorry for the double post.
I think Hez is the widow. I think that explains her online bitterness. Hehehehe...
That being said, I'm in the camp that thinks there is no way the author of this site is an attorney. Personally, I think "Ent" is a woman (the posts are way too catty and feminine). ALso, now that everything with Paris/Lindsay/Nicole/Britney is exploding legally, there has been no legal commentary. Really? Wow, we have an anomaly here... A name dropping, Beverly Hills attorney that can comment about legal situations without the slightest legalese. Nothing but catty Paris comments about jailhouse fashion.
Wait, is there a Blind item reveal in my post?
LOL, 1:26, but careful: You are now officially a "hater," "loser," and, of course, a "troll" and you will soon be answered with a short, bitchy response telling you to "STFU" and stop spoiling everyone else's fun!
I think someone just finished watching Hollywoodland and Very Bad Things. I will give credit, though, this is a much more provacative and cleverly written BI than the innuendos and rumors that have been posted recently.
Anon 1:26, STFU. Ur a hater, loser and of course a troll. Why can't you just enjoy the BI? Why must you spoil EVERYTHING! Jesssus H. Christ!
oh! lol!
Perhaps the real reason Jack had Brandos house demolished, is that this is "where the body is buried"
And you know that's not the only "skeleton" hanging around the Brando homestead!
ENT: "This lady told me that her husband told her before he died that some A-List movie stars killed a girl at a party!"
POLICE: "God! When?"
ENT: "Back in the 1960's"
POLICE: "Ummmmm...okay! Did she say when in the 1960's?"
ENT: "No"
POLICE: "You don't know the date of the alleged crime?"
ENT: "No"
POLICE: "Do you know who the alleged victim was?"
ENT: "No"
POLICE: "Any letters, papers...signed documents or recordings that would prove this alleged crime?"
ENT: "No"
POLICE: "Any proof at all?"
ENT: "Well, the lady seemed VERY HONEST when she told me about it....."
ENT isn't covering up anything, you guys. Merely passing on info he or someone else heard.
anon 1:26 ur boring and ur a loser. just because Hez has a sense of humor you think shes bitter? R u related to Perez or Paris Hilton. i think I see a family resemblance.
Sorry cupcake...u were trying to be funny and it wasn't. I would take Hez's comments over ur's anyday. tootles.
HezFan 2:37
Chill out, I took that comment as more of a tounge and cheek comment relating to all of the conspiracy theories about Hez being involved in every aspect of the site, rather than a personal attack. I guess you proved the next poster right with your gut reaction put down response.
Chill out girl...2:49
are you the mediator for this blog? Let's all sing Kumbayah and hold hands.
brendalove, in my case I would call up a friend of mine who is a detective. He's probably ask me if I thought the story was credible, and I would answer yes or no depending on my personal knowledge of the person, ie whether this person is known to be a kook or a serious person. Of course, if I knew the person was a kook, I wouldn't call in the first place. ;0
If I didn't know the person,I doubt they would share such a story with me. That is my whole point here. If Ent thinks the story is credible based on the persons relation to the producer, and his own personal observation of the story teller, then he has an obligation to make it know to authorities.
(gee, proof reading is good.)
"He'd" probably and make it "known"
Hold it now! Could this be the real story behind Elizabeth Short? That happened in the 1940s...just a guess...
KIA
To Anon 10:00 AM (From a long time ago)
Confidentiality does not just apply ONLY to actual clients. It also applies to someone who tells you something in confidence BECAUSE you are an attorney. So you do not have to have an official attorney/client relationship. It could be someone seeking a counseltation and then decides not to hire you. It could be someone who tells you something because they know you will keep it quiet (not to say lawyers are like priests, but for many people, they are--I've had many friends come to me and ask me something or confide in me when there is not a traditional attorney/client relationship). Also, the confidentiality rule applies if someone THINKS you are their attorney.
You are correct in saying that it applies to a client, but it applies to many, many more situations. It isn't that simple.
Shan
I mean "consultation."
Shan
Shan, Thank you for the explanation. I defer to your greater knowledge.
That being said, I doubt that this blogger is actually a lawyer and I think he/she made up this BI.
However, it has been fun, doncha think?
:)
Y'all want some juicy old time Hollywood dirt, read "Hollywood Babylon," by Kenneth Anger.
If he is an attorney, and the people involved get wind of this blog post, what are they going to be able to do about it without revealing the truth behind the whole sordid mess?
Tabloid Prodigy has a few good scoops in it, too.
