Today's Blind Items - The Girl - A Reader Blind Item
This girl was only around thirteen at the time. And here was M, a madam her mother's age, selling her very young body for money. The madam knew damn well she was this tender age and that's why she wanted her as a star attraction in her business. Certain clients of hers paid a lot for a girl nobody in their right mind thought was anywhere near adult. There were young women around who were eighteen and older and may have looked a lot younger. But some rich clients wanted the real taboo thing.
M would get caught in her career by an LAPD vice detective who'd also nabbed most of her primary competitors over the years. The madams had clients in common also. They could be controlling over their girls, but if a man had enough money then he was free to be a patron of whoever he chose. Madam Alex is now recognized as the most successful and organized and connected of these pre-Heidi Fleiss women who ran LA's sex market. Unlike Heidi in later years, who often acted like a rock star, the old school madams usually kept their mouths shut and their profiles low, knowing silence was an advantage. The clients with such highly illegal interests did not want their tastes broadcast for the entire world to know about. Like paying for sex with a child.
The girl knew a few famous people in her life. Her boyfriend had a rock star for a dad, R. And R's girlfriend at the time was a rock star herself. F, the female rock star, found out that R had been with the girl many times. Not as a client, but yet another much older male who'd abused this kid and would soon throw her away. It wasn't the first time he pulled something like this. Or the last. And F didn't get angry with her, she was very concerned about how this affected the girl. After all, R was well over thirty. F had tried to protect the girl, hiding drugs from her and R's son in the house so that they couldn't get at them. Not all adults took such precautions.
The girl's teenaged boyfriend discovered what was going on between her and his dad and was terribly upset. R could have any adult woman he wanted and here he was acting like a person with no boundaries at all. F told the girl in a heart to heart conversation that she was in too deep, that when she was the same age she played child's games, not taken crazy risks like the girl was now into. And even one of R's ex-wives soon told the girl the same thing. R eventually stopped being in the girl's life and later on got involved with someone else very young directly connected to S, his bandmate he was often at odds with.
R's life ended a few years later, although how he made it past 27, when so many rock stars before and since had died, was some kind of a fluke. He was one of the wildest in his drug based lifestyle. And he had scum around him. Awful people. A celebrity said once if those people had tried to enter S's life in the same way it would never have happened and that Y, a rising young star who died tragically, would still be alive today.
M, The madam:
R, Male rock star:
F, Female rock star:
S, The bandmate:
Y, Young star:
M would get caught in her career by an LAPD vice detective who'd also nabbed most of her primary competitors over the years. The madams had clients in common also. They could be controlling over their girls, but if a man had enough money then he was free to be a patron of whoever he chose. Madam Alex is now recognized as the most successful and organized and connected of these pre-Heidi Fleiss women who ran LA's sex market. Unlike Heidi in later years, who often acted like a rock star, the old school madams usually kept their mouths shut and their profiles low, knowing silence was an advantage. The clients with such highly illegal interests did not want their tastes broadcast for the entire world to know about. Like paying for sex with a child.
The girl knew a few famous people in her life. Her boyfriend had a rock star for a dad, R. And R's girlfriend at the time was a rock star herself. F, the female rock star, found out that R had been with the girl many times. Not as a client, but yet another much older male who'd abused this kid and would soon throw her away. It wasn't the first time he pulled something like this. Or the last. And F didn't get angry with her, she was very concerned about how this affected the girl. After all, R was well over thirty. F had tried to protect the girl, hiding drugs from her and R's son in the house so that they couldn't get at them. Not all adults took such precautions.
The girl's teenaged boyfriend discovered what was going on between her and his dad and was terribly upset. R could have any adult woman he wanted and here he was acting like a person with no boundaries at all. F told the girl in a heart to heart conversation that she was in too deep, that when she was the same age she played child's games, not taken crazy risks like the girl was now into. And even one of R's ex-wives soon told the girl the same thing. R eventually stopped being in the girl's life and later on got involved with someone else very young directly connected to S, his bandmate he was often at odds with.
R's life ended a few years later, although how he made it past 27, when so many rock stars before and since had died, was some kind of a fluke. He was one of the wildest in his drug based lifestyle. And he had scum around him. Awful people. A celebrity said once if those people had tried to enter S's life in the same way it would never have happened and that Y, a rising young star who died tragically, would still be alive today.
M, The madam:
R, Male rock star:
F, Female rock star:
S, The bandmate:
Y, Young star:
50 comments:
You do ask the readers who send these in to verify what they wrote with actual names and places don't you Entern?
Obviously R made it well past 27 if he had a kid old enough to be out dating.
Sandybrook, think it is meant to be the 27 club.
R= John Bonham
S= Jimmy Page
John Lennon
Yoko
McCartney
Sid Vicious
I understand that Annie, it's somebody who had a teenaged kid or so around the late 1980s who was a rock star\hard partier during the 70s (which most were) when he was in his 20s and he died shortly after all this I guess early 90s.
Greg Allman
Cher
Duane Allman
Savannah
The madam might be Jody "Babydoll" Gibson and the musician might be Steve Jones of The Sex Pistols. He was found in her little black book after her arrest in 1999.
Never mind on Steve Jones... not dead.
@Audie: Yoko was always cool with where ever John stuck his prick, as long as they weren't after her part of the assets.
I messed up the listing on the Allman Bros one.