Brenda Love:
How about this:
ENT: A woman told me in confidence that her husband took part in covering up a murder in the 1960's. She said he agreed to help hide it because several big movie stars were involved, and he was in the business. He died recently, and she said one of the stars is so afraid that there might be evidence in her house that she sold it to him, contents and all, for twice its value.
POLICE: Do you know the name of the victim or any details of the crime?
ENT: She just told me it happened at a Hollywood party in the 60's with this group of actors and they enlisted her husband to cover it up.
POLICE: OK, I am going to need her name and contact information, and any other information she told you about the actors involved, including the location of the house.
ENT: Her name is "X", she was married to the producer "Y" who just died, and they lived "Address."
POLICE: And the actors?
ENT: Two of them are dead, "A" and "B". The others are "C," "D," and "E." "E" is the one who just bought the house.
POLICE: Really? I loved "D" in that western, "Movie title." And the others, they still work a lot. They are aging, but they aren't, you know, OLD, like Bob Hope or something. Anyway, how do I know this is for real?
ENT: She told me in confidence, knowing I am a lawyer and could tell her if she could be in trouble. I told her she should take it to you guys, but she said she didn't want her life disrupted. I know I am betraying her trust, but I don't feel right morally and as an attorney knowing this information and withholding it. Maybe the victim has a family that loved her and wants to know what happened.
POLICE: This will be REALLY big, if it turns out to be something. Based on what you've told me, I have probable cause to get a search warrant on the house. And it won't be a problem to talk to her, work out a deal with her and get her to spill the beans of what she knows, then we question the actors. It shouldn't be hard with the wife's help to narrow down the time field and figure out if any young women were reported missing at that time.
ENT: Thanks, officer. Call me if you need me.
POLICE: It took guts to do what you did, kid. Someone else might have, I don't know, posted it as a blind item on a blog or something. Crazy bloggers!
One other quick point... and yeah, it's splitting hairs, but still should be made - at no point did the word "MURDER" appear in the BI. That really does make a world of difference -
What apparently occurred, (at least according to the BI) is an accidental death - whether by overdose, (narcotic or alcoholic), or even that wonderful catch all phrase, misadventure (ie slip and fall, etc).
Regardless, legally, that *IS NOT MURDER*, however would probably be classified as homicide.
And yes, there is a difference. Add to that, its compounded by criminal concealment of the cause/location and corpse and you're looking at a serious barrel o'stink should it be true, no matter who was involved.
However, I believe the distinction between calling it a murder and a homicide should be made.
what about christopher walken?
i always thought it was weird that he and robert wagner were on the boat the night natalie wood died and haven't really spoken about it.
I am new at this so don't judge me too harshly. :-)
I thought I would throw out a few random fresh thoughts that might help someone solve this BI. We seem to be stuck on the same actors.
It is something to do other than hear about Paris even if it is made up. :-)
1. Most actors who worked or began their career in the 50's, 60's, and in the 70's have had at least bit parts in movie or TV westerns. Ent did not say the actors in question had leading roles in westerns, nor was it said that the actors were A list at the time they were in the westerns or at the time of the death of the woman. There are lots of actors who haven't been mentioned that could be possiblies. What about Ernest Borgnine, Robert Conrad, William Holden, Robert Mitchum, Henry Fonda, Jack Palance, Lorne Greene, Dan Blocker, and etc. ?
2. There have been other books and movies (some made for TV) that are on this theme. One that comes to mind is blockbuster "Celebrity" by Tommy Thompson. Three childhood friends get into a similar sticky situation on graduation night. This ruins their friendship and LATER all of them become famous and there are repercussions. This TV mini series premiered in 1984. Of course the book was written earlier.
My point was variations on this BI theme have been around. They could be urban legend or rumors of this incident could have been floating around for awhile inspiring more than one movie and/or book.
While googling to refresh my memory on the details of "Celebrity", I found Thomas Thompson's filmography on IMDb to be quite interesting.
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0860775/
It reads like a who's who of TV westerns from the 50's and 60's, plus others. Here are a few:
Cattle King
Gunsmoke
Bonanaza
Rawhide
The High Chaparral
The Rifleman
The Virginian
(also reminded me of Big Valley)
I am not saying Thompson had anything to do with this BI. He died in 1993. But I will be willing to bet some of the actors in question were in some these movies and series in which Thompson was associated. At the very least googling the actors who starred, guest starred, or had bit parts in these series will provide some new gene pools to research.
Interesting Note: It has been said that Thompson loosely based the Kleber Cantrell character in "Celebrity" on himself. Another interesting coincidence, Ned Beatty was in "Celebrity".
3.) I find the phrase "Hollywood's glory days" to be almost useless as a clue after googling. It is tossed about so often on blogs that it could mean any time from the 1930's until last year. ;-)
Ent will have to clarify his definition of glory days for this to be helpful to me.
I found numerous references to the glory days of movie making ending after the 1970's. Also martini's, cigars, and wife swapping "Key" parties were popular in middle America throughout the 1970's; and we all know the trends follow Hollywood. So I don't think this decade can be ruled out.
4.)With my vast experience in profiling, gained from watching Court TV ;-) ;-) , I am expecting the actors involved, as well as the producer, to have been young at the time of the incident. I am guessing most were in their twenties with maybe one or two in their thirties.
A group of middle-aged, well established, A-list actors getting involved in what amounts to a gang type situation (if she was the only woman still there), letting the situation get out of control enough to result in death, and then panicing and calling in a gofer to clean up the mess doesn't sound plausible to me. Someone would have been screaming for their attorney.
If the actors were well established A-listers at the time, wouldn't the more plausible scenerio have been one A-list actor and 5 or 6 women? ;-)
I think the more likely scenario would be 5 or 6 young actors drunk on their first fifteen minutes of fame as well as martini's. One or two might have been the leaders,
newly A-listed stars. The others probably still clawing their way off the B-list.
5.)The woman appears to have been someone who did not cause a stir when she went missing. Maybe a prostitute or runaway ?
Maybe these ramblings will help someone solve the BI, if it is real.
KIA - No way could it be Black Dahlia. Her body was found and the BI states this woman's body hasn't been found ("...he was the only one who knew where the body was buried. No body, no case.")
Ugh 6:14, where are your cops from? Have you ever actually met anybody from LAPD? Not to mention if Ent went right to the cops after this family member told him this piece of information, you can kiss part of his income goodbye. I'm not saying blogging about it was a great idea (juicy as it is), but then again it wasn't really Ent's place to go to the cops, was it? Maybe it's his/her place to encourage the family to, even if they did, and even if the LOOOOONG shot it got investigated, who knows what the family would say? If they've kept the secret this long, I can imagine they would deny it ever happening as to not tarnish the name of their dead husband/father... to make sure they're kept secure the rest of their lives from these actors... to make sure these actors don't send people after them or their lives aren't put in danger if they tell...
I think it's real easy for you people to sit here and preach Ent (or the family) should do the right thing and tell when you don't really know what the consequences of that action might be.
And after this morning’s read (and culling out the nonsense that does not relate to discovery of the BI but only hammering Ent for writing) I think the following :
Dead actor possibilities: Michael Landon, Steve McQueen
Still alive actor possibilities: Burt Reynolds, Christopher Walken, James Garner, James Caan, Ned Beatty
What happened to the girl: Definitely not a murder. Possibly a drug/alcohol overdose. Definitely an accidental death. It could probably have been prevented but everyone was partying. Agree with most recent comments at 1:09 and 1:20.
The producer: Stuart Rosenberg still rings. The statement about survived by only one wife and child may indicate that nobody else was mentioned in the will and therefore have no say in what happens to the property
The property: Nothing damaging on site that anyone knows about such as DNA or body buried. Perhaps letters and notes nobody knows about and nothing more.
I don’t think this one is in Hollywood Babylon although I read it long ago. And I agree that the actors were young at the time of the incident, young as in no older than 30’s.
Just more ramblings from another interested party……
Ok. So let me get this straight.
-Ent's website starts out with some good, yet fairly unprovable BI's
-Ent starts up this whole ZX thing
-ZX is revealed as DS
-No proof is given
-More people start doubting the validity of the site
-People begin questioning and asking for proof on DS
-Conspiracy theories over WHO ent is
-People start b*tching about the BI's being lame, no proof on DS, Hez, Ent.....
-Ent never addresses it (coincedentally Hez stops posting so much)
THEN-
-Ent comes up with the biggest and baddest Blind ever
-Ent decides to spend the next week updating us on all the previous posts
OUT OF THE BLUE?
Ladies- I could post somewhere that last week a young starlet, known mainly for music, was seen been carried out of the back of a famous NYC hotspot. Little do people know it wasn't the booze, or the mountains of coke that made her unable to walk- she wasn't able to, ummm, handle taking something where most women won't. Her friends had to cover her, and quickly remove her. Believe me- you'd be SHOCKED!
EVERYONE would believe it, and be looking for which starlet was partying in NYC last week.