Greg Allman
Cher
Warren Haynes
Duane Allman or Savannah
R = Dennis Wilson
F = Christine McVie
S = Mike Love
Y = Sharon Tate
The Manson Family lived at Dennis Wilson's place for a while before the murder spree. The other Beach Boys hated Manson. Dennis Wilson later married Mike Love's teenage daughter -- Love was his first cousin! He died not long after marrying her. Don't know who the madam would be.
R - Dennis Wilson
F - Christine McVie
B - Mike Love
Y - Sharon Tate?
John Lennon had only one ex-wife, Cynthia.
Did John Bonham live in LA?
Nevermind. It doesn’t look like Bonham had more than one wife.
Elanor Roosevelt
JFK
Jackie O
RFK
Mary Jo Kopechne
Good call on Beach Boys/Tate.
m nailed it. Good work!
Yup
R = Dennis Wilson
F = Christine McVie
S = Mike Love (Dennis married his daughter)
Y = Sharon Tate (Dennis was involved with Charles Manson)
The son, is not Dennis' biological son but his stepson Scott Wilson.
This was one of the best, yet saddest blinds ever. Well done Mystery Reader.
@m: +1,000,000,000...
Reader blind, didn't waste my time.
The California primary is getting closer.... getting to be time for the Don Henley reveal / suit.
Yes!
I'm so lost - is Y the same person as "the girl"?
Undercover_LBD I have the same confusion. :-)
I read it over a few times trying to see if the two are one and the same, but I am still confused.
So this all matches up but we still need to know the
13yo girl-?
M-Madam?
R = Dennis Wilson
F = Christine McVie
S = Mike Love (Dennis married his daughter)
Y = Sharon Tate (Dennis was involved with Charles Manson)
Dennis Wilson has no sons who were of dating age by the time he died.
Madam is Madam Alex, the girl is Sharon Tate.
From this bl I assume Manson killed* Tate because Dennis loved her. That would be something Dennis would have to carry to his grave. Otherwise, he would have to out himself as a child molestor.
Sharon Tate is born and raised in Texas, and then her family moved to Italy when she was in high school. She didn’t move to LA until she was 19, so she can’t be the young girl. I think she is Y though.
The madam is Cathy Black.
Summary:
Some bullshit about Hollywood madams, hope they all rot in hell. Degenerate scumbag rock star, hungry for young flesh, starts banging his son's teen prostitute girlfriend, doesn't even pay. Rock star's enabling rock star tramp, sensing competition, tries to tell teen whore to stop. Rock star, bored with being Eskimo brothers with son, starts pouring coal to different teen bimbo connected with bandmate. Rock star dies later. The End.
Its well dicumented that the intended target of Manson on the first murderous night was the previous tenant of the house - Terry Melcher, son of Doris Day and record producer. I believe he refused to record any manson songs.
So Sharon Tates mother was on board with this?
Not good
Thank you, we needed clarification.
HotHotHeat: He says he told Tex to take the gfirls to a rich neighborhood, like Melcher's. Tex, being a burned out moron, just took em to Melcher's house.
Dennis etc answers are correct but Tate couldn’t have been the young girl as two different timelines. Dennis started dating Mcvie in late 70’s we’ll after Tate was killed so Girl had to be around Dennis or son 79-82. Could the madam and or girl be linked to the Henley arrest blind ( Sdaly??). Links with Mcvie- Stevie Nicks- Buckingham from F Mac with that blind too. 🇬🇧
13 yo-Samantha Geimer- The girl Polanski was charged with raping in 1977. One thing that always bothered me about that deal, was how does a 13yo get to be at a sex party with those drugged out creeps. Maybe it never came out that she may have been an under age prostitute?
I don't let my 13yo boy out of my sight. Never even hired a babysitter for any of my kids. They go with us or spend time with grandparent. If I had a daughter, no fucking way!
Madam was explained and ID'd in the Blind rather oddly as Madam Alex who died in 1995 and even has an IMDB page.
This can’t possibly be Dennis Wilson and Sharon Tate. The dates don’t even remotely add up. Dennis was born in 1944, and Sharon in 1943. She was older than he was, and the blind clearly states R was much older than Y. Also, both of them would’ve been around 25-26 when the Manson Murders occurred, and the blind mentions R was well into his 30s.
My guess is John Phillips/Michelle Phillips for R and F
His oldest son Scott (who he adopted) is 56 right now. In 1983 when Dennis died he would have been 20/21 years old.
According to various sources Geimer testified that, “Polanski asked her mother, a model/actress, if he could photograph her daughter for his work with French Vogue. Her mother allowed a private photo shoot of her young daughter with Polanski.” I’m assuming the photo shoot wasn’t supervised by the mother, which sounds crazy today. But, it was 1977 and kids had a lot more freedom then.
However, imo, if the mother was paying attention she might have sensed something was wrong after the first photo shoot b/c Geimer also testified that, “She felt uncomfortable during the first session, in which she posed topless at Polanski's request. Initially, she did not wish to take part in a second session, but, relented and agreed to another shoot.” This shoot is when Polanski committed the crimes.
It works if Sharon isn't the young prostitute. She fits for Y. They are two different people, at least as I understand the blind
This doesn't fit Sharon Tate as the star that died. I'm sure we will never the full picture as to why Manson had that whole house murdered. And the famous director was apprehended way before the famous female keyboard player was even seen with the beach boy.
@Chase- it was in the record of the Polanski event that the girls mother was active and complicit in her being there. "To advance her career" as a stage mom, etc. But you're right, she may have been renting/exploiting her daughter more directly.
The Madam is Sydney Biddle Barrows: The Mayflower Madam.
Not going to happen. Only 10-15% of the story was true
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