Ent took an URBAN legend, and put it out there to make his (her) readers happy. So let's all chill out a little. I love to read this site. I research Blind's that peek my interest. But just like I read Agatha Christie novels, thinking one of these times I'll guess the culprit before the ending- it won't happen. Enjoy the site for what it is. Ignore the meanies, and enjoy the others who like juicy Hollywood gossip like you do... even when it's fiction.
PS- Next week's blind item:
Quite a few years ago a presidential aide was called in the middle of the night to sneak in and slip pills to a famous starlet. Why? Because she was coming out with her affair with the president, and HIS BROTHER!! Aide slipped in quietly, and got said actress some pills she was well known for indulging in. The whole thing was played off as a suicide/accidental OD. Now the truth may come out because of an item up for auction from her estate.
Have a great day and a great weekend everyone!
Ent took an URBAN legend, and put it out there to make his (her) readers happy
If that is the case, he/she should not have claimed to have heard the info from people who are in a position to know. An urban legend comes from "a friend of a friend of a friend" This came from someone, apparently, who would gain nothing by having it out there.
And Nicole Richie eats regularly, and OJ is innocent. Ent said he'd heard about it and thought it was a Hollywood legend. He can pretend he suddenly got some info to prove it. Just like I have info to prove the starlet and the president BI above is true.
7:38- this came from Ent. He isn't god, and can lie if he wants to.
That's just fine if ENT is making this up, but he does CLAIM in the BI that he spoke to someone in the family:
"However, I always thought of it as a Hollywood legend until I recently met someone in the producer's family. When I say family, there is one widow and one child. No other family. None."
IN OTHER WORDS, he recently met and presumably got this inside info - the actors' names, the house sold for double the value with contents inside, etc. - from either the WIDOW or THE CHILD. Saying "the Child" makes it sound like a younger person, and therefore it is probably the widow.
"Ent" is claiming to be a lawyer who recently found all of this out from either the widow or the producer's child. THAT is significant, if true, and he should go to the authorities. We know essentially that it isn't true, so this is just a game of "guess who Ent made up as the actors."
It takes nerve to keep claiming to be a lawyer, a professional, who is disclosing confidential information, esp. about abuse and murder, and some people believe it as true. Ent should stick to blinds like yesterday (which blonde singer is a bitch to others, etc.) or else change his identity, because someone is going to blow his cover pretty soon since it is so ridiculous AND unethical.
WHo cares, just STOP saying you are a lawyer. As an lawyer in the U.S., I am sick of it, just as a doctor would be offended by a fake doctor blogging about salacious and personal medical info. about his celebrity patients - info. that some CLUELESS people actually believe and spread as a fact.
Yeah, can you get in trouble for impersonating an attorney on the internet? (You can't impersonate one in real life). Or does ENT's disclaimer protect him from that? I mean this guy is making up rumors that real actors were involved in covering up a murder and allowing people to believe that is is true, coming from this insider attorney. It doesn't seem right, somehow - will he reveal the actual names he made up and put real faces on this "rumor?" I'd be pretty pissed if I was one of the actors still working today.
It's also funny how hypocritical it all is. If someone questions whether it is real, people attack and say how sad to be so skeptical and how rude, etc., but then when you question the BI like this one, you get people saying, Grow up, of course Ent is just passing along a rumor for our enjoyment! It's so frustratingly hypocritical (just as now if you ask about ZX/DS they say, get over it! Whereas before if you questioned anything about her, they claimed love and begged her to not go away because of the doubters and meanies! IS everyone on here in cahoots with the blog writer or is it mostly the blog writer commenting or what?
Anon@10:11 pm - If Ent went to the cops to tell this secret he would lose some of his income in the process? Are you kidding? OK, but blogging about everyone's intensely personal and confidential secrets is not flirting with him losing his career, if he is real? Give me a break! And if he's worried about being the victim of the big bad actors' revenge, would he blab it all over a gossip blog site?
People, if this were true, the widow would be questioned with Ent as the witness, she could blab in exchange for a deal, and provide the details to figure out the victim, and there would be probable cause to search the house and investigate the actors. Are you telling me that there's nothing to be done, if this is true? How sad if that was the case!
It would be great if some of you could just go out and play for awhile. The remainder of us will just play in here, OK? Just lighten up and have some fun with this. It's an ENTERTAINMENT site. It's entertaining! That's all.
Now have fun everyone! (Or step off the caffeine, or don't get on the internet until the drugs kick in, or ... you know what I mean!)
Ok, sorry. Actually, I do have things I have to do. Why don't you switch the personality to something other than a lawyer, that might help with the ones taking issue.
possibility to the naysayers:
it is well known by all on this blog that ent attends a lot of premiers and parties, dines at some of the "hot spots" (occasionally) and has plenty of friends and aquaintences (sp?) in the industry.
that being said, there are ALWAYS these types of rumors floating about, an all walks of life. let us say the conversation went like this:
ent: you know i heard so and so just died. is that strange rumor i've heard really about him?
friend: its not a rumor! this is what i heard....
not as glamorous as some of the scenarios spun here (twisted, i instantly thought the fatty arbuckle thing, too), but, lawyer or not, there's no real information to pass on to authorites. perhaps there was no CRIME. perhaps it was already investigated. hey, my car window was just busted out by the next door neighbor's kid, in order to steal MY kid's ipod. we all know who did it. but i didn't witness it. therefore, its heresay.
all you six dozen lawyers who are posting here SURELY know the meaning of "HERESAY", don't you????
CHRIST IN A SIDECAR, PEOPLE! go post on your smart people/lawyerly sites and let us play our guessing games!
the bunny is getting pissed off!!!
"CHRIST IN A SIDECAR..."
Jesus! Who's driving?
While I'll concede that Ent's testimony wouldn't be allowed in a court of law, it is certainly enough probable cause for the police to investigate (assuming it wasn't investigated in the first place). Ent said he had heard this as a rumor for a while, but it was confirmed when he met the producer's family. That was the point the lawyers above were trying to make.
That being said, I'm with you. This is a juicy story and, true or not, it was created with certain people in mind. It certainly reads like a cross between Hollywoodland and the Black Dahlia. Nothing better than a good murder mystery.
Producer - Bob Clark - died in a Pacific Palisades car crash Apr. 7/07 (born 1939)
I didn't read through all of the comments b/c there are so many, but doesn't this whole scenario seem strikingly similar to anyone old enough to remember the plot of the movie "Ghost Story" from the early 80's with Fred Astaire, John Houseman, Douglas Fairbanks, Jr., etc. It was the same exact situation: a group of rowdy guys who accidentally kill a seemingly promiscuous woman and then covering up the crime for years and years. In the movie, the ghost of the woman came back to haunt each elderly man. Just saying...
uh, no.
Uh no, what?
Seriously, Bionic Bunny and anyone else, rent the movie "Ghost Story" and it is this blind item.
There are several older movies around with a theme like this BI.
However, it remains to be seen whether the BI is based on one of those films or whether those films are based on this BI.
I think this BI is an urban legend around Hollywood. But that doesn't mean it is or isn't true.
I don't think enough info can be revealed here to satisfy my curiousity on this one. I seriously doubt the producer's widow will make a YouTube video.
I wonder if I could get that show that traces the orgins of urban legends interested ?
My little inquiring mind wants to know.This more interesting than the usual.
For me it is a bit premature to be discussing moral and legal issues. So I'll leave others to get their freak on with that. Enjoy
This blind item is from Ted Casablancas at the awful truth not from ENT.
To me it sounds like it could have happened. But I suppose we'll never know!
7:18, If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Michael Landon in "I Was A Teenage Werewolf"? I think that might have been his only movie.
Even though this was posted as a blind item over a year ago, it's been bugging me...has it been revealed?
I wonder if it could have anything to do with Jean Spangler, the showgirl who disappeared and was never seen again? Kirk Douglas accidentally and suspiciously implicated himself in the crime and at the time he was an up and coming star....
http://www.geocities.com/welkerlots/jean.htm
"The vanishing of Hollywood showgirl Jean Spangler in 1949 left behind more questions than there would ever be answers for. Born in Seattle in 1923, Spangler graduated from Franklin High School in Los Angeles in 1941, and soon afterwards landed work as a model with a local clothing firm. Later, as a dancer with both the Earl Carroll Theatre and Florentine Gardens, she also appeared as a bit player and background extra in films and on television. Now, over 50 years later, there are those who still wonder whether then up-and-coming actor Kirk Douglas told police everything he knew about meeting the attractive beauty on the set of his film, Young Man with a Horn?"
"But Douglas, on vacation in Palm Springs at the time of the disappearance, aroused the suspicions of authorities by contacting them before they even had a chance to contact him first. A steadfast denial by Douglas and his attorney that he never knew Jean Spangler, was met with outrage by Jean's family. Florence, Jean's mother, adamantly remembered Douglas picking Jean up at the apartment on two seperate occasions"
Just a thought...
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